Red Shirt leader announces nationwide mass rally on Jan 29

[kikoman]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

[tingtongteesood]

All ten supporters they have left hahahahaha.

[Yunla]

Colour-coded and irrelevant pre-election nonsense held as a permanent limbo-state. Abysmal post-election political industriousness and consensus-forming on issues of hard-infrastructure, anti-corruption and equality measures. Cycle continues. Don't see why that simple pre/post election anomaly is so hard to grasp. Its not who wears the shiny hat that matters, only that they work like pack-mules while they wear the stupid thing. Destabilisation, impoverishment and anarchy, unless resolved internally lead to the black night of 'humanitarian invasion' by sinister people who see all this bloodstained tragedy as another night out at the Casino.

[kikoman]

"Red Shirt leader announces nationwide mass rally on Jan 29"

But, but, but I thought "Under the emergency decree invoked on Wednesday, the caretaker government yesterday banned public gatherings of five or more people".

If you would have read the complete article it clearly states "all rallys would be held out side of the declared emergency zone"

Cheers

[JRSoul]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

Well you're alright Jack! Why worry that the taxpayers of Thailand have huge loans to pay off while they miss out on government services and infrastructure improvements, when you are getting your payments for over-priced crap that nobody wants to buy.

[ggold]

interesting she still believes the reds have a support base, recent evidence of turnouts would suggest otherwise

So why are the PAD-Dem's deathly afraid of an election?

Nuff said!

Because if the Dems had not resign and Suthep set up the PDRC the current situation would not have progressed as far as it has.

[kikoman]

Suthep had (6) million marchers at his rally !

Also the democrats received only (8) Million votes in the 2011 election. (5) million votes less then the winners PTP.

Bring on the election and may the best Woman win!

Cheers

Reasonable true .. but that was the LAST election BEFORE fxxking over 80% of their traditional electorate (rice farmers )

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We will see what happens on election day!

if you take off your yellow colored glasses you would have noticed that the old power structure has placed many legal huddles for the government to get money to pay the rice farmers. As my wifes family are all rice farmers, and yes they were upset with the governments failure to pay for their rice, Glad to say many at our village were paid for their rice crop, including the vast majority of our family!

But make no mistake the people know who made life better for then in the last 13 years, TRT,PPP,and PTP for providing affordable and quality health care for all citizens, village-managed micro credit funds, One tambon One product program, a 25% raise in the minimum wage and many other programs. The vast infrastructure improvement in the villages, paved roads, dams, that are visible to all in our rural area. The rice farmers were paid a great price for their rice,

People in the rural areas have seen a lot of progress in the last decade, due to the power of their vote!.

It isn't over till the pretty lady sings, "I won again"!

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Cheers

OK

I'll bite .. what legal hurdles?

Also might I ask what province do your family live in?

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In my last reply I entered the provence I live in, it is Nakhon Sawan,

The hurdles are well documented in the Thailand news section, as they own the banks in Thailand, they are not allowing the government to secure a loan, and are using their influence with the old power structure elite within the court system in an attempt to foil (the government floating a bond) or granting a loan within the government to pay off the rice farmers "before the election".

Cheers.

[allan michaud]

Didn't their last rally fizzle out? If people are saying Suthep doesn't have the numbers today, the reds seem to be in worse shape.

I get the distinct impression that the vast majority of Thai's are thoroughly sick and tired of the bullshit being throw by both sides. Neither seem capable of getting huge crowds and I don't think their real support (unpaid) is actually that good. Most people want change but both sides are simply becoming more extreme, making any intelligent debate almost impossible. I think most Thai's would celebrate if all the leaders (politicians and cronies in the police and military) on both sides were locked up and the keys thrown away.

Just as a side comment, I was in Khon Kaen just before Christmas and witnessed a procession of a couple of thousand (at most) red shirts driving around the town. Khon Kaen still seems very 'Red' generally, but talking to people and the wife's relatives, I got the impression Thaksin does not hold such widespread reverence as he once did.

[kikoman]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

Well you're alright Jack! Why worry that the taxpayers of Thailand have huge loans to pay off while they miss out on government services and infrastructure improvements, when you are getting your payments for over-priced crap that nobody wants to buy.

Well how the tune changes, when the shoe is on the other foot, most yellows were hoping that the farmers not be paid before the election!

How much of the huge loan you cry about is "effecting you" personally and how?

Don't give yourself a heart attack over something you have no say in, no right to vote for, aside from venting on the forum!

I can only give support and guidance to my family in backing their decision who will create a better life for them in Thailand, and their choice to vote for PTP!

That whom I care about, should I care what yellow Farangs think, H**l,No not in the least!

For your info, your assumptions that I am getting paid for rice is BS. I live well on my retirement income, our other family members are almost all rice farmers, except for the young that are not interested in rice farming!

Cheers

[smedly]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

glad you cleared that up - so the 180 billion baht is for themselves then since all the rice farmers have been paid

[smedly]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

Well you're alright Jack! Why worry that the taxpayers of Thailand have huge loans to pay off while they miss out on government services and infrastructure improvements, when you are getting your payments for over-priced crap that nobody wants to buy.

Well how the tune changes, when the shoe is on the other foot, most yellows were hoping that the farmers not be paid before the election!

How much of the huge loan you cry about is "effecting you" personally and how?

Don't give yourself a heart attack over something you have no say in, no right to vote for, aside from venting on the forum!

I can only give support and guidance to my family in backing their decision who will create a better life for them in Thailand, and their choice to vote for PTP!

That whom I care about, should I care what yellow Farangs think, H**l,No not in the least!

For your info, your assumptions that I am getting paid for rice is BS. I live well on my retirement income, our other family members are almost all rice farmers, except for the young that are not interested in rice farming!

Cheers

what are yellows ?

[Larry001]

I read in apost above someone describing Suthep as a thug. Could not agree more. He is putting so many people out of work and abx solutely ruining this beautiful country. He is a selfish thug as are many others who support him.

[Jonmarleesco]

"The current situation is like (we) are waiting for a coup as the army has clearly stated that they will intervene if any violence occurs ..." The army waited for weeks to move, during in 2010, and then only to finally bring things under control. The only reason to think there might eventually be yet another coup is down to the government's arrogance and intransigence, which led to the current round of demonstrations in the first place.

Still, the decree might prove to have one advantage, if the Redshirts really do decide to play safe and stay away from Bangkok.

[Jonmarleesco]

I read in apost above someone describing Suthep as a thug. Could not agree more. He is putting so many people out of work and abx solutely ruining this beautiful country. He is a selfish thug as are many others who support him.

And the Redshirt leaders wear wings and a halo, do they?

[Old Man River]

So the pdrc are in BKK and the south, the rice farmers are all over the center and in some parts of the north and northeast protesting against the Govt and now the reds are going to come out with their main support base the farmers........oh hang on.

All they will have is the urban reds and the few farmers who have been paid, but then again even the ones who have been paid will either be busy using the money they got to arrange another crop or will have sympathy for those who have not been paid.

This could well be the reds way to start violence in order to try to get the army to stage a coup.

A last desperate effort by Thaksin who may see starting a war as the only way he has a chance of coming back the great hero and peacemaker.

Robby, the RS's have a distinct advantage and Thida is well aware. Their rallies will be in the parts of Thailand that the SOE doesn't cover (and in the article, Thida mentioned this).

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[Jonmarleesco]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

Well you're alright Jack! Why worry that the taxpayers of Thailand have huge loans to pay off while they miss out on government services and infrastructure improvements, when you are getting your payments for over-priced crap that nobody wants to buy.

Well how the tune changes, when the shoe is on the other foot, most yellows were hoping that the farmers not be paid before the election!

How much of the huge loan you cry about is "effecting you" personally and how?

Don't give yourself a heart attack over something you have no say in, no right to vote for, aside from venting on the forum!

I can only give support and guidance to my family in backing their decision who will create a better life for them in Thailand, and their choice to vote for PTP!

That whom I care about, should I care what yellow Farangs think, H**l,No not in the least!

For your info, your assumptions that I am getting paid for rice is BS. I live well on my retirement income, our other family members are almost all rice farmers, except for the young that are not interested in rice farming!

Cheers

Well, you obviously have a vested interest in the rice scam. Bear in mind that the taxpayers funding it do include foreign workers.

[fullcave]

"Red Shirt leader announces nationwide mass rally on Jan 29"

But, but, but I thought "Under the emergency decree invoked on Wednesday, the caretaker government yesterday banned public gatherings of five or more people".

I don’t think that’ll be a problem..

[smedly]

I read in apost above someone describing Suthep as a thug. Could not agree more. He is putting so many people out of work and abx solutely ruining this beautiful country. He is a selfish thug as are many others who support him.

and how would you describe PTP and Thaksin ?

[casualbiker]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

Kikoman. Have you or your extended Thai family actually thought about what will happen WHEN the rice pledging scheme finishes and Thailand has an estimated 18 million ton deficit in stock to clear.. bearing in mind that rice farmers grow approximately 7-8 million ton per harvest. Of which in the old pre pledging era the (elitist )rice exporters managed to export 7-8 million ton.

Now that's down to maybe 4-5 mill..

If I were them I would be taking the time while together to formulate plans for the future .. co-ops etc.

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[Crushdepth]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Sadly, they work for someone else.

[tezzainoz]

"The current situation is like (we) are waiting for a coup as the army has clearly stated that they will intervene if any violence occurs," said the UDD leader.

So by demonstrating ourselves we will hurry this along and make sure violence will occur

*SIGH*

Rubbish! The UDD and associated Red Shirts are peace loving citizens anxious to avoid confrontation with the vicious, yellow thugs led by Suthep.

I agree

te red shirts are ready to come out with their dolls and wave them at to yellow shirt thugs

as they are all based on Lao culture they will of coarse be Vodoo dolls

[KOZMO]

"The current situation is like (we) are waiting for a coup as the army has clearly stated that they will intervene if any violence occurs," said the UDD leader.

So by demonstrating ourselves we will hurry this along and make sure violence will occur

*SIGH*

Rubbish! The UDD and associated Red Shirts are peace loving citizens anxious to avoid confrontation with the vicious, yellow thugs led by Suthep.

Boy!!!!! You sure are a dreamer!!!! Red shirts were very peaceful in Bangkok last time, right???? No burning malls, throwing people out of hospitals, shooting guns and throwing both grenades and molotov cocktails. Very peace loving!!!!!

[Thaiready]

I find that Democrates are thick headed no matter where their from.....you think that people from Bangkok are the only ones entitled to a vote.....Let me assure you,you will lose the vote.....maybe these thick-headed farmers should quit feeding your sorry butts...

[Ricardo]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

I'm glad that your relatives finally got paid, but what about the many other farmers, who are still waiting after up to five months, don't they count too ?

You say that "the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government", while I agree that they have had legal/constitutional-problems in borrowing more after PM-Yingluck called an election, how do you explain the defaults & non-payment for 2-3 months prior to that ?

And you say the government needed "a loan to pay the farmers for their rice", but surely some of the payment for rice-pledging was supposed to come also from rice-sales, would you agree that their record on selling stocks has been poor over the past couple-of-years, which also accounts for part of the build-up of excessive stocks ?

How is that poor sales-record over two-and-a-half years attributable, to "the Elite ex ruling class", rather than the governments' own inability to sell the rice on ?

Next I'd point out that large, and growing, loans have been needed to pay for the scheme's losses, and the growing rice-mountain. Those loans will eventually need to be paid back with interest, would you agree that it's perhaps worrying, that no provision appears to have yet been made for this, in the government's spending/tax-plans ?

Lastly many feel that the scheme has done long-term damage to the reputation of Thai rice, and to long-established export-relationships, such that Thailand has lost its former number-1 position in rice-exports to India & Vietnam. Do your family, and other local farmers, worry about this, and understand the long-term damage done to the industry they make their living off ?

And do they also blame this on "the ex Elite ruling class", if so why, and what's the source of their information ?

Edited January 24, 2014 by Ricardo

[Ricardo]

OK

I'll bite .. what legal hurdles?

Also might I ask what province do your family live in?

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In my last reply I entered the provence I live in, it is Nakhon Sawan,

The hurdles are well documented in the Thailand news section, as they own the banks in Thailand, they are not allowing the government to secure a loan, and are using their influence with the old power structure elite within the court system in an attempt to foil (the government floating a bond) or granting a loan within the government to pay off the rice farmers "before the election".

Cheers.

Just to point out that the main bank, which the government has permitted to raise its' borrowing to cover payments, is the BAAC ... which of course is government-owned, not privately-owned at all.

In effect the government votes to permit their own bank to borrow more, as the rice-scheme debt & losses mount, rather than drawing the extra money from within their own budget.

If continued for long enough, this can lead to a loss-of-confidence in the government's finances, and a run on BAAC and other government-backed banks too.

And it's an unfortunate fact that, as I occasionally have to remind Mrs-Ricardo , loans eventually have to be repaid, with interest.

[rubl]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

I'm glad that your relatives finally got paid, but what about the many other farmers, who are still waiting after up to five months, don't they count too ?

You say that "the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government", while I agree that they have had legal/constitutional-problems in borrowing more after PM-Yingluck called an election, how do you explain the defaults & non-payment for 2-3 months prior to that ?

And you say the government needed "a loan to pay the farmers for their rice", but surely some of the payment for rice-pledging was supposed to come also from rice-sales, would you agree that their record on selling stocks has been poor over the past couple-of-years, which also accounts for part of the build-up of excessive stocks ?

How is that poor sales-record over two-and-a-half years attributable, to "the Elite ex ruling class", rather than the governments' own inability to sell the rice on ?

Next I'd point out that large, and growing, loans have been needed to pay for the scheme's losses, and the growing rice-mountain. Those loans will eventually need to be paid back with interest, would you agree that it's perhaps worrying, that no provision appears to have yet been made for this, in the government's spending/tax-plans ?

Lastly many feel that the scheme has done long-term damage to the reputation of Thai rice, and to long-established export-relationships, such that Thailand has lost its former number-1 position in rice-exports to India & Vietnam. Do your family, and other local farmers, worry about this, and understand the long-term damage done to the industry they make their living off ?

And do they also blame this on "the ex Elite ruling class", if so why, and what's the source of their information ?

The interesting part is the suggestion that the government managed to secure a loan to pay the farmers. I thought that the caretaker government was still trying. If so, how could they have paid a few in Nakhon Sawan, which btw is part of the Central Region where farmers are protesting.

[whybother]

Suthep had (6) million marchers at his rally !

Also the democrats received only (8) Million votes in the 2011 election. (5) million votes less then the winners PTP.

Bring on the election and may the best Woman win!

Cheers

Parties Constituency Proportional TOTAL

Votes % Seats Votes % Seats Seats %

Pheu Thai 12,211,604 44.3 204 15,744,190 48.41 61 265 53.0%

Democrat 8,907,140 32.3 115 11,433,762 35.15 44 159 31.8%

Finally got you to do some research, your may not be a total loss.

My figures are different, but no matter how you look at it it was a "landslide victory for PTP."

PTP- 48.41% Democrats-35,15%

Seats won 263 162

Seat gain +78 -14

Total seats won per region

Bangkok 10 23

Central 41 25

South 0 50

North 49 I3

Issan 103 5

Party list 61 44

It is quite clear where the bulk of the population resides and where the political voting power is,

Bangkok and the South total 83 seats, the Isaan alone has 108!

Cheers

Which is why Thaksin decided to buy the political parties in Isaan.

[whybother]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

You do understand that care-taker governments aren't entitled to put the next government into more debt, don't you?

[kikoman]

Causal Biker and Ricardo,

The price Private Exporters quoted for Thai rice ,with 5% broken rice was for $540 a ton, which is about $150-$175. a ton higher than the same grade rice from India, Pakistan and Vietnam! our family sold their rice for ($353.84) 11,000 baht a ton

So our family were paid 354,00 a ton,for rice that was sold by "private exporters" for $540.00 a ton (187.00 more) than what the farmers are paid for producing that rice, Subtract the $150-$175, that Thai rice is being undersold by India, Pakistan and Vietnam and you will come up with a lower price then Thai rice is being undersold on the open market,

Ricardo asked how the Rich elite fit in to the Rice program they are the private exporters.

It is not the farmers that are getting rich selling Thai rice!

Cheers

Edited January 24, 2014 by kikoman

[kikoman]

Shouldn't Khun Thida, and her fellow sub-leaders at the UDD, be campaigning in support of the poor unpaid rice-farmers, cheated by the government running-defaults & failed promises-to-pay ?

Our Family Rice Farmers about 20 families in the Nakhon Sawan area, most of them were paid for their rice earlier this week, The problems effecting the rice payments were the Elite ex ruling class attempted to foil the government securing a loan to pay the farmers for their rice!

Cheers

You do understand that care-taker governments aren't entitled to put the next government into more debt, don't you?

I read that the same place you did!

The Caretaker government can borrow money, that has to be approved by the E.C., which the EC has already denied the governments request for a loan, now they have gone in with a second request.

It is not the government that has failed to pay the farmers it is the E.C. Plain and simple!

Cheers