Bullets hit Suthin from two direction, autopsy reveals

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AFTERMATH
Bullets hit Suthin from two direction, autopsy reveals


File photo : Sutin

BANGKOK: -- An autopsy on the late protest leader Suthin Taratin has revealed that shots were fired at him from two directions with the fatal bullet piercing the right side of his neck and exiting through the left ear, a leading forensic examiner said Monday.

Khunying Dr Porntip Rojanasunan, Justice Ministry inspector general, was speaking after performing an autopsy on Suthin, a leader of People's Army to Overthrow the Thaksin Regime, who was killed on Sunday while leading a rally at an advance polling station in Bang Na district.

Porntip performed the autopsy at the relatives’ request. National Human Right Commissioner Dr Niran Pitakwatchara also attended the autopsy at Ramathibodi Hospital.

It has not been possible to determine the bullet type or gun because the bullet exited without leaving a trace. Suthin sustained four marks from two gunshots, one in the armpit and one in the neck, Porntip said. The reports on the vehicle examination and on wounds sustained by injured protesters would need to be examined for clarity.

The NHRC would hold discussions with Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) representatives on January 29 about the people's right to protection, Niran added.

-- The Nation 2014-01-27

[Dogmatix]

I thought pathologists could at least form a view of what kind of gun and ammunition was used from the type of wounds inflicted. A high velocity rifle bullet has a very different trajectory from a pistol round and is more likely to exit at sufficient velocity to be hard to find. An AK-47 bullet trajectory is also different from an M16's but less so at very close range when the difference in tumbling is not so distinct.

I remember a lot of nonsense about this though in the to-ing nad fro-ing of pathologists with different agendas regarding the red shirt deaths in 2010 when a lot of effort went into trying to prove they were killed by M16s, as carried by the army, after the change of government, even though there were YouTube clips of MIB also firing M16s.

Pornthip doesn't have quite the credibility she once had, since she endorsed the use of plastic dousing rods with nothing inside them for detecting explosives.

[noikrit]

I think this one will be "swept under the carpet" just like the other assaults .......

[coma]

I thought pathologists could at least form a view of what kind of gun and ammunition was used from the type of wounds inflicted. A high velocity rifle bullet has a very different trajectory from a pistol round and is more likely to exit at sufficient velocity to be hard to find. An AK-47 bullet trajectory is also different from an M16's but less so at very close range when the difference in tumbling is not so distinct.

I remember a lot of nonsense about this though in the to-ing nad fro-ing of pathologists with different agendas regarding the red shirt deaths in 2010 when a lot of effort went into trying to prove they were killed by M16s, as carried by the army, after the change of government, even though there were YouTube clips of MIB also firing M16s.

Pornthip doesn't have quite the credibility she once had, since she endorsed the use of plastic dousing rods with nothing inside them for detecting explosives.

Two entry and two exit wounds. Nobody has seen any gunman. It is safe to say he was killed from a high powered rifle/s from distance. Watching the footage with sound, there is a good delay between report and stike which adds weight to a sniper style attack.

[h90]

I thought pathologists could at least form a view of what kind of gun and ammunition was used from the type of wounds inflicted. A high velocity rifle bullet has a very different trajectory from a pistol round and is more likely to exit at sufficient velocity to be hard to find. An AK-47 bullet trajectory is also different from an M16's but less so at very close range when the difference in tumbling is not so distinct.

I remember a lot of nonsense about this though in the to-ing nad fro-ing of pathologists with different agendas regarding the red shirt deaths in 2010 when a lot of effort went into trying to prove they were killed by M16s, as carried by the army, after the change of government, even though there were YouTube clips of MIB also firing M16s.

Pornthip doesn't have quite the credibility she once had, since she endorsed the use of plastic dousing rods with nothing inside them for detecting explosives.

and the bullets must be somewhere to find.....

[Tatsujin]

PDRC are saying it was snipers, correct?

[fab4]

Pornthip Rojanasunand...................

Pornthip's four-year term as CIFS Director expired in April 2012, and her term was extended for one year until April 2013. Yingluck Shinawatra's Council of Ministers decided not to give any further extension and removed her from the office in May 2013. Pornthip was given the position of Inspector General of the Ministry of Justice instead. Pornthip herself believed that the removal was motivated by politics, saying that some politicians might have been upset with her work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand

[chiang mai]

She's one of the very good guys.

[soi41]

From two directions??

I thought Suthep said they came from Cambodia!!

[ChrisY1]

Actually, I thought she got sacked 2 years ago for the bomb detector fraud....but anyway.....ok..Here's a bullet hole in this is where it came out.....oh sh**t!...here's another hole....and here's where this one came out....

Sherlock would have been amazed at the brilliance!

[blackman]

2 shots

2 directions

orchestrated ambush

who paid?

[chiang mai]

Actually, I thought she got sacked 2 years ago for the bomb detector fraud....but anyway.....ok..Here's a bullet hole in this is where it came out.....oh sh**t!...here's another hole....and here's where this one came out....

Sherlock would have been amazed at the brilliance!

She fell out of favour as a result of her unwillingness to compromise professionally, the bomb detector case is something else entirely, given the degree to which the UK governement was implicated in the case, nasty stuff.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/26/fraudster-paid-government-promote-fake-bomb-detectors

Edited January 27, 2014 by chiang mai

[firestar]

Pornthip Rojanasunand...................

Pornthip's four-year term as CIFS Director expired in April 2012, and her term was extended for one year until April 2013. Yingluck Shinawatra's Council of Ministers decided not to give any further extension and removed her from the office in May 2013. Pornthip was given the position of Inspector General of the Ministry of Justice instead. Pornthip herself believed that the removal was motivated by politics, saying that some politicians might have been upset with her work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand

The good doctor relaxing with friends..

Edited January 27, 2014 by firestar

[kimamey]

I can't profess any knowledge of ballistics but if the entry wound was on the right of the neck and the exit wound at the left ear doesn't that suggest the shots were fired from below rather than rooftops as I heard mentioned elsewhere?

[ginjag]

Sounds like similar weapon and ammo. What if it was only one sniper telescopic sight, first shot hit---the victim twisted and the second one struck.

Could that it came from the same gun and same direction. ??? because the autopsy said the bullets entered from different directions--- but as I say if the victim turned after the first shot. well just another thought rather than accept the quick report. Would they have considered this or do they want all to think it was more than one marksman.

Just want to put it in another way, if from different directions did the 2 gunmen phone each other to say shoot NOW.??? some thing wrong. my take as a football referee.

[ratcatcher]

Pornthip Rojanasunand...................

Pornthip's four-year term as CIFS Director expired in April 2012, and her term was extended for one year until April 2013. Yingluck Shinawatra's Council of Ministers decided not to give any further extension and removed her from the office in May 2013. Pornthip was given the position of Inspector General of the Ministry of Justice instead. Pornthip herself believed that the removal was motivated by politics, saying that some politicians might have been upset with her work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornthip_Rojanasunand

The good doctor relaxing with friends...

I get by with a little hug from my friends.

Edited January 27, 2014 by ratcatcher

[jaidam]

knowledge gleaned from at least 3 series of NCIS together with sporadic CSI Miami episodes, I can conclude that this poor chap was assassinated. How many Dirhams it cost might take a while to know.

[Prbkk]

Actually, I thought she got sacked 2 years ago for the bomb detector fraud....but anyway.....ok..Here's a bullet hole in this is where it came out.....oh sh**t!...here's another hole....and here's where this one came out....

Sherlock would have been amazed at the brilliance!

Correct....she is a charlatan and a disgrace to the scientific community. While she can be admired for the guts she showed over some of the drug campaign deaths, she has zero scientific credibility after the GT2000 disgrace. She made Thailand a laughing stock over that issue. Stick to your media work and crime shows....

[ginjag]

I can't profess any knowledge of ballistics but if the entry wound was on the right of the neck and the exit wound at the left ear doesn't that suggest the shots were fired from below rather than rooftops as I heard mentioned elsewhere?

Doesn't sound like a 40 degree angle to me, as you say very odd. So again something wrong here.

[chiang mai]

Actually, I thought she got sacked 2 years ago for the bomb detector fraud....but anyway.....ok..Here's a bullet hole in this is where it came out.....oh sh**t!...here's another hole....and here's where this one came out....

Sherlock would have been amazed at the brilliance!

Correct....she is a charlatan and a disgrace to the scientific community. While she can be admired for the guts she showed over some of the drug campaign deaths, she has zero scientific credibility after the GT2000 disgrace. She made Thailand a laughing stock over that issue. Stick to your media work and crime shows....

Read the link in post 12 and remember she's a pathologist!

Edited January 27, 2014 by chiang mai

[Somtamnication]

Ok, so it was a Cambodian with two hands...

[Artisi]

Two bullet holes, must have been an accident, no way it could have been an organised murder.

[animatic]

I thought pathologists could at least form a view of what kind of gun and ammunition was used from the type of wounds inflicted. A high velocity rifle bullet has a very different trajectory from a pistol round and is more likely to exit at sufficient velocity to be hard to find. An AK-47 bullet trajectory is also different from an M16's but less so at very close range when the difference in tumbling is not so distinct.

I remember a lot of nonsense about this though in the to-ing nad fro-ing of pathologists with different agendas regarding the red shirt deaths in 2010 when a lot of effort went into trying to prove they were killed by M16s, as carried by the army, after the change of government, even though there were YouTube clips of MIB also firing M16s.

Pornthip doesn't have quite the credibility she once had, since she endorsed the use of plastic dousing rods with nothing inside them for detecting explosives.

Two entry and two exit wounds. Nobody has seen any gunman. It is safe to say he was killed from a high powered rifle/s from distance. Watching the footage with sound, there is a good delay between report and stike which adds weight to a sniper style attack.

In both cases they state the entry wounds are low and exit high. Indicating he was shot by someone lower than he was. As in standing on the street with him in a truck. Now as to 2 shooters, It is also entirely possible he turn when hit by shot one and got hit from an different angle by shot two, in either case low entry and high exit.

[ginjag]

I thought pathologists could at least form a view of what kind of gun and ammunition was used from the type of wounds inflicted. A high velocity rifle bullet has a very different trajectory from a pistol round and is more likely to exit at sufficient velocity to be hard to find. An AK-47 bullet trajectory is also different from an M16's but less so at very close range when the difference in tumbling is not so distinct.

I remember a lot of nonsense about this though in the to-ing nad fro-ing of pathologists with different agendas regarding the red shirt deaths in 2010 when a lot of effort went into trying to prove they were killed by M16s, as carried by the army, after the change of government, even though there were YouTube clips of MIB also firing M16s.

Pornthip doesn't have quite the credibility she once had, since she endorsed the use of plastic dousing rods with nothing inside them for detecting explosives.

Two entry and two exit wounds. Nobody has seen any gunman. It is safe to say he was killed from a high powered rifle/s from distance. Watching the footage with sound, there is a good delay between report and stike which adds weight to a sniper style attack.

In both cases they state the entry wounds are low and exit high. Indicating he was shot by someone lower than he was. As in standing on the street with him in a truck. Now as to 2 shooters, It is also entirely possible he turn when hit by shot one and got hit from an different angle by shot two, in either case low entry and high exit.

You must have read my post. OR we think alike.

[bigbamboo]

Has anyone looked behind the grassy knoll?

[kimamey]

Sounds like similar weapon and ammo. What if it was only one sniper telescopic sight, first shot hit---the victim twisted and the second one struck.

Could that it came from the same gun and same direction. ??? because the autopsy said the bullets entered from different directions--- but as I say if the victim turned after the first shot. well just another thought rather than accept the quick report. Would they have considered this or do they want all to think it was more than one marksman.

Just want to put it in another way, if from different directions did the 2 gunmen phone each other to say shoot NOW.??? some thing wrong. my take as a football referee.

I did think that myself but I ended up thinking that victims getting thrown back or twisted around by bullet impact is something done on TV and films for dramatic effect but as I said I don't really know.

You must let me know next time you're officiating at a match. I'd love to watch it. So long as it's on TV of course. Sounds a bit hairy to me.

[Fat Haggis]

<deleted> if he was shot by a sniper, you'd have heard the crack on the video!!

The nature of the wound, the fatal wound suggests it was fire in an UPWARDS angle, not from a rooftop

Edited January 27, 2014 by Fat Haggis

[tomyummer]

As mentioned in another thread, Suthin was surgically taken out because of his scrutiny of Thaksin's involvement with PTT. He had too much inside information about the corrupt dealings inside the energy industry. This was a great opportunity to take him out making it look protest related.

[PeVee1st]

First, let me say that I find it disgusting that the people of Thailand do not care that anyone can be assasinated in public by trained members of a foreign countries military force.

Regardless, of what Suthin was doing, whether legal or not, you do not kill people this way.

Oh, I forgot TS did it before to get rid of the drug problem in the south!!!!

Anyway, back to the issue, I think he was assasinated at close quarters by a hit squad using pistols and silencers while he was above them in the pick up.

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[Basil B]

2 shots

2 directions

orchestrated ambush

who paid?

Not a lone psycho...

Paid assassins, Paid UED dollars???

Edited January 27, 2014 by Basil B