Jatuporn new UDD chief

[Morch]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties.

Except the UDD aren't a political party are they. They are just the activist arm of the Phua Thai party.

The sooner the real RED grassroots Issan people understand that the better.

None of the main UDD leadership are even from Issan.

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The Dems leader is from Newcastle, UK, so what?

The Democrat party doesn't go on about the tyranny of the London Elite and Southern England.

There are red shirts all over the country, sure. But their power base is the North and North East.

Considering that they use Bangkok Elite, Southerners to tag the other side - it is a bit surprising that quite a few, if not most, of the leadership hail from the South (not saying there aren't red shirts in the south, but obviously not the majority of the movement).

[ianf]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Yes, probably democratically red style.

I welcome his appointment as it's just what UDD need, a reasonable, level headed and well adjusted leader.

Jaturporn was the main speaker at last week's meeting of red shirts, Convention Centre, Chiang Mai. There are some homes nearby and one of them is owned by a very nice older English person who has been here many years. He has an intelligent half-Thai son. The son told me of some of the contents of the main speeches. They all called for violence. They were doing their best to whip up hysteria and name-calling people who were opposed to their views. There was no element of discussion, information, truth or policy within these speeches: rather, they were emotionally manipulative (just as Hitler instructed in Mein Kampf). This follows the same level of dishonest and violent intensity as we heard in Bangkok during the red occupation. I am sorry but if these people were there because they want 'democracy' they didn't show it, they didn't talk about it. It was not on the agenda. But violence and attack was written all over it. The red propagandists who post here cannot under any circumstances defend this activity. It was designed to create hatred and nothing more. This is how Jaturporn directs things on behalf of his chief. This is why Thailand is in such a mess. It is very very dangerous.

[kimamey]

Sale on fire extinguishers next week..

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I presume you are relating to events of 4 years ago when some people, reacting to the army killing civilians, took matters into their own hands and set fire to some buildings in Bangkok - and you are inferring that these events will happen again?

Let's go along with your little fantasy, shall we. If that was the case surely the prices of fire extinguishers would increase due to the perceived risk, they wouldn't be at "sale prices" would they?

See, if you want to write posts that appeal to the gallery and attract the likees, you need to think them through first.

Weren't the threats from the red shirt stages to burn Bangkok made before the killings. This is an honest question as there may have been deaths before that. Whether that makes their actions any more understandable is another question.

I'll ask you as you seem to have some grasp of the facts unlike many on here.

Well for a start, there were not continual threats to turn Bangkok into a modern day Dresden despite the hyperbole on these pages and elsewhere. There were two speeches, one by Nattawu Saikua on the 19th May in response to a perceived coup d'etat

Nattawut Saikua, UDD Secretary-General, said on the red-shirt stage on May 19, “If you gain control, we will burn places all over Thailand”.

(Cheers)

He said further, “Brothers and sisters, you go to burn down, I will be responsible for it myself.”

(Cheers and claps).

“Anyone who want to arrest us, come to me.”

“If you set up coup d’etat, (we will) burn down!”

http://realthai.wordpress.com/2010/05/20/udd-leader-burn-the-countr/

The second, (in reality the first, timewise), was the speech by Arisman in January 2010

"Fellow Thais, for the next time [we protest], if you know that we will crackdown, there is no need to prepare a lot. Just bring one bottle each. Then fill it with oil so it is filled to 75cc-1 litre. If there are one million of us in Bangkok, there will be one million litres. I guarantee you that Bangkok will be a sea of fire for sure. The way the red shirts will fight back/respond is simple like this. We need to tell the military, tell the military dogs who are serving the aristocrats so that know that if you injure the red shirts with just one drop of blood then Bangkok will be a sea of fire.”

It was typical Arisman hot head rhetoric, threatening the army if they attacked the red shirts (and we all know what happened). Still, a stretch of the imagination that a "fiery" speech in January was the definitive reason for the events of the 19th May and nothing at all to do with the immense frustration certain people felt after seeing their colleagues shot down around them for the past two months (yes, I know, not all innocent).

However, I understand that reading through the more colourful posts in this forum could lead one to believe events happened, "differently".

Fair enough. It looks like at least one of those was after deaths occurred.

[bendejo]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Yeah, the boss gave him the job, that's as democratic as it gets with those guys.

[kimamey]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

In your constant postings about the anti government protesters and the elected government you forget to mention that a lot of those who have protested seem to be mainly concerned with two things.

Firstly corruption. Now there may be corruption on both sides but that doesn't mean something shouldn't be done about it.

Secondly they don't like Thaksin's perceived influence over the government. You only have to look at who was PM to see there might be some truth in those rumours. You will know of course exactly how many votes Thaksin got in the last completed election and why he got that many.

There are many problems in this country and the impression that the courts and independent agencies are biased against PTP and their supporters is certainly amongst them. PTP's only response to that seems to be making the DSI biased in their favour. To be fair to them they have been very busy trying to get an amnesty.

Edited March 16, 2014 by kimamey

[billd766]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties.

Exactly the same way that the PTP elected Yingluck as PM. One man, one vote. Only Thaksin voted, the rest said, yessir, anything you say sir. After all YOU are the boss.

[smedly]

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The red shirt organization is showing its changing focus by appointing two of its worst violent pit bulls in Jatuporn as their new Chairman and Nattawut as their new Secretary-General.

Even rougher times ahead for the country with these maniacs at the controls.

Last time those two were in charge they vowed to fight to the last drop of (someone elses ) blood.

When it came down to it their hands were in the air so quick they almost dislocated their shoulders, bullies and cowards.

Search characteristics of bullies and you'll find these two exhibit them all.

• Have a need to control and dominate others
• Refuse to take responsibility or deny any wrong doing
• Blame the target or say they deserved what they got
• Good at talking their way out of situations
• Intolerant of differences
• Feel superior
• Lack empathy

sounds like the PTP cabinet

[BLUENILE]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Thailand: “Mass” Pro-Government Rally is a Mass Flop (nsnbc international excerpts, 15 Mar. 2014)

Read the full article at: http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/15/thailand-mass-pro-government-rally-mass-flop/

[Mentors]

Jatuporn - No wonder the red shirts are divided since some weeks

[Fryslan boppe]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Yes, probably democratically red style.

I welcome his appointment as it's just what UDD need, a reasonable, level headed and well adjusted leader.

Jaturporn was the main speaker at last week's meeting of red shirts, Convention Centre, Chiang Mai. There are some homes nearby and one of them is owned by a very nice older English person who has been here many years. He has an intelligent half-Thai son. The son told me of some of the contents of the main speeches. They all called for violence. They were doing their best to whip up hysteria and name-calling people who were opposed to their views. There was no element of discussion, information, truth or policy within these speeches: rather, they were emotionally manipulative (just as Hitler instructed in Mein Kampf). This follows the same level of dishonest and violent intensity as we heard in Bangkok during the red occupation. I am sorry but if these people were there because they want 'democracy' they didn't show it, they didn't talk about it. It was not on the agenda. But violence and attack was written all over it. The red propagandists who post here cannot under any circumstances defend this activity. It was designed to create hatred and nothing more. This is how Jaturporn directs things on behalf of his chief. This is why Thailand is in such a mess. It is very very dangerous.

All of that anti-UDD vitriol as a result of an intelligent half-Thai son living nearby, supposedly overhearing some contents of a speech.....Really?

A little like some Posts, quoting detached comments from a Thai wife, and then descending into similar anti-UDD venom and contempt. Basically trying to enhance validity of that opinion, by attributing it to someone else with more credibility supposedly..

Agenda, all of it...And when agenda walks in the door, common sense walks out.

Obviously such virulent disdain in above quote, attributing all sorts of horrendous innuendo to the leader of a pro-Democracy Movement, implies anti-democratic impulses. This in the face of a concerted anti-Democracy drive by Political entities unable to win Democratic elections, and seeking to avoid a Parliament in which they have been relegated to a minority status..

It is the only conclusion one can draw, when faced with such strong opinions about a Movement seeking to protect an elected Govt. over against anti-electoral and Parliamentary forces.

Rhetoric including charges of violence, whipping up hysteria, untruthfulness, emotionally manipulative, Mein kampf, dishonesty, calling anti-coup and pro-electoral protests "a red Occupation", etc, etc, by extension implies considerable disrespect for the majority Thai electorate. An electorate substantially behind this Pro-Democracy Movement and its' leader. Either one takes these comments seriously and condemns the Thai electorate, or vice-versa.

A serious disconnect that can only be attributed to "agenda over reality"

Edited March 16, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[Rich teacher]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

[ShannonT]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Sounds like he wasn't and that he was appointed...something the redshirts have been fighting against.

Oh well, they've also been supposedly fighting to end double standards and double standards is something they continually do themselves.

Has Suthep been elected by the people of Thailand to lead the so-called "reforms" for the entire nation?

He also claims to fight for "Democracy" but wants an unelected people's council to rule Thailand.

Has Abhisit been elected leader of the Democrat party? Or has he been "appointed"?

Next time think before asking stupid questions, please.

[dcutman]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

Your third attempt posting the same thing and still nobody impressed. Keep trying.

[djjamie]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Sounds like he wasn't and that he was appointed...something the redshirts have been fighting against.

Oh well, they've also been supposedly fighting to end double standards and double standards is something they continually do themselves.

Has Suthep been elected by the people of Thailand to lead the so-called "reforms" for the entire nation?

He also claims to fight for "Democracy" but wants an unelected people's council to rule Thailand.

Has Abhisit been elected leader of the Democrat party? Or has he been "appointed"?

Next time think before asking stupid questions, please.

Whether it's a stupid question or not does not divert from the fact at your inability to answer it, but AGAIN signifies your inability to defend the party you believe adheres to all the principles of democracy by comparing them to another group that purportedly don't adhere to democracy.

So I am perplexed by your statement? Do you agree the UDD are not democratic or conversely have you extrapolated that from your empirical evidence provided; That by the similar actions of others the UDD are democratic?

If a reply is forthcoming I thank you in advance for it not to include you belittling me, demonizing me, insulting me or a default back to any other of your predictable responses that do not address the root question or statement of the poster.

[kingalfred]

Lunatics running the UDD asylum officially now.makes it all clean and tidy...oops I mean dirty and violent.

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[Fryslan boppe]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

Your third attempt posting the same thing and still nobody impressed. Keep trying.

Focussing on the message instead of the messenger is always more fun I think, but can be problematic when one cannot assail the message.

[MGP]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Dear camarada Fryslan,

You make a lot of use of the word "elites". First of all, it would be very interesting if you could define exactly who are those "elites". Are you thinking about unpaid rice farmers?, middle class tax-payers?, students?, simple and ordinary people disgusted with corruption and abuse of power?, rubber farmers? Entrepreneurs? Investors? big business owners? small business owners? Army or Police Special Elites?... Who are you thinking about?? And second: please, give us an example of a country that you love where there are no such "elites" that you dislike. Perhaps North Korea?

Thank You

Edited March 16, 2014 by MGP

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Jatuporn to become new UDD leader

AYUTTHAYA: -- Jatuporn Prompan was named the new chairman of the redshirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

Announcing the appointment by UDD chairwoman Mrs Thida Thawornseth in front of some 6,000 redshirt demonstrators in Ayutthaya Saturday night, she said Jatuporn will become the new chairman of UDD amid cheers and applause by supporters.

She also announced the appointment of Nattawut Saikur as UDD secretary-general.

Small fireworks was then set off to congratulate their appointments.

Nattawut, also caretaker deputy commerce minister, the UDD will watch the move of the seven independent agencies offered as mediator in the conflict and set guidelines for the country to move forward.

UDD will see to it if the guidelines were within the framework of the Constitution.

He said the redshirts would continue nationwide rallies in other provinces to flex its muscles but would avoid confrontation with the PDRC demonstrators .

He also said by now UDD hoped that the military would not stage a coup as it would be condemned by world communities and the UN, as Thai people also would oppose it.

He said the UDD stand firm to protect and uphold democracy.

Commenting on the UDD new leaderships, Suthep Thagsusuban, secretary-general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said he anticipated escalation of the situation as both Jatuporn and Nattawut have records of preference for violence, citing the bloody riot in 2010 when both incited redshirts to burn Central World, and government offices nationwide.
Suthep also rejected to join negotiation if the UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon accepts invitation by Foreign Minister Suraspong Tovichakchaikul to be a mediator to resolve the conflicts.

The conflict is the internal affairs of Thailand and that Ban should keep off even Surapong has confirmed sending invitation to Ban already.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/jatuporn-become-new-udd-leader/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jatuporn-become-new-udd-leader

-- Thai PBS 2014-03-16

Quiz time ; who do you think ordered suggested, appointed these new 'office holders'?

[dcutman]

Can Suthep remind us which one is the site of the great uprising of the people??

Your third attempt posting the same thing and still nobody impressed. Keep trying.

Focussing on the message instead of the messenger is always more fun I think, but can be problematic when one cannot assail the message.

Yes the 6000 red shirts in this mass rally is certainly impressive, almost as impressive as the 100 10 boat regatta that 1000 police where put on alert for. But the the topic is about Jatuporn becoming the new UDD chief.

[mikemac]

Oh, what a nice pair!

Now, where did i put my Motilium?

I had to google "motilium" to see if your post had a deep hidden meaning. 60 seconds of my life wasted.

I know the feeling. Reading your posts does it for me as well, Cal.

[bigbamboo]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Dear camarada Fryslan,

You make a lot of use of the word "elites". First of all, it would be very interesting if you could define exactly who are those "elites". Are you thinking about unpaid rice farmers?, middle class tax-payers?, students?, simple and ordinary people disgusted with corruption and abuse of power?, rubber farmers? Entrepreneurs? Investors? big business owners? small business owners? Army or Police Special Elites?... Who are you thinking about?? And second: please, give us an example of a country that you love where there are no such "elites" that you dislike. Perhaps North Korea?

Thank You

Compared to the thuggish, scatty red shirt element anyone would appear 'elite'

[hgma]

Thida-faceless-uninspiring-boring-sleepwalking nobody

The change comes with the tide......there is much to loose for the reds.

in Courts!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Globeman]

Well, on the one hand Jatuporn is a bit sharper that Thida at least, but far more in your face and a bigger liar. The Red shirts could really affect change if their leadership was up to scratch, presently they are just rabble rousers.

Sorry, but what evidence do you have to back up the statement that Jatuporn is 'sharper' than Thida? Do you mean his tongue? You certainly can't mean his walnut-sized brain... Thida is far better educated and a much deeper thinker than that loudmouthed moron.

[Baerboxer]

The red shirt organization is showing its changing focus by appointing two of its worst violent pit bulls in Jatuporn as their new Chairman and Nattawut as their new Secretary-General.

Even rougher times ahead for the country with these maniacs at the controls.

They are both due in court in a couple of weeks to answer questions about their breech of bail conditions.

They will be put back behind bars probably, and then Thida will likely come back spitting 'unfair' treatment by the courts (again) and accusing them of trying to topple the UDD (just to stir the hornet's nest) with the heavily dwindling red shirt members)

The red shirt movement is all but finished... What they gonna do when this election is rightfully annulled and a new election is set up that will forbid any party linked with Thaksin Shinawatra from running in the election???? They gonna stand up and cry... 'not fair'.... Because that would be the same as promoting a 'puppet government'... nothing less, and then the international community would truly laugh at them.

You have probably hit the nail on the head. Now it will be the Chairman and Secretary of the red shirts in front of the courts. Just to add a little more to the intimidation and pressure put on the court. They probably won't have time to appear in court with the new important roles.

[siampolee]

Press release.

This is the new Red Shirt anthem under Jutuporns leadership.

[than]

Just a change from a "moderate" to a strong "moderate" leader

I just not that only 6000 reds has been present in this masquerade . where they millions supporter who will show they force to counter PRDC that reds leader promised them last week?

[wolfmanjack]

"Jatuporn new UDD chief"

Jatuporn has effectively been the leader anyway, with Thida being a very good spokesperson.....It is only natural that Jatuporn take over, now that the Elite are trying to complete their plan to eliminate another elected Govt., via their agencies, etc.

Some of the derogatory comments made about Jatuporn in above Posts, perhaps reflect an underlying fear by PAD-Dem's. that they are up against formidable forces and Opposition now, unlike in 2006.

Jatuporn has massive support within the pro-Democracy Movement. In trying to denigrate the organization by impugning negativity due to lack of elections, one must remember that this is not a Political Party. One can say with certainty, that the Elite better not underestimate his leadership and the respect he garners throughout the UDD. To try and discount him, they are attempting to diminish a major Political figure within the Pro-Democracy Movement....They do so at their own endangerment should they persist in their anti-democratic ways.

"About 6,000 red shirts gathered at Ayutthaya's provincial stadium..."

Yeah right.....Consider the source when reading this.

I won't get into a numbers game, but from those who were there, there is talk from those who were there, that there was not even room to sit anywhere, never mind the mass outside the main venue.

The anti-UDD/PTP media is playing the same game they did during the build-up of anti-coup forces after 2006 and before 2010 R'song. Both ignoring the huge build-up of pro-Democracy and Anti-coup forces and rallies, and grossly under-reporting them, as in above quote.

Then when the Movement hit Bangkok, there was feigned surprise by the media, and genuine surprise by those who believe what they were told.

That is dangerous however, as those who support the Elite, have no idea what they are up against, until it is too late. The PAD-Dem rank-and-file in their support of endeavors to eliminate another elected Govt, and avoiding parliament by exercising Opposition through their user-friendly judiciary and Agencies, underestimate the pro-Democracy forces at their own peril.

Your use of the word "elite" is misleading unless you believe the UDD/red shirts do not have an "elite" within their group. Surely you do not believe that if you are a rational thinking person.

You are mistaken. Just because they are rich does not make them elite. Quite the opposite I would say.

[mikemac]

Elite - the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

That settles it, the redshirts are definitely not the elite !

[whybother]

Wonder if Jatuporn was elected democratically ?

Probably done the same way as in Australia, political parties elect their leaders. It is done in house and the public have no say in the structure of the parties.

In Australia, party members elect who they want to stand in an election, and then elected MPs elect their leader.

Are ANY of the UDD leaders elected?

[gabruce]

Sale on fire extinguishers next week..

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I presume you are relating to events of 4 years ago when some people, reacting to the army killing civilians, took matters into their own hands and set fire to some buildings in Bangkok - and you are inferring that these events will happen again?

Let's go along with your little fantasy, shall we. If that was the case surely the prices of fire extinguishers would increase due to the perceived risk, they wouldn't be at "sale prices" would they?

See, if you want to write posts that appeal to the gallery and attract the likees, you need to think them through first.

Sounds like you weren't in Bangkok at the time. I was and I have a different perspective. Got to watch the burning, piles of burning tires in intersections for days on end. You do have a talent for spin.

FYI. It was not a good time and hopefully we won't see a repeat in the future. I'm also no longer in Bangkok, so I won't have to watch the fires in person again (I hope).