Ruling on February 2 poll could ease crisis

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Ruling on poll could ease crisis
Chanikarn Phumhiran,
Somroutai Sapsomboon
The Nation

Judges to hear case on Wednesday whether February 2 election unlawful

BANGKOK: -- A political breakthrough could happen this week with the Constitutional Court may rule on whether the February 2 poll was unlawful, and the possibility of a verdict annulling the election.

A petition requesting the Constitutional Court to rule on the validity of the poll was forwarded by the Ombudsman on behalf of Thammasat University's law lecturer, Kittipong Kamolthamwong, who claimed the election process was flawed because it was unfair.

The court is scheduled on Wednesday to hear the case, with the Election Commissioners, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and the chief of Office of the Ombudsman, or their respective representatives, set to appear.

The Democrat Party expects the court to annul the election.

"If the verdict goes as we expect, it could be a starting point for both sides to hold negotiations to end the crisis," a key Democrat member said.

He said if the poll was nullified, the caretaker government and the EC would need to set a new election date and urge the Democrats to participate.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

He said this solution would be acceptable to Pheu Thai if they thought they would win the election again.

However, he said his prediction hinged on the court verdict and the talks between the two sides.

A source from Pheu Thai echoed the same forecast.

He said he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government.

However, a source from the charter court said the court had yet to decide if the ruling would be made on the same day as the hearing. However, if the judges thought they had all the facts, they might make a ruling on the same day.

In a previous case relating to the February 2 election that followed the filing of a petition by the EC, the charter court issued its ruling after three days.

The court had previously accepted another petition related to the general election filed by the EC.

One of the queries raised by the EC was whether a new Royal Decree would need to be issued for only the 28 constituencies that did not have candidates or for all constituencies.

If the court rules that a Royal Decree is needed for all the constituencies, then a new general election will be needed.

The court may include the EC petition in the Ombudsman's case.

Meanwhile, six independent agencies under the Constitution will present a road map and attempt to mediate between both sides of the political divide today.

The six agencies are the EC, the Office of the Ombudsman, the National Anti-Corruption Commission, the Office of the Auditor-General, the National Human Rights Commission, and the National Economic and Social Advisory Council.

Red shirt co-leader Weng Tojirakarn voiced concerns over the move by the six organisations, saying it could worsen the political crisis or it could be a move to use judicial activism to topple the government.

Pheu Thai spokesman Prompong Nopparit said he had doubts that the move would lead to a non-elected prime minister.


-- The Nation 2014-03-17

[ChrisY1]

Fat chance of getting anyone from PT to resign.....!

[Fryslan boppe]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Edited March 17, 2014 by Fryslan boppe

[tezzainoz]

Red shirt co-leader Weng Tojirakarn voiced concerns over the move by the six organisations, saying it could worsen the political crisis or it could be a move to use judicial activism to topple the government.

Can we please stop saying any thing about the present government as this in not one

We have Caretakers not a government in power

PTP has already topples it self buy their own PM

Lets get on with the show

Call a new election and the best man/woman wins

[DirtFarmer]

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

So ...unless your conditions are met...? Fine .. great ...go ahead boycott the next election and then get a job as one of the boat captains on the water pushers in the Chao Praya... cuz you party will be defunct.....?.

You are confident the election will be annulled but you make demands as to the procedure before the new election...<deleted>...get a clue..and still the body of this article is pushing this absurd "good people's " reform platform as if it is a given the "good people" are going to be taking over... more PR in the face...

AS of yet the "good people" aren't running the show... last I checked...

Get your buddies at the EC and Ombudsmans Office and everyone else you need to perform your judicial coup all on one page and go for it.. and then annul the next election and keep Thailand spinning in a wake of regression... yeah that's the ticket... the only way is your way... the good people's un elected way...

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

He said this solution would be acceptable to Pheu Thai if they thought they would win the election again.

However, he said his prediction hinged on the court verdict and the talks between the two sides.

So nothing new... just more speculation...... if,,, however,..... prediction..... hmmmmm maybe get with your Boys at the Network of Students and People for Thailand’s Reform and predict some Lottery numbers...

[pattayaorganic]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

SO if a popular athlete was winning games due to doping or other dubious means, but the winnings were a good financial return for sponsors, would you say the athlete should just go on winning and the non-doping competitors are just losers?

Is it OK to want to create the rules for not only a fair and credible election, but a system with sufficient checks and balances as is required in any functional democracy?

But, but...we won! We can do anything we want!

Are you seriously going to tell me that any sector of Thai society is actually benefiting from the current crime family administration and that a country 's system need not be reformed and we should just ride this Titantic voyage down to the bottom of the sea because of an electoral majority that is well known to be based on cash handouts and corruption on a massive scale?

Are you against reforming an election system that would allow the true voice of the people to be heard and not some village Pooyai who gets a pay off from an international criminal?

We must take off our blinders as to who we believe should win any election but if anything is clear at all is that the system definitely needs reform. Democracy is not a winner takes all game. Minorities still have rights. The problems is that international criminals have figured out how to game the system to their benefit (how else does a policeman end up as billionaire?).

Any true supporter of democracy would not just have a blanket refusal against reforms. Democracy in the USA was not handed to them. Patriots and Intellects fought with their lives and their brains to form what now is the model system for the world. Why can't reform of the election system be on the table? Why is it bad that a neutral party is established by both sides to head up such reform.

Because the government supporters don't actually want a fair system. They want to keep the current corrupt system where they can freely buy votes without fear of retribution. They can threaten farmers families who go to BKK to exercise their constitutional right to protest.

If that is the kind of democracy you support, then I hope those red stains of children's blood on your clothes doesn't bother you too much.

[HonestQuietBob]

Fat chance of getting anyone from PT to resign.....!

Why should the caretaker government have to resign?

Call a new election, everyone competes and the winner forms the new government.

This is the quickest, easiest, fairest and most bloodless way of resolving everything.

There is no need for any sort of illegitimate appointed administration of any sort here.

When will the Democrats ever learn that the only way to become the government is to win an election.

Why must they always subject the nation to such trauma by continually trying to sneak in the back door when the front door is right in front of them?

[PepperMe]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

SO if a popular athlete was winning games due to doping or other dubious means, but the winnings were a good financial return for sponsors, would you say the athlete should just go on winning and the non-doping competitors are just losers?

Is it OK to want to create the rules for not only a fair and credible election, but a system with sufficient checks and balances as is required in any functional democracy?

But, but...we won! We can do anything we want!

Are you seriously going to tell me that any sector of Thai society is actually benefiting from the current crime family administration and that a country 's system need not be reformed and we should just ride this Titantic voyage down to the bottom of the sea because of an electoral majority that is well known to be based on cash handouts and corruption on a massive scale?

Are you against reforming an election system that would allow the true voice of the people to be heard and not some village Pooyai who gets a pay off from an international criminal?

We must take off our blinders as to who we believe should win any election but if anything is clear at all is that the system definitely needs reform. Democracy is not a winner takes all game. Minorities still have rights. The problems is that international criminals have figured out how to game the system to their benefit (how else does a policeman end up as billionaire?).

Any true supporter of democracy would not just have a blanket refusal against reforms. Democracy in the USA was not handed to them. Patriots and Intellects fought with their lives and their brains to form what now is the model system for the world. Why can't reform of the election system be on the table? Why is it bad that a neutral party is established by both sides to head up such reform.

Because the government supporters don't actually want a fair system. They want to keep the current corrupt system where they can freely buy votes without fear of retribution. They can threaten farmers families who go to BKK to exercise their constitutional right to protest.

If that is the kind of democracy you support, then I hope those red stains of children's blood on your clothes doesn't bother you too much.

+100

Great rebuttal.

Pity it will just bounce straight back off his stupidity like a ping pong ball off a suit of armour.

He is beyond help, leave him to his fantasy land of politics, and don't try to explain the true principles of democracy to him...... he is lost in space regarding the D word.

[tiffanystoyz]

This is difficult situation here I can see both sides position maybe the courts should act in respect of setting up legal reforms then call for election ban anyone who is under investigation or is due to appear before the court on charges from running for office. That alone would rid a good part of the corrupt officials. Once this is done the courts set mandate for new government to go about cleaning up the garbage in police, government schemes and see to it that any schemes that they serve the greater good of all. Halt any project that doesn't have clear transparency and accountability and repayment plan in place or solid funding to do. With this the guess work is no longer there.

[Bakseeda]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

[HonestQuietBob]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

That's a large dose of bigotry, prejudice and condescension directed at Frysian Boppe from one who appears to be a highbrow, pompous, stuffed shirt wannabe.

My guess is that you're not quite as high up the social order as your ego suggests you think you are.

Edited March 17, 2014 by HonestQuietBob

[Baerboxer]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

You really believe Thida wants a democracy? Or that PTP will follow the law?

Too sad for words if you do.

[Baerboxer]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

That's a large dose of bigotry, prejudice and condescension directed at Frysian Boppe from one who appears to be a highbrow, pompous, stuffed shirt wannabe.

My guess is that you're not quite as high up the social order as your ego suggests you think you are.

Gentlemen, Gentlemen - no need for personal insults.

I don't know Mr.F Boppe but his posts do read like the very left wing "trendy" types that Western Europe endured in the 70's. The ones who thought we should be more like the East European Utopia. And, PTP act like that too. One party, supreme leader, we're above the law, and we're all equal just some of us more equal too. A good fit for his views as expressed on this forum.

But their again Bob, on another thread you describe Jatuporn as a freedom fighter and leader and hero of the masses. Expect you'd like very big photos of him put up, alongside dear leader and all the other rs heroes?

Edited March 17, 2014 by Baerboxer

[rubl]

It's interesting to read that some still go on about 'win an election' even those who might come from the Northern part of the Netherlands, a country which has had co-alition governments for as long as I can remember and never one with a partner having more than 40% of seats.

BTW "respect my vote" even AFTER it has been counted!

[Donnie Brasco]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

Well bakseeda, it's pretty clear from the quality of your argument that either YOU are a product of the Thai educational system. (and I will include most of the so-called "International Schools" and demonstration schools here) or you have flunked out of some third-rate Anglo degree mill and scurried back here to muckle on to the class system that nurtures the useless so well.

Simple vulgarization of your argument, your ad hominem brainfa@rts and your privileged tone gives seasoned political minds the impression of some gated community brat lecturing some hapless foreign teacher on "Thainess".

It's ALL there son. The name calling, the classism, the crude references to communism and collectivism and finally an over

-weaning sense of superiority that can only come from a combination overpriced tuition and underpaid staff.

You'll be fine if you just stick to the business of traffic in cheap labour.

Fine, for a while. ;-)

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

[Scamper]

The Constitutional Court has been quietly collecting all these requests for rulings, so the most likely scenario is that all will be combined in one judgement. Although it is unlikely that a definitive ruling on the constitutionality of the election would come on Wednesday, there is no question that it will come soon after. And it seems at this stage that the evidence against the constitutionality of the election is now overwhelming, from a number of constitutional standpoints. The election's nullification is as close to inevitable as it can get. Because six of the independent agencies empowered by the constitution have already started a forum of discussions for addressing the unprecedented situation that has now emerged - discussions and negotiations are the most likely path forward. The nullification of the election, together with Articles 7, 108, and 127 should definitively confirm that the caretaker status has been constitutionally forfeited.

Thaksin hates the Democratic party, but the irony is that he needs it very much. He needs it to establish a quorum. Those who are sympathetic to the UDD claim that the Democratic party is not interested in any arrangement that does not put them in a position of power. That is a Jatuporn line that will never go out of fashion. And yet it is simply untrue. Abhisit is a savvy politician on a number of fronts. First, he has been very savvy - to Thaksin's increasing consternation - at completely receding from view. He makes no public appearances, grants few interviews, does not wade into the political debate. He has refrained from doing so, and therefore has not played into Thaksin's hands. ( It does not, however, limit the degree to which the UDD can place words in his mouth ). In addition to that, he is also politically savvy enough to know he will never be prime minister. He concedes the reality of the electoral map. A new election will almost certainly yield a new Pheu Thai administration - or if the party is dissolved in a sea of impeachment proceedings - any of the aliases it would then assume. It is, however, not inevitable that Pheu Thai would secure a parliamentary majority. In most parliaments throughout the world, a minority government allows much greater influence for the minority party. Because of that, minority parliaments have a very good track record when it comes to accountability and serving the public interest. There is no question that Thais would fare better under a minority parliament than a majority one. But Thais would also be better served with addressing corruption. No reform can be effective without tackling the issue of corruption. A period of reform is necessary. It is also what the Thai people want. But for that, the caretaker status must be formally acknowledged to have ended. Only by removing Thaksin's direct influence in the reform period to shape things to his satisfaction will such a reform be able to have any true effect, or hope to establish any lasting consensus.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Scamper

[Benmart]

Not being Thai and having no say or influence in this Thai matter, I defer to those that are and do.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Benmart

[Benmart]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

There seems to be a generous sprinkling of the word "sure". Perhaps "assume", "I'm not sure..." or "I don't know..." would be more accurate?

As for,".... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves". I'm one of the "us" and I don't remember anyone asking if I agree with that statement.

Perhaps it was unintentional, but I prefer to speak for myself and not for others.

Just a thought.

[kimamey]

Fat chance of getting anyone from PT to resign.....!

Why should the caretaker government have to resign?

Call a new election, everyone competes and the winner forms the new government.

This is the quickest, easiest, fairest and most bloodless way of resolving everything.

There is no need for any sort of illegitimate appointed administration of any sort here.

When will the Democrats ever learn that the only way to become the government is to win an election.

Why must they always subject the nation to such trauma by continually trying to sneak in the back door when the front door is right in front of them?

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

There are serious concerns about many things in Thailand. There's the fact that the government may have been controlled by a criminal outside the country. There are concerns about the rice scheme and corruption. There's the perception that the courts and independent agencies are biased in favour of the Democrats (except the DSI). There are others as well.

If you just have an election the chances are that the PTP will win but maybe with a lesser or no majority. They will then, based on past experience do something stupid which will bring in those courts and independent agencies who will be faced with a case that, if it's proved and they rule based on that proof, the complaints about their bias will start all over again.

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This needs to be sorted and it can't be done by either side if they just use their majority to push through what they want. I'm not suggesting that Suthep's ideas are the right way as I think he needs someone else to do that for his side who is less aggressive and the same for the PTP.

[HonestQuietBob]

Fat chance of getting anyone from PT to resign.....!

Why should the caretaker government have to resign?

Call a new election, everyone competes and the winner forms the new government.

This is the quickest, easiest, fairest and most bloodless way of resolving everything.

There is no need for any sort of illegitimate appointed administration of any sort here.

When will the Democrats ever learn that the only way to become the government is to win an election.

Why must they always subject the nation to such trauma by continually trying to sneak in the back door when the front door is right in front of them?

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention.

There are serious concerns about many things in Thailand. There's the fact that the government may have been controlled by a criminal outside the country. There are concerns about the rice scheme and corruption. There's the perception that the courts and independent agencies are biased in favour of the Democrats (except the DSI). There are others as well.

If you just have an election the chances are that the PTP will win but maybe with a lesser or no majority. They will then, based on past experience do something stupid which will bring in those courts and independent agencies who will be faced with a case that, if it's proved and they rule based on that proof, the complaints about their bias will start all over again.

.

This needs to be sorted and it can't be done by either side if they just use their majority to push through what they want. I'm not suggesting that Suthep's ideas are the right way as I think he needs someone else to do that for his side who is less aggressive and the same for the PTP.

Having an election means the system has worked.

All the efforts by those opposed to the government that have been acting outside of the law and the constitution have come to naught if elections are successfully held.

Every time things don't go their way the yellow side can't just keep chucking out the government and demanding a reset.

Successful elections held now will show them that the old days are over and they will never again have any success by trying to overthrow the system.

Time for them to focus on developing a viable opposition that may one day win an election legitimately.

Time for them to let the reds succeed or fail on merit instead of having to struggle against the constant sabotaging

If the reds are really no good, the people will kick them out - have a little faith in the average man and woman on the street.

If the reds are really no good then all the illegal activities by the yellows are just providing the reds with excuses for the failures.

Don't let the Suthepsta's make the nation throw the baby out with the bath water.

NO UNELECTED ADMINISTRATION!

[JAG]

Perhaps, just maybe, the court will rule that the election was legally called, by Royal Decree, in accordance with the constitution. That the various efforts to block it, preventing registration of candidates (by violence), stealing ballot boxes, intimidation of voters and blocking polling stations were illegal. That the boycott by the Democrats was their own business and if it results in them not being represented in Parliament so be it. They may rule that the EC should get on with completing the electoral process as soon as possible.

I won't hold my breath though!

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[Gweiloman]

Perhaps, just maybe, the court will rule that the election was legally called, by Royal Decree, in accordance with the constitution. That the various efforts to block it, preventing registration of candidates (by violence), stealing ballot boxes, intimidation of voters and blocking polling stations were illegal. That the boycott by the Democrats was their own business and if it results in them not being represented in Parliament so be it. They may rule that the EC should get on with completing the electoral process as soon as possible.

I won't hold my breath though!

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The election was indeed legally called. A Royal Decree was issued, in accordance with the constitution. No one other than anti-Govt supporters could deny that. Even the chief of the Armed Forces voted, which is something he surely would not done if he felt that the elections were illegally called (I wonder if any of the EC Commissioners or any of the Constitutional Court judges voted as well).

The only reason anyone would want the elections annulled is because they fear the results.

IF the CC were to annul the elections, I can only see the reason being that the elections could not be held in a true and fair manner (which is very different from saying that they were illegal). Should this be the case, then they would be setting a precedent for all future elections and I cannot see that this is for the good of Thailand.

[Donnie Brasco]

"Ruling on poll could ease crisis"

What crisis?

Coup-mongering does not a crisis make.

Nullifying and degrading the electoral and Parliamentary system would be a crisis.

If all this Opposition noise, trying to create an atmosphere of ungovernability, and avoidance of Parliament is a crisis, then Thailand would be in a permanent state of crisis. At least until they figured out how to win an election.

Win an election by the arrogant Elites, and this sense of crisis they are trying to create, would dissipate fast.

"But the only condition we have is the government has to resign as caretaker," he said.

"So the best way out is for Yingluck to resign to pave the way for a non-elected or neutral person to head the government and take care of the election."

After the election, the Democrat said the new government would initiate national reforms before dissolving the House and hold another election.

So do it the way Suthep's handlers want it done, is the essence of above quotes.....Yeah right!

Conduct 'national reforms' first, the quote says. Code for diddle the electoral system first, so we can win an election.....Their futility in elections is systemic, don't you know?...There is nothing wrong with the electorally-challenged PAD-Dem's, its' the system, they bleat........Idiot thinking like that is a slam against one's intelligence if they think people buy into it.

"....he had heard that the court was likely to nullify the election on Wednesday and pave the way for a non-elected government"

The best reaction to this nonsense, is a quote from Thida in Ayuthaya on Saturday:

"The way to fight via the parliamentary system has been closed. Now we will fight to the end and we will not lose...What we need is democracy. We do not care which political party forms a government but they have to be elected...".

I couldn't agree more.

I would be happy to advise the PAD-Dem's on how to win an election......But first they need to go beyond their arrogant thinking, "I'm OK Jack, It's those idiot voters who don't appreciate our Political brilliance"

Not sure if this poster is Thai or Farang, but he sure does not live in Bangkok. And he sure has a Thai wife/partner. (Isaan woman) I would like to know how long he has been in Thailand..(about 3-4yrs I would think) and for sure he is poor as a field mouse.. and probabaly was involved in trade unions at some stage of his former life.. Chip on his shoulder comes to mind... Allow me to send him some kleenex and a bottle of baby oil... but his posts do give us a good laugh and make us feel better about ourselves..

That's a large dose of bigotry, prejudice and condescension directed at Frysian Boppe from one who appears to be a highbrow, pompous, stuffed shirt wannabe.

My guess is that you're not quite as high up the social order as your ego suggests you think you are.

Gentlemen, Gentlemen - no need for personal insults.

I don't know Mr.F Boppe but his posts do read like the very left wing "trendy" types that Western Europe endured in the 70's. The ones who thought we should be more like the East European Utopia. And, PTP act like that too. One party, supreme leader, we're above the law, and we're all equal just some of us more equal too. A good fit for his views as expressed on this forum.

But their again Bob, on another thread you describe Jatuporn as a freedom fighter and leader and hero of the masses. Expect you'd like very big photos of him put up, alongside dear leader and all the other rs heroes?

C'mon Baerboxer, with your patronizing collocation to Bob and Fraysan boppe you attempt to lay claim to some non-existent high road on this board. THEN you insult them with crude ad hominem slights and references to the demagogues of eastern Europe and Asia

Dude, you're not even aware of the core issues here, apparently.

How you can make such references in a political environment such as the one we spectate reveals a singular blindness or a willful obtuseness which automatically precludes any real engagement.

Your rhetoric will play much clearer on some Lumpini soapbox.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."