Jatuporn, Redshirts promise uprising against coup, appointed PM

[IamNoone88]

The flag waving "Respect My Vote" is a little absurd. The vast majority of people do not even understand the importance of their vote on their future. Learning not to throw your vote away in the first place is perhaps a good place to start but I doubt much has been spent on educating the electorate.

[AleG]

As with previous red shirt protests, it will be fully justified. Without them to uphold democracy the country would be run by the judges and army generals.

Maybe, maybe not, what is certain is that thanks to the Red Shirts the country has been governed by a bunch of, amoral, incompetent, thieving, lying crooks who have dragged it down to the brink of civil war. Well done Red Shirts, now go bomb someone to show them how much you love DemocracyTM.

[renaissanc]

The more Jatuporn incites Thaksin's Red Army to violence, the fewer people will support him/them. People know that they will only end up in jail and that Thaksin won't / can't help them. Rural people have seen that it is not worth sacrificing their life for Thaksin and Jatuporn, who re very wealthy people and who don't have to worry about where their next baht is coming from. I also think that the rural people have woken up to the fact that Thaksin is only interested in his own needs.

[metisdead]

A post advocating violence has been removed as well as the replies.

[lovetotravel]

"....widespread protests...."

The operative word here is "widespread".

I'm waiting for developments to develop, but whatever actions the UDD/RS's make, will be widespread....Like in "Everywhere".

In the face of this very blatantly orchestrated attack on Democracy, the elected Govt. and Prime Minister by unelectable Elitist political entities artificially masquerading as pseudo solemn, impartial and respectable Independent Agencies, will indeed be far-reaching.

If they miscalculate and involve the military as well, will be an interesting 'boomerang' to watch.......The facts being that in spite of their guns, the military will be heavily outnumbered everywhere.

Preparations for this sham unfolding of the Amart's plans has been "widely' (there is that word again) anticipated, and prepared for all-over-the-place.

The Amart is in the process of throwing down the gauntlet before the Electoral majority.

Let's all watch and see.

You seriously need to get out of that red village and talk with some of the common, non-elitist protesters. Some of whom are red shirts who pay taxes and are tired of their hard earned money being wasted. and the image of their country being tarnished. all in the (false) name of democracy. It's the red shirt elitists that you should be worried about. The average red shirt supporter is being taken advantage of.

[Ulysses G.]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

who are the yellows?

The yellows are not wearing yellow anymore and the red shirts are not wearing red. That does not change the fact that both sides are still dishonest and corrupt.

[HonestQuietBob]

The Reds wouldn't know Democracy if it bit them in the arse...........hence the headline of this post..........

On the contrary, Every single Red shirt could quite easily give you 6 examples of democracy by citing their last 6 outings at elections.

An uprising against a coup and non-elected government is a pro-democracy action.

Back to school for you sunshine.

[looping]

It seems that Jatuporn was appointed for the reason of inciting more rioting. He was denied a Ministerial position if I remember, maybe too hard line, blood on his hands, but when the time comes for another 'Shindig', he's brought out, dusted off and told to do his thing.

Desperate measures in desperate times for the govt. Again it's time to threaten mass violence if things don't go their way.

Let's hope that even the red shirts won't be so gullible this time. At least they could leave their children at home.

As for the pro red shirts on this forum, seriously! You're entitled to your opinion but you have to admit that democracy hasn't been implemented very well in Thailand (you know why), and changes are needed to stop rampant corruption before a proper election is held. It's really simple and it's bemusing that the likes of Jatuporn can persuade you otherwise. Anyway, like I said, the reds are entitled to their opinion, however desperate and simplistic. That's part of democracy, like free voting (not coerced and paid), freedom of speech (in red villages?), and open debates (televised?).

As I said, a long way to go, but transparency isn't in everyone's interests. Clearly.

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Edited March 22, 2014 by looping

[oldsailor35]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

In Australia Kevin Rudd was NO. 1

But we ended up With Gillard

you all keep crying about Thais should be like the west

but when things not go your way

then you all complain

welcome to the real world of Politics

But Thailand does not have a Trade Union Movement to control its destiny and decide who is PM.

[pkspeaker]

OMFG this is such typical PAD/PDRC/democrat ideology-the Thai people are 'stupid' , they don't 'understand' democracy, they are too stupid and unsophesticated too vote so we need a dictatorship here, before people can be allowed to vote, they 'need to be educated' now keep in mind that the VAST mojority of Thai voters are LITERATE , that means the people who elect Yingluck as PM CAN READ A NEWSPAPER, they understand the basic issues just as well as anyone.. BUT the PAD/PDRC facists insist that they be 'educated' in the 'right way' in other words their attitude is just lke any dicator who sends people to 're-education' centers, so they can learn to vote for the dictator.

The flag waving "Respect My Vote" is a little absurd. The vast majority of people do not even understand the importance of their vote on their future. Learning not to throw your vote away in the first place is perhaps a good place to start but I doubt much has been spent on educating the electorate.

[oldsailor35]

The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

If you charged Jutaporn on those grounds, you would have to shoot Suthep for what he has done to the nation.

[phantomfiddler]

The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

It sounds to me that jatuporn is openly threatening to take on the army should they step in to keep the peace, and there will be no peace while the man from Dubai rules

[Spalpeen]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

.

Glad to see you finally realise that the process by which Yingluck was elected PM was "totally democratic", as you put it, and that she can only legitimately be removed by totally democratic means. Progress at last!

[rametindallas]

This is DEAD wrong, as soon as we have an 'appointed neutral' PM just wait to see how many people come out, they havn't come out in large numbers because the elected PM hasn't been deposed yet-and they don't want to create even more problems for the embattled government. They are waiting for that redline to be crossed.

The PT has WAY more support than the democrat/pad/pdrc, THAT'S WHY THEY WN ELECTIONS IN A LANDSLIDE , previously the military in partcular bought this line that although the TRT wins elections by a landslide 'they don't have any real empassioned supporters like the pad' this is the fundamental miscalculation that brought the coup on-they thought you could just sort of sweep TRT under the rug and it would just go away, and it was exposed as a farce by 2009 and 2010 when the reds brought even more people out onto the streets than what pad did previously. The democracy supporters in this country have way more support that pad/pdrc which is a sham political organization of neo-facists.

It's becoming more and more apparent that Jatuporn, Thida, and the UDD are a spent force. After their last rally only drew 6,000 attendees, when it was touted to be 100,000 plus, and their poorly attended 'leaders' meeting (which gloried over the killing of children) it is obvious they no longer have broad support. People are disillusioned with the current government and no longer consider them as representing their interests, as evidenced by the very low turnout in Red districts for the February 2 elections. Jatuporn can shout all he wants but nobody is listening except the news media, those on the payroll, and a hand full of fanatics. All these grand pronouncements he makes and veiled threats are just so much hot air. He is like a barking soi dog; annoying but of no consequence. If it weren't for Dr. Thaksin's continued funding, this organization would have dissipated and vanished already. It only exists now to be used as a stick by Thaksin. So sad that beautiful Thailand is marred my this soi dog's incessant barking.

The only way the Reds will protest is if they are well paid. Dr. Thaksin was removed from government house in 2006 but it took the Reds until 2010 to get upset enough to protest? Get real; it took four years for Dr. Thaksin to create and organize the UDD into a paid protest group, supported by black-shirt mercenaries, to attempt a 'soft' coup on a government every bit as legitimate as the one you currently support. The UDD has been whipping up the hysteria for too long and no one has the energy any more to get so upset as you suggest. Also, very, very few will risk getting shot in Bangkok for even a thousand Baht a day. I gave two very recent examples of how dissipated the UDD movement is, can you give ANY examples to prove they are still viable? Your are in a Red village where people are intimidated if they don't comply so you get a very distorted view of how people really feel (most Thai are not outspoken). They are scared of Thaksin's bully boys so they keep quiet. Just because they don't publicly disagree with the Red message doesn't mean they agree. You obviously don't know much about the nature of Thai country people if you think they are always ready to explode if something happens to your precious Yingluck or her puppet government. My first wife is Isaan in Yasothon and the people I know like to enjoy a good time and be happy. It goes against their nature to stay angry as you would have us believe. I don't know if you are delusional or if you are writing what you wish to be true but, sorry to bust your bubble, the whole 'cult of Thaksin' is on its way out of fashion. It is my wish that, when Thaksin and his self-serving minions are out of the way, there will be room for a truly grass-roots political movement that will sincerely represent the rural people of all of Thailand but, as long as the client/patron system exists, I don't have much hope.

[oldsailor35]

Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

at some point you're going to tell us all what a yellow is - right ? is this a footy forum am I in the wrong place

A Yellow shirt is a supporter of the Democrat party, you know , the ones who are always in a minority, never able to gain power legally, never able to win an election. Always upset about it and ready to throw their dummys out of the pram. What they really need to do is to Reform themselves before they consider reforming the country.

[oldsailor35]

The more Jatuporn incites Thaksin's Red Army to violence, the fewer people will support him/them. People know that they will only end up in jail and that Thaksin won't / can't help them. Rural people have seen that it is not worth sacrificing their life for Thaksin and Jatuporn, who re very wealthy people and who don't have to worry about where their next baht is coming from. I also think that the rural people have woken up to the fact that Thaksin is only interested in his own needs.

Actually, Jutaporn has been very cool compared with the Mouth from the South.

[gamini]

"....widespread protests...."

The operative word here is "widespread".

I'm waiting for developments to develop, but whatever actions the UDD/RS's make, will be widespread....Like in "Everywhere".

In the face of this very blatantly orchestrated attack on Democracy, the elected Govt. and Prime Minister by unelectable Elitist political entities artificially masquerading as pseudo solemn, impartial and respectable Independent Agencies, will indeed be far-reaching.

If they miscalculate and involve the military as well, will be an interesting 'boomerang' to watch.......The facts being that in spite of their guns, the military will be heavily outnumbered everywhere.

Preparations for this sham unfolding of the Amart's plans has been "widely' (there is that word again) anticipated, and prepared for all-over-the-place.

The Amart is in the process of throwing down the gauntlet before the Electoral majority.

Let's all watch and see.

so you are another looney leftwinger spewing rubbish

[ramrod711]

"Reporters kept asking me when the Redshirts will enter Bangkok," said Mr. Jatupon Prompan, chairman of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD).

Will Jatuporn, the chubby terrorist be leading the march, walking bravely in the lead for months? No, didn't think so. Will people be lining the roadsides to give him money? No, didn't think so. In 2010 the reds attracted a crowd of roughly 100,000 people on one weekend, after that 5,000 to 10,000, it seems that 6,000 is about the maximum that Jatuporn can draw.

[oldsailor35]

The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

It sounds to me that jatuporn is openly threatening to take on the army should they step in to keep the peace, and there will be no peace while the man from Dubai rules

"The man from Dubai" a brilliantly intelligent catch phrase from someone with nothing to say !

[BestBitterPhuket]

If the red side wins, they may clean up and reform the army, which is needed. If the elite/yellow wins, they may clean up and reform the police which is badly needed. But I can't see anyone cleaning up both.

[kingalfred]

The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence

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[BestBitterPhuket]

The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence

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There will be no turning points, unless the coup makers, institute REAL and badly needed reforms, but it is more likely that instead of reforms they will do like last time in 2006, just handicap their political opponents so that that they can solidify their power and continue with their own lavish lifestyles. They will not care about farmers or the working class as usual.

[scorecard]

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Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM
They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Those voting for PT were well aware of who was going to be made PM given a PT victory. Duh!

yes and perhaps you would like to give us all a lesson titled "PTP/Yinglucs" achievements for the last 2 1/2 years of office, please use words like reconciliation - democracy - as often as you like with the odd amnesty - rice - farmers - corruption - lies - law thrown in for good measure

It would be an interesting read

Nice, and perhaps add:

- Equal application of the law

- Major police reform, including an outside body to investigate complaints from the public against the police, and complaints from serving officers

- Legislation which strongly punishes any attempt by politicians / political parties to push permanent officials outside of balanced work practices

- Processes which allow the public easy access to all transactions conducted by all ministries

- Real policies and structured mechanisms to identify and strongly punish corruption, including workable 'whistle blower' legislation

- Polices and mechanisms to stop nepotism

- Severe upgrade of legislation to much more strongly punish vote buying

- Legislation to ensure that employment and promotion is based on proven capability and proven high performance, and nothing else.

- Actual and wide reform of education

- Compulsory hours in high school to learn the real meaning of democracy and also learn what needs strong attention and protection to safeguard democracy, plus make it strongly punishable if a teacher attempts to tell students which Thai party is good / not good etc.

and more...

[Ricardo]

Fact

The Thai people did note Vote Yingluck in at the Thai PM

They voted in their local area MP

These MP then voted for Yingluck to represent them as a Figurehead

If at any time these same MP's decide they want to change the PM, this is totally democratic

If at any time the numbers of MP's in the government become less that the opposition

The the opposition MP's have the majority of votes and can vote in their own PM

This is the democratic system used in Western Countries

I wish many posters on TVF and the crazy Red Shirts would get this into their heads

Yingluck was the number 1 on the list for PM...all votors knew this well in advance of the election.

What "list for PM" ?

Yingluck was number-1 on the party-list for PTP-MPs, that's something different.

When voting for PPP in December-2007, did people know they'd later get PM-Somchai as a result, I doubt it.

The PM is elected by the MPs, not directly by the people.

[Blackmirage2013]

Whatever the arguments are, we have a corrupt moron "acting" prime minister now, who doesn't even know which box to put her own ballot in and who lies, cries and tries to pull the wool over uneducated people's eyes so that her corrupt, evil brother can come back to Thailand.

Thaksin is a coward. Can't even face the music. You do something wrong, you pay the price. What a sissy coward punk.

Edited March 22, 2014 by Blackmirage2013

[ABCer]

There are two things in common to all these crazy Redshirts, Yellowshirts and stark naked Mobs:

- All they promise and deliver is uprisings, shutdowns and chaos;

- None of them are representing Thai People.

[rametindallas]

The question now, is Jatuporn inciting violence, if so, he should be charged , excellent statesmen these people , they sure know how to address the people and the problems.

It sounds to me that jatuporn is openly threatening to take on the army should they step in to keep the peace, and there will be no peace while the man from Dubai rules

"The man from Dubai" a brilliantly intelligent catch phrase from someone with nothing to say !

Looks like you don't have much to say either.

[pkspeaker]

The whole 'reform' and 'corruption' line is a farce, the PAD/PDRC never really specifies as to what these reforms are, they just ramble on about 'reforms' and they also insist that there is this vague 'corruption' amoung the PT party, as if the PT is more corrupt than any other politcal party- it's all false rhetoric to serve the agenda of an appointed dictator to run the country, every dictator since the end of WWII has insisted that his country cannot be democratic because of this 'corruption' that goes along with democracy, of cource the dictatorships wind up being even more corrupt, BTW for decades after the end of WWII Thailand was a military dictatorship with the 'democrat' party often being the civilian face of that military dictatorship so forget about them making any reforms..

This article proves what we have known all along, another appointed PM will not end the street rallies but will bring on another and more violent redshirt rally, the appointed douchebag will then be forced into another snap election.

Don't forget Suthep-Abhist were forced to end his appointed premiership 2 years early, so why da fk does Suthep want another appointed douchebag when HE was the one that quit early in the face of street ralles?

The only solution is to get the election done, STOP allowing protesters to close election station and candidate registration venues, and get it done.

The way I see it is the TRT/PPP/PT has been running this country since 2001, bar 2 appointed PMs that didn't do much other than serve as a caretakers and/or to continue PT policies for another 2 years.. When a REAL opposition arises that has a clear strategy to win enough votes in the north and south to win an election, then THAT'S when the PT will be deposed-UNTIL THEN the shinawatra haters just have to deal with what the electorate serves up as the government.

The day the red terrorists try to replicate their 2010 actions in Bangkok will be a turning point for the country ,It will determine if the security forces can and will clamp down ,with force,immediately.If they dont because of their red political masters,its over for Thailand economic development and foreign presence

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There will be no turning points, unless the coup makers, institute REAL and badly needed reforms, but it is more likely that instead of reforms they will do like last time in 2006, just handicap their political opponents so that that they can solidify their power and continue with their own lavish lifestyles. They will not care about farmers or the working class as usual.

[mikemac]

I hope the red scumbags a-la Thai Rouge do not march on BKK again but if they do it will not drag on for months. This time the army will kick their sorry asses out on day 1. Lessons learned from 2010. For this reason I doubt if the gutless swine will take on the army.

[tetleythedog]

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Neither do the yellows, So who is left?

The ORANGE !