Thousands of Thai anti-government protesters march in Bangkok

[Hardy99]

so how many thousands against 20mln voters, millions, who were prevented from voting and millions intimidated by armed and violent mob?

These are more civilized and orderly than Red Shirt. It shows the level of education. for my money I rather the educated people make decisions than uneducated at anytime

a bit rough, but hard to argue with.

a bit rough and SUPERDEMOCRATIC!! I like those People had a little-- or a little better education and thinking about that they are better then others.. just for example.. Idi Amin studied in a US University too. Not the education makes the human - what we make out of it counts. And the figures in that Picture above.. if the Stadium of Bayern is full there are more people.. when here may be 100'000 marching they call it millions - where is the education gone then?

[djjamie]

Blockage has cleared now, it was another march joining from Si Ayuthia and they had a discussion on who was to go firt. The march is moving very quickly now to catch up.

Rubbish.... as from 12.14 there were stll 2 sections yet to start marching.

Anyone else in the Lumpini area that can tell us who is lying here???

Anyway, let's wait till next Saturday to see what the PRO GOVERNMENT can reply with.

Oh I forgot, the UDD would first 'monitor' this rally and then make their decision.

Meaning, they will call it off because the support for the government can no way beat the support for the anti-government movement.

Not even 10% of it.

Right on. It was just announced the rally is exceeding 3 million anti-govt protestors. I believe this exceeds any previous protest, as Suthep predicated.

I estimated 14000 from the nation photo:

I'm curious what is Bluesky telling their viewers?

My, my…See my post below…Tell me I was not far off my prediction. You can predict em as accurately as predicting night follows day. I was watching this OP and waiting, waiting, waiting…And he bit..

I rest my case. PTP logic right there.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/714814-thousands-of-thai-anti-government-protesters-march-in-bangkok/?p=7623431

I must admit I said a 47kb photo. His is 207kb..

Edited March 29, 2014 by djjamie

[BlueNoseCodger]

how about this drone from the nation https://twitter.com/vapee/status/449804117913767936/photo/1

Just got back, I couldn't find them this time.

Did you get the wrong link? i clicked on it and got the low angle shot from BlueSky

I think you meant this photo?

nation-photo2.jpg

I make it (36+10) * 2 across, 100 deep in the main block, = 9200, plus some bits on the arms, say 2000 in the left, 1000 in the top, 1000 in the right (I'll assume people behind the trees), and a bit along the bottom...

About 14000.

That'll get you about 25% of one seat in parliament.

If you think that's only 14,000 people in that particular picture then you need to go back to school and study maths-with-statistics. In that small picture alone there is way above 200,000, and that is a small picture of the grander turn out in full. Close on 1M or above shall be accurately assed soon, but won't be announced by the PTP, for sure. Wait for Chalerm to say, "Easy day, only 5,500 turned out," and then Jatuporn announcing, "We will see 10 million in BKK on 5th April." 555...

I counted 92 across by 100 deep in the main middle section, there's a few at the front (I overestimated at 800 to give a max) about 2000 in the left side road, 1000 in the top and the I'm assuming 1000 in the right lane behind the tree.

It's a big tree, are the other 186000 people behind it?

But you are right in a sense, there are a million people in the photo, I've highlighted where they are:

They're at home, not supporting your protest.

Edited March 29, 2014 by BlueNoseCodger

[Gunna]

Almost 2 hours in since the front marchers took off and there are still hundreds of thousands of marchers still waiting at Lumpini to start marching.

This is going to be the biggest yet.

you don't mean it's going to be more than 6mln from the december scientific count?

As usual Charlerm was full of lies and BS when he predicted no more than 30,000.

Good to see there are a lot more than the few paid Red shirts who were at Pattaya last week-end.

[Hardy99]

so how many thousands against 20mln voters, millions, who were prevented from voting and millions intimidated by armed and violent mob?

If you want to quote stupid and irrelevant figures then you should refer to the majority of voters that DIDN'T vote for Yingluck

Funny.. why then the Title of this treed you dont call it "stupid" .. it is about "stupid numbers"... think

There were few Posts above with numbers.. why didn't you comment them as "stupid comments" and last in a democratic System it is the numbers of voters and the pro and contra what counts and makes the decission which way to go! I cant understand why then if the majority wants Yingruck to quick they not just go vote and win?

[rebelplatoon]

The silly things some people post. The difference between the Democrats and the Phue Thai (resurrected from a first BANNED PPP and then a BANNED TRT both for ELECTORAL FRAUDE) in the last election (which wasn't free and fair) was only 13%. Once again the red rhetoric of the Elite is being posted here. How can a difference in popular vote of only 13% be the Elite of Thailand? And for that matter no one in the Democrat party has even got 10% of the wealth the Sae Khu clan has. So who are the elite? If nearly a million or even 500.000 people take time off and find it necessary to take to the streets that is called a massive protest. And then a little word for these RESPECT MY VOTE people: Yes, it will be respected once everyone knows it was a free and fair election. To do so the Laws have to be adjusted NOT to FIT the Sae Khu clan but to make sure elections will indeed be democratic, free, fair and devout of vote buying. And this Dutch fella who seems to have his head inside the red channel (FRYSLANBOPPE) probably has an Eesan girlfriend and believes whatever she or the red channel feeds him. Such a shame he seems quite an educated person judging from his command of English. Just keep on repeating red rhetoric does NOT add anything to the discussion. Get your head out of the sand and check facts and figures.

[The Deerhunter]

So, in a country with a population of approx 66.7million, if he is lucky to get 1 million (.015%), he thinks he speaks for the "majority" of the Thai people?

Gotta love Thai logic and "new math".

I am surprised that the red trolls are not claining that it was 20 old ladies and a lame dog.

BTW I am able to advise tnhat the lame dog is not able to join marche yet but physio in Chiangmai on the damaged ankle is impring it sot that she should be able toi stand for the national anthem soon.

[djjamie]

How much are these 'protesters' being paid a day?

300 baht for the guards, the slum group probably got 300 baht each also. Maybe a free meal too.

The slum group (homeless people maybe?) Free food heay? No links, no facts to back it? Just your belief heay?

WOW…I scored a double wammy today with my predictions.

You solidify my predictions bluenose for which I am eternally grateful.

[Fat Haggis]

Here's the thing. Support Suthep or not, prior to today, he "boasted", more than once, that today's rally would be the "biggest ever". In my personal opinion, he's definitely missed the mark on that one.

You could be right about this is not the biggest show of support ever. However after 4 months of continuous protesting and givin the fact is is near 40 c in the shade walking over 15 km. in the sun, it is pretty impressive.

IMHO it has nothing to do with Suthep, this and all previous protest marches has to do with people sick and tired of the way this country is and has been governed, and want something better without a Shin or its clan in that equation.

Then let them vote on it, prove beyond all reasonable doubt that this is indeed what the "Majority" want.

Where does this idea keep coming from?

That some magical majority is required for people to protest the rampant corruption tearing their country apart? It's bizarre, it's beyond even Thai thought. The next time your wallet is stolen, you expect the police to ask for 38 million witnesses? It's the same stuff as saying any politician who manages to cheat, buy, steal the biggest number of votes can enjoy unlimited legitimate corruption.

Errr no the idea comes from the amount of people who keep making claims that the majority want reforms before elections without having put that out there to the populus, I could quite easily say the majority of Thai's think I'm a super sexy hunky bastard based on the 100 women I asked in the Mall in Korat "Do you think I'm super sexy" and 51 said yes.. could I make the claim based on my results that the majority of Thai women think I'm sexy? Hardly!!

I think one of them might have gone off with my wallet after I paid them 100 baht each to vote for my popularity mind you!!

The problem with your analogy is that it always tends to be the ones who cheat steal and lie their way through life that end up with the power Every promise a politician makes such as I'll reduce taxes by 1% is also vote buying as it's been pointed out to me before, vote buying isn't just about handing out cash for a X , and as I said earlier too, how many times does this happen annually that it is of benefit to the voter, 300-500 baht 2-3 times a year isn't a life changing amount.

You do realise that also every party has handed over cash for votes in the past too, and that many consensus's have also said that vote buying doesn't actually have a significant impact on the over all bigger picture..

Now, if my wallet was stolen in a nightclub, with 1000 people there it would be a fair bet that they'd ask a considerable amount if the same thing happened to them and did they spot anyone acting suspicious They certainly wouldn't be going outside and asking anyone in the other bars and clubs if they seen who stole my wallet would they? Using my wallet is such a poor example as the wallet might have been empty as I blew the contents on Grey Goose, and would I really care if the wallet was stolen? I'd just buy another one the next day.

I never carry anything of importance in my wallet apart from hard cash, I don't take any cards out with me, and don't take any ID that can't be replaced, I carry paper copies and my driving licence and that's it, and if I lost the licence it would be a show stopper either.. so unfortunately using my wallet as an analogy was pretty pointless.

[Valentine]

Go on with this nonsense.

The rich influence people always can leave Thailand, the ordinary people from North to East to South can't. They will suffer as always.

The "ordinary people" get what they vote for and if Yingluck; rich and influential, would simply leave the country we would all be far better off.

Who are you to think you can advocate a Thai leave the country? Are you Thai? Even if you were Thai, that would be a completely wrong idea unless the Thai chose to leave free of duress or coercion.

Thaksin choose to leave Thailand under duress, but with a lot of ammart knowing it, popping champagne corks and cheering in their estates.

Just who are you to say a Thai should leave Thailand for any reason, involuntarily or otherwise?

Mr T left voluntarily, promising to return after the Olympics. Of course he did not return, was sentenced in absentia, & did not bother to appeal. Then again the case where he was sentenced to 2 years in jail was small bikkies compared to possible jail time for more serious charges. There have been others before him from the 1997 financial crisis such as Saxena who is now back after years of extradition proceedings & another, I think his name was Pin, the head of a large finance company which went bust & probably causing financial hardship to 1,000s of people, he is now back a free man after the statute of limitations expired.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Valentine

[dutchisaan]

how about this drone from the nation https://twitter.com/vapee/status/449804117913767936/photo/1

Just got back, I couldn't find them this time.

Did you get the wrong link? i clicked on it and got the low angle shot from BlueSky

I think you meant this photo?

nation-photo2.jpg

I make it (36+10) * 2 across, 100 deep in the main block, = 9200, plus some bits on the arms, say 2000 in the left, 1000 in the top, 1000 in the right (I'll assume people behind the trees), and a bit along the bottom...

About 14000.

That'll get you about 25% of one seat in parliament.

If you think that's only 14,000 people in that particular picture then you need to go back to school and study maths-with-statistics. In that small picture alone there is way above 200,000, and that is a small picture of the grander turn out in full. Close on 1M or above shall be accurately assed soon, but won't be announced by the PTP, for sure. Wait for Chalerm to say, "Easy day, only 5,500 turned out," and then Jatuporn announcing, "We will see 10 million in BKK on 5th April." 555...

I counted 92 across by 100 deep in the main middle section, there's a few at the front (I overestimated at 800 to give a max) about 2000 in the left side road, 1000 in the top and the I'm assuming 1000 in the right lane behind the tree.

It's a big tree, are the other 186000 people behind it?

But you are right in a sense, there are a million people in the photo, I've highlighted where they are:

nation-photo3.jpg

They're at home, not supporting your protest.

Well it's clear that you have nothing better to do than trying to count people on a picture. And now that you showed everybody your amazing skills can you tell me what point you try to make?

Or are you still p*ssid of that the pro goverment demonstraters can not get more than 2000 - 3000 people to show up?

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[tezzainoz]

Suthep expresses belief more than one million demonstrators join rally

BANGKOK: -- Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee, expressed his belief Saturday that more than one million people have come out or will later join the mass rally.

He was speaking on Blue Sky Channel at 10:30 am while leading the march.

-- The Nation 2014-03-29

Plus on top of that the thousands who lined the streets to cheer and give water to the walkers

Today we saw the Thai people come together to voice the will of the people against years of corruption

The most scary thing about evil and corruption

Is when people and Thai Visa members allow is to continue

I live in a medium village in Udon, and my lounge room today was full of Thais cheering the end of the Thaskin era

But I must admit the large qty of beer we had to celebrate may have attracted a few

[KRS1]

so how many against 20mln voters and millions, who were prevented from voting?

You mean the 20 million of which around 50% voted NO, and the rest were a couple of million for assorted parties and 8 million buffalos for the PTP.

The ones obstructed were not PTP strongholds and I think the 2% in some provinces that turned out in the re-runs says it all really.

The real majority are speaking.

Not the 8 million MINORITY!!!!!!!!!

The other 40 MILLION VOTERS!

Well over a million on the streets, and the rest voted with their feet.

Of the 40 million in un-obstucted areas, 20 million did not even bother to vote. 10 million who did voted NO and the other 8 million who didn't get the chance to vote would be pretty much all NO votes, and not a single vote would have been PTPO anyway.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it pal.

Only 16.69% voted no.

polling-result.jpg

There was only 1 seat that fell below the 20% mark, Thammarat.

Even in democrat strong holds the vote was above the 20% cutoff for a seat to be valid, seats like Prachuap Khiri Khan and Samut Songkhram, likely voted in Pheu Thai (50% share of the vote in the South seats).

Your photo is impressive, but doesn't match up to the others or the TV coverage, I think its from old protests. Radio says 5000, I think that's being generous.

reveal your source of the photos.

[djjamie]

If you think that's only 14,000 people in that particular picture then you need to go back to school and study maths-with-statistics. In that small picture alone there is way above 200,000, and that is a small picture of the grander turn out in full. Close on 1M or above shall be accurately assed soon, but won't be announced by the PTP, for sure. Wait for Chalerm to say, "Easy day, only 5,500 turned out," and then Jatuporn announcing, "We will see 10 million in BKK on 5th April." 555...

Just got back, I couldn't find them this time.

Did you get the wrong link? i clicked on it and got the low angle shot from BlueSky

I think you meant this photo?

nation-photo2.jpg

I make it (36+10) * 2 across, 100 deep in the main block, = 9200, plus some bits on the arms, say 2000 in the left, 1000 in the top, 1000 in the right (I'll assume people behind the trees), and a bit along the bottom...

About 14000.

That'll get you about 25% of one seat in parliament.

I counted 92 across by 100 deep in the main middle section, there's a few at the front (I overestimated at 800 to give a max) about 2000 in the left side road, 1000 in the top and the I'm assuming 1000 in the right lane behind the tree.

It's a big tree, are the other 186000 people behind it?

But you are right in a sense, there are a million people in the photo, I've highlighted where they are:

nation-photo3.jpg

They're at home, not supporting your protest.

Come on bluenose…Surely I cannot get 3 out of 3 predictions right…I think you read my post and are taking the p*ss now..I said "Look at the photos. If 2 people can fit into 1 square meter then going by this tiny 48kb photo on the internet there are only 9000 people at the most" You said "I counted 92 across by 100 deep in the main middle section, there's a few at the front"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/714814-thousands-of-thai-anti-government-protesters-march-in-bangkok/?p=7623431

I have got 3 from 3 now and, blow me down, all from the same person….

Absolutely love your work bluenose…Come on…Give me 4 from 4 and say "Just shows the PDRC are not popular because they haven't got more than 10 000 that the UDD had back in 2010"

[tezzainoz]

so how many thousands against 20mln voters, millions, who were prevented from voting and millions intimidated by armed and violent mob?

If you want to quote stupid and irrelevant figures then you should refer to the majority of voters that DIDN'T vote for Yingluck

The Democrat Party hasn't won a general election since 1992. That's almost as long as the last time Arsenal won a Cup (1994). That's pretty sorry and sad.

Yep your right

So I guess time for a change

[tezzainoz]

Here's the thing. Support Suthep or not, prior to today, he "boasted", more than once, that today's rally would be the "biggest ever". In my personal opinion, he's definitely missed the mark on that one.

You could be right about this is not the biggest show of support ever. However after 4 months of continuous protesting and givin the fact is is near 40 c in the shade walking over 15 km. in the sun, it is pretty impressive.

IMHO it has nothing to do with Suthep, this and all previous protest marches has to do with people sick and tired of the way this country is and has been governed, and want something better without a Shin or its clan in that equation.

Then let them vote on it, prove beyond all reasonable doubt that this is indeed what the "Majority" want.

Get a life

Every one wants to vote

Just some want to vote when votes are not corrupt

so your saying you want to vote now while the PTP can still cheat

[djjamie]

Suthep expresses belief more than one million demonstrators join rally

BANGKOK: -- Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee, expressed his belief Saturday that more than one million people have come out or will later join the mass rally.

He was speaking on Blue Sky Channel at 10:30 am while leading the march.

-- The Nation 2014-03-29

Plus on top of that the thousands who lined the streets to cheer and give water to the walkers

Today we saw the Thai people come together to voice the will of the people against years of corruption

The most scary thing about evil and corruption

Is when people and Thai Visa members allow is to continue

I live in a medium village in Udon, and my lounge room today was full of Thais cheering the end of the Thaskin era

But I must admit the large qty of beer we had to celebrate may have attracted a few

Yesssssssssss. 4 out of 4…Well done.

Edit - Stand corrected…Not 4 out of 4...

Sorry Tezz!

Edited March 29, 2014 by djjamie

[brewsterbudgen]

If you truly believe Suthep is any less corrupt than the Shins you are very naive.

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Must be a good feeling to be so superior......

Not superior at all. Just realistic. Corruption is endemic in Thailand and Suthep is not best placed to fix it.

It needs an individual or party untainted by corruption and this cannot be obtained overnight or by the same corrupt politicians who were part of previous corrupt governments. It will happen in time, slowly and possibly painfully. Just as it has in other countries. Thailand is no different.

Edited March 29, 2014 by brewsterbudgen

[ozyjon]

Bugger,, i missed the party,, i'm in Sukhumvit and i hear nothing i see nothing, i feel left out, went out shopping for the day to On Nut, probably the opposite direction, if i had known i would have joined the party.

[Fat Haggis]

Here's the thing. Support Suthep or not, prior to today, he "boasted", more than once, that today's rally would be the "biggest ever". In my personal opinion, he's definitely missed the mark on that one.

You could be right about this is not the biggest show of support ever. However after 4 months of continuous protesting and givin the fact is is near 40 c in the shade walking over 15 km. in the sun, it is pretty impressive.

IMHO it has nothing to do with Suthep, this and all previous protest marches has to do with people sick and tired of the way this country is and has been governed, and want something better without a Shin or its clan in that equation.

Then let them vote on it, prove beyond all reasonable doubt that this is indeed what the "Majority" want.

Get a life

Every one wants to vote

Just some want to vote when votes are not corrupt

so your saying you want to vote now while the PTP can still cheat

No I said let the Thai's themselves decide if they want to reforms before elections and seeing as you're not a Thai, and have no say in this, try getting a life yourself and let the Thai people themselves have their say, I have advocated that holding a referendum for the Thai people is a way in which to gauge their priorities, as in reform or status quo..

There's ALWAYS going to be voter corruption it happens the world over, and if you don't see this then you're as naive as they come, I've said for long enough to the ones who are using the words Majority, how do you know it's a majority? a few opinion polls? put these opinion polls to the test and see if there's merit in what many are claiming, I don't see what harm a referendum can do. Perhaps it's a fear that maybe, just maybe the majority are just pig sick of both sides and have better things to do with their lives than to get involved in dick measuring contests that doesn't solve anything??

Vote buying happens within all parties, it's not just about handing over a few hundred baht, it also comes in making false promises, Thailand will never rid itself of corruption it's endemic, it's the level that people chose to accept that's the issue..

I'm off to pour myself a cup of "get a life" .. you want one too??

[MobileContent]

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Suthep announces intention to fight to eliminate Thaksin's regime

BANGKOK: -- People's Democratic Reform Committee spokesman secretary general Suthep Thaugsuban made an announcement at the Royal Plaza to reaffirm the PRDC's commitment to fight to eliminate the Thaksin regime.

He said the regime was a danger of the country. He said the PDRC would join hands with the people to fight to reform the country so that the nation would have genuine democracy for the real benefits of the people.

-- The Nation 2014-03-29

Didn't he said that 4 months ago?

[tezzainoz]

How much are these 'protesters' being paid a day?

My Thai wife and 28 friends got 28,4 million baht to protest

they will buy out 12 villages in Issan and make them Den retreats

wake up my friend no one could afford to pay this many people for 1 simple demonstaration even at 500 baht ahead

Next question

how much where you paid to ask the question ?

and are you a PTP Plant ?

[sms747]

whenever I have seen these 'protesters' it look like 10% affluent middle class, a few students and 90% rough necks who look like they would be supporting the reds, and probably do when they have a paying rent a mob job on, the whole thing stinks.

[sms747]

How much are these 'protesters' being paid a day?

My Thai wife and 28 friends got 28,4 million baht to protest

they will buy out 12 villages in Issan and make them Den retreats

wake up my friend no one could afford to pay this many people for 1 simple demonstaration even at 500 baht ahead

Next question

how much where you paid to ask the question ?

and are you a PTP Plant ?

Yet when it's the reds you think differently right?, actually one or two here could pay for such protests for months, and probably are.

[MobileContent]

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How much are these 'protesters' being paid a day?

Not much really. They follow the crowd and tomorrow is off before they go work on Monday. Do you really think those Bangkok elite would stay only one night at Lumphini? They wouldn;t because they think the same about the Southern people as they think about the Northern people.

[Fat Haggis]

But the benefactor(s) of the Reds can afford to pay all the tens of millions of PTP/UDD supporters for a single day @ 300-500 baht?

There's already a poster here from a red area who said his village received nothing...

It's not the vote buying that needs to change, it's the village life culture that needs to change, as in the head man ruling the roost, and telling everyone what they can and cannot do, but isn't his the same as a mayor? He runs the towns as they see fit along with his chambers?

What the issue here is that many of these villagers are life long friends with these head chaps, and if it comes down to loyalty towards him, or a completely unknown Politician, where do you think they'll lean towards ? This has been the culture for Generations, how does one go about changing that ??

Edited March 29, 2014 by Fat Haggis

[Publicus]

so how many thousands against 20mln voters, millions, who were prevented from voting and millions intimidated by armed and violent mob?

If you want to quote stupid and irrelevant figures then you should refer to the majority of voters that DIDN'T vote for Yingluck

The Democrat Party hasn't won a general election since 1992. That's almost as long as the last time Arsenal won a Cup (1994). That's pretty sorry and sad.

Yep your right

So I guess time for a change

I know I'm right when I say it's looong past time the Democrat Party changed its antiquated ways, reformed itself first, then decided to participate in an election. Either that or it gets trucked off to a museum to its place alongside the other dinosaurs.

[tezzainoz]

Suthep expresses belief more than one million demonstrators join rally

BANGKOK: -- Suthep Thaugsuban, secretary general of the People's Democratic Reform Committee, expressed his belief Saturday that more than one million people have come out or will later join the mass rally.

He was speaking on Blue Sky Channel at 10:30 am while leading the march.

-- The Nation 2014-03-29

Plus on top of that the thousands who lined the streets to cheer and give water to the walkers

Today we saw the Thai people come together to voice the will of the people against years of corruption

The most scary thing about evil and corruption

Is when people and Thai Visa members allow is to continue

I live in a medium village in Udon, and my lounge room today was full of Thais cheering the end of the Thaskin era

But I must admit the large qty of beer we had to celebrate may have attracted a few

Yesssssssssss. 4 out of 4…Well done.

Edit - Stand corrected…Not 4 out of 4...

Sorry Tezz!

so it way 9 out of 10 then

Thanks

great to see your eyes are opening to the real world

[Muhendis]

so how many thousands against 20mln voters, millions, who were prevented from voting and millions intimidated by armed and violent mob?

These are more civilized and orderly than Red Shirt. It shows the level of education. for my money I rather the educated people make decisions than uneducated at anytime

Yes. Me too. I think we all know what the uneducated would be like in government. We just had a few years of it already.....

[BlueNoseCodger]

Errr no the idea comes from the amount of people who keep making claims that the majority want reforms before elections without having put that out there to the populus, I could quite easily say the majority of Thai's think I'm a super sexy hunky bastard based on the 100 women I asked in the Mall in Korat "Do you think I'm super sexy" and 51 said yes.. could I make the claim based on my results that the majority of Thai women think I'm sexy? Hardly!!

I think one of them might have gone off with my wallet after I paid them 100 baht each to vote for my popularity mind you!!

The problem with your analogy is that it always tends to be the ones who cheat steal and lie their way through life that end up with the power Every promise a politician makes such as I'll reduce taxes by 1% is also vote buying as it's been pointed out to me before, vote buying isn't just about handing out cash for a X , and as I said earlier too, how many times does this happen annually that it is of benefit to the voter, 300-500 baht 2-3 times a year isn't a life changing amount.

You do realise that also every party has handed over cash for votes in the past too, and that many consensus's have also said that vote buying doesn't actually have a significant impact on the over all bigger picture..

Now, if my wallet was stolen in a nightclub, with 1000 people there it would be a fair bet that they'd ask a considerable amount if the same thing happened to them and did they spot anyone acting suspicious They certainly wouldn't be going outside and asking anyone in the other bars and clubs if they seen who stole my wallet would they? Using my wallet is such a poor example as the wallet might have been empty as I blew the contents on Grey Goose, and would I really care if the wallet was stolen? I'd just buy another one the next day.

I never carry anything of importance in my wallet apart from hard cash, I don't take any cards out with me, and don't take any ID that can't be replaced, I carry paper copies and my driving licence and that's it, and if I lost the licence it would be a show stopper either.. so unfortunately using my wallet as an analogy was pretty pointless.

Fat Haggis,

how can you be *for* something when nobody has said what that *something* is. As soon as you define that something, and it's different from the imagined something in their heads, how could they have been *for* it in the first place. So they didn't really ask even the 1300 people they polled.

Then there's the implicit false assumption game, a favorite of push pollsters

"Would you support a neutral PM to heal the divisions in Thailand" Yes/No?

The question includes an assumption that there is a 'neutral', and that this "neutral' can heal the divisions in Thailand! What a joke.