Think about it..Thailand ain't so cheap!

[mr chow]

Other than the 'pay for play' aspect of Thailand many many things are cheaper parts of the states. ay

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[kimbathewhitelion]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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[Chiengmaijoe]

Fortunately, not everyone is here for cheap sex and a cheap life. Is it fair to assume you are?

[Chiengmaijoe]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

[kimbathewhitelion]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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[Thighlander]

wine, cheese, cotton products, stainless steel, running shoes, grapes, steak.....to name a few: all cheaper in the US. Plan ahead...and this stuff can be overcome. Things started to decline about the time CNX got whatever #1 ranking it was. Still gotta love the place...went to PP for 2 weeks last summer and it was so <deleted>' dirty.

[heybruce]

Things manufactured outside of ASEAN are generally cheaper in the U.S. than in Thailand, so I stock up when I'm in the U.S. or do without.

An apartment equivalent to the condo I'm renting on Nimmanhamin would be more expensive in most medium size cities in the U.S., or at least more expensive than in cities I'd be willing to live in (I don't know what an apartment rents for in Bakersfield California or Tulsa Oklahoma, and I don't care if they're free, I don't want to live there).

Local food and services are much cheaper in Thailand than in the U.S., and I don't mean the erotic services; I can get basic motorbike repairs done for the equivalent of three to four dollars in Chiang Mai. What will a mechanic in the west do for that price?

My money goes farther in Thailand and I like it here. For the time being I'm staying.

[Chiengmaijoe]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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So what is your definition of expat? Maybe mine is a bit loose, but I'll go with Wikipedia ...

"An expatriate (sometimes shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of the person's upbringing. The word comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("country, fatherland")."

This group is on the rise for sure in chiang Mai. If you only met 1in 4 years then I can only assume you're a hermit. There's nothing wrong with that, not everyone likes or needs company. I hope you aren't including me in the "browsing members that don't live here." If you are you are wide of the mark.

You sound like you are trying to justify your inability to fit in here. Since you are so negative about the place it's probably time for you to move on.

[kimbathewhitelion]

wine, cheese, cotton products, stainless steel, running shoes, grapes, steak.....to name a few: all cheaper in the US. Plan ahead...and this stuff can be overcome. Things started to decline about the time CNX got whatever #1 ranking it was. Still gotta love the place...went to PP for 2 weeks last summer and it was so ' dirty.

Basically EVERYTHING!

But no Property Taxes, Mostly no noticeable Sales Tax (however in a lot places it's all ready included in the price) (but in some Farang Markets such as "Villa" or "Tops" the VAT (7%) mixed with the OWNERS Service Charge (10%) TX can easily equal 17%). Something you see quite often at Corporate restaurants, Shopping Centers, or Restaurants attached to Hotels.

On the other side take Aussie wine which isn't as bad as Italian or Spanish wine but, really quite foul, even with import Taxes, you'll pay (USD) say $6 to $12 a standard 750ml corked bottle. In Thailand, for the same yet already spoiled since Thais do not not anything about transporting wine, pay $30 to $60 per bottle with no refunds. The beef is another rather HUGE issue.

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[kimbathewhitelion]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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So what is your definition of expat? Maybe mine is a bit loose, but I'll go with Wikipedia ...

"An expatriate (sometimes shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of the person's upbringing. The word comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("country, fatherland")."

This group is on the rise for sure in chiang Mai. If you only met 1in 4 years then I can only assume you're a hermit. There's nothing wrong with that, not everyone likes or needs company. I hope you aren't including me in the "browsing members that don't live here." If you are you are wide of the mark.

You sound like you are trying to justify your inability to fit in here. Since you are so negative about the place it's probably time for you to move on.

An Expat (the real American definition but can't imagine it being different elsewhere) is one who breaks away from their own country, removes themselves from voting, social security...basically breaks away. Not responsible for benefits from nor not able to participate in government programs (<deleted> that means today, other than paying taxes) of your country, but a citizen after all..the passport BS remains open. For me to become an expat, I would have to remove ALL residency from the US other than a month a year, give up my Social Security & Medicare (Obama)...so far that's what I remember & bored with researching it up again. WIKI is Wiki but not something I would trust as gold.

Would say go play with your marbles, but take a look for god sake. There're a large amount of people who have property, businesses whatever & live only 6-9 months a year because they have residences & businesses in their own countries. They're world travelers....why am I explaining this to an idiot.. Go travel. Most people in relation to percentage of world population maintain an anchor to their own country.

Blind........uh!!

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[Chiengmaijoe]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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So what is your definition of expat? Maybe mine is a bit loose, but I'll go with Wikipedia ...

"An expatriate (sometimes shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of the person's upbringing. The word comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("country, fatherland")."

This group is on the rise for sure in chiang Mai. If you only met 1in 4 years then I can only assume you're a hermit. There's nothing wrong with that, not everyone likes or needs company. I hope you aren't including me in the "browsing members that don't live here." If you are you are wide of the mark.

You sound like you are trying to justify your inability to fit in here. Since you are so negative about the place it's probably time for you to move on.

An Expat (the real American definition but can't imagine it being different elsewhere) is one who breaks away from their own country, removes themselves from voting, social security...basically breaks away. Not responsible for benefits from nor not able to participate in government programs (<deleted> that means today, other than paying taxes) of your country, but a citizen after all..the passport BS remains open. For me to become an expat, I would have to remove ALL residency from the US other than a month a year, give up my Social Security & Medicare (Obama)...so far that's what I remember & bored with researching it up again. WIKI is Wiki but not something I would trust as gold.

Would say go play with your marbles, but take a look for god sake. There're a large amount of people who have property, businesses whatever & live only 6-9 months a year because they have residences & businesses in their own countries. They're world travelers....why am I explaining this to an idiot.. Go travel. Most people in relation to percentage of world population maintain an anchor to their own country.

Blind........uh!!

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I can see now why you've only met 1 expat in 4 years. Fortunately, I'm not that one.

[Thighlander]

jacob's creek is 160 thb all over america....maybe they will catch on, until then, I can do without wine. Perhaps check out catholic mass...lol.

[kimbathewhitelion]

Jacobs Creek is the best answer to poor people! Didn't read your reply, just saw "Jacobs Creek"... It's the worst of OMG, most Sh't wine to hit California or the US since that Kangaroo label. MIND YOU...made for Junkies.

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[kimbathewhitelion]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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So what is your definition of expat? Maybe mine is a bit loose, but I'll go with Wikipedia ...

"An expatriate (sometimes shortened to expat) is a person temporarily or permanently residing in a country other than that of the person's upbringing. The word comes from the Latin terms ex ("out of") and patria ("country, fatherland")."

This group is on the rise for sure in chiang Mai. If you only met 1in 4 years then I can only assume you're a hermit. There's nothing wrong with that, not everyone likes or needs company. I hope you aren't including me in the "browsing members that don't live here." If you are you are wide of the mark.

You sound like you are trying to justify your inability to fit in here. Since you are so negative about the place it's probably time for you to move on.

An Expat (the real American definition but can't imagine it being different elsewhere) is one who breaks away from their own country, removes themselves from voting, social security...basically breaks away. Not responsible for benefits from nor not able to participate in government programs ( that means today, other than paying taxes) of your country, but a citizen after all..the passport BS remains open. For me to become an expat, I would have to remove ALL residency from the US other than a month a year, give up my Social Security & Medicare (Obama)...so far that's what I remember & bored with researching it up again. WIKI is Wiki but not something I would trust as gold.

Would say go play with your marbles, but take a look for god sake. There're a large amount of people who have property, businesses whatever & live only 6-9 months a year because they have residences & businesses in their own countries. They're world travelers....why am I explaining this to an idiot.. Go travel. Most people in relation to percentage of world population maintain an anchor to their own country.

Blind........uh!!

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I can see now why you've only met 1 expat in 4 years. Fortunately, I'm not that one.

Yes, I like the educated...the thinkers, not the consumed but do accept the obsessive...though another domino fell and another...well we'll see.

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[Chiengmaijoe]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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I'm intrigued. What does the last sentence mean? Why do you need a black friend to play the part of your girlfriend? You say it in a manner that suggests we should know what it means but I'm lost.

[Chiengmaijoe]

Other than imported food and drinks I'm struggling to think what else is more expensive here. If you consider that the major expenses of a house (rented or bought or built), a vehicle , clothing, healthcare, schooling, energy, transportation, etc are all cheaper here then even taking the cost of imported foods into account it's still way cheaper than back home for most of us.

I'm not here because it's cheap , but it is an added bonus.

[northernjohn]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Unfortunately. That is why they have so long a time to get there extension.

[northernjohn]

Just figuring that out now? Been this way for at least the past 4 years & it's going up price while the quality continues to drop. Also the lies from either Thai or Foreigner businesses are only increasing with broader smiles. Think the why more people want to jump ship.

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I think you'll find that the expat numbers are still rising.

Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Maybe the mixed Tourist numbers with the short-term 3-8 month backpackers, seeking investors, sex fiends or world travelers are growing; or even the worker base as more foreign companies are bringing over foreign workers...but that is money, not Expats. Boggles the mind that there are so many browsing members on this form who don't even live here & lessor of education that they don't even know the definition of an expat. Worst are Europeans with over-judgement based on just walking around. Will have to go further into Europe one day if I can stomach it & make my own survey...just have to convince one of my black friends to play the part of my girlfriend.

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Actually, still in 4 years, only met 1 Expat, but met many who already fled to Vietnam, few to Laos & less to Cambodia. I haven't broken away & denounced my citizenship yet so not an Expat; & considering all the people I've met here either work via international companies or collect pensions from their own countries, also are not, so where exactly are you getting your information?

Sounds to me like you spend most of your time out of Thailand.

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[Chiengmaijoe]

Messed up quotes!

[wolfmanjack]

It all depends on how you live.

The only things that I find expensive here that i like to have on a regular basis are wine, cheese and beer.

[Chiengmaijoe]

An Expat (the real American definition but can't imagine it being different elsewhere) is one who breaks away from their own country, removes themselves from voting, social security...basically breaks away. Not responsible for benefits from nor not able to participate in government programs (<deleted> that means today, other than paying taxes) of your country, but a citizen after all..the passport BS remains open. For me to become an expat, I would have to remove ALL residency from the US other than a month a year, give up my Social Security & Medicare (Obama)...so far that's what I remember & bored with researching it up again. WIKI is Wiki but not something I would trust as gold.

Would say go play with your marbles, but take a look for god sake. There're a large amount of people who have property, businesses whatever & live only 6-9 months a year because they have residences & businesses in their own countries. They're world travelers....why am I explaining this to an idiot.. Go travel. Most people in relation to percentage of world population maintain an anchor to their own country.

Blind........uh!!

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Your definition of expat is just that..... Yours, and no one else's. I love your statement that you couldn't imagine anyone having another definition other than the real American one. That's a classic that surely would be an embarrassment to most educated Americans.

The Oxford English Dictionary also simply defines it as someone living or working abroad as does practically every other definition I could find. Not one mentions voting or social security. Maybe English isn't your native language (some of your sentences and grammar suggest that) but I think you'll find that you are confusing Expatriate with Immigrant.

Having considered myself as being an expatriate for the last 30 years it would come as a big surprise to find that I've been deluding myself.

[wolfmanjack]

An Expat (the real American definition but can't imagine it being different elsewhere) is one who breaks away from their own country, removes themselves from voting, social security...basically breaks away. Not responsible for benefits from nor not able to participate in government programs (<deleted> that means today, other than paying taxes) of your country, but a citizen after all..the passport BS remains open. For me to become an expat, I would have to remove ALL residency from the US other than a month a year, give up my Social Security & Medicare (Obama)...so far that's what I remember & bored with researching it up again. WIKI is Wiki but not something I would trust as gold.

Would say go play with your marbles, but take a look for god sake. There're a large amount of people who have property, businesses whatever & live only 6-9 months a year because they have residences & businesses in their own countries. They're world travelers....why am I explaining this to an idiot.. Go travel. Most people in relation to percentage of world population maintain an anchor to their own country.

Blind........uh!!

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Your definition of expat is just that..... Yours, and no one else's. I love your statement that you couldn't imagine anyone having another definition other than the real American one. That's a classic that surely would be an embarrassment to most educated Americans.

The Oxford English Dictionary also simply defines it as someone living or working abroad as does practically every other definition I could find. Not one mentions voting or social security. Maybe English isn't your native language (some of your sentences and grammar suggest that) but I think you'll find that you are confusing Expatriate with Immigrant.

Having considered myself as being an expatriate for the last 30 years it would come as a big surprise to find that I've been deluding myself.

I am an american and my definition matches yours.

I am pretty sure that most of the people in the chiang mai expats club have not given up all ties to their home country.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I'm intrigued. What does the last sentence mean? Why do you need a black friend to play the part of your girlfriend? You say it in a manner that suggests we should know what it means but I'm lost.

He's drunk. And trolling. And can't find a dictionary to look up Expat. And posted the same topic twice.

On the bright side, he's leaving.

wine, cheese, cotton products, stainless steel, running shoes, grapes, steak.....to name a few: all cheaper in the US. Plan ahead...and this stuff can be overcome. Things started to decline about the time CNX got whatever #1 ranking it was. Still gotta love the place...went to PP for 2 weeks last summer and it was so <deleted>' dirty.

Not sure you were around 15-20 years ago, but some products you just couldn't get, period. Or if you could they were priced insanely expensive. If anything the prices for things like cheese went down, with more choice available. But yes, these remain imported luxury delicatessen items, for which there is a very limited local market. So the price is higher compared to markets where these are locally produced, for a very large local market. It would be very strange if it was the other way around.

In short, to benefit from cheaper pricing, you have to be happy with local products. Or you pay the premium for imported items, but then you don't get to complain about price. Take your pick.

[mr chow]

Ok. Just for the &$@: of it let's compare FLORIDA to Chiang Mai.

1) many many houses for $60,000-80,000usd (nice)

2) real estate taxes $600 per yr.

3) cars both new and used cheaper. Especially used!

4) all farang food cheaper. ALL

5) cable, internet, wi-if cheaper $12 per month land line unlimited $50 per month no contract unlimited cell phone

6) golf much Cheaper

7) Duke's menu at a restaurant in Florida cheaper. Steaks, pizza, Mexican!

8) Clothes cheaper and have SIZES!!

And.......weather better and air you can breathe

Oh, thai food is more expensive in Florida!

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[WinnieTheKhwai]

> Ok. Just for the &$@: of it let's compare FLORIDA to Chiang Mai.
1) many many houses for $60,000-80,000usd (nice)

For easy comparison let's stick with rents, as most people won't (or can't) buy a house in Thailand. For example: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_rent/house_type/days_sort/27.016925,-79.990082,26.275561,-80.92804_rect/9_zm/

2) real estate taxes $600 per yr.

Real estate taxes... I didn't even know that was a thing.

3) cars both new and used cheaper. Especially used!

Until the used car breaks down and you need to get it fixed in Florida.

4) all farang food cheaper. ALL

Surprise!

5) cable, internet, wi-if cheaper $12 per month land line unlimited $50 per month no contract unlimited cell phone

I'm on $12 ADSL and $20 phone bills. Florida Internet will be faster though. However you're still forum-posting at the same general rate of productivity so that's relative.

6) golf much Cheaper

Really?

7) Duke's menu at a restaurant in Florida cheaper. Steaks, pizza, Mexican!

You're repeating point 4. Duke's is fancy foreign food here, remember?

8) Clothes cheaper and have SIZES!!

You must be pretty big. For everyone else, clothes are such a low expense it's hard to even find it back on a monthly budget.

[jonwilly]

The 'Basic' things in life, Water, Electricity & Simple food will always be cheaper over here.

They have to be for the local population.

john

[Ulysses G.]

Thailand is waaay cheaper than living in San Francisco, which is where I came from. I can live a very comfortable lifestyle here with restaurant meals, Internet and utilities for what I would pay just for rent on a small studio apartment in the Bay Area. There is no comparison.

[luther]

pretty good comparison site...

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Thailand

[Ulysses G.]

pretty good comparison site...

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Thailand

It looks like Thailand is cheap after all.

[hanno]

If you feel you need all these imported things, than sure Thailand is more expensive.

On the other hand, heaps of stuff are considerably cheaper.

Oh and thanks for the comparison luther.