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After all the complaints about the anti-Govt protests from the red shirt supporters these past months, I'm surprised they don't now see the hypocrisy in these new PT/UDD lead protests. We're one step closer to civil war.

The anti-government protesters, many of whose leaders could go suck an egg, as far as I'm concerned, at least targeted public/government buildings in government districts of Bangkok. This UDD occupation is targeting a religious area. Not just the park but the entire district is under royal protection as a religious district. This is the UDD version of the Bolsheviks confiscating the churches and turning them into museums of Commu

Wasn't part of the reason for the 2006 coup Thaksin trying to undermine the royalty?

Thaksin's supporters would claim not, everyone else who isn't brainwashed would say yes.

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The anti-government protesters, many of whose leaders could go suck an egg, as far as I'm concerned, at least targeted public/government buildings in government districts of Bangkok. This UDD occupation is targeting a religious area. Not just the park but the entire district is under royal protection as a religious district. This is the UDD version of the Bolsheviks confiscating the churches and turning them into museums of Communism.

doesn't make you to think, that the reds do have a permission to hold a rally at uthayan rd and that their purpose is rather to protect than attack the area?

the road is at the very outskirts of bangkok, it's underused (closing it won't affect much traffic in the area). It's often used for festivities, fairs, for example is used for songkran, children's day celebrations.

puthamonthon park won't be used, so no trampling on the grass - the most it will be used as a parking space, because it has large designated parking areas.

over all, much less impact on the city, environment than if the rally was organised closer to town or in the town centre itself. It doesn't obstruct or "shut down" anything and is much a nicer place to spend a few hours in relaxed settings.

you read too much into what is being said, overacting emotionally

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They learned from the stadium fiasco that bangkok will not welcome them like they did in 2010, once bitten twice shy.

Should have just stayed in the red villages...

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After all the complaints about the anti-Govt protests from the red shirt supporters these past months, I'm surprised they don't now see the hypocrisy in these new PT/UDD lead protests. We're one step closer to civil war.

The anti-government protesters, many of whose leaders could go suck an egg, as far as I'm concerned, at least targeted public/government buildings in government districts of Bangkok. This UDD occupation is targeting a religious area. Not just the park but the entire district is under royal protection as a religious district. This is the UDD version of the Bolsheviks confiscating the churches and turning them into museums of Communism.

LOL, aren't you the drama queen.

It is not targeting a religious area. Rather it is an area that will cause the least disruption to the lives of Bangkok residents. You laud the targeting of the government buildings and the location of the PDRC protests. Unfortunately, that targeting and location disrupted the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. The UDD rally site, won't have as negative impact.

In respect to your allegation of a Bolshevik strategy, are you aware that many of those temples were built with the money and labour of the very people you accuse? Organized religion n Thailand has acted to keep the have nots in their "place". It can be argued, quite successfully, that once many of the temples became mercantile operations and not places of religion, the temples lost their moral right to claim special status. Remember the story of Jesus, entering the temple and casting out the merchants? There's a point in that story, although, I suspect you would have called Jesus a Bolshevik too. In any case, the rally participants have no plans to "seize" any wats, nor has their ever been a history of such activity. If you want to go to one of the wats and pray before to a porcelain deity, or request a magical amulet, I'm quite certain that none of the rally participants would stop you.

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Mr J. is certainly earning his promotion, over the past few weeks, isn't he ? bah.gif

Not a good sign for the future, when people like this are positioned and tasked to attack the courts & rule-of-law, such as it is here.

But hey, it's all about democracy and helping the poor people, not just one disgraced overseas-criminal and his close-family hang onto power at all costs, right ? wink.png

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Is it just me or does Jatuporn's words and posturing not indicate he's just itching for it all to kick off and he can unleash his hordes ? Not that he'll need much of an excuse.

You're right. Words mean things. He has not changed one bit since he stood on the stage in 2010 and instructed the reds in the provinces to meet at the provincial halls, make your own decisions and get the job done. We all know what happened next. Jatuporn thrives on violence, always has and always will.

Not exactly. He expresses what millions upon millions of Thai people feel. In a country where the have nots are not given a fair chance to become haves, the discontent and resentment is palpable. People like you constantly put down the UDD as poor and uneducated. Well, they are poor and uneducated because of the system wide obstacles that keeps them from improving themselves. Some of the wealthiest people in Thailand, who coincidentally back Suthep, use large amounts of cheap unskilled labour. If over the course of 5 years, that labour pool decreased, it would cause economic hardship for the group who control much of Thailand's industrial base. A large part of Thailand's economy is still based on cheap agriculture and factory labour. Who else would accept the nasty working conditions at a poultry or fish processing plant? Who else would accept to work in a chemical sector where health and safety are not as much of a priority as profits? Thailand is on the cusp of a severe labour shortage and it is in the economic best interests of the small oligarchy to keep a large portion of the population marginalized and without power to improve their lives.

You don't want to hear this, and perhaps you will say it is "commie" talk. Well, I am not a commie. I believe in hard work, equal opportunity and a fair wage for an honest day's work. Anyone who has any understanding of how the Thai economy is structured can see that it is intentionally biased against the workers. There is no redress, no voice for the lower wage workers. There is no voice for the disabled and the elderly without financial means. The UDD provides an outlet for these people to voice their concern. If you haven't yet understood that millions of Thais resent not being given a fair chance, then you don't understand what has been going on for the past decade.

so millions will be there at the rally then..all demanding a slice of the pie...no is the correct answer..and you know why ..

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when there is no live coverage of this "rehersal" red rally on Television or news outlets then you will know it has been a complete and utter flop - which is what I fully expect, the reds have lost support except for a few hardline thugs who would be up to no good no matter, they have lost massive support from the decent Thai people who want nothing to do with them because of their extreme views and violent mandate and the fact that the red leaders are getting very very rich at their expence

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Isn't Jatuporn out on bail?

If so, after all his threats against the courts, not to mention leading an 'army', why has his bail not been revoked?

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It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

The Post also suggests that Thaksin is complaining that National Police Chief Adul has defected to the opposition. Rats leaving a sinking ship I wonder.

Could you expand a bit on what "the Post" is? The Bangkok Post had neither of these items in any form or manner. I'm sure you didn't make them up. But no (reputable) newspaper including the Bangkok Post has reported, written or intimated any such order from Chalerm, for example. I'm just wondering if you are confused, because your posts are certainly confusing.

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Not exactly. He expresses what millions upon millions of Thai people feel. In a country where the have nots are not given a fair chance to become haves, the discontent and resentment is palpable. People like you constantly put down the UDD as poor and uneducated. Well, they are poor and uneducated because of the system wide obstacles that keeps them from improving themselves. Some of the wealthiest people in Thailand, who coincidentally back Suthep, use large amounts of cheap unskilled labour. If over the course of 5 years, that labour pool decreased, it would cause economic hardship for the group who control much of Thailand's industrial base. A large part of Thailand's economy is still based on cheap agriculture and factory labour. Who else would accept the nasty working conditions at a poultry or fish processing plant? Who else would accept to work in a chemical sector where health and safety are not as much of a priority as profits? Thailand is on the cusp of a severe labour shortage and it is in the economic best interests of the small oligarchy to keep a large portion of the population marginalized and without power to improve their lives...

More likely non-existent millions. Or the 'millions' which turned up in Ayutthaya while ago to show their support for ever fading movement? I do believe that they lost a lot of support after their blind followers killed kids in Bangkok and Trat. Cheering it on the stage was a monumental mistake of theirs. It exposed the movement to the bare bone.

I think that multinational companies and western corporations profit more from Thai cheap labour. I don't hear western foreign investors complaining about health and safety issues in Thailand because they don't want to incur extra cost. They don't give monkeys about Thailand and Thais. All they care for is profit.

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The mass rally which is due to start Saturday and end on Monday is just a test of strength, said Jatuporn, adding “if this time around we can get 500,000 people, next time one million people will not be a problem”.

He noted that the mass rally was necessary to send a message to the Constitutional Court that the red-shirt followers would not let the court to seize power from the parliament, the government and the people.

The rally is just a test to see if they can afford a prolonged rally.

Thaksin is starting to worry about the cost.

Jatuporn makes a mud fence look intelligent. The Constitutional Court knows the red shirts are opposed to them all ready.

It is just a reminder for the red shirts what it they are supposed to think as they are not exactly a gifted bunch.

A look behind the scenes show's us a very frightened Thaksin. He is down to one leader and it is only a court jester.facepalm.gif

There is a very interesting article in another paper today that includes the statement:

'According to Thaksin, the worst thing happening in the current struggle is that national police chief Adul Saengsingkaew has apparently defected to the opposing camp. The government is losing control over the police force which was once under its thumb'.

Anyone have more information on Adul's "defection"? Is it true?

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It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

The Post also suggests that Thaksin is complaining that National Police Chief Adul has defected to the opposition. Rats leaving a sinking ship I wonder.

Could you expand a bit on what "the Post" is? The Bangkok Post had neither of these items in any form or manner. I'm sure you didn't make them up. But no (reputable) newspaper including the Bangkok Post has reported, written or intimated any such order from Chalerm, for example. I'm just wondering if you are confused, because your posts are certainly confusing.

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Read the other paper properly. It's there, in detail, in a long and well-argued article posted today. If you can't find it, you are the one who is confused.

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Not exactly. He expresses what millions upon millions of Thai people feel. In a country where the have nots are not given a fair chance to become haves, the discontent and resentment is palpable. People like you constantly put down the UDD as poor and uneducated. Well, they are poor and uneducated because of the system wide obstacles that keeps them from improving themselves. Some of the wealthiest people in Thailand, who coincidentally back Suthep, use large amounts of cheap unskilled labour. If over the course of 5 years, that labour pool decreased, it would cause economic hardship for the group who control much of Thailand's industrial base. A large part of Thailand's economy is still based on cheap agriculture and factory labour. Who else would accept the nasty working conditions at a poultry or fish processing plant? Who else would accept to work in a chemical sector where health and safety are not as much of a priority as profits? Thailand is on the cusp of a severe labour shortage and it is in the economic best interests of the small oligarchy to keep a large portion of the population marginalized and without power to improve their lives...

More likely non-existent millions. Or the 'millions' which turned up in Ayutthaya while ago to show their support for ever fading movement? I do believe that they lost a lot of support after their blind followers killed kids in Bangkok and Trat. Cheering it on the stage was a monumental mistake of theirs. It exposed the movement to the bare bone.

I think that multinational companies and western corporations profit more from Thai cheap labour. I don't hear western foreign investors complaining about health and safety issues in Thailand because they don't want to incur extra cost. They don't give monkeys about Thailand and Thais. All they care for is profit.

They seem to be intimidating factory owners in Mahachai to bus in their Burmese workers for the event. Most of them can be easily shut down by Chalerm's Labour Ministry for hiring undocumented labour, if they decline to cooperate. The labour portfolio turned out to be useful after all, although Chalerm cried like a baby when he was transferred there.

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The Reds are divided in different groups since the first day.

Then many went the wrong way to stay near to Pue Thai Party.

With Jatuporn as new UDD leader, i guess more people will walk away.

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It's interesting to note the Post's comments today that Labour Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Capo di Tutti Capi Pol Captain Dr Chalerm Yoobamrung LLD has just relaxed regulations on overstaying labourers from neighbouring countries prior to ordering Labour Ministry officials to encourage factory owners in the Mahachai area to send their Burmese workers to join the red shirt rehearsal rally in Aksa Road. One can imagine that the relaxed regulations might not apply to factory owners who decline this kind invitation.

The Post also suggests that Thaksin is complaining that National Police Chief Adul has defected to the opposition. Rats leaving a sinking ship I wonder.

Could you expand a bit on what "the Post" is? The Bangkok Post had neither of these items in any form or manner. I'm sure you didn't make them up. But no (reputable) newspaper including the Bangkok Post has reported, written or intimated any such order from Chalerm, for example. I'm just wondering if you are confused, because your posts are certainly confusing.

You'll find the references in today's Bangkok Post P. 13 in the "About Politics" column. With my compliments. Enjoy.

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After all the complaints about the anti-Govt protests from the red shirt supporters these past months, I'm surprised they don't now see the hypocrisy in these new PT/UDD lead protests. We're one step closer to civil war.


The anti-government protesters, many of whose leaders could go suck an egg, as far as I'm concerned, at least targeted public/government buildings in government districts of Bangkok. This UDD occupation is targeting a religious area. Not just the park but the entire district is under royal protection as a religious district. This is the UDD version of the Bolsheviks confiscating the churches and turning them into museums of Communism.

LOL, aren't you the drama queen.

It is not targeting a religious area. Rather it is an area that will cause the least disruption to the lives of Bangkok residents. You laud the targeting of the government buildings and the location of the PDRC protests. Unfortunately, that targeting and location disrupted the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. The UDD rally site, won't have as negative impact.

In respect to your allegation of a Bolshevik strategy, are you aware that many of those temples were built with the money and labour of the very people you accuse? Organized religion n Thailand has acted to keep the have nots in their "place". It can be argued, quite successfully, that once many of the temples became mercantile operations and not places of religion, the temples lost their moral right to claim special status. Remember the story of Jesus, entering the temple and casting out the merchants? There's a point in that story, although, I suspect you would have called Jesus a Bolshevik too. In any case, the rally participants have no plans to "seize" any wats, nor has their ever been a history of such activity. If you want to go to one of the wats and pray before to a porcelain deity, or request a magical amulet, I'm quite certain that none of the rally participants would stop you.

Yeah yeah yeah gkid.

What's your specifc comment on:

- The massive corruption involved in the rice scam?

- The fact that a million poor farmers have not been paid and have now been silenced?

All directly linked to your beloved paymaster and his 'get real rich real quick club' pt thieves.

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Does Jatuporn have any political ideology, and understanding of democracy? What have his contributions to developing democracy been?

Anyone car to give an answer?

Also for The Thai Rouge supporters, have the farmers been paid yet? Spalpeen continued to avoid that question yesterday.

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Does Jatuporn have any political ideology, and understanding of democracy? What have his contributions to developing democracy been?

Anyone car to give an answer?

Also for The Thai Rouge supporters, have the farmers been paid yet? Spalpeen continued to avoid that question yesterday.

spalpeen (ˈspælpiːn)

n
a rascal or layabout
[C18: from Irish Gaelic]
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"...red-shirt followers would not let the court to seize power from the parliament, the government and the people." Again, as I said in another post, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Like it or not, some form of uprising WILL happen. The bigger question is, how violent will the violence be? And how long will it last? I just wish all these groups can be transported to an empty island and be allowed to do what they wish upon the other. Better still, do it comprehensively so there is no need for a clean-up crew to go in later. This leaves people who wishes to move on with life in the real world, the liberty to do so.

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It will be interesting to see the real number of participant. Some reds leaders from north and northern province admit that the target of 500 000 protester is not possible to reach. They say northern people are bored from politic and not want to fight for this cause because YL and PT put themselves in this difficult position with rice scheme and illegal transfer of Tawil

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"He noted that the mass rally was necessary to send a message to the Constitutional Court that the red-shirt followers would not let the court to seize power from the parliament, the government and the people."

Or enforce the law by punishing the guilty.

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