Victory day soon: Suthep

[ginjag]

A Victory? For Who? For shure not for the people.

He would better go back to his Province looking after the poor infrastructure, especially, water and electricity.

Why blame him, your 3 years of government should have taken care of that instead of losing 1 trillion on this that and the other. Get thinking and putting the blame on the people responsible for taking care of the country.

[Why ask]

It's really only going to be VB-Day, as the reds will kick off before it's all over. Rest assured of that, as Jutaporn's at the helm.

[pmugghc]

Clearly, the media is more interested in Suthep demagoguery than in getting its reporters to the first major red shirt rally anywhere near Bangkok since the end of last year.

There are photo's of the humongous RS rally floating about in some media and the Internet...Perhaps someone more capable than I could post them here......instead, showing a photo of someone hugging Suthep as in this article. This is hugely telling of where media sympathies lie, and which images they want to avoid.

Some more excerpts of Jatuporn's speech:

We will fight if the country becomes undemocratic."

"The Thai people have reached the point of no hope, because we are now aware of the repeated deceptions," Mr Jatuporn told reporters afterward.

"What we are most concerned about, what we want to warn all sides against, is a civil war, which we do not want to happen. ... It will happen if there is a coup and democracy is stolen."

Just a thought for those pulling the strings of the judicial and Independent Organizations to consider.

That "humongous" RS rally photo was a photoshopped fake. The real number of demonstrators was estimated (by police/military) to be 35,000 according to Bkk Post.

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Edited April 6, 2014 by pmugghc

[englishoak]

He's getting tiresome as well as egotistical.

[catmac]

"Suthep yesterday said that as "the people's medium", he would nominate a new prime minister for royal endorsement.

He said following that a "people's assembly" would be set up to reform the country by amending the Constitution and relevant laws, before a new election would be organised."

Finally completely flipped. It would be kind just to take him away to a nice little retreat overlooking the coast where he can tell the tides what do.

Or carry on with his dodgy land deals!

[Scamper]

Without Suthep - Yingluck, Pheu Thai, and Thaksin would undoubtedly still be fully in legislative control. Period. Although there was an outcry of anger throughout the country after the Thaksin amnesty bill was passed, it never would have come to this without the purposeful organizing skills and wherewithal of Suthep. Period. He has brought the country to a point of change that would have been considered unthinkable just six months ago. Period.

Like Thaksin, he is not perfect. And like Thaksin, he can say some pretty stupid things. But one man wants to secure permanent control of the political direction of the country for himself and his family, through his money and influence. The other does not - nor has ever sought - such a role, for himself, his family, his associates, or his friends. Thaksin sees himself - and Thaksin's supporters see him, as well - as the end product of the democratic process. Suthep does not see himself that way. Suthep - like many, many Thais - see what Thaksin's influence and corruption has done, and he - like many, many other Thais - want the country to be rid of that. Suthep would not have garnered the support he has if he had not tapped into a very strong populous sentiment that was already there.

Despite all his rhetoric - with all its frills and flourishes - Suthep knows at the end of the day that he will not be participating in the nomination of a prime ministerial candidate for royal endorsement ! He knows that the Senate - through the powers invested in Articles 172 and 173 - are much more likely to do that. The Constitutional Court is specifically studying these very articles, as they are a key part of the petition that was filed that they agreed to consider. The unanimous ruling by the Supreme Administrative Court makes it almost inevitable that the Constitutional Court will affirm that ruling.

Pheu Thai's supporters mirror the sentiments of Jatuporn. ( Some even quote him ! ) It's the point of no return, really. Once you start quoting Jatuporn, you've pretty much lost any possible connection with reality. Only medication could help. But for others not quite so far gone, consider what happens if Thaksin's influence becomes cemented - and what that would mean to judicial oversight. The independent agencies would be the first under attack. Then a push to appoint judges more " favourable " to them would follow. The Senate bill was in itself a strong indication of the push to cement power. Is that the kind of thing you really want ? Do you really want a situation where any imaginable project that involves massive amounts of graft can be just pushed through bypassing parliamentary oversight, allowing MPs to vote multiple times ? And the creme de la creme - not having any independent agencies to be able to put a stop to any of it ? Is that really and truly what you want ?

If so, continue to quote Jataporn. He's on the same page as you are.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Scamper

[ginjag]

"Suthep yesterday said that as "the people's medium", he would nominate a new prime minister for royal endorsement.

He said following that a "people's assembly" would be set up to reform the country by amending the Constitution and relevant laws, before a new election would be organised."

Finally completely flipped. It would be kind just to take him away to a nice little retreat overlooking the coast where he can tell the tides what do.

Or carry on with his dodgy land deals!

You both are forgetting the biggest dodgy deals, but bad government is something some people cannot get their heads round.

Prevention better than remedy any day.

[larsjohnsson]

A Victory? For Who? For shure not for the people.

He would better go back to his Province looking after the poor infrastructure, especially, water and electricity.

A victory for Suthep and his bank account

[Fat Haggis]

Whooo Hooo look at Scamps go, with his paragraphing !! Things are looking up indeed!!

I'd like to hear what Abhisit has to say about a PM elect after all he IS the leader of a Political Party and should have a greater say than Suthep, there's no doubt that the caretakers government's time is up, and I do wonder what will all the TVF fans do once all the protests are over, there will be <deleted> all left to talk about

[Thai at Heart]

That reads like Suthep was having an out of body experience.

Was he really talking about the PDRC appointing a leader and returning democracy to the people? Was he having a senior moment when he talked about the people supporting his committee because they were sick of s lack of democracy.

I think he is starting to talk in tongues.

well I guess it depends which side of the fence you are sitting on

One mans trash is another mans treasure

I also have my opinions but they have no basis, same as you in Thailand

I feel Suthep has no right to chose a caretaker PM, but the People do

But as I have a Thai wife I can give my opinions to her, and she can act on my behalf

The only think we have at the moment is that the courts may decide Yingluck is corrupt and make a start to a new Reform for Thailand

On the other side Thaiskin only chance is blood shed for the Thai people by violence and pray we have a coup so he can blame this on the army

TVF members now have a choice

stand for the law and the courts

Or back violence because of this made up democracy by the ballot box

Just my opinion

We don't have to choose anything. Who are "the people". No one has asked them what they would like Suthep to do.

[Thai at Heart]

Isn't it funny that the people bleating on about a "judicial coup" are the same ones that insist there are no mechanisms for removing a government that is cheating and stealing from the Thai people. You can see where their (one would hope misplaced out of ignorance) loyalties lie.

Call it what ever you want, however, there has to be mechanisms in place for removing corrupt politicians and/or their parties from office.

Otherwise you have what is going on at the moment. A handful of families raping the country and the masses living on credit just to get by.

Those who support this corrupt government should be thrown in the gaol as well.

Ask Suthep what the he mechanism.should be for.removing corrupt politicians. He has first hand experience.

[Old Man River]

On another note, I agree Suthep seems to have lost the plot just a bit, however what suggestions do people have to choose an interim PM/Govt when that time comes? Ask HM to choose and appoint an independent body who then choose the rest of the temporary Govt? Or would that not be acceptable also?

Give power to the Army on the back of the courts dealing to the current brothel of a mess. Thai politic parties and most they contain are are mostly morally and politically corrupt - they are a basket case. They need stood down for several years. Only this time around, (and I think the Army are now wise enough to understand the basic principles of democracy), the One who will decide should direct the Army to act as facilitator while thai's from all spectrums and not just politics, select some leaders from their mists, nut out their Constitution, laws for equal meaningful punishment for unlawful activity including corruption, reforms of justice and police divisions, process by which elections will be held when ready...etc.

Thaksin's continued incompetent and corrupt circus's or Sutheps's delusion grandeur. One is as bad as the other no matter how right Suthep is regards the Shinawatra soi dogs.

Roadman, Wrong idea at the wrong time! A military coup now would do far more harm to Thailand than this nutcase sutthep could ever do

I don't see a military coup anywhere in the picture.

Trying to skate around what is appropriate on TV, the RS have chosen a location near the Crown Prince's palace and several are wearing t shirts saying they love the Crown Prince. Anyone who really knows Thailand knows the significance of this. If you don't do some research. TV is not the place for this discussion.

Separately, yesterday, Suthep announced if YL is removed by either of the CC or the NACC with Senate approval, he will forward a name for PM (whatever you call it when non elected), to HM the King for ratification. This name is not known and I am not going to pass on rumors. If this person is ratified, then it was reported that the assets of the Shinawatra family will be seized and they won't be able to go abroad until they report to "us". It goes on, but things are heating up.

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[Tatsujin]

On another note, I agree Suthep seems to have lost the plot just a bit, however what suggestions do people have to choose an interim PM/Govt when that time comes? Ask HM to choose and appoint an independent body who then choose the rest of the temporary Govt? Or would that not be acceptable also?

Give power to the Army on the back of the courts dealing to the current brothel of a mess. Thai politic parties and most they contain are are mostly morally and politically corrupt - they are a basket case. They need stood down for several years. Only this time around, (and I think the Army are now wise enough to understand the basic principles of democracy), the One who will decide should direct the Army to act as facilitator while thai's from all spectrums and not just politics, select some leaders from their mists, nut out their Constitution, laws for equal meaningful punishment for unlawful activity including corruption, reforms of justice and police divisions, process by which elections will be held when ready...etc.

Thaksin's continued incompetent and corrupt circus's or Sutheps's delusion grandeur. One is as bad as the other no matter how right Suthep is regards the Shinawatra soi dogs.

Roadman, Wrong idea at the wrong time! A military coup now would do far more harm to Thailand than this nutcase sutthep could ever do

I don't see a military coup anywhere in the picture.

Trying to skate around what is appropriate on TV, the RS have chosen a location near the Crown Prince's palace and several are wearing t shirts saying they love the Crown Prince. Anyone who really knows Thailand knows the significance of this. If you don't do some research. TV is not the place for this discussion.

Separately, yesterday, Suthep announced if YL is removed by either of the CC or the NACC with Senate approval, he will forward a name for PM (whatever you call it when non elected), to HM the King for ratification. This name is not known and I am not going to pass on rumors. If this person is ratified, then it was reported that the assets of the Shinawatra family will be seized and they won't be able to go abroad until they report to "us". It goes on, but things are heating up.

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Good to see some others here capable of reading between some of the lines and connecting some of the dots.

The location and the shirts say a lot. And from what I hear, there is a strong possibility this will get very nasty and could result in an actual civil war with supporters of the Monarchy on very different sides.

[Rimmer]

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[sweatalot]

Thankyou Suthep for all the protesting that has virtually ruined my business.

I feel sorry for your loss.

But you should not blame Suthep.

Blame an uncapable and criminal "government" that made protests inavoidable

and did not even have the honor to step down in time.

You are not alone, think about the rice farmers.

I hope after a better government is installed you will get help.

Would you expect this from the present "government" - you would not - except you are a redshirt / PTP

Edited April 6, 2014 by sweatalot

[sweatalot]

Sad that this crackpot is the best that Thailand can put up as a "leader."

I doubt he is a crackpot.

Anyway, virtually anybody who has nothing to do with this "government", its party and its militia is better than the present "government"

[bigbamboo]

On the plus side I suppose if there is to be such a day at least they'll have a proper use for the Victory Monument.

[Thai at Heart]

On the plus side I suppose if there is to be such a day at least they'll have a proper use for the Victory Monument.

The victory of the minory appointed committee over democracy.

That might take a bit more spin than the original monument story.

[Smokemachine]

Seriously, i also suspect it is a judicial coup.

Come on All the red supporters!!

Let's invite the whole world and the international experts, lawyers to witness this coming court cases.

Let the whole world know it is a judicial coup.

Shall we!??

And also invite Mr Thaksin back as well since he is also been framed for his corruption cases as politically motivated according to his words.

We must bring justice to them. They are all innocent. How dare the rest make a judicial coup.

The whole world must know they are been framed.

[Bakseeda]

Thankyou Suthep for all the protesting that has virtually ruined my business.

Alfred, the NOT SO Great, (businessman) you are not the only one... But I am more than willing to suffer my losses in silence... When Suthep succedes and Thailand rids itself of the Shinewatras all will not have been in vain... Rock on the Thai peoples...

[FangFerang]

How bizarre. We have a group of reactionaries who crave the days when Issan darkies knew their place, and didn't vote, who are fighting a group who knows how to rape democracy better than Americans – and that is saying a LOT. The reactionaries keep uttering edicts and demands, and the democrazies keep uttering threats from their moral high ground.

I have to utter a word that is a Thai swear word, and forbidden even in the West:

Compromise ....you fools, before you take things so far that it becomes a blood feud with an ever-growing chorus of martyrs.

Martyrs cannot be silenced......

Edited April 6, 2014 by FangFerang

[Old Man River]

On another note, I agree Suthep seems to have lost the plot just a bit, however what suggestions do people have to choose an interim PM/Govt when that time comes? Ask HM to choose and appoint an independent body who then choose the rest of the temporary Govt? Or would that not be acceptable also?

Give power to the Army on the back of the courts dealing to the current brothel of a mess. Thai politic parties and most they contain are are mostly morally and politically corrupt - they are a basket case. They need stood down for several years. Only this time around, (and I think the Army are now wise enough to understand the basic principles of democracy), the One who will decide should direct the Army to act as facilitator while thai's from all spectrums and not just politics, select some leaders from their mists, nut out their Constitution, laws for equal meaningful punishment for unlawful activity including corruption, reforms of justice and police divisions, process by which elections will be held when ready...etc.

Thaksin's continued incompetent and corrupt circus's or Sutheps's delusion grandeur. One is as bad as the other no matter how right Suthep is regards the Shinawatra soi dogs.

Roadman, Wrong idea at the wrong time! A military coup now would do far more harm to Thailand than this nutcase sutthep could ever do

I don't see a military coup anywhere in the picture.

Trying to skate around what is appropriate on TV, the RS have chosen a location near the Crown Prince's palace and several are wearing t shirts saying they love the Crown Prince. Anyone who really knows Thailand knows the significance of this. If you don't do some research. TV is not the place for this discussion.

Separately, yesterday, Suthep announced if YL is removed by either of the CC or the NACC with Senate approval, he will forward a name for PM (whatever you call it when non elected), to HM the King for ratification. This name is not known and I am not going to pass on rumors. If this person is ratified, then it was reported that the assets of the Shinawatra family will be seized and they won't be able to go abroad until they report to "us". It goes on, but things are heating up.

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Good to see some others here capable of reading between some of the lines and connecting some of the dots.

The location and the shirts say a lot. And from what I hear, there is a strong possibility this will get very nasty and could result in an actual civil war with supporters of the Monarchy on very different sides.

From what I read, it will be guerrilla warfare, not like in 2010. It puts Prayuth, the defender,in a tough position.

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[hcvc]

From the The Nation OP article: “Suthep yesterday said that as "the people's medium", he would nominate a new prime minister for royal endorsement.”

Perhaps Suthep is referring to his role as a “medium” in a more supernatural sense - believing he is capable of channeling the spirits of coup-makers from times past. While mediumship is in the realm

of paranormal – it would provide an alternative explanation for Suthep's often otherworldly deportment.

[rreddin]

It is good to see that no-one is hiding the reality of a judicial coup anymore.

This article is evidence of it.

Suthep speaking to the anti-democrats at Lumpini Park, as red shirts massed, declared that it is the National Anti-Corruption Commission and the Constitutional Court that will deliver victory for his supporters.

No smoke there.

His demagogic declaration, meant to incense and provoke pro-electoral and Parliamentary Democratic red shirts, is that once Prime Minister Yingluck met her"legal" demise, an unelected Prime Minister would assume power.

Indicating his confidence in the judicial coup, Suthep indicated it was all but a done deal, as per article above.

No more fuzzy-wuzzying about.

No more creeping coup subterfuge, no more denials of a judicial coup reality, no more attempts to cover up anti-electoral and pro-coup intentions. Which were the anticipated end-game from the beginning, pretending to be issue opposition, tellingly and motivationally revealing, outside Parliament.

So that is good...Everyone knows where they stand, and can act accordingly.

.

I'll ignore your usual effusive rhetoric for a moment, and ask two simple questions:

Is it still a judicial coup if those charged/indicted actually ARE guilty of the things they are accused of?

Or is it simply the law doing what it is supposed to do?

Question 1. Answer: Yes, if the courts are politically motivated, biased and fail to follow a fair procedure.

Question 2. Answer: The courts are not doing what they are supposed to do. If they were, Thailand would have a jucial system that is fit for purpose. As it is not fit for purpose, reform of the judicial system is probably a higher priority than the things Suthep has been babbling on about. To help make the point, this is a quote from another thread on this forun today:

Thailand's entire legal system should be revamped as its corruption problems have links to international crime networks and the laws limit the ability to eradicate graft, National Anti-Corruption Commission member Vicha Mahakun said yesterday.

He said the problems are so severe that they could affect the country's survival.

edited to add quote. Note, the underlining is mine

Edited April 6, 2014 by rreddin

[Old Man River]

How bizarre. We have a group of reactionaries who crave the days when Issan darkies knew their place, and didn't vote, who are fighting a group who knows how to rape democracy better than Americans – and that is saying a LOT. The reactionaries keep uttering edicts and demands, and the democrazies keep uttering threats from their moral high ground.

I have to utter a word that is a Thai swear word, and forbidden even in the West:

Compromise ....you fools, before you take things so far that it becomes a blood feud with an ever-growing chorus of martyrs.

Martyrs cannot be silenced......

As you are a nice guy, with family on the way, read post #44 and you will understand a lot more.

I have no idea which way this will, ultimately, end up.

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[Why ask]

From what I read, it will be guerrilla warfare, not like in 2010. It puts Prayuth, the defender,in a tough position.

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Pls tell me where you read it will be guerilla warfare.

Also, do you really think Thais are truly capable of a 'respectable standard' of guerilla warfare? They can't even get close to the stumps with a grenade!

[lomatopo]

"Free Beer Tomorrow".

But the "wheels of justice" do turn slowly so it takes a little while longer than it used when the Military could overthrow a democratically-elected government in the wee hours.

Thailand's entire legal system should be revamped as its corruption problems have links to international crime networks and the laws limit the ability to eradicate graft, National Anti-Corruption Commission member Vicha Mahakun said yesterday.

Reforms like this just don't seem to make it onto the PDRC's radar. I wonder why not?

Edited April 6, 2014 by lomatopo

[Som wat]

Thankyou Suthep for all the protesting that has virtually ruined my business.

Alfred, the NOT SO Great, (businessman) you are not the only one... But I am more than willing to suffer my losses in silence... When Suthep succedes and Thailand rids itself of the Shinewatras all will not have been in vain... Rock on the Thai peoples...

How people can still see Suthep as being some sort of Golden Diety of goodness is beyond me.

[Old Man River]

From what I read, it will be guerrilla warfare, not like in 2010. It puts Prayuth, the defender,in a tough position.

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Pls tell me where you read it will be guerilla warfare.

Also, do you really think Thais are truly capable of a 'respectable standard' of guerilla warfare? They can't even get close to the stumps with a grenade!

On the first part, you will just have to do your homework. On the second, I fear a Southern type of guerrilla warfare. Are Thai's doing this or hired guns. Does it matter?

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[ddavidovsky]

however, there has to be mechanisms in place for removing corrupt politicians and/or their parties from office.

It's called an election.

And anyone who thinks the current political turmoil has anything to do with stamping out corruption is seriously deluded. It's about conserving the 'traditional' system of the disenfranchised right-wing, which - the irony! - is essentially based on corruption and always has been. The right-wing invented corruption in Thailand.

Thaksin was the first to try to clean out the old system, which is why he is so hated by the entitled minority who lost the political game. Suthep and his backers are now attempting to force the country into an extremely dangerous political regression.

Look. One person has one opinion, the next person has a different opinion. It's no good saying 'my opinion is the right one'. The only way to settle it is have an election. Democracy isn't perfect, but it's the safest and least corrupt system there is.

Edited April 6, 2014 by ddavidovsky