Suthep Will Ask HM King To Appoint Himself As Coup Leader

[fcbkk]

Well that outburst meant he lost any credibility as far as I was concerned. At least one military leader has some moderation thankfully.

He hasen't lost any credibility with me yet. That is all talk. What he does in the future could change my opinion but at this point I think he is just mimicking Jatuprn and dribbeling nonsense.

It in no way takes away the good he has done rthe nation so far.

Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that millions of pro-government supporters in the north and northeast will quietly accept Mr. Suthep's effort to remove their elected government.

Have to agree with that.

In a separate mass rally in Nakorn Pathom province yesterday, Redshirts leader Jatupon Prompan insisted that the Redshirts are willing to fight for Ms. Yingluck, and ominously warned that a "civil war" could break out of Ms. Yingluck is removed by undemocratic ways.

Typical red shirt reaction threaten violence if they don't get their way. I wish he would complete the big baby scene and threaten to hold his breath until he get's his way.

Suthep had best back off up until the last few days he was being rational the Thai way. Now he is listening to Jatuporn and trying to equal his nonsense.

But I do admit he has done a great job up to this point. Time to let the system take over. If the red shirts stage an armed revolt the Army will crush them like a bug. They learned in 2010 what being nice to them get's them.

"It in no way takes away the good he has done rthe nation so far."

Name one good thing! Good for Thailand, not for himself or those that refuse to recognise the democratic process, just Thailand.

besides awareness he has given many the courage to stand up against pervasive intimidation and voice their opinion.

whether you like the methods employed or not (personally i disagree with many), the fact that there is awareness, debate and that people are no longer afraid to voice opinion against PTP/UDD surely is a healthy necessity for the democratic process.

[Kooweerup]

Load of twaddle & BS. Not sure why so many TVF posters take it seriously - well, maybe be some are getting desperate?

why do so many T.V posters idolise Suthep and kiss the ground he walks on. I think the love and admiration is a one way street

[johnno2]

I just checked The Nation and the other one and nothing remotely like the Khaosod report......can a journal be SO wrong (although other contributors before me have implied so). If it's as wrong as it appears it's worse than appalling, it's highly dangerous!

yes, this journal is SOOOOOo wrong. in any other country, they would be sinking in a sea of defamation suits

[brewsterbudgen]

I just checked The Nation and the other one and nothing remotely like the Khaosod report......can a journal be SO wrong (although other contributors before me have implied so). If it's as wrong as it appears it's worse than appalling, it's highly dangerous!

yes, this journal is SOOOOOo wrong. in any other country, they would be sinking in a sea of defamation suits

And of course The Nation is always 100% accurate and a bastion of impartiality!

[fab4]

Sure is a guy to be respected and looked up to. So far he has failed at every hurdle. 1995 to present corruption scandal[edit]

As part of the Sor Por Kor 4-01 (สปก.4-01) land reform scheme, Suthep gave title deeds to 592 plots of land in Khao Sam Liam, Kamala and Nakkerd hills of Phuket province to 489 farmers. It was later found that members of 11 wealthy families in Phuket were among the recipients. Suthep addressed a huge crowd in his Surat Thani constituency a month before a no-confidence debate and called on his supporters to march on Bangkok in the hundreds of thousands to defend his reputation.^[5] The scandal led Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai of the Democrat Party to dissolve the House of Representatives in July 1995 in order to avoid the no-confidence debate.^[6] In subsequent elections, Thai Nation Partywon a majority, leading to the downfall of Chuan Leekpai's Democrat Party-led government.

Wikileaks diplomatic cables from the US embassy revealed that many members of his own party have long complained of his corrupt and unethical behavior.^[7][8][9]

Interestingly. That wiki has been HEAVILY updated since I last looked at it about 6 weeks ago.. looks like Amsterdam's work. A very eloquent mud Slinger!

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Interestingly, according to you, the "HEAVILY updated" section quotes statements that are all linked to various different sources. Of particular interest are the US Embassy .cables.

Yet you contrive to assert that these facts are fabricated by Robert Amsterdam, "A very eloquent mud Slinger" and inserted into Wikipedia by him.

How does that work then?

Edited April 8, 2014 by fab4

[Prbkk]

Scathing editorial in today's Bangkok Post: arguing that Suthep has no idea about reform and wants to return Thailand to "feudal times". Worth a read

[belg]

it is going to be a hot (political) summer

[chotthee]

I just checked The Nation and the other one and nothing remotely like the Khaosod report......can a journal be SO wrong (although other contributors before me have implied so). If it's as wrong as it appears it's worse than appalling, it's highly dangerous!

yes, this journal is SOOOOOo wrong. in any other country, they would be sinking in a sea of defamation suits

And of course The Nation is always 100% accurate and a bastion of impartiality!

Bangkok Post source is far better than Nation.

BTW, I will support if Suthep nominate himself as the Supreme Leader Permanent Prime Minister of Thailand and Asean.

[Thai at Heart]

I just checked The Nation and the other one and nothing remotely like the Khaosod report......can a journal be SO wrong (although other contributors before me have implied so). If it's as wrong as it appears it's worse than appalling, it's highly dangerous!

yes, this journal is SOOOOOo wrong. in any other country, they would be sinking in a sea of defamation suits

And of course The Nation is always 100% accurate and a bastion of impartiality!

Bangkok Post source is far better than Nation.

BTW, I will support if Suthep nominate himself as the Supreme Leader Permanent Prime Minister of Thailand and Asean.

Where do.people go to register their support. Is there a station where they can put sign a petition or something?

I mean it might be quite dangerous for the country to give all this power to one guy and he only be supported by a few.

[chotthee]

Did Suthep really say publicly that he will decide who will be the next prime minister, and he will submit the order to His Majesty for endorsement (as reported by a reliable news agency)?

If yes. I will donate more money to him, and I think clean and honest politician like him should be the PM and lead not just Thailand, but the whole Asean. I am sure, the whole Asean will unite as 1 country under his great vision and leadership. Under his supreme guidance, Asean in combine can also develop our own ultra long range Nuclear missiles, so that China, Russia and USA can no longer look down on yellow man.

[fab4]

besides awareness he has given many the courage to stand up against pervasive intimidation and voice their opinion.

whether you like the methods employed or not (personally i disagree with many), the fact that there is awareness, debate and that people are no longer afraid to voice opinion against PTP/UDD surely is a healthy necessity for the democratic process.

Just how did the PTP make people afraid to voice their opinion? Last time I looked they gave the people the ultimate tool for voicing their opinions - it's called an election.

Edited April 8, 2014 by fab4

[somjitr]

I listened to Suthep's speech (which is easy to find on youtube) and can confirm that he made the following statements:

1.) He and his people will become the "sovereign body"

2.) His orders will become law, just like how Sarit's orders were the law.

3.) He will freeze (most of) the Shinawatra's assets.

4.) He will submit his list of PM + cabinet to the King for his approval.

The only things on Kaosod's article that might be slightly inaccurate are:

1.) The title doesn't make sense.

2.) "We will have something like Article 17" was not translated literally. He did mention Article 17 to illustrate the point that his orders will become law. It is a little ambiguous whether he would rule like Sarit.

3.) <<<< Thai language removed >>>> (the first-person pronoun in Thai) can either mean I or We. In some cases, the article translates it to I, when actually We is meant.

These certainly do not warrant dismissive comments like "outright lies" or "total BS." There is a lot of truth in what was reported here. As to why some of these statements are absent in reports from "reliable" news agencies, I suspect it's because it was an hour-long speech and new agencies selectively cover parts that they find relevant -- they might not want to taint Suthep's image in the eyes of impressionable farangs.

Edit: By the way, I can provide you with the transcript of the relevant parts in Thai.

Edited April 8, 2014 by metisdead
Thai language edited out of post. This is an English language forum, English is the only acceptable language, except in the Thai language forum where Thai language is allowed.

[Sirbergan]

Did Suthep really say publicly that he will decide who will be the next prime minister, and he will submit the order to His Majesty for endorsement (as reported by a reliable news agency)?

If yes. I will donate more money to him, and I think clean and honest politician like him should be the PM and lead not just Thailand, but the whole Asean. I am sure, the whole Asean will unite as 1 country under his great vision and leadership. Under his supreme guidance, Asean in combine can also develop our own ultra long range Nuclear missiles, so that China, Russia and USA can no longer look down on yellow man.

Great comedy there, mate. Keep up the good work!

[JAG]

So let me get this straight. Suthep is going to ask a constitutional monarchy to appoint him dictator? Yeah, that's gonna happen. Not!

Please read some other news sources. The Khaosod article at the top of this thread is all lies.

If it is true that the khaosod article is all lies and propaganda, then the mods should close this thread and place a retraction on the front page.

Way to go, let's hear it for freedom of speech!

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[mikemac]

besides awareness he has given many the courage to stand up against pervasive intimidation and voice their opinion.

whether you like the methods employed or not (personally i disagree with many), the fact that there is awareness, debate and that people are no longer afraid to voice opinion against PTP/UDD surely is a healthy necessity for the democratic process.

Just how did the PTP make people afraid to voice their opinion? Last time I looked they gave the people the ultimate tool for voicing their opinions - it's called an election.

Wow ! How original ? gag gag gag...............

Edited April 8, 2014 by mikemac

[soalbundy]

Scathing editorial in today's Bangkok Post: arguing that Suthep has no idea about reform and wants to return Thailand to "feudal times". Worth a read

Return? you mean they left?

[soalbundy]

Did Suthep really say publicly that he will decide who will be the next prime minister, and he will submit the order to His Majesty for endorsement (as reported by a reliable news agency)?

If yes. I will donate more money to him, and I think clean and honest politician like him should be the PM and lead not just Thailand, but the whole Asean. I am sure, the whole Asean will unite as 1 country under his great vision and leadership. Under his supreme guidance, Asean in combine can also develop our own ultra long range Nuclear missiles, so that China, Russia and USA can no longer look down on yellow man.

You are being sarcastic or you are smoking something which should be highly illegal.Tell me what has Thailand ever developed all by themselves?

[fcbkk]

besides awareness he has given many the courage to stand up against pervasive intimidation and voice their opinion.

whether you like the methods employed or not (personally i disagree with many), the fact that there is awareness, debate and that people are no longer afraid to voice opinion against PTP/UDD surely is a healthy necessity for the democratic process.

Just how did the PTP make people afraid to voice their opinion? Last time I looked they gave the people the ultimate tool for voicing their opinions - it's called an election.

Are you suggesting that everyone is free to voice their opinion free of fear from any retribution, including but not limited to opposition's campaigning for elections within PTP/UDD "territory" and//or not following the village headman's [paid for] instruction if someone wishes to do so?

But you are probably quite right in calling these elections the "ultimate tool" - that is how you see it isn't it?

[Acharn]

Absolutely idiotic idea, which will have little support. Given though that his is from Khaosod, I'm not going to give it much credence until it is reported in BP and The Nation, if he actually did indeed say this.

The country needs significant reform, but not led by him.

I agree with you on both counts.

I don't know why people in Bangkok don't remember -- Suthep is every bit as corrupt at Thaksin. The only thing is the group of families he would give the money to are different from the families the Shinnawatras give the money to.

Actually, I think I'd like to see Chuwit as Prime Minister. Sorry, I don't remember which party he's a member of, I think it's one of the tiny personal ones.

[Acharn]

I listened to Suthep's speech (which is easy to find on youtube) and can confirm that he made the following statements:

1.) He and his people will become the "sovereign body"

2.) His orders will become law, just like how Sarit's orders were the law.

3.) He will freeze (most of) the Shinawatra's assets.

4.) He will submit his list of PM + cabinet to the King for his approval.

The only things on Kaosod's article that might be slightly inaccurate are:

1.) The title doesn't make sense.

2.) "We will have something like Article 17" was not translated literally. He did mention Article 17 to illustrate the point that his orders will become law. It is a little ambiguous whether he would rule like Sarit.

3.) <<<< Thai language removed >>>> (the first-person pronoun in Thai) can either mean I or We. In some cases, the article translates it to I, when actually We is meant.

These certainly do not warrant dismissive comments like "outright lies" or "total BS." There is a lot of truth in what was reported here. As to why some of these statements are absent in reports from "reliable" news agencies, I suspect it's because it was an hour-long speech and new agencies selectively cover parts that they find relevant -- they might not want to taint Suthep's image in the eyes of impressionable farangs.

Edit: By the way, I can provide you with the transcript of the relevant parts in Thai.

Thank you very much for a valuable contribution. This explanation allows me to actually make a reasoned response.

From things I've read in the newspapers and in stories posted here at ThaiVisa, I think I'm justified in believing he would rule just like Sarit. That seems to be exactly what the PDAC has stated over and over again.

I feel like most of the people in Bangkok have forgotten what life was like under Sarit. I know there are some aged ultra-conservative ultra-nationalists who pine for those days, but for most people they were not good times. I missed Sarit, but I was here when his protege, Thanom Kittikachorn, was Prime Minister. Things were a bit better than under Sarit, but still not very good. Perhaps some members from Thai-Chinese families have heard stories. The reference to executing people by firing squad on his order sounds just about right.

This is very worrisome. I believe that if he called for an uprising there would be some people who would respond. I believe people who are behind the PDAC have told him that the military would not oppose such an action, but would protect the PDAC from any reaction by the Reds. The last eight years do not fill me with confidence.

[Skywalker69]

Load of twaddle & BS. Not sure why so many TVF posters take it seriously - well, maybe be some are getting desperate?

why do so many T.V posters idolise Suthep and kiss the ground he walks on. I think the love and admiration is a one way street

why do so many T.V posters idolise Suthep Thaksin and kiss the ground he walks on. I think the love and admiration is a one way street

[Sirbergan]

Load of twaddle & BS. Not sure why so many TVF posters take it seriously - well, maybe be some are getting desperate?

why do so many T.V posters idolise Suthep and kiss the ground he walks on. I think the love and admiration is a one way street

why do so many T.V posters idolise Suthep Thaksin and kiss the ground he walks on. I think the love and admiration is a one way street

I think the real question is "Why do so many TV posters buy into the propaganda and think that Thaksin is the only villain here?" This is a battle between villains, and the only thing I'm absolutely certain of is that villains will win in the end.

But hey, if your story needs a hero on one of the two sides, you go right ahead and pick one. Doesn't really matter which one, but in my case I'd choose the one wanting elections over the one wanting to choose his own PM's.

As for the "There are more to a democracy than elections" - do you really need someone to tell you that there is no democracy without them? Seems repetitive and boring, I know - but it is a fundamental fact.

[dukebowling]

Suthep is on his way out now the king has declared the Prince in charge of the army.

Thaksin never did anything illegal and will eventually have a fair shot to come back in the country.

Edited April 8, 2014 by dukebowling

[Thai at Heart]

Suthep is on his way out now the king has declared the Prince in charge of the army.

Thaksin never did anything illegal and will eventually have a fair shot to come back in the country.

Links or hearsay?

[dukebowling]

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Suthep is on his way out now the king has declared the Prince in charge of the army.

Thaksin never did anything illegal and will eventually have a fair shot to come back in the country.

Links or hearsay?

Check the Thai news. Can't post Thai here.

[Thai at Heart]

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Suthep is on his way out now the king has declared the Prince in charge of the army.

Thaksin never did anything illegal and will eventually have a fair shot to come back in the country.

Links or hearsay?

Check the Thai news. Can't post Thai here.

If that is the formally the case it makes a massive difference to what is going on here.

[tx22cb]

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Suthep is on his way out now the king has declared the Prince in charge of the army.

Thaksin never did anything illegal and will eventually have a fair shot to come back in the country.

Links or hearsay?

Check the Thai news. Can't post Thai here.

So .... how about a link to the "Thai news", please?