Red Shirt rally called off early; leaders vow to gather again, regroup

[kratiam]

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By god thais are pigs....the rubbish left behind and thrown about....would it not be too much of an inconvenience for each person to take their rubbish to a bin....or carry it in, carry it out.....nope pigs.

Just look at any local market the next morning and thats always after a night of wind often blowing shIt from arshole to breakfast as well.

Mmmmm...the litter is just about as unattractive as your language - but not quite. Grow up!

Edit: Any English-reading Thais may have the same opinion of you.....but wouldn't be so crass as to voice it.

No, but they would be so crass as do dump it.

You apologist you....

Well done....14 words without swearing. See, now I'm an apologist for you!

[SamMunich]

Re trash left behind: looks like a lot of those plaids to camp out on were distributed but the folks didn't appreciate them enough to take them home. Beside that, the support for cleanliness is definitely higher in towns than upcountry. Ever gone by orange crusher bus from one place to another? At every stop you will see hundreds of plastic bags from iced drinks, just thrown out of the window.

Re numbers: I could not find any real numbers except the 80,000 red shirts some red shirt leader claimed. WHere are the other numbers from? Not that I think the pure numbers indicate more or less quality.

Re support: Of course the farmers are angry, that they didn't get the promised 15 to 20K Baht for their rice, but come the next elections they will likely vote for the same jerks they elected last time. Why? Because money talks louder and because there will not be any real alternatives on the ballot. To frighten rival candidates is easier (and maybe cheaper) than to buy votes.
Still I miss any policy on the side of the Suthep folks to woe the farmers away from the red shirt leaders. But that is the only way to be successful, by driving a wedge between folks and leaders. Show, how corrupt Nuttawuth and Chatuporn et al are, show, how they BS their followers all the time and lie to them. You can't pry them away with reason, but with emotions and damaged self-esteem.

Re the End-game: I wonder, what will happen, if/when the courts will decide, that the caretakers are to leave. What if they just refuse to leave? If they continue to act as if no judgement has been issued? Who is going to throw them out? The police? a bad joke! The military? They don't dare for fear of being called coup plotters. "The people"? The Red shirts will only be waiting to use their weapons and their training against untrained townsfolk.

For Taksin, he knows this is the make or break issue for his future. If he fails this time, it will be over for a long time, maybe forever. That's why he has no reservations about throwing all into this fight. And let's not forget, this, as well as the 90+ deaths and all the other things that happened in the meantime, all that happened only, because Taksin is too proud to step into a jail even for a second.

[marcusd]

Now now there, let's be nice and not make fun of the red shirts and the lack of support during these railies of theirs. We should at least wait for the red apologists here on TV to reply and make a spin of things before we start.

Gerry, I am a ref apologist. I am sorry but I am just sorry. Red is a colour that instills trouble and violence upon the brain.

I am a red apologist coz I am sorry they have no,brains. Look at the idiocy of their justifications on here.

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[Showbags]

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By god thais are pigs....the rubbish left behind and thrown about....would it not be too much of an inconvenience for each person to take their rubbish to a bin....or carry it in, carry it out.....nope pigs.

Just look at any local market the next morning and thats always after a night of wind often blowing shIt from arshole to breakfast as well.

Mmmmm...the litter is just about as unattractive as your language - but not quite. Grow up!

Edit: Any English-reading Thais may have the same opinion of you.....but wouldn't be so crass as to voice it.

No, but they would be so crass as do dump it.

You apologist you....

Well done....14 words without swearing. See, now I'm an apologist for you!

FrogshIt.

[marcusd]

Jatuporn looks like he just got an ass chewing from the dear leader on Skype. A look of gloom, despair, and agony on me,

deep, dark depression, excessive misery, if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

yes, I agree. He had to disband as the money was not for attendees but for paying for votes when the election comes.

Remember, they can't deduct sums from government coffers whilst in caretaker mode. Others are looking at the books. So khun takkies stash of cash must be dwindling for the supporters

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[Westering]

Premature Evacuation, that's what this is! Bit of a disappointment all 'round, or so I'm told. :-)

For a while I've been thinking that Big Brother has not been sending sufficient dosh to arouse impressive numbers of his redshirt adorers to actually attend these rallies. It has just occurred to me that Ju'tapawn and Wuttanut and the others may be emulating their PTP leaders by skimming off the greater part of the money that Big T sends, resulting in woefully little incentive trickling down to those who might potentially attend.

Can't anyone be trusted to run a decent corruption network anymore??

[northernjohn]

Give it up already.

The reds are just as embarrassing as the yellows.

This is 2014 not 2010 the Yellows are history.

Why do the red shirts keep trying to deny the grass roots people by calling them yellow shirts.

Any fool knows that the Yellow shirts died out trying to start a war with Cambodia. In fact two of their leaders are in jail there.

Wake up red shirts it is the common every day grass roots people you are fighting against.

[northernjohn]

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So, not only did they deliberately trash the road and district, all of which has a religious designation, but, according to the OP, we now need to wait and see if the Red Communists left any IEDs or landmines on the road. What a pack of animals this group is.

I missed any report of trashing, can someone please share some details.

Also, can't find any reporting about actual numbers, please share.

+1

As for numbers I have heard from 30,000 to 100,000. It would be nice to have some one with some first hand knowledge.

I had heard the police acting as guards said 35,000. Seems awful low to me. But then again as another poster said they closed it down early out of embarrassment.

[Basil B]

Premature Evacuation, that's what this is! Bit of a disappointment all 'round, or so I'm told. :-)

For a while I've been thinking that Big Brother has not been sending sufficient dosh to arouse impressive numbers of his redshirt adorers to actually attend these rallies. It has just occurred to me that Ju'tapawn and Wuttanut and the others may be emulating their PTP leaders by skimming off the greater part of the money that Big T sends, resulting in woefully little incentive trickling down to those who might potentially attend.

"Can't anyone be trusted to run a decent corruption network anymore??"

​Well putting a drunken fool in charge does not help.

[zydeco]

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So, not only did they deliberately trash the road and district, all of which has a religious designation, but, according to the OP, we now need to wait and see if the Red Communists left any IEDs or landmines on the road. What a pack of animals this group is.

I missed any report of trashing, can someone please share some details.

Also, can't find any reporting about actual numbers, please share.

+1

As for numbers I have heard from 30,000 to 100,000. It would be nice to have some one with some first hand knowledge.

I had heard the police acting as guards said 35,000. Seems awful low to me. But then again as another poster said they closed it down early out of embarrassment.

The report of the 35,000 came out of the BP. I've posted indirect links at least 5 or 6 times. Tired of doing it over and over. As for the trashing. It's mentioned in the OP and can be seen in the score of photos posted in the thread.

[LuckyLew]

Anyone know how many people turned out for this red shin dig?

[northernjohn]

To be honest it is completely irrelevant how many supporters are at any of the rallies. Unless one rally brought together 51% of the voting population, they are largely irrelevant in terms of how things will pan out going forward- short of all out civil unrest i presume.

Having 100,000 persons at a rally does not change a law- hence if someone is innocent or guilty, really it should make no difference if the law is followed correctly.

Interesting spin on failure. The rallies are not completely irrelevant - one big one actually stopped a disastrous amnesty bill being passed and led to a government resigning. Another not quite as big one left 90+ deaths and a fair amount of destruction in its wake.

The reduction in numbers does indicate a waning support for both the red shirts and the PDRC. If the PTP leadership (i.e. Thaksin) had any sense or love of his country, now would be a very good time to accept that reforms are needed and negotiate a way to achieve a peaceful solution before his sister is potentially removed by the courts.

good point in my view, but seeing that you used the word "had" suggests you might agree that kind and spirit in the true meaning of "sense" and "love for Thailand" is not what we can expect from mr T based on experience.

he may well try to negotiate, but i think unlikely that a loss of power will be acceptable, and without that the negotiating sides will not find a common basis.

I whole heartedly agree with both of you. Thaksin will only negotiate if he personally get's some thing out of it. Also it would look ridicules but the negotiations would have to take place out side of Thailand as Thaksin is unwilling to return to his homeland.

The best chance Thailand has is the court to throw Yingluck out on her ear and the Senate to drop the politics and appoint a neutral PM willing to listen to all. He would have to appoint a commission that would include the common citizens business academia all political parties. etc. The more I think about it the more sure I am that it would take almost two years to thurley discuss each others needs and point of view.

This would still be a democracy as half the Senators are elected. Not that it matters the main point and goal should be the betterment of the conditions in Thailand.

As for the number of protestors at the rallies. Not a lot of meaning in the numbers. They represent the loss of support for the red shirts when they can not even put on a three day rally and for the anti government people they have maintained it for 4 months it is no wonder that they do not have the people on hand all the time but we know that when they have to work and can't make the rally that they are still anti corruption (government)

[ramrod711]

Jatuporn looks like he just got an ass chewing from the dear leader on Skype. A look of gloom, despair, and agony on me,

deep, dark depression, excessive misery, if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.

I bet he did.

I can imagine it...

'I sent you 200 million baht for an extravaganza that you promised me.... you absolute t**t, I could have you killed for this you complete ar***le!!!! You told me you would have been much better than Thida, what a complete cock I must have been to listen to you.... At least Chalerm has an excuse that he is pissed most of the time... I am telling you Jats old boy... I am expecting change from this 200 million and lots of it. You better get my cash you fat useless bas***d!..... Now we have no other option but to revert back to terrorism tactics and hope we can sway popular opinion in our favour..... What a complete balls up this has been from start to finish..... don't ever come to Dubai without my 200 million, I am telling you now.... you are on your last chance.... and I want my 200 million back.... what a total wan**r you are!!!!'

And the reply from Jatuporn, "if you hadn't pushed that ridiculous amnesty bill, none of us would be in this mess, you idiot"

[Cuchulainn]

Anyone know how many people turned out for this red shin dig?

About 12

[rebelplatoon]

City administration employees started cleaning the much-littered Aksa Road after Red Shirt supporters left the scene,

Photo from ManopY

PDRC core leader leads the cleaning up of Victory Monument

BANGKOK 23 January 2014 (NNT) — Former Democrat Party member and core leader of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) Tavorn Senniam led a clean-up at the Victory Monument after 10 days of protesting in the area.

What a difference.... Excellent post! And yes there were more people ON stage than in front of the stage at this Red Militia gathering. 500.000, keep dreaming. More like 20000.

[moe666]

Looks like he will have to gather more illegal aliens to keep up the numbers as looks like the northern folk are getting fewer and fewer.

The mess they have left behind is amazing, at least Suthep's followers were getting together and cleaning up everyday and helping the district workers keep the area clean.

Nuttawat said it was successful in quantity and quality . Oh well.

Quantity and quality of trash very sucessful

[SOTIRIOS]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

[AleG]

Add to this that the government (and the Red Shirts too) haven't made much noise about the results of the Feb. 2 election, if they knew or thought that the results showed a landslide victory in their favour they would be going blue at the nose asking for the results to be released. But... not a squeak, probably because the unnoficial results I've seen gave them around 8 million votes, which is less than half of what they got in the last election and two thirds of what the "unelectable" Democrats received in 2011.

They know they are past their sell by date, by a long margin, now it's huff, puff and bluff to try and stay in power for as long as possible. Specially Jatuporn and company, who can feel the nooze tightening around their necks as they face the possibility of a government not inclined to look the other way at their crimes against the country.

[rebelplatoon]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Wahahahaha Fryslan Boppe! Good one. No he didn't have time to sent out fake quotes, his head is stuck in the red tv channel.....

[Yunla]

“Since we follow democracy-- which is accepted by people worldwide-- it’s the same as a victory for us. The next battle will be a new chapter in the history of Thailand,” he said.

It is accepted by people worldwide, especially in Dubai where we have one person who trusts us - maybe more. We were too busy to count. But loads of people worldwide, Dubai is just one example of this.

When I was reading this and spilling my coffee when the laughter shakes got too much, I suddenly started thinking of the old guy in that "Absolutely" sketch from the late 80s~ when he is sitting alone in his room talking to his dinner. "What's that? I don't even bloody like peas - you're only on the plate coz you're a challenge! But I got you outnumbered! I gots my teeth, I got Nipper, Gnasher, Chomper, and Steve!"

Edited April 7, 2014 by Yunla

[bulekee]

In amphur Theung, about 40 km east of Chiang Rai, my inlaws were offered 100 baht to attend a meeting at a school. At the meeting the monk beaters offered them 500 baht per day to sign up to go to Bangkok, apparently there were very few takers. I think the UDD have underestimated the anger of the farmers.

Or they are now smart enough to work out ROI,return on investment,time costs money.

[bulekee]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

I would bet you don't teach maths.

[FangFerang]

Face it, it was a flop, just look at their faces of disappointment. Set yourself up for a high stakes numbers game and you're going fall short. Don't start comparing yourself to Suthep, he made his point with the 350,000 at the height of the rally and it was twice as big as anything UDD have ever managed, dispelling the myth that they are represent the vast majority. They are deluded. Truth is, both movements have big support but are not representative of the nation as a whole. Both need to be taken seriously and respect the other's position as valid and widely supported.

How dare you speak logically, and from a centrist viewpoint. This forum is all about picking sides, and ignoring any wrongdoings from your favorite serpent.

Please leave before someone else is inspired to bring a debate into this online squabble that poses as an argument. It is very disruptive, and will be ignored, of course.

[Rich teacher]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

[pmugghc]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

Same paper, the 1) Sunday printed edition and 2) today's printed edition.

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[givenall]

Red Shirt rally called off early; leaders vow to gather again, regroup

By English News

BANGKOK, April 7 – Pro-government demonstration leaders today cut short their intended three-day rally on Aksa Road and sent demonstrators back to their home provinces.

The rally was originally scheduled for three days, ending this evening, but red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader Jatuporn Promphan announced on stage the decision to call off the activity.

'This is just a rehearsal for the next rally the venue of which we will keep confidential,' he said, boasting that the next event will be extremely crowded with a massive number of supporters.

Mr Jatuporn accepted a challenge by anti-government leader Suthep Thaugsuban to conduct a comparative count on the number of demonstrators for both factions.

Mr Suthep is secretary general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) which has been involved in anti-government movement for more than five months.

UDD leader Nattawut Saikua said the rally on Aksa Road was successful in both quality and quantity and it is unnecessary to compare with the quantity with PDRC demonstration.

“Since we follow democracy-- which is accepted by people worldwide-- it’s the same as a victory for us. The next battle will be a new chapter in the history of Thailand,” he said.

City administration employees started cleaning the much-littered Aksa Road after Red Shirt supporters left the scene, while explosives experts and police dogs were assigned to search for possible bomb substances in the rally site.

Meanwhile, PDRC core leader Thavorn Senneam said the PDRC’s proposal for a neutral prime minister would not lead to a sovereignty state but it is a process to resolve the country’s political stalemate in case caretaker premier Yingluck Shinawatra refuses to accept rulings of the Constitution Court or the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC).

Ms Yingluck will be subject to step down if either of the two agencies finds her guilty agrees with charges against her for dereliction of duty in the rice pledging scheme and abuse of power in the transfer of Thawil Pliensri, chief of the National Security Council to an inactive post.

He said the PDRC will allow the reopening of government buildings which have been sealed off as part of its anti-government protests but caretaker Cabinet members will be barred from entering their respective ministries. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-04-07

Did the check bounced??????

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[FangFerang]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

What? WHAT??!! Just because you hate the Shins, as the TV posters love to snipe, you have a very selective memory, like the PDRC guard holding the voter by the larynx who wanted to vote, or the burned out bus with a corpse inside near Dong Meung Airport and pics of a PDRC man breaking out the windows with a flag pole? That's just the tip of the bloody iceberg.

And don't throw the lame blog challenge at me to prove it. Look it up yourself, sloth.

Both sides have lots of blood on their hands. The Shins and the shadow puppeteers pulling Suthep's strings are ruining this country because they refuse to share power and are closing in on succession.

If you want to punt on football, fine, but stay out of adult arguments.

[Rich teacher]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

Same paper, the 1) Sunday printed edition and 2) today's printed edition.

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Different days, different numbers. People come & go. As with Suthep's largest rallies, there were very few left the next morning. In fact his rally sites were largely deserted during the days.

As for numbers, the PRDC site is looking pretty damn sick now. Minus the guards, they have bugger all. In reality, his big crowds were anti-amnesty not pro-PRDC.

[brewsterbudgen]

....2 big differences......

...1) ......the PDRC....fund themselves.....

....(What was the price tag on this red shirt fiasco.....and where did the money come from...???)....

.... 2)......the PDRC are shot....bombed....maimed.....killed.....

....(.....no such incidents directed towards the red shirts....Can we conclude where ALL of the violence originates from....???....)

What? WHAT??!! Just because you hate the Shins, as the TV posters love to snipe, you have a very selective memory, like the PDRC guard holding the voter by the larynx who wanted to vote, or the burned out bus with a corpse inside near Dong Meung Airport and pics of a PDRC man breaking out the windows with a flag pole? That's just the tip of the bloody iceberg.

And don't throw the lame blog challenge at me to prove it. Look it up yourself, sloth.

Both sides have lots of blood on their hands. The Shins and the shadow puppeteers pulling Suthep's strings are ruining this country because they refuse to share power and are closing in on succession.

If you want to punt on football, fine, but stay out of adult arguments.

Indeed. The selective, vindictive, biased and often untrue posts on both sides are symptomatic of Thailand's problems.

[issanaus]

'Your only as good as your last game'

Last mass rally of the good & incorruptible = 30 - 40,000

Red Shirt rally = 80 - 100,000 (2nd biggest in their history)

So I am really wondering why there is any yellow gloating going on.

What source do you have for the 80 - 100,000 ? The security forces and BP reporters estimate 35,000. Perhaps your source is Fryslan Boppe?

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Lies and deceit I see.

1 BP report posted early Saturday evening stated that the actual crowd as of late Saturday afternoon was about 80,000. Later in the same report a security advisor stated that the crowd was over 100,00

The next day on Sunday the same news source said numbers were down to 35,000. Obviously 45,000 - 65,000 were local and didn't sleep there.

They call that bias by selection & omission.

By the way,where are your figures from; ASTV, Blue Sky or one of the other TV yellow cheer-leading team perhaps?

If they get 80,000 now, wait till the PM that 16 million of them willfully elected gets thrown out by some bent judges!

The government that was elected by 16 million people resigned.

They hold caretaker status under the constitution

The care taker PM now faces the possibility that breaking that same constitution she maybe removed for the caretaker appointment from that role.

Grow up and be honest