Popular Post webfact Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2014 EDITORIALA lesson for Thai politicians from South Korea's PMThe NationIt's time our lawmakers stopped passing the buck and began taking responsibility for their actionsBANGKOK: -- Chung Hong-won resigned from his post as South Korea's prime minister on Sunday, taking responsibility for the slow initial response to the Sewol ferry disaster which ended in the loss of more than 300 lives.His action was deemed normal in countries where ruling politicians and officials are held to high standards. But in countries like Thailand, the news came as a surprise, and the Korean leader's decision was viewed by many as irrational.Why would a leading politician take responsibility for a wrongdoing he did not commit? Why was the prime minister expected to resign over a tragedy that wasn't his fault?Were he in an equivalent post in Thailand, Chung would simply have offered a nicely worded apology and been praised for it. But the South Korean premier chose to go much further. As second-most senior figure in government after President Park Geun-hye, Chung felt accountable."As I saw grieving families suffering with the pain of losing their loved ones and the sadness and resentment of the public, I thought I should take all responsibility as prime minister," he explained."I would like to apologise for the mishandling of a slew of problems, from preventive measures before the accident to the government's initial response and follow-up steps over the accident."Such a sense of accountability is a key requirement in a good leader.In Thailand, however, few lawmakers take the concept of "political responsibility" seriously. Rather than owning up to their faults or wrongdoings, they tend to shift the blame onto others. Cornered by the courts or independent watchdogs, they come out fighting, accusing the judges of bias or of being politically motivated. Indeed, why show accountability or remorse for actions that damage the lives of millions when politics is a self-serving game of survival?Caretaker Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra recently urged the Constitutional Court to rule with fairness over her alleged malfeasance in the removal of National Security Council chief Thawil Pliensri. She asked for the same from the Anti-Corruption Commission as it considers whether she is guilty of condoning corruption in connection with the government's graft-plagued rice price-pledging scheme.How would people ordinarily react to defendants asking the court to ensure that it judges their case fairly? If the defendant is sure of his innocence, he should produce the evidence and wait for justice to be served. And, whether or not he agrees with the final verdict, he must accept it. That is the nature of justice.We Thais do not expect our politicians to follow the example of South Korea's prime minister. We do not expect our lawmakers to take responsibility for the carelessness or wrongdoing of others. We would be satisfied if they merely took responsibility for their own negligence or abuse of power - or, at the very least, showed some remorse.If more of our politicians did so, Thailand would be a better place in which to live. Higher standards of accountability in politics would lead to a decline of conflict and violence.-- The Nation 2014-05-01 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaxLee Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2014 Don't "Thai-Chinese" to me... "NOt my problem, not my fault" <-the Thai way of bailing out of problems 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonao Posted April 30, 2014 Share Posted April 30, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted April 30, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2014 Thais learning and especially from a foreigner ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisY1 Posted May 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2014 Thai politicians, police and military personnel, would never ever take an example of any other country.....there is no other country, in the minds of these people, that could possibly teach anything to Thais..... Except maybe Zimbabwe ....... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WoopyDoo Posted May 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) It takes dignity and integrity to resign at a time of crisis and criticism. Something that this regime is devoid of. But then again I doubt the S Korean government are anywhere near as corrupt as this government and money is a good motivator. Had he been in a position of having such a ****d up country where corruption and theft of public money goes totally unchecked and a government can easily keep all its support while doing so... Then maybe the S Korean government may also be tempted... but unfortunately for them they have a proper country with a proper system and are light years ahead of the Thai's who would not know what dignity and integrity was if is punched them in the mouth. Edited May 1, 2014 by WoopyDoo 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 The South Korean press has dismissed the PM's resignation as a political ploy because he had little power. Power rests with President Park. When she went to a memorial for the dead, many family members of the deceased/missing booed her and had the wreathes and flowers she laid moved away from the other flowers. The President is being savaged by the South Korean press. So............ is the lesson to toss some politician under a political bus to protect the big boss? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 A 1,000 wild horses will not unseat a Thai politician once he's got hold on to his seat, and that is the reason why thins country had so many coups, the only way to get rid of a government and a politicians..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted May 1, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2014 This is complete tosh. I know for a fact that politicians such as Chalerm would be the first to take responsibility and resign in a case like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Hear, hear. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selftaopath Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Across the entire Kingdom of Thailand is taking responsibility (for anything) the norm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> A 1,000 wild horses will not unseat a Thai politician once he's got hold on to his seat, and that is the reason why thins country had so many coups, the only way to get rid of a government and a politicians..... Well the last coup didn't do that good , they are all still there , except one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 A lesson for Thai politicians from South Korea's PM It's time our lawmakers stopped passing the buck and began taking responsibility for their actions Koreaness is not Thainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 "Rather than owning up to their faults or wrongdoings, they tend to shift the blame onto others." Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. Q.E.D. Well done, moonao, you are a truthful representative of those you support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 It takes dignity and integrity to resign at a time of crisis and criticism. Something that this regime is devoid of. But then again I doubt the S Korean government are anywhere near as corrupt as this government and money is a good motivator. Had he been in a position of having such a ****d up country where corruption and theft of public money goes totally unchecked and a government can easily keep all its support while doing so... Then maybe the S Korean government may also be tempted... but unfortunately for them they have a proper country with a proper system and are light years ahead of the Thai's who would not know what dignity and integrity was if is punched them in the mouth. Good point about the dignity aspect. Something this PM does not seem to embody. But, you know the country is in a difficult position when the opponent is Suthep. Talk about a shill, an incompetent, an empty suit, and a phony with bad intentions. So, what is the alternative at this point? I would suggest a reform of the entire political infrastructure and system from the ground up. And appointments of ministers based on qualifications, not who you know, or what your family name is. Yes, taking responsibility for ones actions, or inactions, is a very foreign, and alien concept here in the LOS. Face tends to allow them to get away with a lot, and not look within. It is the behavior of cowards to not look within for solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulekee Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. Are you now green,if you mix yellow and red I think you get green.Green can also mean you are new and know nothing,which are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulekee Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Thais learning and especially from a foreigner ? Perry Como "It"s Impossible" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsuar Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. Are you now green,if you mix yellow and red I think you get green.Green can also mean you are new and know nothing,which are you? Yellow and blue make green. Yellow and red make orange.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakseeda Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. What Are you talking about eggs for ? Seems you are the only one with egg on his face... ! And can I ask a question that most TV posters would like to know, Did you ever attend school..? If you did , it was a waste of time..! Suicide is painless.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulekee Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 It takes dignity and integrity to resign at a time of crisis and criticism. Something that this regime is devoid of. But then again I doubt the S Korean government are anywhere near as corrupt as this government and money is a good motivator. Had he been in a position of having such a ****d up country where corruption and theft of public money goes totally unchecked and a government can easily keep all its support while doing so... Then maybe the S Korean government may also be tempted... but unfortunately for them they have a proper country with a proper system and are light years ahead of the Thai's who would not know what dignity and integrity was if is punched them in the mouth. And don"t forget they fought a war,with a little help from their friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulekee Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. Are you now green,if you mix yellow and red I think you get green.Green can also mean you are new and know nothing,which are you? Yellow and blue make green. Yellow and red make orange.Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Sorry,it"s my age.Thanks for reminding me,but you get my gist anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulekee Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 The South Korean press has dismissed the PM's resignation as a political ploy because he had little power. Power rests with President Park. When she went to a memorial for the dead, many family members of the deceased/missing booed her and had the wreathes and flowers she laid moved away from the other flowers. The President is being savaged by the South Korean press. So............ is the lesson to toss some politician under a political bus to protect the big boss? You have all the answers,you tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 All pigs fed and ready to fly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 this is not the case of PTP leaders.... They are so far from to recognize any responsibility in pledge rice scheme fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Actually they need to learn from the past Eg that coups and judicial coups accomplish nothing in the end except creating more of a mess. right on topic as usual.......not go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 The South Korean press has dismissed the PM's resignation as a political ploy because he had little power. Power rests with President Park. When she went to a memorial for the dead, many family members of the deceased/missing booed her and had the wreathes and flowers she laid moved away from the other flowers. The President is being savaged by the South Korean press. So............ is the lesson to toss some politician under a political bus to protect the big boss? and I suppose the school vice principle committing suicide was also a political ploy right.......? Talking <deleted> as usual GK The only way to remove a corrupt thief from office in Thailand is either by the army or the courts - they have no honour, PTP are like a pack of hungry wild dogs feeding on a rotten carcass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 korea goes one way. thais go another. korea booms in finance and tech and manufacturing, thailand booms in theft, devolving industry, and hoarding. History says that soon these corrupt politicians will pay. generally with their families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 The South Korean press has dismissed the PM's resignation as a political ploy because he had little power. Power rests with President Park. When she went to a memorial for the dead, many family members of the deceased/missing booed her and had the wreathes and flowers she laid moved away from the other flowers. The President is being savaged by the South Korean press. So............ is the lesson to toss some politician under a political bus to protect the big boss? and I suppose the school vice principle committing suicide was also a political ploy right.......? Talking <deleted> as usual GK The only way to remove a corrupt thief from office in Thailand is either by the army or the courts - they have no honour, PTP are like a pack of hungry wild dogs feeding on a rotten carcass or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 It takes dignity and integrity to resign at a time of crisis and criticism. Something that this regime is devoid of. But then again I doubt the S Korean government are anywhere near as corrupt as this government and money is a good motivator. Had he been in a position of having such a ****d up country where corruption and theft of public money goes totally unchecked and a government can easily keep all its support while doing so... Then maybe the S Korean government may also be tempted... but unfortunately for them they have a proper country with a proper system and are light years ahead of the Thai's who would not know what dignity and integrity was if is punched them in the mouth. South Korea had a similar problem to that of Thailand, namely a bloated military with a tendency to interfere in politics.Unlike Thailand the South Korean army was bitch slapped back to the barracks and ordered by the democratically elected civilian government to concentrate on their military duties. Unlike Thailand the South Korean army does actually have a real job to do - dealing with my avatar. I don't see why Yingluck should resign.No charges against her have been proved.And her accusers are tainted. There was a case for Abhisit to resign after the murder of unarmed civilians on his watch.But naturally he didn't take responsibility for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiPiFFS Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I am all for people and especially politicians being responsible for their actions but just how was this man in any way, shape or form responsible for the ferry capsizing and the deaths of many passengers ? His resignation is nothing more than political pantomime and the Thai's have nothing to learn from this apart from what not to do in the event of a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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