Poet's killing makes red-shirt leaders insecure

[Lite Beer]

Poet's killing makes red-shirt leaders insecure
Pravit Rojanaphruk
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The killing of red-shirt poet and anti-lese majeste law activist Kamol Duangphasuk - better known as 'Maineung Kor Kuntee' - has made prominent pro-government red shirts insecure about their safety.

But while some are fatalistic about possible attempts to kill them, most agree there is little that can be done to mitigate the risks.

Sombat Boonngam-anong, leader of the Red Sunday Group, said he was making changes to his daily routine in order to avoid becoming a possible target for what he believes is an ongoing attempt on the lives of key red-shirts.

To protect himself, Sombat now goes to public venues less often, refrains from observing People's Democratic Reform Committee rallies in person and is watchful about whether he is being followed.

Other red-shirt leaders have beefed up their personal security, but Sombat says he will not resort to hiring a bodyguard.

"I won't be carrying a gun or a knife either and will not let this incident change the way I lead my life," he said.

Even though the police have so far denied that Kamol's killing was politically motivated, Sombat firmly believes the poet was murdered by political opponents.

"What else [could be the cause] if not politics?" Sombat asked.

Red-shirt lawyer Anon Nampha has also said he feels insecure after Kamol's murder last month, and he believed many key red shirts were at risk despite the Army's insistence that there is no blacklist and that Kamol was never on any such list.

Like Sombat, Anon conceded he was more alert about a possible attacker trailing him, but ultimately, he said, there was little one could do if someone was determined to kill you.

The same ethos is shared by red-shirt Voice TV host and writer Lakkana Panwichai, who's widely known by her alias "Kamphaka". She, however, is refusing to make changes to her daily routine, saying if someone wants to kill her, then they will likely be successful.

-- The Nation 2014-05-03

[issanaus]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Edited May 2, 2014 by issanaus

[chooka]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

[Roadman]

Gives them a feel of what those who stand against this criminal government, and the judiciary and other watch dog organisations live with from the Pheu Thai / UDD / Reds own.

Regardless of that it again shows how lawless and failed Thai politics is, and as supposed leaders what a pitiful example they are to Thai people and the world community.

Would edit that to say those like Khun Sombat are where the Reds should be looking to. The Reds however have to stay clear of the politic crims like the Shinawatra's or do it themselves.

Edited May 3, 2014 by Roadman

[chotthee]

I thought it was Mark that was threaten?

Why it end up a red poet being killed?

[NongKhaiKid]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

There is violence and stupidity on both sides, everyone casts the ' first stone ' as they are the only ones who are ever right.

Lots of blame to go around.

[wooloomooloo]

In respect of Kamol Duangphasuk and this centenary year of Dylan Thomas' birth.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175907

Edited May 3, 2014 by wooloomooloo

[AleG]

Sombat Boonngam-anong, leader of the Red Sunday Group, said he was making changes to his daily routine in order to avoid becoming a possible target for what he believes is an ongoing attempt on the lives of key red-shirts.

To protect himself, Sombat now goes to public venues less often, refrains from observing People's Democratic Reform Committee rallies in person and is watchful about whether he is being followed.

Other red-shirt leaders have beefed up their personal security, but Sombat says he will not resort to hiring a bodyguard.

"I won't be carrying a gun or a knife either and will not let this incident change the way I lead my life," he said.

...will not let this incident change the way I lead my life.

Except in the ways he changed how he leads his life...

Anyway, Sombat is one of the most sensible Red Shirt leaders, and I certainly hope he won't be a target for violence or murder.

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

So Suthep is responsible for this murder now? You should share your evidence with the police. I'm sure if they had the slightest hint at a political motive behind the murder they'll be shouting it from the rooftops, until then speculation on that direction only serves to cause further division and hathred.

Meanwhile, the Red Shirts that murdered PDRC leader Suthin Taratin in broad daylight are still walking free, as are the ones responsible for the murder and injury of scores of anti-government protestors.

I didn't notice any Red Shirts coming out to denounce those actions and how they could escalate the violence (besides claiming that they were self inflicted ), in fact I do remember hundreds of Red Shirt leaders cheering at the good news of people being murdered.

Edited May 3, 2014 by AleG

[GeorgeO]

"What else [could be the cause] if not politics?" Sombat asked.

1. Causing someone to lose face.

2. Messing around with someone else's wife/girlfriend.

3. An unpaid debt.

...that's just for starters...!!

[GeorgeO]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

Come on Chooka, really, "start popping off the opposition" ...?!

The current score for the Red Brigade is over two dozen murders (including toddlers) and hundreds of injuries. You cannot seriously suggest that it is the anti-government protesters that have raised the stakes in this conflict...!!

And note that I referred to protesters, not Suthep. He is certainly no hero of mine, but I fail to see how you can bring his name into the killing of the Red poet.

[FangFerang]

Killing a writer is a stupid thing to do. Martyrs cannot be silenced...

[seajae]

hahahahaha, this has to be the biggest laugh yet and foot in mouth move by the red. After throwing/firing grenades and killing kids and women, shooting indiscriminently at protesters and leaving bombs at the homes/offices of anyone that opposes the red ideals they are now saying they are worried they are being tergetted. Seems that when the reds start getting some of their own medicine(if it even was that)they start to sh*t themselves, typical of a group of thugs, its only good when they are doing the killing, not when they are the ones being targetted.

[h90]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Christs and Muslims aren't allowed to kill as well....but it seems no one is reading their own holy book.

[ramrod711]

To protect himself, Sombat now goes to public venues less often, refrains from observing People's Democratic Reform Committee rallies in person

Sombat, my hero, I don't go to those nasty rallies anymore, it's dangerous. It doesn't stop me from advocating violence against the anti government people though. I wonder how many monk beaters will attend Jatuporns party now, you can practically see the gears working in old Somchais head, "wait a minute, if it's too dangerous for the leaders why should I go? The 500 baht, I need the money, that's why."

[fab4]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Ever thought that the people who live by violence may not follow the Buddhist doctrine?

Your post is an oblique suggestion that the red shirts mentioned in the OP have killed or condoned the killing of others, whilst you deflect criticism by adding the rider, "applies to everybody and all sides"? It just so happens that this OP is about red shirts only so your point has been made and understood. Typical nasty little post.

[blazes]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

Didn't George Dubya Bush say something along these lines?

"If you are not with us in the war on Terror, you are against us" [and not a true patriot, blablabla etcetcetc]

[casualbiker]

with the lunatic Suthep and the Mad Doctor running around I would be scared also, as Suthep says you are either with us or against us no in between. Can't oust the government so start popping off the opposition in the final push.

And again you have absolutely NO proof for your statement!

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[Rooo]

Post advocating violence , murder & replies quoting it removed.

Also removed a post flaming another member.

[issanaus]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Ever thought that the people who live by violence may not follow the Buddhist doctrine?

Your post is an oblique suggestion that the red shirts mentioned in the OP have killed or condoned the killing of others, whilst you deflect criticism by adding the rider, "applies to everybody and all sides"? It just so happens that this OP is about red shirts only so your point has been made and understood. Typical nasty little post.

I total agree that anybody/everybody who lives by violence is not following Buddhist doctrine - that was part of my point.

My views on the murder of the Poet I made on the thread when it was reported.

This thread is about the response to that. If I am guilty of anything it would be thread drift but I think that you are often guilty of that.

I do congratulate you on analysing what you wrote - Typical nasty little post.

[Baerboxer]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Ever thought that the people who live by violence may not follow the Buddhist doctrine?

Your post is an oblique suggestion that the red shirts mentioned in the OP have killed or condoned the killing of others, whilst you deflect criticism by adding the rider, "applies to everybody and all sides"? It just so happens that this OP is about red shirts only so your point has been made and understood. Typical nasty little post.

Wonderful example of double standards - from a poster who deflects every post against PTP he can and tries to denigrate anyone who dares post against PTP, UDD, reds, Thaksin and his family.

Your own posts often contain comments deriding the poster, his style or choice of words - all aimed to deflect and try and create the idea that your posts are somehow reality and have some official sanction.

News flash - most people see through the charade and treat comments such as "Typical nasty little post" with the contempt they deserve.

Must be hard spending so much time and effort trying to defend the undefendable and relying on insulting the poster or deflecting the thread.

[fab4]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Ever thought that the people who live by violence may not follow the Buddhist doctrine?

Your post is an oblique suggestion that the red shirts mentioned in the OP have killed or condoned the killing of others, whilst you deflect criticism by adding the rider, "applies to everybody and all sides"? It just so happens that this OP is about red shirts only so your point has been made and understood. Typical nasty little post.

I total agree that anybody/everybody who lives by violence is not following Buddhist doctrine - that was part of my point.

My views on the murder of the Poet I made on the thread when it was reported.

This thread is about the response to that. If I am guilty of anything it would be thread drift but I think that you are often guilty of that.

I do congratulate you on analysing what you wrote - Typical nasty little post.

I was analysing what you wrote, but you already knew that. I stand by my analysis.

[fab4]

Wonderful example of double standards - from a poster who deflects every post against PTP he can and tries to denigrate anyone who dares post against PTP, UDD, reds, Thaksin and his family.

Your own posts often contain comments deriding the poster, his style or choice of words - all aimed to deflect and try and create the idea that your posts are somehow reality and have some official sanction.

News flash - most people see through the charade and treat comments such as "Typical nasty little post" with the contempt they deserve.

Must be hard spending so much time and effort trying to defend the undefendable and relying on insulting the poster or deflecting the thread.

Next

[mikemac]

He's doing it again ! Nice deflection though.

[jaidam]

"What else [could be the cause] if not politics?" Sombat asked.

1. Causing someone to lose face.

2. Messing around with someone else's wife/girlfriend.

3. An unpaid debt.

...that's just for starters...!!

Good list, but you missed the most likely cause. Outliving his usefulness to the life-long leader of the lanna republic. Remember Sae Deng and his spectacular vaporizing head?

Edited May 3, 2014 by jaidam

[NeilSA1]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

Ever thought that the people who live by violence may not follow the Buddhist doctrine?

Your post is an oblique suggestion that the red shirts mentioned in the OP have killed or condoned the killing of others, whilst you deflect criticism by adding the rider, "applies to everybody and all sides"? It just so happens that this OP is about red shirts only so your point has been made and understood. Typical nasty little post.

I total agree that anybody/everybody who lives by violence is not following Buddhist doctrine - that was part of my point.

My views on the murder of the Poet I made on the thread when it was reported.

This thread is about the response to that. If I am guilty of anything it would be thread drift but I think that you are often guilty of that.

I do congratulate you on analysing what you wrote - Typical nasty little post.

I was analysing what you wrote, but you already knew that. I stand by my analysis.

Typical nasty little post.

[Morch]

In respect of Kamol Duangphasuk and this centenary year of Dylan Thomas' birth.

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175907

I find putting the two names in the same sentence almost offensive, especially in the context of the the linked poem.

[JRSoul]

I would have thought that insecurity would be the least of most red shirt leaders' mental health problems.

[siampolee]

Baerboxer post # 22.

Must be hard spending so much time and effort trying to defend the undefendable and relying on insulting the poster or deflecting the thread.

You really must forgive fab4 he is labouring under the delusion that he is a pithy social commentator and is failing miserably.

Unlike fab4 I was born out of wedlock, thus I don't have to work at it.

[american12bthai]

Thailand is a Buddhist country so maybe we should listen to what The Buddha taught about killing and its consequences.

"There is the case where a disciple of the noble ones, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from taking life. In doing so, he gives freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings. In giving freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, freedom from oppression to limitless numbers of beings, he gains a share in limitless freedom from danger, freedom from animosity, and freedom from oppression. This is the first gift, the first great gift — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that is not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and is unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans." — AN 8.39

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/gettingmessage.html

In my words people will live in fear of receiving what the have given (or condoned others giving)

Applies to everybody and all sides

CORRECTION, have you seen the temples? have you seen the chinese gods? the Hindi gods, the tao, shinto, gods? have you seen all the chinese temples? thailand ISNOT A BUDDHIST country anymore if all the followers are BUYING trinkets to ward off .... whatever it is they FEAR, worshiping idols that are clearly not buddahs image. I dont remember Buddah having 100 arms. but i see that in temples often. next to some chinese looking dude. so, dont lie to me when you say thailand is a buddhist country. ... Santika had a GIANT cross inside the building and on the dance floor, so was it a church? nope. its only death now.

BUT, i do agree with you and Buddha's teachings. SAD thing is ... nobody cares. except to save their face. in todays mind, money trumps happiness. .. i only hope i am wrong about what will happen. If your idea of reincarnation is right. we will see alot more dogs on the street. ( i honestly like dogs and think they are the best loyal pets ever) Unlike a thai.

[winstonc]

Baerboxer post # 22.

Must be hard spending so much time and effort trying to defend the undefendable and relying on insulting the poster or deflecting the thread.

You really must forgive fab4 he is labouring under the delusion that he is a pithy social commentator and is failing miserably.

Unlike fab4 I was born out of wedlock, thus I don't have to work at it.

hahahaha nice one sir..as i said before shes scraping the barrel..dont know why she even bothers...