Mother Denounces PCAD Guards' Brutal Assault On Her Son

[binjalin]

Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

Damn, beat me to it.

You are most wise on the topic

ps. anyone who orders people to shoot and beat up people are thugs, regardless of their wardrobe choice

You imply that Buddha Issara ordered his guards to beat up and shoot people. Please provide some evidence of that.

he is their 'leader' and, by implication, this fake monk is the leader of thugs

[casualbiker]

@cb, yes but check your dates

Ok.. enlightened one what date did he talk about politics?

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[ClutchClark]

This must be a mistake, the courts said they were unarmed and peaceful. And can we stop calling that thug a monk, it is insulting to real Buddhists

Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

So in 475BCE The Buddha closed down any discussion of politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path ... really?

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Politicians have been around much longer than that my good man.

Even the Bible refers to the "serpent" being there in the Time of the First Man.

Or was that a reference to attorneys?

[geriatrickid]

It is understood that the guards were under the command of Buddhist monk and hard-line PCAD leader Buddha Issara.

What a low life piece of scum this thing is and who does this filthy piece of excrement answer to? I wonder is it is the angel and messiah sent from above, the dog face Suthep.

Throws on some robes and thinks he is free to do as he pleases and is untouchable.

Wow! Have a beer or something and cool off! Please also exercise a little restraint and politeness. Inflammatory name-calling isn't particularly helpful, useful, or pleasant.

Well aren't you special GA Bruce. Tell you what, the next time the knuckle draggers let loose with their barrage of misogynistic hateful comments directed at the Prime Minister, you post your comment and I will be there to support you 100%, ok? I can't say, I have ever seen you make such a statement during the usual barrage of hate, but then I suppose it was just an oversight on your part and you wouldn't be a hypocrite right?

[chooka]

It is understood that the guards were under the command of Buddhist monk and hard-line PCAD leader Buddha Issara.

What a low life piece of scum this thing is and who does this filthy piece of excrement answer to? I wonder is it is the angel and messiah sent from above, the dog face Suthep.

Throws on some robes and thinks he is free to do as he pleases and is untouchable.

Wow! Have a beer or something and cool off! Please also exercise a little restraint and politeness. Inflammatory name-calling isn't particularly helpful, useful, or pleasant.

Yea your right, he is after all man of god and I should be kissing his feet, worshipping the ground he walks on and support him even if the vermin makes me sick. I am sorry but I just can't bring myself to support this evil person.

Edited May 5, 2014 by chooka

[gangrel]

It is understood that the guards were under the command of Buddhist monk and hard-line PCAD leader Buddha Issara.

What a low life piece of scum this thing is and who does this filthy piece of excrement answer to? I wonder is it is the angel and messiah sent from above, the dog face Suthep.

Throws on some robes and thinks he is free to do as he pleases and is untouchable.

Wow! Have a beer or something and cool off! Please also exercise a little restraint and politeness. Inflammatory name-calling isn't particularly helpful, useful, or pleasant.

Yea your right, he is after all man of god.

Adding ignorance of Buddhism to your inventory of inflammatory name-calling doesn't help your case.

[culicine]

This must be a mistake, the courts said they were unarmed and peaceful. And can we stop calling that thug a monk, it is insulting to real Buddhists

Most Thais wouldn't know the true essence of Buddhism if it slapped them in the face. This Monk is just the tip of the iceberg. Thai's are 'Thai' first, then Buddhist a distance second. Buddhism here is a just a lucky charm for most. Just look around.

[Morch]

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Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

Umm, considering your posting style, I wouldn't have suspected you to be an expert on Buddhist conduct.

Wonders never cease.

i lived in a thai temple for almost 1 year, and im sure if the question was asked in the buddhist forum, there are probably a few ex-monks that will confirm the rules

Really? Thought that temple life tend to instill a measure of moderation and humility, a wee bit more detached and peaceful approach and such.

[Morch]

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Col. Witthawat Wattanakul, a staff officer at the Royal Thai Armed Force Headquarters, was taken to hospital after he was beaten and shot by a group of "guards" working for the anti-government People's Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD) on Chaeng Wattana Road in the early morning of 25 April.

The ironic thing is, he was probably shot with army bullets from army guns.

His boss did nothing, the PDRC guards can shoot soldiers it seems, but I bet if the soldiers shot the guards, he's do something.

The irony may be even greater as many of the PDRC guards are active military.

I'm sure you can support that claim with something better than the link provided in the quote?

[Bluespunk]

Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

Damn, beat me to it.

You are most wise on the topic

ps. anyone who orders people to shoot and beat up people are thugs, regardless of their wardrobe choice

You imply that Buddha Issara ordered his guards to beat up and shoot people. Please provide some evidence of that.

he is their 'leader' and, by implication, this fake monk is the leader of thugs

So no evidence then.

On another note, genuine question, is he not an ordained monk then? I keep seeing him described as "fake" on various threads.

[Morch]

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The wounds to his feet were caused by shrapnel so it's entirely probable that the head injury caused by a lump of wood is more serious. In any event, what does it matter: he was attacked by hired goons in the direct employ of the maniacal monk. The sooner he's carted off to jail, the better.

How were his feet damaged by shrapnel. Did a grenade go off!

Any violence is reprehensible. But correct information is required where possible. Any link to the part about shrapnel ..I read "shot in the foot "

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His wife is a civilian. All she knows is that he was hit in the foot as a result of a gunfire. So she calls it "shrapnel." Frankly you show your own ignorance not to know that bullets can fragment on hitting hard objects, even by bones LIKE IN A FOOT, to create "shrapnel." She may have been more accurate than you realize.

CORRECTION - His mother...

Indeed, not to mention the ever present possibilities of "quality" reporting and "quality" translation.

[casualbiker]

Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

Damn, beat me to it.

You are most wise on the topic

ps. anyone who orders people to shoot and beat up people are thugs, regardless of their wardrobe choice

You imply that Buddha Issara ordered his guards to beat up and shoot people. Please provide some evidence of that.

he is their 'leader' and, by implication, this fake monk is the leader of thugs

Yingluck is PM so by implication she is responsible for all that goes on in her government .. right?

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[Morch]

Can we stop with this immature name calling? Can we also stop to pretend to understand what a 'real' Buddhist is and would think?

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

95% of Thai Buddhists follow the Theravada school it seems. Not sure the Buddha really cared about politics though.

Anyway, we are talking about democratic anti-government protests which have been heavily politicised since the Yingluck government pushed through their blanket amnesty bill (which just by chance covered their first two years of governing as well).

So, back to civil conduct, please

BTW

"Buddhism in Thailand is largely of the Theravada school. Nearly 95% of Thailand's population is Buddhist of the Theravada school, though Buddhism in this country has become integrated with folk beliefs[1] as well as Chinese religions from the large Thai-Chinese population"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_in_Thailand

Well spun rubl, still using the "telling everybody else that they're off topic whilst slipping in the odd off topic comment yourself" tactic, I see

Anyway, we are talking about democratic anti-government protests which have been heavily politicised since the Yingluck government pushed through their blanket amnesty bill (which just by chance covered their first two years of governing as well).

Do democratic anti government protests normally involve severe beatings and euphemistic "warning shots" for people who have the temerity to remove traffic cones that are illegally blocking roads?

Most democratic anti-government protest elsewhere might not be a regular target for violent attacks. The would also be provided adequate security by the police. The blocking of roads etc. does happen to be a pretty normal feature in demonstrations, granted not usually prolonged as in Thailand.

[tingtongteesood]

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She added, "I would like to thank the PCAD for merely beating up my son instead of murdering him and dumping his body into a river. It's already such a great mercy on their part. And I would like to warn all citizens not to go near PCAD-occuied areas unless they absolutely have to."

pretty much sums it up.
people still defending these groups have put their blind hatred of Thaksin above any common sense

"Please don't protect the wrongdoer. This country will not survive if wrongdoers are not punished."

She nailed it there, but I would guess survival is looking rather shakey.

Indeed, since not a single wrongdoer from 2010 (remember the burning of Bangkok by the reds?) has been punished. In fact many of them were made MPs by this travesty of a government.

Indeed. This country will not survive.

Moonao is full of nonsense as ever.

Whizbang pretty much sums it up.
people still defending this useless criminal PTP government have put their blind love of Thaksin and hatred of everyone else above any common sense

[MMarlow]

"The most serious injury Col. Witthawat has received was the wound he received from a PCAD guard who swung a wooden stick at his head, narrowly missing his eyes, Ms. Bang-onrat said."

And we were all told he was shot in the foot/feet?

Yes we were, and yes he was, well, his legs.

[tingtongteesood]

I won't even comment on the topic at hand. Suffice to say the double standards on display from the red sheeple Thaksin ass kissers is breath taking as ever !

[soalbundy]

Today Col. Witthawat's family lodged a formal complaint to the police at Thoong Song Hong Police Station, urging the authorities to arrest and prosecute the guards who assaulted Col. Witthawat.

Speaking to reporters in a pres conference at the police station, Col. Witthawat's mother Bang-onrat Wattanakul said she has returned the compensation money to the PCAD through the army staff because her son's life "cannot be bought with money".

Ms. Bang-onrat, 76, also refused to accept PCAD's apology, insisting that she would only settle the matter via formal legal procedures.

"There is no need for an apology. I pardon all of the perpetrators, but the laws is still inviolable," Ms. Bang-onrat said.

She continued, "This is not about politics, it is about my son getting beat up without a chance to defend himself. He has no opportunity to demand fairness. My son is a disciplined solider. He has no desire to take revenge,"

Furthermore, Ms Bang-onrat called on Buddha Issara to identify and send the perpetrators who assaulted her son to the police for the legal prosecution.

"If Buddha Issara is a true man, he has to accept whatever wrongdoing he has done," the colonel's mother said, "Please don't protect the wrongdoer. This country will not survive if wrongdoers are not punished."

Good on her, that's the way to go.

No hush money, no useless apologies.

Hope they get justice, and that the colonel gets well soon.

Doesn't matter which side you support, this sort of thing cannot be condoned.

She cant be Thai if she gave the money back perhaps she is holding out for more "Top it up with another 100,000 and i'll forget it" Poker the Thai way..

[rubl]

The Buddha explicitly closed down any discussion on politics as not relevant to the Buddhist path. These are the theravada scriptures, the ones Thai monks live by.

This monk is a fake one, a thugish one, and an absolute disgrace to Thai buddhism

Damn, beat me to it.

You are most wise on the topic

ps. anyone who orders people to shoot and beat up people are thugs, regardless of their wardrobe choice

You imply that Buddha Issara ordered his guards to beat up and shoot people. Please provide some evidence of that.

he is their 'leader' and, by implication, this fake monk is the leader of thugs

Crummy logic and pure defamation.

Before you know it you'll even accuse k. Jatuporn as leader of the UDD

[Prbkk]

I don't enjoy speaking ill of those holding religious office but this monk is unusually repulsive and evil.He must be punished severely

[Morch]

I don't enjoy speaking ill of those holding religious office but this monk is unusually repulsive and evil.He must be punished severely

Well, you repeat it often enough, so maybe you do enjoy it just a tiny bit?

Repulsive, ok....that's maybe a matter of personal preferences, but pray tell - how is he unusually evil?

[rubl]

I don't enjoy speaking ill of those holding religious office but this monk is unusually repulsive and evil.He must be punished severely

Well, you repeat it often enough, so maybe you do enjoy it just a tiny bit?

Repulsive, ok....that's maybe a matter of personal preferences, but pray tell - how is he unusually evil?

Tjeez man, does everything need to be spelled out for you?

The monk is 'unusually evil' because he's anti-Yingluck-government

[Baerboxer]

Col. Witthawat Wattanakul, a staff officer at the Royal Thai Armed Force Headquarters, was taken to hospital after he was beaten and shot by a group of "guards" working for the anti-government People's Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King As Head of State (PCAD) on Chaeng Wattana Road in the early morning of 25 April.

The ironic thing is, he was probably shot with army bullets from army guns.

His boss did nothing, the PDRC guards can shoot soldiers it seems, but I bet if the soldiers shot the guards, he's do something.

Do you have any evidence to support your guess?

No - so it's a guess then, not a probability.

[Stan7444]

"The most serious injury Col. Witthawat has received was the wound he received from a PCAD guard who swung a wooden stick at his head, narrowly missing his eyes, Ms. Bang-onrat said."

And we were all told he was shot in the foot/feet?

The wounds to his feet were caused by shrapnel so it's entirely probable that the head injury caused by a lump of wood is more serious. In any event, what does it matter: he was attacked by hired goons in the direct employ of the maniacal monk. The sooner he's carted off to jail, the better.

I would imagine the military police should also become involved since this was a brutal attack on a military officer. They should also press charges against this crazy monk since these thugs were under his control and one would assume following his direct orders.

[moonao]

its clear that this fake monk is abusing his position and abusing Buddhism for political gain.

below are some of the rules from the scriptures, the same ones Thais monks follow.

A bhikkhu's wrong mode of livelihood also includes:

"running messages and errands for kings, ministers of state, householders, etc. A modern example would be participating in political campaigns." (BMC p.152)

The very serious Sa"nghaadisesa Rule (requiring formal meetings of the Community) of 'corrupting families'[116] concerns the proper relationship that bhikkhus should develop with lay followers.

"The term 'corrupter of families' is one way of speech used by a group of bhikkhus. It does not mean that a bhikkhu gets angry, takes revenge, injures or destroys another's wealth. The meaning is that a bhikkhu flatters by behaving as a layman, or by serving lay people, or by hoping for gains, giving a little to get much. Doing this a bhikkhu is called a corrupter of families because he makes lay people decline in faith which is the cause for the possession of skillfulness. Although a bhikkhu behaving in that way may please some laymen, yet they will not respect him as a bhikkhu, only treating him as an inferior friend. The term 'of bad behavior,' refers to behavior beyond the bounds of a [recluse's] conduct, for instance, playfully associating with girls in a family, or playing games, naughtiness or joking, singing and dancing." (Paat. 1969 Ed., p.157)

... Or in the fake yellow shirt monks case, leading gun toting thugs in a political protest.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/ariyesako/layguide.html#fn-116

[MGP]

Haters, I recommend that you go to Chaengwatana (during the day ) to have a direct conversation with Luang Pu. He is very accessible and keen to talk with visitors. I cannot say if that would change your mind, but perhaps you will learn something, and then you could say that your words are written as a consequence of your experience, not speculation.

For those that have mentioned that Thai Buddishm is Theravada, the teachings of Buddha Isara are not 100% Theravada but have a large component of Mahayana. You may immediately recognize the Mahayana influence if you visit Wat Onoi, since the new temple is being constructed by handcrafters from Tibet. There are many differences between Theravada and Mahayana, and one of them is the Bodhisattva vow to remain in the circle of rebirths in order to help all living beings – and that may involve fighting against evil.

Here is a picture of a Bodhisatva in Wat Onoi, stepping on evil Thaksin in one of his former lives:

Edited May 5, 2014 by MGP

[fab4]

pretty much sums it up.

people still defending these groups have put their blind hatred of Thaksin above any common sense

II walk past almost daily as my office is on RamaIV. Till now I haven't felt any insecurity. Mind you, I'm also not (trying to) remove barricades, walk around armed, drive around at night and so.

With the other anti-government protesters It was different. Those grenade attacks were aimed at non-red-shirts and luckily I passed Dusit to BTS Saladaeng a few hours before grenades rained down.

Just knew you'd get that grenade story in somewhere, no matter how irrelevant and off topic.

What's up rubl, you normally back up the army soldiers when they are found responsible for shooting unarmed civilians, yet here you are suggesting the soldier was asking for it sorry, deserved to feel "insecure" (presumably by "insecure" you mean being at risk of a severe beating and being shot at), because he had the temerity to remove "barricades", (actually traffic cones), walk (he was driving a car and got out to remove the cones) around armed (there are no reports in the media that I can find that say he was armed - I'm not sure that his work as a Deputy Director of the International Relations division under the Directorate of Joint Intelligence would require him to be armed) then you say he was driving at night (didn't realise this was not allowed in Bangkok).

Now why is that rubl, why the change of heart? Oh wait a minute, this is your latest cause to support, isn't it, anything/anyone as long as it is not Thaksin, the PTP or the UDD.

Oh well, nothing like a good embellishment to take one's mind off embarrassing facts.

My dear chap, I was responding to the sarcastic part of the quote "And I would like to warn all citizens not to go near PCAD-occuied areas unless they absolutely have to."

Now, pray tell how my reply can be seen as off topic or 'grenade' inspired?

BTW initial reports indicate "Buddha Issara said he'd been told the colonel acted intoxicated' and "his superior admitted that the colonel acted as if intoxicated'.

The rest of your post is just baiting for me to go off topic or lose my temper. Forget it,

You don't normally have problems seeing when something is off topic. Admittedly that is as long as it is other people you're checking up on.

Really, if you can't see what is off topic about your post which relates your tale from 2010 about if you had been 3 hours later or earlier, I forgot which, at a BTS station you could have been in mortal danger from grenades, in a thread about a PCAD Guards brutal attack on a soldier in 2014, there is something wrong.

And before you go postal just remember you were replying, not to a sarcastic warning about PCAD areas, you were replying to Moonmaos post which states this

"pretty much sums it up.

people still defending these groups have put their blind hatred of Thaksin above any common sense"

Surely after all your thousands of posts you know that if you want to reply to a specific post you find that post, and press quote. You don't reply to the post that's replying to that post. It's not rocket science.

You have a strange value set if you regard the mothers warning after her son was hospitalised by PCAD thugs as sarcastic, but in your tireless pursuit of defending the indefensible, I suppose anything goes.

[fab4]

Haters, I recommend that you go to Chaengwatana (during the day ) to have a direct conversation with Luang Pu. He is very accessible and keen to talk with visitors. I cannot say if that would change your mind, but perhaps you will learn something, and then you could say that your words are written as a consequence of your experience, not speculation.

For those that have mentioned that Thai Buddishm is Theravada, the teachings of Buddha Isara are not 100% Theravada but have a large component of Mahayana (although his monks follow the Vinnaya rules). You may inmediately recognize the Mahayana influence if you visit Wat Onoi, since the new temple is being constructed by handcrafters from Tibet. There are many differences between Theravada and Mahayana, and one of them is the Bodhisattva vow to remain in the circle of rebirths in order to help all living beings – and that may involve fighting against evil.

Here is a picture of a Bodhisatva in Wat Onoi, crushing the body of evil Thaksin in one of his former lives:

Do you think you could get a bigger picture to illustrate your political nous?

[gabruce]

It is understood that the guards were under the command of Buddhist monk and hard-line PCAD leader Buddha Issara.

What a low life piece of scum this thing is and who does this filthy piece of excrement answer to? I wonder is it is the angel and messiah sent from above, the dog face Suthep.

Throws on some robes and thinks he is free to do as he pleases and is untouchable.

Wow! Have a beer or something and cool off! Please also exercise a little restraint and politeness. Inflammatory name-calling isn't particularly helpful, useful, or pleasant.

Well aren't you special GA Bruce. Tell you what, the next time the knuckle draggers let loose with their barrage of misogynistic hateful comments directed at the Prime Minister, you post your comment and I will be there to support you 100%, ok? I can't say, I have ever seen you make such a statement during the usual barrage of hate, but then I suppose it was just an oversight on your part and you wouldn't be a hypocrite right?

I may be a hypocrite. Somehow or other the vitriol on this one ticked me off more than usual.

My opinion is that there is no place for writing like this, whether the target is Yingluck, Thaksin, Buddha Issara, Suthep, Abhisit etc.

And yes, my views do definitely side with thinking that the PTP and UDD are dangerous for Thailand, so I probably don't notice hate directed to the other side as much - no excuse and I'll be more aware of that in the future. Thanks for the comment.

[fab4]

Well aren't you special GA Bruce. Tell you what, the next time the knuckle draggers let loose with their barrage of misogynistic hateful comments directed at the Prime Minister, you post your comment and I will be there to support you 100%, ok? I can't say, I have ever seen you make such a statement during the usual barrage of hate, but then I suppose it was just an oversight on your part and you wouldn't be a hypocrite right?

I may be a hypocrite. Somehow or other the vitriol on this one ticked me off more than usual.

My opinion is that there is no place for writing like this, whether the target is Yingluck, Thaksin, Buddha Issara, Suthep, Abhisit etc.

And yes, my views do definitely side with thinking that the PTP and UDD are dangerous for Thailand, so I probably don't notice hate directed to the other side as much - no excuse and I'll be more aware of that in the future. Thanks for the comment.

How about directed at other posters? You need only look to the first entry on this page and you get this pearl of wisdom

"I won't even comment on the topic at hand. Suffice to say the double standards on display from the red sheeple Thaksin ass kissers is breath taking as ever !"

[binjalin]

Haters, I recommend that you go to Chaengwatana (during the day ) to have a direct conversation with Luang Pu. He is very accessible and keen to talk with visitors. I cannot say if that would change your mind, but perhaps you will learn something, and then you could say that your words are written as a consequence of your experience, not speculation.

For those that have mentioned that Thai Buddishm is Theravada, the teachings of Buddha Isara are not 100% Theravada but have a large component of Mahayana. You may immediately recognize the Mahayana influence if you visit Wat Onoi, since the new temple is being constructed by handcrafters from Tibet. There are many differences between Theravada and Mahayana, and one of them is the Bodhisattva vow to remain in the circle of rebirths in order to help all living beings – and that may involve fighting against evil.

Here is a picture of a Bodhisatva in Wat Onoi, stepping on evil Thaksin in one of his former lives:

then the fake monk should learn from HH Dalai Lama - a peaceful and true Mahayana leader who is opposite ends to this thug leading political meddler