Which type of oxygen cylinder connection is used in Thailand?

[wailee]

Please can someone who is familiar with this help. I need to specify which oxygen tank/cylinder connector is used in Thailand. Is it type A or B in the attached?

Also, if any recommendation of a Bangkok supplier of the tank, that would be helpful too. Thanks.

Edited May 24, 2014 by wailee

[harrry]

neither of those. The type used here is the german type I believe.

I am attaching a link to the regulator fitting that they use here. If you use any other you will have difficulty in getting it fillled. http://www.precisionmedical.com/homecare/oxygen-conservers/easypulse5 look at the 540 connection.

the cylynder has the male fitting and the regulator scews over it.;

I use oxygen here so if you need any information it will be best if you pm me with details of just what you are looking for and I can tell you if it probably will be availoable here.

[h90]

I don't know but O2 cylinder are widely used in scuba diving. For technical divers and for emergency oxygen.

In Pattaya is British specialist who also service O2 equipment and surely knows all kind of connector and most probably has an adapter.

If needed I can search my database for his email....

[harrry]

Medical oxygen cylinders can be bought at most large pharmacies. There are however a few places which can refill them rather than just change them over. A heavy iron Dsixe cylinder here costs round 2500 and refils about 70 baht

Lighter aluminium cylinders are available at about 6000baht.

Regulators cost about w2000 baht but using these will only last about 3 hours on a D cylinder. Conserving regulators here are rare because of the cost but I do know one place in Bangkok that sells them. THey cost about 17000baht. (they are about $600 in the US though) A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

[bigwilly]

wailee

Definately A , I bought the same one at Fascino Pattaya 12 months ago and still have it. Fits the medical oxygen bottle purchased at Fascino also. Regulator valve mask etc cost 2,000Baht.

Regards BW.

[Naam]

Medical oxygen cylinders can be bought at most large pharmacies. There are however a few places which can refill them rather than just change them over. A heavy iron Dsixe cylinder here costs round 2500 and refils about 70 baht

Lighter aluminium cylinders are available at about 6000baht.

Regulators cost about w2000 baht but using these will only last about 3 hours on a D cylinder. Conserving regulators here are rare because of the cost but I do know one place in Bangkok that sells them. THey cost about 17000baht. (they are about $600 in the US though) A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

conserving regulator, stepless from 1-6l/h, available at Fascino, cost 3,850 Baht.

both, regulator and cylinder are rated up to 350bar/3000psi but refills are done at a maximum pressure of 150bar/1500psi, lasting ~4hours @ 2l/h.

[harrry]

Medical oxygen cylinders can be bought at most large pharmacies. There are however a few places which can refill them rather than just change them over. A heavy iron Dsixe cylinder here costs round 2500 and refils about 70 baht

Lighter aluminium cylinders are available at about 6000baht.

Regulators cost about w2000 baht but using these will only last about 3 hours on a D cylinder. Conserving regulators here are rare because of the cost but I do know one place in Bangkok that sells them. THey cost about 17000baht. (they are about $600 in the US though) A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

conserving regulator, stepless from 1-6l/h, available at Fascino, cost 3,850 Baht.

both, regulator and cylinder are rated up to 350bar/3000psi but refills are done at a maximum pressure of 150bar/1500psi, lasting ~4hours @ 2l/h.

Sorry Naam. you obviously have not bought and used oxygen regularly here.

Sometimes there is a diference beetween wahat the engineering books say in practice and what is done in fact. I am sure when you weree working you found many things that did not work as the manafacturer specified.

I am an oxgen user.

24 hours a day I am tied to my concentrator or tank. I use my concentrator mostly but when out use a tank. I know exactly how long they last when they are filled here. It is true there is one place 100 km from me which will fill to a slightly higher pressure.

Very few will. The tanks used here are second hand rejects improted from other countries where they have exceeded their safe life. There have been several deaths here of people filling Oxgen tanks which exploded. OK burst I guess if you want to be technical. Fillers are wary of this. There is an exception but this does not apply to medical oxygen fillers in general. I guess if you go to a western dive shop filling western certified and in date bottles you may get them filled correctly.

I can assure you if you sent me out with a botttle filled by a normal refiller here and left me for 4 hours you would be sentancing me to death. (now do not get any ideas anyone).

There is one warning I would give to those who think they need oxygen. It should never be used except under the instructions of a doctor. People with COPD (probably the ones who thing that if they buy an bottle it will help) can be affected by a build of of CO2 aand this leads to death. Most people can eliminate the co2 without problem but people with COPD are at risk. Excessive flow rates should not be used.

All

[harrry]

Medical oxygen cylinders can be bought at most large pharmacies. There are however a few places which can refill them rather than just change them over. A heavy iron Dsixe cylinder here costs round 2500 and refils about 70 baht

Lighter aluminium cylinders are available at about 6000baht.

Regulators cost about w2000 baht but using these will only last about 3 hours on a D cylinder. Conserving regulators here are rare because of the cost but I do know one place in Bangkok that sells them. THey cost about 17000baht. (they are about $600 in the US though) A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

conserving regulator, stepless from 1-6l/h, available at Fascino, cost 3,850 Baht.

both, regulator and cylinder are rated up to 350bar/3000psi but refills are done at a maximum pressure of 150bar/1500psi, lasting ~4hours @ 2l/h.

Naam could you send me the brand and model of the regulator they have in Fascinos. I know there are cheaper conserving regulators than the one I use available in the US. They do not have the same pulse characteristics but could be OK.

I am interested as I could do with a replacement for the one I have and would ratherr not pay that much.

As I am in the North I cannot get to fascinos myself. No one here knows of them.

[h90]

For refill, if close to the beach, scuba companies could be an option.

One company told me that everytime they check the emergency O2, it is empty, because the Thai staff use it. It seems when you have a bad hangover from drinking and put yourself on 100% O2 for an hour it will be better.

I saw some refill from big welding 300 bar tanks, which they also use to mix Nitrox (Air with increased O2). Also many of these companies are can check and certify these tanks.

These scuba tanks are easily available from 3 to 20 liter. And maybe with some big tanks at home the refill can be done yourself?

Generally O2 is a bit dangerous but the usual Dive Shop staff aren't Nobel price winners as well....

[harrry]

I found this which explains the different types of fittings available.

http://www.danasiapacific.org/main/shop/oxy_regulators.php

this is the type of bottle fitting they use here.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/721120-mountain-dew-challenge/?p=7863370 I cannot figure how to get the exact link now try post 137 on that page.

Edited May 25, 2014 by harrry

[Naam]

Medical oxygen cylinders can be bought at most large pharmacies. There are however a few places which can refill them rather than just change them over. A heavy iron Dsixe cylinder here costs round 2500 and refils about 70 baht

Lighter aluminium cylinders are available at about 6000baht.

Regulators cost about w2000 baht but using these will only last about 3 hours on a D cylinder. Conserving regulators here are rare because of the cost but I do know one place in Bangkok that sells them. THey cost about 17000baht. (they are about $600 in the US though) A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

A conserving regulator allows about 10 hours on a d size cylinder at a flow rate of 2 litres a minute,

conserving regulator, stepless from 1-6l/h, available at Fascino, cost 3,850 Baht.

both, regulator and cylinder are rated up to 350bar/3000psi but refills are done at a maximum pressure of 150bar/1500psi, lasting ~4hours @ 2l/h.

Naam could you send me the brand and model of the regulator they have in Fascinos. I know there are cheaper conserving regulators than the one I use available in the US. They do not have the same pulse characteristics but could be OK.

I am interested as I could do with a replacement for the one I have and would ratherr not pay that much.

As I am in the North I cannot get to fascinos myself. No one here knows of them.

i answered your PM Harry.

[wailee]

Thanks to Harrry and Big Willy for the replies. The only problem is that you both say quite different replies. Perhaps it's worth clarifying further what I want. It is not a diving requirement but medical oxygen. My equipment will be supplied complete with a regulator (actually a paediatric regulator) and he gives me the choice of obtaining from him, either device A or B in my picture, for connection to my cylinder that I will need to purchase in Thailand.

According to BIg Willy, you bought the same as type A at Fascino already. This sounds more promising, but I'm hestitant that Harrry says otherwise.

I just need to be sure, but thanks for all the replies!

[harrry]

Thanks to Harrry and Big Willy for the replies. The only problem is that you both say quite different replies. Perhaps it's worth clarifying further what I want. It is not a diving requirement but medical oxygen. My equipment will be supplied complete with a regulator (actually a paediatric regulator) and he gives me the choice of obtaining from him, either device A or B in my picture, for connection to my cylinder that I will need to purchase in Thailand.

According to BIg Willy, you bought the same as type A at Fascino already. This sounds more promising, but I'm hestitant that Harrry says otherwise.

I just need to be sure, but thanks for all the replies!

I use mine for medical purposes. I posted two links above one has a photo of a truck supplying oxygen here. On the tanks can be seen the type actually used here. THe other link specified said

n the U.S.A (larger cylinders), Thailand, the Philippines, parts of Indonesia and certain other parts of Asia, many oxygen regulators are fitted with a CGA-540 threaded valve. A pin-index to CGA-540 adaptor will be required to enable a pin-index regulator to be fitted to these.

This is probly the correct description of the type used here.It should be possible to get an adaptor made up so that one can be used on the other but I have no way of actually finding out where I am.

I will try to get a photo of one of my bottles and if I do I will pm it to you. It may take a couple of days though.

If you could tell me where you expect to be in Thailand it could help to get more info.

I can asure you the type A is definately not the type generally available in Thailand.

THe photo on this page is definitely the common type here as said in the Dans page.

http://www.emtmedicalco.com/CGA-540-VALVE-FOR-SMALL-CYLINDERS-540.htm

Edited May 25, 2014 by harrry

[wailee]

... In the U.S.A (larger cylinders), Thailand, the Philippines, parts of Indonesia and certain other parts of Asia, many oxygen regulators are fitted with a CGA-540 threaded valve.

Thanks Harry. I did look at the link you sent earlier. I noticed that the site is for diving oxygen, is that correct?

Perhaps my best option is to visit a pharmacy and obtain the cylinder first, and then show the fitting to the supplier who is to send me the paediatric regulator?

[bigwilly]

wailee

Here are 2 photos of the kit I bought at Fascinos, you make your own mind up who is giving you the right info here.Cost 2,000Bt as you can see bye for now

Regards BW

Thanks to Harrry and Big Willy for the replies. The only problem is that you both say quite different replies. Perhaps it's worth clarifying further what I want. It is not a diving requirement but medical oxygen. My equipment will be supplied complete with a regulator (actually a paediatric regulator) and he gives me the choice of obtaining from him, either device A or B in my picture, for connection to my cylinder that I will need to purchase in Thailand.

According to BIg Willy, you bought the same as type A at Fascino already. This sounds more promising, but I'm hestitant that Harrry says otherwise.

I just need to be sure, but thanks for all the replies!

[wailee]

Thanks to all for the help. I have been to the local welding supplies store. Yes, it is medical oxygen. The type looks to be the same as Big Willy's advice, and type A in my original picture, exactly as Big Willy said.

I have posted pictures of the oxygen cylinder and also a picture of a medical regulator that the store had in stock. I did not need to buy the regulator, but I'm simply posting the picture here in case anyone else should find it helpful in the future, for clarification.

The medical oxygen tank cost Bt. 2,800 + Bt. 80 for the oxygen. Obviously it's mine to keep but they said they would buy it back for Bt. 1,800 if I don't need it any longer. The height of it is about 1 meter, maybe slightly more.

[h90]

Thanks to all for the help. I have been to the local welding supplies store. Yes, it is medical oxygen. The type looks to be the same as Big Willy's advice, and type A in my original picture, exactly as Big Willy said.

I have posted pictures of the oxygen cylinder and also a picture of a medical regulator that the store had in stock. I did not need to buy the regulator, but I'm simply posting the picture here in case anyone else should find it helpful in the future, for clarification.

The medical oxygen tank cost Bt. 2,800 + Bt. 80 for the oxygen. Obviously it's mine to keep but they said they would buy it back for Bt. 1,800 if I don't need it any longer. The height of it is about 1 meter, maybe slightly more.

how big and how many bar is it?

I got told that these days the welding O2 and the medical O2 is the same just the medical will be checked.....But please note it is rumor...got told from someone...might be wrong....

80 Baht for a fill might be also interesting for the scuba guys....