skyhi Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hi all, Two weeks ago my landlord came into my room here in Chiang Mai to fix the bed. A few days afterwards I discovered approx 8 grand had been taken from an envelope in my drawer - leaving 4 grand behind. For various reasons (visa run and ill health of my partner) I postponed asking them about it until 2 days ago, when I took a very softly softly approach, hoping to give them a chance to blame it on someone else, and give them the opportunity to 'discover' the money and return it. This did not happen. The landlord got very angry when my boyfriend questioned him about what might have happened and claimed that anyone could have picked the lock. Yesterday I had a long talk with the landlady woman to woman and she claimed it was totally impossible that it could have happened..stating clearly that she did not believe it had happened, and stating that the fact that not all the money was taken means it couldnt have been a robbery, but must be a mistake on my part. I really don't know if it is worth going to the police, when clearly it will be denied completely and I can't prove anything. Does anyone have any advice for me about this, whether to just let the thing go completely, or make plans to move out and then go to the police. Just not sure if it will achieve anything except a lot of stress. By the way, I am a young farang woman and I speak Thai well enough to walk into a police station and explain the situation. Don't think the landlord's family is 'connected' but of course can't be sure. Would be grateful for any comments you might have, I'm really not sure if the police will even give me the time of day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post MJCM Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 Please make sure before you accuse someone that you are accusing the right person, it will save you a lot of headache afterwards 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSteve Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yes, probably best to ask the mod's to change the title of this thread. If for any reason the owner wants to persue this, 8000B will be the least of your problems. Please make sure before you accuse someone that you are accusing the right person, it will save you a lot of headache afterwards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dante99 Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 Your landlord is right, anybody could have done it. What should you do? Do not leave large amounts of money in a drawer, try to find a better place. Do not go to the police accusing your landlord. Write it off and move on. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post onthedarkside Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 You say this alleged incident occured 2 weeks ago. I would suggest that it's too late now to make a police report. Leaving unsecured cash money in your rented apartmnt is a bad idea. Really nothing much you can do now other than to take it down as a hard lesson learned. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhi Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now! PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daoyai Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 Tuition payment to the school of hard knocks.....or something like that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar2 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now! PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right? CMSteve is normally pretty sensible. perhaps he missed something in the post or was in a hurry. no names have been mentioned....no worries skyhi...... but seriously....move on. nothing can be done. don't leave cash around in the future.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhi Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 thanks, appreciate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> Your landlord is right, anybody could have done it. What should you do? Do not leave large amounts of money in a drawer, try to find a better place. Do not go to the police accusing your landlord. Write it off and move on. Open a savings account, if you don't already have one, with an ATM card and the facility to deposit at any time in a cash deposit machine anywhere. So easy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherOneAmerican Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 Did your "partner" have access to your room? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhi Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 hi anotheroneamerican, yeah interesting, he has been a bit flush recently..... just kidding, we have shared finances anyway ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saakura Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 If you cant prove anything, then how are you so sure that it was the landlord who stole it? He may argue that it could have been your partner. If it was 8000 Baht and not usd or euro etc the best is to write it off as a lesson learned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherOneAmerican Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) hi anotheroneamerican, yeah interesting, he has been a bit flush recently..... just kidding, we have shared finances anyway ;-) My wife of 20+ years stole money from me. We also had shared finances. My children have stolen money from me. Not to mention my accountant, cashier, etc. Don't dismiss it as an option. Gambling, drugs and just plain greed do funny things to people. Throughout my life I have found the only people that haven't tried to steal from me (excluding my parents) are those that didn't have the opportunity. If I were to order the people most likely to steal money from someone, no.1 would always be the lover. no. 2 other family members. A landlord would be way down the list for theft, but high on the list for hidden cameras.. Edited June 20, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSteve Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 "CMSteve is normally pretty sensible" Thats an outright lie! It's highly unlikely that your landlord will ever see this... But there is always the chance that a friend of a friend...etc will talk about seeing a farang complaing that their landlord came in and stole 8000B... Just best not to put any direct accusations in writing. Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now! PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right? CMSteve is normally pretty sensible. perhaps he missed something in the post or was in a hurry. no names have been mentioned....no worries skyhi...... but seriously....move on. nothing can be done. don't leave cash around in the future.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post amykat Posted June 20, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 20, 2014 Hi skyhi, I'm sorry this happened to you! I just want to tell you that this used to happen to me quite often, my first few years in Thailand. It was never a maid, never a temp worker, it was ALWAYS a good friend. My "best friend in Thailand" was a woman who was the manager of the hotel where I stayed for long periods when I first came here, first got a house, bought a car, furniture, etc. She was the biggest scam artist ...and she stole money out of my purse regularly. I mean, probably every week for two years! And other things from my house. A lot of things! And other people, in a position of trust, also stole from me. I won't go into all the details, but a few of them got caught red-handed, and I would do things like have her hold my bag, while I was in the bathroom at a restaurant, and then when it came time to pay, I would notice, hey, it seems like I had 2000 bath more here, etc. I just couldn't imagine that these certain people, would do that!! So, yes, I would say, look to your B/F first?? It also seems to be quite common, that friends, b/f' and g/f's, sisters, family members, steal from each other. I also know this, because my "best friend" started calling upon me to lie and say "I bought her this new TV" or various other things, because she didn't want to tell her b/f that she stole the money from their business. (Later, they started their own guesthouse, probably mostly with my money.) He also "stole" things from her when he was short of cash, and I have had several other Thai people tell me the same kind of stories. They seem not to think, that this really counts as stealing, and if YOU are POLITE, you just won't mention it. Or they do think it is stealing and just don't care, I am not sure. But it would be fairly easy, to be a thief and wait until there could be someone else to blame, and then steal, and like now ...you just can't imagine HE did it, but are SURE the landlord did. I also have a safe, and always have had one, but I used to carry a lot more cash on a daily basis, then I do now. I started writing down everything I spent, and then I started leaving ZERO money in my bag, unless I was on my way out, when I would get it out of the safe. Later, I got rid of all my Thai friends, and never let them in my house, etc, I got pretty paranoid, but since then, nothing has gone missing for YEARS, and I NEVER seem to think, "I had more money when I left home today, than I have now?" I always seem to know exactly how much I have, and am right! I hope it works out for you ...good luck! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyhi Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 really sorry to hear that anotheroneamerican. trust is everything. i've also seen family robbery (in the thai side of my family). and amykat - awful experiences. my partner and I did business in India for a number of years, so I've been through similar. to contextualise, the BF is British and brings in more income than I do, so it just doesnt make sense that he would be a suspect, even if I didn't trust him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherOneAmerican Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 really sorry to hear that anotheroneamerican. trust is everything. i've also seen family robbery (in the thai side of my family). and amykat - awful experiences. my partner and I did business in India for a number of years, so I've been through similar. to contextualise, the BF is British and brings in more income than I do, so it just doesnt make sense that he would be a suspect, even if I didn't trust him If you have shared finances and can see how much he is spending and on what, Thailand would provide him reasons for wanting money you can't see him spending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amykat Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 HI skyhi, Thanks for you post. I have to say, I expected your b/f was a local guy. So, yes, this makes it more unlikely, I suppose? I hope!! LIke AOA, I also was married to an American man, a very successful guy, and he did also steal from me/us, and plot and plan a lot of sleazy things, that I would never have expected, and 10 years later, still am totally amazed/shocked. So, I guess I wouldn't rule it out, but I would think it is less likely if he is British. I want to say something more, but afraid I will get in trouble here, so I will leave it at that. Lucky it was a relatively small amount of money, and maybe you should just get a safe, and keep your stuff there anyway. I find it good for important papers, any jewelry I brought to Thailand, so it isn't just sitting around for any person to take, including a casual burglar, it is good to keep some amount of cash here, (I think, in case, you lose your ATM card, or the network goes down, or floods, or coups, or whatever) or when I vacation I lock even more things in there ...someone can take it, but it is a lot of effort, as I have one that takes 4 men to move ...I have always had this even in the US, and have been successful this way.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amykat Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 really sorry to hear that anotheroneamerican. trust is everything. i've also seen family robbery (in the thai side of my family). and amykat - awful experiences. my partner and I did business in India for a number of years, so I've been through similar. to contextualise, the BF is British and brings in more income than I do, so it just doesnt make sense that he would be a suspect, even if I didn't trust him If you have shared finances and can see how much he is spending and on what, Thailand would provide him reasons for wanting money you can't see him spending. Yes, like my American husband, had a secret apartment to pay for and furnish, and the most SHOCKING to me, he had a THIRD car ...a total EXTRA car that he drove around, while living his "other" secret life, parking that at his apartment, driving his g/fs around in it, so they couldn't leave any evidence in one of our cars, etc. And the story only gets worse from there!! I thought I woke up in a movie one day, when the cards started to fall. A very bad, bad movie!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernjohn Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Sorry about your loss. Also sorry I don't have a tale of woe. I have never been stolen from here in Thailand. Other than probably paid to much a couple of times. I have and still do keep[ money in the room where with a minimum of effort a burglar could get it. Never had it happen. I do however have it in a locked cabinet that would take a few minutes to break into. I would just wright it off. You have made the landlord aware of the fact that you suspect money was taken and if it was him he would be very hesitant to do it again. If I really believed it was him I would be looking for a new place to live. If you paid a deposit that might be hard to get back. Which in turn would show you the kind of people they are. What ever you do I wish you the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muchogra Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 hi anotheroneamerican, yeah interesting, he has been a bit flush recently..... just kidding, we have shared finances anyway ;-) My wife of 20+ years stole money from me. We also had shared finances. My children have stolen money from me. Not to mention my accountant, cashier, etc. Don't dismiss it as an option. Gambling, drugs and just plain greed do funny things to people. Throughout my life I have found the only people that haven't tried to steal from me (excluding my parents) are those that didn't have the opportunity. If I were to order the people most likely to steal money from someone, no.1 would always be the lover. no. 2 other family members. A landlord would be way down the list for theft, but high on the list for hidden cameras.. One time, my wife sent our son to go with me into the safe deposit vault. It look me a while to figure out why. Earlier, she said a Buddha amulet embroidered in gold frame with studded diamonds and a set of gold coins were missing in the pile. Yeah, she didn't want me to have private money beside OUR money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry123 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now! PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right? yes indeed a very out of pocket school GIRL error 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muchogra Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 About 2 decades ago, more than 10 ounces of gold disappeared from home after my wife showed her nephew some of our jewelry. Her nephew was on drug then. What lost were gold necklaces, pendants, bracelets, etc given to her by my parents. Yes, the bulk of the pile was left untouched including a jade bracelet from the Han Dynasty. My gold Corum watch was also gone. All the glittering stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Thai Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> really sorry to hear that anotheroneamerican. trust is everything. i've also seen family robbery (in the thai side of my family). and amykat - awful experiences. my partner and I did business in India for a number of years, so I've been through similar. to contextualise, the BF is British and brings in more income than I do, so it just doesnt make sense that he would be a suspect, even if I didn't trust him Ok, thanks for the comments, it helps to remove any doubt that anything can be done about it. As for accusing directly - not something I would ever think of doing, no matter how sure I may be. Yeah - schoolboy error leaving cash in the room at all, should know better by now! PS are you serious that this post can be seen as an allegation CMSteve? - i'm assuming it's under conditions of anonymity/hypothetical question. I guess you mean if the guy himself was to see it, right? yes indeed a very out of pocket school GIRL error I spotted that as well, she also said she is a farang girl and her husband is British, yet she has a Thai side to her family that stole from her. Very strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junglechef Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Bank account with ATM and a safe deposit box for rarely used heirlooms, house book and maybe even a wad of greenbacks just in case. If you want some easily available cash around the house I'm sure one can find a good place to hide 10 thin 1000 THB bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 A fool and her money are soon parted,never put temptation in the way of anyone,and you will not loose anything. regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Sorry if this sounds off, but unless there's nothing of value in there, ALWAYS be in the room when a Thai person is in there working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umbanda Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 After accusing your Thai landord of robbery....I think will be better for you move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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