Put a deposit down on a Triton, now I find it has one airbag.

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Spent the last few days checking out the different models but eventually decided on a Triton double cab GLS with sat/nav. Unfortunately, they didn't have the model I wanted in the showroom, only the manual version whereas I wanted the automatic. I noticed that the manual only had drivers side airbag so I asked the sales guy if my model had two bags and he said yes, but reading all the specs it appears that only the 4X4 models have dual airbags. I can't believe that a truck as speccied up as the model I wanted, sat/nav, leather upholstery etc has only one airbag. They wouldn't even be allowed to sell it in Australia. I put a 5000 baht deposit down, so I don't know what my chances are of getting that back. Needless to say I'm p*ssed off!

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I might add that the model I chose is the top of the range of the 2 wheel drives. Next step up are the 4x4's. One airbag, what year is it, 1995? Even my 10 year old Isuzu D Max has twin airbags.

[stingray]

This is Thailand. Can't compare with Australia. Btw. i don't know the prices in Australia, but in Europe the same Pick Up cost 40% more than here. In my opinion air bags aren't really necessary. It's only cost more to repair, if have a accident.

I drive cars for over 30 years and i never had a airbag in my personal cars at all. But i still alive.

[golden farang]

Look like there's other differences to 4x4 models too,like the airvents on the plus has only 3 setting vs. 5 or 6 in the 4x4 Limited.

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This is Thailand. Can't compare with Australia. Btw. i don't know the prices in Australia, but in Europe the same Pick Up cost 40% more than here. In my opinion air bags aren't really necessary. It's only cost more to repair, if have a accident.

I drive cars for over 30 years and i never had a airbag in my personal cars at all. But i still alive.

Yes the same model Triton is more expensive in Australia but it has twin airbags at the front plus side curtain airbags plus airbags for rear seat passengers. Thai customers get stiffed, no question about it. Purely because the Thais don't put safety very high on their list of requirements when car buying. I'm surprised they bother to have seatbelts. People drove cars without seatbelts for 30 years as well, most survived, a lot didn't.

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This is Thailand. Can't compare with Australia. Btw. i don't know the prices in Australia, but in Europe the same Pick Up cost 40% more than here. In my opinion air bags aren't really necessary. It's only cost more to repair, if have a accident.

I drive cars for over 30 years and i never had a airbag in my personal cars at all. But i still alive.

Yes the same model Triton is more expensive in Australia but it has twin airbags at the front plus side curtain airbags plus airbags for rear seat passengers. Thai customers get stiffed, no question about it. Purely because the Thais don't put safety very high on their list of requirements when car buying. I'm surprised they bother to have seatbelts. People drove cars without seatbelts for 30 years as well, most survived, a lot didn't.

A visit to their website might have been able to save you some disappointment:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/en/Triton-Double-Cab/PLUS/Standard-Equipment

As for "Thai's getting stiffed" I don't see how you come to that conclusion when you immediately follow up by saying "Thai's don't put safety very high.." - I would think they were getting stiffed if they didn't want all those airbags, but were forced to buy them, no?

In any case, you can expect the next generation to include more airbags by default, now that ASEAN NCAP is running and being promoted more.

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This is Thailand. Can't compare with Australia. Btw. i don't know the prices in Australia, but in Europe the same Pick Up cost 40% more than here. In my opinion air bags aren't really necessary. It's only cost more to repair, if have a accident.

I drive cars for over 30 years and i never had a airbag in my personal cars at all. But i still alive.

Yes the same model Triton is more expensive in Australia but it has twin airbags at the front plus side curtain airbags plus airbags for rear seat passengers. Thai customers get stiffed, no question about it. Purely because the Thais don't put safety very high on their list of requirements when car buying. I'm surprised they bother to have seatbelts. People drove cars without seatbelts for 30 years as well, most survived, a lot didn't.

A visit to their website might have been able to save you some disappointment:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/en/Triton-Double-Cab/PLUS/Standard-Equipment

As for "Thai's getting stiffed" I don't see how you come to that conclusion when you immediately follow up by saying "Thai's don't put safety very high.." - I would think they were getting stiffed if they didn't want all those airbags, but were forced to buy them, no?

In any case, you can expect the next generation to include more airbags by default, now that ASEAN NCAP is running and being promoted more.

Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

[Thailaw]

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A visit to their website might have been able to save you some disappointment:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/en/Triton-Double-Cab/PLUS/Standard-Equipment

As for "Thai's getting stiffed" I don't see how you come to that conclusion when you immediately follow up by saying "Thai's don't put safety very high.." - I would think they were getting stiffed if they didn't want all those airbags, but were forced to buy them, no?

In any case, you can expect the next generation to include more airbags by default, now that ASEAN NCAP is running and being promoted more.

Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

From what I recall, airbags add very little safety/protection if the passenger is wearing a seat belt. Airbags are passve restraint, which require no action by the passenger to make them operative, unlike seatbelts. That is, to my knowledge, their primary value/benefit (side airbags may add some significant added protection when the car is hit from the side, but that is not an issue here). So, if everyone in the car/truck wears their seatbelt, they are probably being protected just about as well as if there was an airbag in front of them. So, what is being forced on them is to be lazy and still be well protected -- not sure what that is worth, but it certainly isn't as "black and white" as you try to make it.

I assume tha you put on a DOT approved safety helmet every time you move your car/truck out of the driveway -- it could save your life. And that you and all of your passengers wear kevlar body armour at al tims when driving in your car/truck (even the 1 km to the local 7/11) -- safety is very important. And if you don't wear a helmet and body armour, the government, who knows better how to protect you than you do, should force you to. And what ever truck you buy, make sure that the cab is reinforced with added roll protection and a 3" thick steel plate in the front to protect you in the event of a head on collision -- it will only add $12k to $15k to the cost of the truck (and make it look as ugly as keema), but safety is important and if you disagree, it and the cost should be forced on you. Next............

[Robert24]

Understand your frustration but may I ask why you bought a car that didn't meet your spec requirements? Manual instead automatic, 1 instead 2 airbags?

I've experienced similar issues that the Sales ladies for cars tell you things that aren't true. But it's fairly easy these days to check everything on the internet site from the car companies.I would suggest to always visit different showrooms to get the best deal on discounts and maybe they have the model you want. What I don't understand is that if you want the automatic gear version, why can't they order that?

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Understand your frustration but may I ask why you bought a car that didn't meet your spec requirements? Manual instead automatic, 1 instead 2 airbags?

I've experienced similar issues that the Sales ladies for cars tell you things that aren't true. But it's fairly easy these days to check everything on the internet site from the car companies.I would suggest to always visit different showrooms to get the best deal on discounts and maybe they have the model you want. What I don't understand is that if you want the automatic gear version, why can't they order that?

I haven't actually bought it as yet, only paid a deposit, and it is an automatic, they only had a manual on display, and if you read my initial post I said I was told by the salesman that what I ordered had two airbags. So where is it I bought a car that didn't meet my specs? I also said I'd spent the last few days checking out different models and also went to two different Mitsubishi dealers, bargaining for the best price. I got what I thought was a pretty good deal, with a 70,000 baht discount plus free insurance, road tax and a heap of extras. Of course there will always be someone who said they did better.

[ignis]

Airbags, good but how sure are you they even work ? [Toyota huge recall a few weeks ago re non working airbags]

On another point surprised with the NEW D-Max 2014, most you see on the roads 2 and 4 door VGS Z have NO airbags at all....... even the 2.5 V-Cross has NO airbags, you have to pay near a million to get 2 Airbags !!

My old D-Max SLX if I remember cost around 30,000 baht more for the model with ABS and 2 Airbags, maybe not looked the New D-Max has the 2 Airbag option ?

Lower models than the Triton double cab GLS Plus, have NO airbags at all.. what is normal in other places for years, appear just an option for the rich in Thailand, ABS and Airbags in both cars and Trucks and in 2014 models

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http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/en/Triton-Double-Cab/PLUS/Standard-Equipment

As for "Thai's getting stiffed" I don't see how you come to that conclusion when you immediately follow up by saying "Thai's don't put safety very high.." - I would think they were getting stiffed if they didn't want all those airbags, but were forced to buy them, no? alt=biggrin.png>

In any case, you can expect the next generation to include more airbags by default, now that ASEAN NCAP is running and being promoted more.

Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

From what I recall, airbags add very little safety/protection if the passenger is wearing a seat belt. Airbags are passve restraint, which require no action by the passenger to make them operative, unlike seatbelts. That is, to my knowledge, their primary value/benefit (side airbags may add some significant added protection when the car is hit from the side, but that is not an issue here). So, if everyone in the car/truck wears their seatbelt, they are probably being protected just about as well as if there was an airbag in front of them. So, what is being forced on them is to be lazy and still be well protected -- not sure what that is worth, but it certainly isn't as "black and white" as you try to make it.

I assume tha you put on a DOT approved safety helmet every time you move your car/truck out of the driveway -- it could save your life. And that you and all of your passengers wear kevlar body armour at al tims when driving in your car/truck (even the 1 km to the local 7/11) -- safety is very important. And if you don't wear a helmet and body armour, the government, who knows better how to protect you than you do, should force you to. And what ever truck you buy, make sure that the cab is reinforced with added roll protection and a 3" thick steel plate in the front to protect you in the event of a head on collision -- it will only add $12k to $15k to the cost of the truck (and make it look as ugly as keema), but safety is important and if you disagree, it and the cost should be forced on you. Next............

You make some very good points, you've convinced me to go ahead with the deal on the Triton.

[stevenl]

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Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

Older models of the brands you mention do. And you're buying an older model as well.

[KittenKong]

If the lack of a passenger airbag bothers you, just pay to have it fitted as an extra.

Personally I couldnt care less if my vehicle has two airbags or not: I use the belt. I'm also happy not to have the potential expense of getting the vehicle cleaned and the airbag replaced when it goes off for no reason.

As for being given false/incorrect information by salesmen; this happens constantly. You need to check every detail of everything for yourself and never have any faith in anything that is not written down.

[yankee99]

Most auto dealers return deposits without much trouble.

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Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

Older models of the brands you mention do. And you're buying an older model as well.

No I'm not, I'm buying a 2014 model. Just because it's been produced for 7 or 8 years doesn't mean there haven't been changes to the vehicle in that time, and as someone pointed out, there are plenty of NEW cars that still only have one airbag.

[stevenl]

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Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

Older models of the brands you mention do. And you're buying an older model as well.

No I'm not, I'm buying a 2014 model. Just because it's been produced for 7 or 8 years doesn't mean there haven't been changes to the vehicle in that time, and as someone pointed out, there are plenty of NEW cars that still only have one airbag.

Plenty of new cars with 1 airbag have nothing to do with your statement 'Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag'. You're buying in 2014, but the model is older. You can't compare a completely new developed car with one from almost 10 years ago. Compare your Triton with a Toyota, much fairer.

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Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

Older models of the brands you mention do. And you're buying an older model as well.

No I'm not, I'm buying a 2014 model. Just because it's been produced for 7 or 8 years doesn't mean there haven't been changes to the vehicle in that time, and as someone pointed out, there are plenty of NEW cars that still only have one airbag.

Plenty of new cars with 1 airbag have nothing to do with your statement 'Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag'. You're buying in 2014, but the model is older. You can't compare a completely new developed car with one from almost 10 years ago. Compare your Triton with a Toyota, much fairer.

I also said "I could be wrong" about those models only having a drivers side airbag. The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

[transam]

If you wanted an auto you should stick to that plan as a truck manual is .

My 2007 top of the range Vigo has 1 (drivers) airbag, later models I now believe have 2.

[bkkjames]

I also said "I could be wrong" about those models only having a drivers side airbag. The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

but can your passenger?

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I also said "I could be wrong" about those models only having a drivers side airbag. The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

but can your passenger?

Read the post #8 from Thailaw.

[Thailaw]

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................... The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

BINGO!!! We have a winner!

The ABS was, in fact, very important to me -- I would rather avoid an accident with ABS than have minimal added protection in the event I am involved in one. Triton is the best truck value on the Thai market today.

Enjoy it! I am sure that you will.....

[IMHO]

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This is Thailand. Can't compare with Australia. Btw. i don't know the prices in Australia, but in Europe the same Pick Up cost 40% more than here. In my opinion air bags aren't really necessary. It's only cost more to repair, if have a accident.

I drive cars for over 30 years and i never had a airbag in my personal cars at all. But i still alive.

Yes the same model Triton is more expensive in Australia but it has twin airbags at the front plus side curtain airbags plus airbags for rear seat passengers. Thai customers get stiffed, no question about it. Purely because the Thais don't put safety very high on their list of requirements when car buying. I'm surprised they bother to have seatbelts. People drove cars without seatbelts for 30 years as well, most survived, a lot didn't.

A visit to their website might have been able to save you some disappointment:

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.th/en/Triton-Double-Cab/PLUS/Standard-Equipment

As for "Thai's getting stiffed" I don't see how you come to that conclusion when you immediately follow up by saying "Thai's don't put safety very high.." - I would think they were getting stiffed if they didn't want all those airbags, but were forced to buy them, no?

In any case, you can expect the next generation to include more airbags by default, now that ASEAN NCAP is running and being promoted more.

Safety has to be forced on some people, I'm sure there are plenty who would opt out of having seatbelts if they could save a few satang. I may be wrong, but I don't think Ford, Mazda, Toyota, Nissan or Isuzu only come with drivers side airbag.

Actually, it's even worse - all brands have models with zero airbags. You have to step up to top models to get 1, 2 or more of them.

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I'd like to know where I can get this bed cover in Pattaya.

Edit: Seems they are a Carryboy product.

[stevenl]

I also said "I could be wrong" about those models only having a drivers side airbag. The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

but can your passenger?

Read the post #8 from Thailaw.

We all make our choices, and I agree your Triton is excellent value for money. If buying new I could also come to the same conclusion and buy a Trition.

But I think this quote from Thailaw 'airbags add very little safety/protection if the passenger is wearing a seat belt.' is not correct. The combination of seatbelt and airbag adds safety/protection, both are really needed.

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I also said "I could be wrong" about those models only having a drivers side airbag. The Triton has enough good features, safety and otherwise that I doubt any of the newer models can match price wise. ABS, cruise control, sat/nav, turbo, leather seats etc, all for 780,000 baht. I've decide I can live with one airbag.

but can your passenger?

Read the post #8 from Thailaw.

We all make our choices, and I agree your Triton is excellent value for money. If buying new I could also come to the same conclusion and buy a Trition.

But I think this quote from Thailaw 'airbags add very little safety/protection if the passenger is wearing a seat belt.' is not correct. The combination of seatbelt and airbag adds safety/protection, both are really needed.

I was involved in a serious accident in Australia where a vehicle crossed to the wrong side of the road and collided with me head on at a combined speed of 120 klms an hour. Both air bags deployed and I was restrained severely (black and blue for days) by my seatbelt, but I never came into contact with the airbag. The seatbelt pre-tensioners lock and prevent you moving forward. I'm sure there re situations where the airbags are essential, like if you forget to wear a seatbelt. The Triton in Australia has airbags for front and rear seat passengers as well as side curtain airbags, so do you feel safe with just front airbags?

[Thailaw]

Read the post #8 from Thailaw.

We all make our choices, and I agree your Triton is excellent value for money. If buying new I could also come to the same conclusion and buy a Trition.

But I think this quote from Thailaw 'airbags add very little safety/protection if the passenger is wearing a seat belt.' is not correct. The combination of seatbelt and airbag adds safety/protection, both are really needed.

I did not say that front airbags, along with seatbelts, add no protection. I said that they add "little [additional] safety/protection". Side airbags can add significant additonal safety/protection accompanied by seatbelts. From a study reported by the American Journal of Epidemiology:

"To assess the efficacy of occupant protection systems, the authors measured the mortality reduction associated with air bag deployment and seat belt use for drivers involved in head-on passenger car collisions in the United States. They used a matched case-control design of all head-on collisions involving two passenger cars reported to the Fatality Analysis Reporting System in 1992–1997, and driver mortality differences between the paired crash vehicles for air bag deployment and seat belt use were measured with matched-pair odds ratios. Conditional logistic regression was used to adjust for multiple effects. There were 9,859 head-on collisions involving 19,718 passenger cars and drivers. Air bag deployment reduced mortality 63% ..., while lap-shoulder belt use reduced mortality 72% ..... In a conditional logistic model that adjusted for vehicle (rollover, weight, age) and driver (age, sex) factors, air bags ... and any combination of seat belts ... were both associated with reduced mortality. Combined air bag and seat belt use reduced mortality by more than 80%. Thus, this study confirms the independent effect of air bags and seat belts in reducing mortality."

So, in the most extreme case of head-on collisions, mortality reduction was increased from 72% with seatbelts alone to 80% with combined seatbelts and airbags. Note that the mortality reduction of airbags alone was only 63%, less than with seatbelts. So, if having airbags in the car/truck encourages passengers not to wear seatbelts, the airbags are in fact increasing the risk of injury. Are airbags a waste, even with seatbelts being worn? Obviously, not. But, as the study shows, the greatest reduction in mortality in severe head-on collisions is gotten by wearing a seatbelt. The severity of the injury is also an issue, but that is not discussed. In a significantly taller step-up truck, I think that the passengers are much safer than they would be in a car in any event. In the Triton, with seatbelts on and buckled, I feel that we are pretty well covered on the safety front.

[golden farang]

There is no seatbelt pretensioner for front passenger in the one airbag model. I would pay the extra and go for the 4x4 model its more safer to drive too unless you use it only to slow city driving.

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There is no seatbelt pretensioner for front passenger in the one airbag model. I would pay the extra and go for the 4x4 model its more safer to drive too unless you use it only to slow city driving.

An extra 200,000 baht for something I will never use? Been here for 5 years and never been in a situation yet where I needed 4 wheel drive.

[stevenl]

One look online and I can find many studies from reputable organisations saying front airbags are very important for safety.

And you reach your conclusions from 'your' study, amongst others based on this reasoning 'So, if having airbags in the car/truck encourages passengers not to wear seatbelts...'. Does it mention in your study a causal effect between having airbags and not wearing seatbelts?

I think more than 8% is not 'little effect' BTW, and with the severity of the injury not taken into account and the conclusions reached on head on collisions only I think the study you mention is missing some very important information, and is in itself not enough to reach any of the conclusions you seem to draw from it.