premium diesel

[fredob43]

Last night I pulled into my local garage for a top up of fuel and noticed that they had changed their pumps the normal blue diesel logo is selling at the usual 30bt lt and the silver logo is marked up as premium at 33bt lt just wondering if this is the same as the old shell V power at about the same price if not what is it??? that warrants the extra 3bt lt. Over to you more knowledgeable peeps. N/B I did put the premium in.

[Upnotover]

PTT? Their equivalent to Shell's V-Power.

[stevenl]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

[bkkjames]

I have been running Caltex with the Techron stuff for a couple of months - no noticable change in power / economy to my untrained eye. Last week I dumped in some V Power at 33 baht a litre and to my untrained eye seems a bit more jump...placebo effect?

[Cylon]

I dont think any of the diesel on sale here is very high quality.

[VocalNeal]

I have been running Caltex with the Techron stuff for a couple of months - no noticable change in power / economy to my untrained eye. Last week I dumped in some V Power at 33 baht a litre and to my untrained eye seems a bit more jump...placebo effect?

The real way to tell is to go back because you notice less easier than more. That only works if you drive /commute the same route every day. As for placebo? Cleaning all the windows has a similar effect.

If it is actually better, then when we see big rigs filling up with 33 baht fuel instead of 30b stuff then we will know.

On the other hand if a tankful of the 33 baht stuff is cheaper than a tankful of regular + a bottle of fuel system cleaner, then using 33baht stuff every now and again may be worth it. But you'll have to run the tank down low to avoid the dilution effect.

Edited July 10, 2014 by VocalNeal

[fredob43]

PTT? Their equivalent to Shell's V-Power.

That's one of the one's PTT that I went into and seems the right stuff or is it??? only time will tell. Cant compare it with V power as all of the local Shell garages near me have closed down the ground they stand on is more worthy of converting than just selling fuel.

Thanks for the info now at least I'm clued up well sort of if only I had a plane to try it out on.

Edited July 10, 2014 by fredob43

[transam]

Click Translate page.........

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[wilcopops]

If you go into a gas station in many places in Europe now, you are confronted with a choice of 2 pumps only - diesel or gasoline (petrol) - there aren't any "options" - the reason for this is that most "options" are irrelevant to road cars.....or the claims made aren't scientifically supportable.

Thailand has a price cap on diesel, sio the only way round it for the manufacturers is to claim that something is "special" and they can charge more. The trade description laws in Thailand are so primitive and unenforceable the vendors of anything can still make just about any claim they want to about a product with impunity.

[wilcopops]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

[wilcopops]

"PTT Blue Innovation

Our innovative fuels are all top-notch due to premium technology exclusively developed for PTT. Blended with special additive, both gasoline and diesel products are hence the premium products and yet priced the same. They result in a more complete combustion, increase acceleration rate and offer maximum performance to meet every lifestyle of motorists. We thoroughly test every product at our certified laboratory and perform field tests by real drivers.

“Complete combustion is a vital key for fuel as it maximizes performance of energy and acceleration rate. It enhances engine efficiency as well as reduces fuel consumption rate. Furthermore, it prolongs engine life, making it always run like a brand new.”

What a load of tosh! Say actually don't claim nothing at all as they aren't comparing it with any other product..........

Like the tyre company that claims 100% extra traction and 120% extra life span....except the starting point was a banana.............

[bkkjames]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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Edited July 10, 2014 by bkkjames

[nedkellylives]

I have a red pickup which goes faster anyway as everyone knows

[wilcopops]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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I bet it doesn't - and it looks as if you can't make head nor tail of their gobbledegook either.

[bkkjames]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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I bet it doesn't - and it looks as if you can't make head nor tail of their gobbledegook either.

here you go - need to click on each tab for more details... http://www.shell.co.th/en/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/shell-vpower-diesel.html

[stevenl]

Your answer: some will say yes, some will say no.

I personally think it is worth it on occasion, but not always, just to clear all the rubbish out.

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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I bet it doesn't - and it looks as if you can't make head nor tail of their gobbledegook either.

AS I said, some will support this, others won't.

[Ace of Pop]

Say No To Oilers.Smelly Things.

[Gonsalviz]

PTT makes a diesel conditioner that I put in every few tanks full. I once had a smoke issue and high fuel consumption. After 5 cans of that in 5 tanks full everything is back to normal.

[wilcopops]

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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I bet it doesn't - and it looks as if you can't make head nor tail of their gobbledegook either.

AS I said, some will support this, others won't.

A good test for this sort of nonsense is to find out how they advertise in other countries where the law on misrepresentation and exaggerated claims are stronger and better enforced.

[JesseFrank]

I have been running Caltex with the Techron stuff for a couple of months - no noticable change in power / economy to my untrained eye. Last week I dumped in some V Power at 33 baht a litre and to my untrained eye seems a bit more jump...placebo effect?

I go out of my way to fill up with Caltex as I get more mileage as with PTT and the price is the same. Shell is also better as PTT, actually everything is better, but they many times refuse to fill with regular diesel so i avoid them.

[JesseFrank]

PTT makes a diesel conditioner that I put in every few tanks full. I once had a smoke issue and high fuel consumption. After 5 cans of that in 5 tanks full everything is back to normal.

Probably the smoke accrued in the first place because you were using PTT diesel.

[wilcopops]

I'm reliably informed that ALL standard diesel sold in Thailand is 5% bio. This leaves residues in the combustion chambers.

I also understand that there is widespread (international) concern about the "cleanliness" of diesels sold at the pump. UK has reported a spike in fuel filter problems - and one can see no reason whatsoever for diesel in Thailand to be above average in this respect.

it is however possible that the quality control on a higher priced diesel could be more stringent, and as it couldn't be sold at a higher price unless it included something to make it different, that might explain the hype.

I have also been unable to find any independent (or otherwise0 paper that bunks or debunks these "V" fuels.

the claims made by Shell and other companies are so nebulous as to be risible.......

[JesseFrank]

I'm reliably informed that ALL standard diesel sold in Thailand is 5% bio. This leaves residues in the combustion chambers.

I also understand that there is widespread (international) concern about the "cleanliness" of diesels sold at the pump. UK has reported a spike in fuel filter problems - and one can see no reason whatsoever for diesel in Thailand to be above average in this respect.

it is however possible that the quality control on a higher priced diesel could be more stringent, and as it couldn't be sold at a higher price unless it included something to make it different, that might explain the hype.

I have also been unable to find any independent (or otherwise0 paper that bunks or debunks these "V" fuels.

the claims made by Shell and other companies are so nebulous as to be risible.......

Little more than 30 years ago in my home country there was a guy who sold plastic containers, the size of a windscreen cleaner container, which were mounted in the motor compartment and conatined an alcoholic solution. They had a narrow tube on top of the container that was connected to the vacuum tube of the carburetor. Claim was that it would suck the alcohol gases in the container and mix with the carburetor gases and save fuel. If I remember correctly those " things" were sold at an equivalent of 2000 Baht ( 30 years ago) and people were lining up to buy one.

Next time I saw the guy was he was handcuffed and escorted by policemen.

[JetsetBkk]

I'm reliably informed that ALL standard diesel sold in Thailand is 5% bio. This leaves residues in the combustion chambers.

I also understand that there is widespread (international) concern about the "cleanliness" of diesels sold at the pump. UK has reported a spike in fuel filter problems - and one can see no reason whatsoever for diesel in Thailand to be above average in this respect.

<snip>

My pickup dashboard showed a "Fuel Filter" warning light several months ago. Got to a garage and they changed the fuel filter - cost about 900 baht, IIRC.

The pickup was about 9 years old then.

I only ever use the cheap diesel.

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Edited July 10, 2014 by JetsetBkk

[bkkjames]

I'm reliably informed that ALL standard diesel sold in Thailand is 5% bio. This leaves residues in the combustion chambers.

I also understand that there is widespread (international) concern about the "cleanliness" of diesels sold at the pump. UK has reported a spike in fuel filter problems - and one can see no reason whatsoever for diesel in Thailand to be above average in this respect.

it is however possible that the quality control on a higher priced diesel could be more stringent, and as it couldn't be sold at a higher price unless it included something to make it different, that might explain the hype.

I have also been unable to find any independent (or otherwise0 paper that bunks or debunks these "V" fuels.

the claims made by Shell and other companies are so nebulous as to be risible.......

again, took me less than a couple of mins to find this via google http://www.shell.co.uk/gbr/products-services/on-the-road/shell-fuels/shell-vpower-experience/shell-vpower-nitro-plus-diesel.html

Now considering how much such a large company could lose in terms of trust, $ etc for selling everyone a bill of goods as you have suggested, don't you think they thought this through a bit before bringing it to market and charging a premium for it?

I personally don't know if it works better or not in my truck, and is worth the extra 10 percent. I guess some people will pay it blindly thinking that it's the best fuel available while others will say buy the cheapest as they are all the same...

I too would like some independent tests showing which fuel gives the best fuel economy....

[ClutchClark]

Rubbish? perhaps you'd like to say precisely what "rubbish" you think a more expensive diesel will "clear out"...and how?

So if you head to shells website or google vpower diesel it explains it....

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I bet it doesn't - and it looks as if you can't make head nor tail of their gobbledegook either.

here you go - need to click on each tab for more details... http://www.shell.co.th/en/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/shell-vpower-diesel.html

Isn't this new Shell V-Power the product of the new GTL facilities? The process which now utilizes the methane that used to be flared off? Shell has such a facility in Malaysia so it makes sense to market it in Thailand.

Edited July 10, 2014 by ClutchClark

[bkkjames]

Seems like it is

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[ClutchClark]

Seems like it is

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If so, then it has the advantage of higher energy content over conventional 100% ULSD fuels which lose some of their energy content during the heavy refining process.

The GTL fuels are naturally sulfur free so they need to be mixed with some sulfur based diesel.

Although I think GTL aviation jet fuel can be 100% sulfur free?

[wilcopops]

I'm reliably informed that ALL standard diesel sold in Thailand is 5% bio. This leaves residues in the combustion chambers.

I also understand that there is widespread (international) concern about the "cleanliness" of diesels sold at the pump. UK has reported a spike in fuel filter problems - and one can see no reason whatsoever for diesel in Thailand to be above average in this respect.

it is however possible that the quality control on a higher priced diesel could be more stringent, and as it couldn't be sold at a higher price unless it included something to make it different, that might explain the hype.

I have also been unable to find any independent (or otherwise0 paper that bunks or debunks these "V" fuels.

the claims made by Shell and other companies are so nebulous as to be risible.......

again, took me less than a couple of mins to find this via google http://www.shell.co.uk/gbr/products-services/on-the-road/shell-fuels/shell-vpower-experience/shell-vpower-nitro-plus-diesel.html

Now considering how much such a large company could lose in terms of trust, $ etc for selling everyone a bill of goods as you have suggested, don't you think they thought this through a bit before bringing it to market and charging a premium for it?

I personally don't know if it works better or not in my truck, and is worth the extra 10 percent. I guess some people will pay it blindly thinking that it's the best fuel available while others will say buy the cheapest as they are all the same...

I too would like some independent tests showing which fuel gives the best fuel economy....

Quite frankly to rely solely on the splurb from the manufacturer to research a product is naive beyond belief.

As someone who has worked in Rayong on MapTha Put and Asia industry and in several other industrial estates around Thailand (especially petrochemicals), i'm PROFOUNDLY aware of the depths of deceit, sculduggery and deception that "large" or multinational companies will descend to to return a profit..

[wilcopops]

to thiose naive enough to think that company info is a good source let me reiterate my post on that.

I have also been unable to find any independent (or otherwise) paper that bunks or debunks these "V" fuels.

the claims made by Shell and other companies are so nebulous as to be risible.......

read the company slurbs - they claim vague benefits such as "cleaning" but don't point out that these also exist in their "ordinary" fuels. There is NO COMPARISON or direct claims only implication and the gullible are invited to draw inferences...

Edited July 11, 2014 by wilcopops