Support or not, any difference?

[banglassie]

When Married you can apply for a Multi Entry Non Imm O Visa. The Consulate in Savannakhet Laos will issue without any finances needed.

This will give you unlimited entries of 90 days max for a period of one year.

Or you can get a 12 month extension from Immigration in Thailand.

400,000 Baht in a Thai bank for 2 months or 40,000 Baht monthly income.

Both methods are reasonably simple and do not need an agent to do it.

Ok, thanks for a very clear answer!

So in other words the Non-imm O visa is not the hard thing to get in itself, but when it comes to the extention, that's when funds are needed to be shown upfront?

In that case there should be no problem at all, since most banks will open an account for someone with a non-imm Visa. And 90 days is 30 days more than needed to have money on the bank to make an extention. If that's the case then that would be great!

[arthurwait]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

In short if you want to stay here without a job or pension, a marriage and following visa is useless.

Get a job here first and then get married if you really want to.

Marriage is just the same as a false education or tourist visa unless you have income as they will suspect you of working illegally.

Get a job and a non-B visa then you don't need a marriage visa.

[banglassie]

If you are not on non-immigrant status already, after getting married go to immigration with the marriage papers and let them convert you to non-immigrant. At the same time, apply for a 60day extension based on visiting family.

Walk to a few banks and find one that will open an account for you. Deposit 400k baht. Wait 2 months.

Read from the police order http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf what you need for an extension based on being married to a Thai. Walk to immigration to apply for the 1y extension. Wait for a period they'll stamp on your passport. Return to immigration to get the 1 y stamp.

Go to immigration every 90 days to do a 90 day report. After 1y, rinse and repeat.

Not that complicated.

Thanks! Makes much sense. O somehow got the information wrong I think, since I always believed you need to have the 400k deposit in the first place to get married. But if I can get a Non-Imm "o" without showing funds for 60 or 90 days, then that would be well sufficient enough.

Right now my school has holiday, so I need to wait for about a month until I get state-funds again from abroad. I'm looking for jobs within sales and similar to make sure I can get money enough. The more I can make the better, so right now Scandinavian companies based in Bkk are to prefer, but I have started looking in Hua hin as well, (I hate yet to go the Pattaya route, have heard about so many scam companies there, and I want one that guarantees a 50k/month salary before you reach budget and start to earn commision, plus one that will give me WP from day one. They are hard to find, but they are around)

[Lite Beer]

Yep.
The Non imm O Visa is pretty straight forward to obtain.

You do not have to prove any income to be able to get married.

A rough guide when applying for the Marriage Extension:

(1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM)

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Letter from your Thai Bank showing balance and up to date bank book.
OR.
If income from outside Thailand: Letter from your Embassy showing income. Now may also need proof of income as back up.
If Income from Thailand: Statements showing Income Tax receipts.
Marriage Certificate. (Kor Ror 3)
Marriage Registry entry. (Kor Ror 2)
Wife's Tabbien Baan and ID Card.
Your Passport.
Copies of everything.
Photos of you and your Wife in and around the house.
A map showing the way to your house.
Passport size photos and 1,900 Baht fee.
Take your Wife to be interviewed.
One or two witnesses may be required.
You will be given a 30 day under consideration stamp.
Go back in a month and get the remainder.

[banglassie]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

In short if you want to stay here without a job or pension, a marriage and following visa is useless.

Get a job here first and then get married if you really want to.

Marriage is just the same as a false education or tourist visa unless you have income as they will suspect you of working illegally.

Get a job and a non-B visa then you don't need a marriage visa.

Yea, if it only were that easy to get a job.

I'm still studying to fullfil my bachelor. Without it many jobs are hard to get.

Working as a teacher without one you are most likely to end up with a salary between 20 to 30k/month. Which wouldn't be enough for a visa would it? (very confusing, since many do work on these salaries and have WP and Non Imm

Well, as for "false" education I kind of know what you mean. There are many using this visa as a mean to just stay. And sure, I would do so as well, but I would in the same time study and make sure I get value for the cash I payed to the school. I'm not sure if it can be called false if someone just wishes to stay here with the family and friends he loves but at the same time doing all that's expected from him? (but yea, I know some schools in Patty are hadning out comfirmations for ED visas like candy and never expect their "students" to appear...)

Get a job would be nice. Really nice indeed, and that's what I'm spending most of my days trying to find.

But being a non-native English speaker, no finished bachelor and 29 years old, that's not the easiest thing. I'm a good worker and have always done a good job nomatter how much stress has been involved. But the bachelor thing is what gets in my way, since teacher is one of the few jobs that are avaliable all the time...

[arthurwait]

Dear Sweden guy, you shouldn't worry a lot,

first you need to get married, I suggest you to do here, since is not so much complicated then in Europe.

Second, if your woman is working and she can prove that,you can easily prove that you have sufficient income.

The income has to be his income. Not his Wife's.

thats incorrect....

the sum of the mutual income has to be higher as 40k thb / month

Not in my experience. The wife makes many times that and it wasn't allowed.

[arthurwait]

All I can say is that people that pay an agent to sort out a marriage extension

are either very rich or very lazy...it is very easy to do by yourself...jeez 15000 Baht

when all it costs is 1900 baht at immigration.

Have a Nice Day.

I doubt there will be any point in paying agents anymore.

[banglassie]

Yep.

The Non imm O Visa is pretty straight forward to obtain.

You do not have to prove any income to be able to get married.

A rough guide when applying for the Marriage Extension:

(1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (NON-IM)

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Letter from your Thai Bank showing balance and up to date bank book.

OR.

If income from outside Thailand: Letter from your Embassy showing income. Now may also need proof of income as back up.

If Income from Thailand: Statements showing Income Tax receipts.

Marriage Certificate. (Kor Ror 3)

Marriage Registry entry. (Kor Ror 2)

Wife's Tabbien Baan and ID Card.

Your Passport.

Copies of everything.

Photos of you and your Wife in and around the house.

A map showing the way to your house.

Passport size photos and 1,900 Baht fee.

Take your Wife to be interviewed.

One or two witnesses may be required.

You will be given a 30 day under consideration stamp.

Go back in a month and get the remainder.

Hmm, thanks!

But this is the kind of double information that makes me confused. The poster before you just said I can't get married unless showing 40+k /month. While you are saying that it's not necessary and that it's only for the extention those funds are needed to be shown(?)

The extention will be a second problem, I hopefully have a job or at least state-funds by then, or I could make sure to have 400.000 in an account.

But how to obtain a Non-imm O in the first place?

Some say you need to have funds, others say you don't. The same goes when googling the subject.

I truly hope you are correct (cause your info seems not only more throughout, but also way more positive in my case! )

[Lite Beer]

I am correct.

Don't worry.

You don't need any income to get married. (Your future Wife might have other views)

A Non Imm O Visa can be quite easily obtained in the region.

You can even get a Multi Entry Non Imm Visa from Savannakhet Laos once you are married.

No finances need.

[banglassie]

Why you all fighting? 40k is ~ 1k euro its not hard to make that money/month or in case someone not working, just get non "O" visa and that's it, no money required.

Yea, sure. 40k is pancake if staying in where you will get about 100,000 for working at Burger King or similar. But here it's not really that simply unless you are

1) old enough to get a pension

2) Got a bachelor or master

3) Are a native english speaker

Your post brings up this interesting question again though that I'm very courious about. What's all this I hear about "or in case someone not working, just get non "O" visa and that's it, no money required."

What kind of Non-imm "O" is that? based on what?

I really would like to know, cause I want to stay legally and do everthing correct. But with constantly changing rules it seems better to know too much than too little.

[ubonjoe]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

[Lite Beer]

Non Imm O Visa based on having a Thai Wife.

Once you are Married.

[larsjohnsson]

I had 400.000 in bank but decided to give money to my wife to invest in shop. Now I'm 4 months before my marriage visa expires.

I try to get loan, we can get it but to process all and when I add all expenses I get to high 50.000 + THB. For that money I go back my home, visit my family, get non "O" visa and still money to spare.

This is far better option than loan. I have to add that to get loan we must waste about 7 days to get it, also, no money from shop.

Please don't attack me about spending all my money on my wife, she is very decent woman and I not regret it.

Hmm, so what you're saying is that if applying for Non-imm "o" from your home country you don't need to show any proof of funds? Very interesting indeed.

You must be married. And show all the proper documents at the Embassy in Stockholm

[banglassie]

I had 400.000 in bank but decided to give money to my wife to invest in shop. Now I'm 4 months before my marriage visa expires.

I try to get loan, we can get it but to process all and when I add all expenses I get to high 50.000 + THB. For that money I go back my home, visit my family, get non "O" visa and still money to spare.

This is far better option than loan. I have to add that to get loan we must waste about 7 days to get it, also, no money from shop.

Please don't attack me about spending all my money on my wife, she is very decent woman and I not regret it.

Hmm, so what you're saying is that if applying for Non-imm "o" from your home country you don't need to show any proof of funds? Very interesting indeed.

You must be married. And show all the proper documents at the Embassy in Stockholm

Why would I need to go to Stockholm?

[larsjohnsson]

Now I've read that a person needs 400.000 in a Thai bank account 2 months prior to applying for a visa

Are you in Thailand now? What visa did you use to enter the country? You probably need to be here on a Non-Imm O visa (or convert to one) and then apply for an extension of stay (not a visa at that point) based on marriage.

I suggested to moderators that they move this to the Visa forum where you'll get more coherent and detailed responses once your current status is understood.

Yes I'm in Thailand now and have been since February when I quit my job in Norway.

Before that I travelled back and forward to Thailand pretty much 3-4 times/year since 2006.

I do only have one tourist visa in my passport, but I got loads of visa exemptions before that. However I also got alot of travelling and many weeks outside Thailand.

I currently live on savings. But will, hopefully, get a renewal of my study allowance+loans, which will make up about 45.000 baht.

At the same time I am looking for jobs and have been to a few interviews and a few coming up.

The visa I am on now is that only touist visa. A double entry turist visa issued in Vientiane. Since my first entry expires the 24th August my plan was initially to go to Sweden and make an exam which needed to be done in Sweden + visiting some family and sorting out some economical aspects for 2 weeks or so, then come back. But now I feel less certain that I would be allowed to come back on m second entry.

Now I hope I will get a job here before that time line since it would sort out any issues. But as for now that's not something I can rely on, and therefore need to have alternatives.

Someone may ask, "Why not go back to Sweden or Norway to work for half a year or so?"

-Because my family lives here, my fiancee can't leave her job and we are pretty much tied to Bangkok. On top of that this is where I want to live and feel at home.

The ED visa seems like the only option I can see right now. Should be no problem since I already speak and write the language (if they do random tests and some have claimed), I also want to become more fluent and more proffecional in my writing skills and reading different fonts. So school does not seem to bad. That is, if I can make sure I get an income from my government first.

The Swedish embassy beside Nana BTS is good. The income letter only cost 550 baht. And they do it in one day.

But I don't belive they will give you any letter based on your study loan/allowance. It's not an income.

[arthurwait]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

They must have been making it up then.

[banglassie]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

Ubon Joe saves the day as always!

I had a gut feeling Lite beer was right on this one, but this just comfirms I trusted the right source. Thanks a lot!

[larsjohnsson]

I had 400.000 in bank but decided to give money to my wife to invest in shop. Now I'm 4 months before my marriage visa expires.

I try to get loan, we can get it but to process all and when I add all expenses I get to high 50.000 + THB. For that money I go back my home, visit my family, get non "O" visa and still money to spare.

This is far better option than loan. I have to add that to get loan we must waste about 7 days to get it, also, no money from shop.

Please don't attack me about spending all my money on my wife, she is very decent woman and I not regret it.

Hmm, so what you're saying is that if applying for Non-imm "o" from your home country you don't need to show any proof of funds? Very interesting indeed.

You must be married. And show all the proper documents at the Embassy in Stockholm

Why would I need to go to Stockholm?

The post I replied to wrote in your home country. You also posted that you planned on going home to Sweden in August

[ubonjoe]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

They must have been making it up then.

Who is they.

The affirmation of permit to marry from some embassies has a space on it for income but nobody asks for proof of it and their is certainly no requirement for it to show 40k baht.

[Upnotover]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

They must have been making it up then.

Just wondering who "they" are/were?

[banglassie]

Now I've read that a person needs 400.000 in a Thai bank account 2 months prior to applying for a visa

Are you in Thailand now? What visa did you use to enter the country? You probably need to be here on a Non-Imm O visa (or convert to one) and then apply for an extension of stay (not a visa at that point) based on marriage.

I suggested to moderators that they move this to the Visa forum where you'll get more coherent and detailed responses once your current status is understood.

Yes I'm in Thailand now and have been since February when I quit my job in Norway.

Before that I travelled back and forward to Thailand pretty much 3-4 times/year since 2006.

I do only have one tourist visa in my passport, but I got loads of visa exemptions before that. However I also got alot of travelling and many weeks outside Thailand.

I currently live on savings. But will, hopefully, get a renewal of my study allowance+loans, which will make up about 45.000 baht.

At the same time I am looking for jobs and have been to a few interviews and a few coming up.

The visa I am on now is that only touist visa. A double entry turist visa issued in Vientiane. Since my first entry expires the 24th August my plan was initially to go to Sweden and make an exam which needed to be done in Sweden + visiting some family and sorting out some economical aspects for 2 weeks or so, then come back. But now I feel less certain that I would be allowed to come back on m second entry.

Now I hope I will get a job here before that time line since it would sort out any issues. But as for now that's not something I can rely on, and therefore need to have alternatives.

Someone may ask, "Why not go back to Sweden or Norway to work for half a year or so?"

-Because my family lives here, my fiancee can't leave her job and we are pretty much tied to Bangkok. On top of that this is where I want to live and feel at home.

The ED visa seems like the only option I can see right now. Should be no problem since I already speak and write the language (if they do random tests and some have claimed), I also want to become more fluent and more proffecional in my writing skills and reading different fonts. So school does not seem to bad. That is, if I can make sure I get an income from my government first.

The Swedish embassy beside Nana BTS is good. The income letter only cost 550 baht. And they do it in one day.

But I don't belive they will give you any letter based on your study loan/allowance. It's not an income.

Thanks, I appreciate your answer. However, step one is getting married.

Step to is getting a non-imm O visa

After that I can solve the other problems.

So all in all, the extention is not really the point of this thread. Because if I have a non-imm O I can open a bank account, especially if I have my fiancee as guarantor with papers from CPB stating her salary.

So now that I seem fairly sure the Non-Imm O won't be a problem as soon as getting married is all done, I just need to figure out the details of marriage. Which again comes many different forms, where some claim you need to show money that you will support your wife, which I will not. Some claim you don't need to show any cash at all exept the fee.

Some claim you need a criminal record from your home country, some say you don't

Some say you need to get papers at the Thai embassy in your origin country, which doesn't make much sense to me, cause a Thai embassy should be a Thai embassy nomatter where it is.

But yea, got the blue book today from the province.

Gonna try to find a reliable

1, 2, 3-guide to how we should proceed in registering a marriage.

[arthurwait]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

They must have been making it up then.

Just wondering who "they" are/were?

The officials at the town hall office or whatever it's called where we got married. Had to provide documents. Only ever been on business visas so it wasn't for the purpose of a marriage visa.

This was Chonburi.

[banglassie]

You need to prove your income of 40k + to be able to get married.

Utter nonsense.

You don't have to show 40k income baht to get married.

Edit: I have removed a post of yours while I was mating this one for it being false info.

They must have been making it up then.

Who is they.

The affirmation of permit to marry from some embassies has a space on it for income but nobody asks for proof of it and their is certainly no requirement for it to show 40k baht.

A final question to you.

After sorting out the marriage, do I need to go abroat to Savannakhet etc to make the Non-imm O, or can I transform my Tourist visa within the country at Chaengwattana etc?

[larsjohnsson]

The Swedish embassy also help you with papers to open a bank account if you have problem. Read on their website. They have a lot of usefull info for you

[ubonjoe]

A final question to you.

After sorting out the marriage, do I need to go abroat to Savannakhet etc to make the Non-imm O, or can I transform my Tourist visa within the country at Chaengwattana etc?

If you have the 400k baht in the or proof of 40k baht income you can do a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa entry at CW only.

The basics to get married.

1. Affirmation of permit to marry from your embassy. You might need to show proof of divorce if you have been married before. You should be able to find info on your embassies website to find what is needed to get it.

2. Take the affirmation of permit to marry to a translation servie and have it translated to Thai. Then the translation needs to be certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (translation service can get this done for you for a fee). If you have a divorce certificate get it translated in case needed for the next step.

3. Go to a Amphoe (Khet in Bangkok) with your fiance and two witnesses and register your marriage. You will need the translated and certified affirmation and your fiances house book and ID.

[Lite Beer]

You can open a bank account with a Tourist Visa.

You might have to try a few though.

[banglassie]

A final question to you.

After sorting out the marriage, do I need to go abroat to Savannakhet etc to make the Non-imm O, or can I transform my Tourist visa within the country at Chaengwattana etc?

If you have the 400k baht in the or proof of 40k baht income you can do a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa entry at CW only.

The basics to get married.

1. Affirmation of permit to marry from your embassy. You might need to show proof of divorce if you have been married before. You should be able to find info on your embassies website to find what is needed to get it.

2. Take the affirmation of permit to marry to a translation servie and have it translated to Thai. Then the translation needs to be certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (translation service can get this done for you for a fee). If you have a divorce certificate get it translated in case needed for the next step.

3. Go to a Amphoe (Khet in Bangkok) with your fiance and two witnesses and register your marriage. You will need the translated and certified affirmation and your fiances house book and ID.

Cheers for excellent information!

But regarding CW, do I only need to show funds to get a non Imm O there for 90 days, or would the same requirements be needed in Laos?

Was thinking of this in regard to Lite beers comment: "

You don't need any income to get married. (Your future Wife might have other views)

A Non Imm O Visa can be quite easily obtained in the region.

You can even get a Multi Entry Non Imm Visa from Savannakhet Laos once you are married.

No finances need."

So if I have understand everything correct now. The marriage in itself is very straight forward.

After that I can either go to CW, if I have proof of funds, and get a Non Imm O.

Or I could leave to Savannakhet and get a 90 days Non Imm O based on marriage without funds, however, would I like to make an extension after those 3 months I would need to have either 400k in a thai account 60 days prior to my application, or I would need an income of 40k baht, either a salary within Thailand, or an income from abroad (not from working since that would be illegal work without a WP).

Am I correct so far?

[banglassie]

You can open a bank account with a Tourist Visa.

You might have to try a few though.

Yea, I've read a lot about this, and recently watched a video of Scott Maloon on the topic at youtube.

It seems to be very much up to each bank, and how used they are to dealing with foreigners. When we went to Kasikorn they said I could not get a savings account unless I had a WP. We then asked them some questions (I don't remember exactly which), and it became very clear that the girl in the counter didn't really know anything.

One of her seniors came by and looked at the situation and said I could open a savings account if I used my fiancee as guarantor. Oh, and this was while I was still on a visa exempt. So it sure seems possible to open accounts nomatter what visa you got, but it also seems a tad more difficult depending on your status.

As married and with a non Imm visa I'm sure there would be no problems. And if so I could easily get money from abroad to solve the later story of extensions.

[ubonjoe]

So if I have understand everything correct now. The marriage in itself is very straight forward.

After that I can either go to CW, if I have proof of funds, and get a Non Imm O.

Or I could leave to Savannakhet and get a 90 days Non Imm O based on marriage without funds, however, would I like to make an extension after those 3 months I would need to have either 400k in a thai account 60 days prior to my application, or I would need an income of 40k baht, either a salary within Thailand, or an income from abroad (not from working since that would be illegal work without a WP).

Am I correct so far?

You need financial proof to do the conversion to a non immigrant visa and the extension of stay of 400k baht in a Thai bank for 60 days or an income of 40k baht The income can be from abroad proven by a letter from your embassy or from working here proven by tax payments and a work permit to prove you are working legally.

For a single entry non-o visa you can also get it it in Vientiane or Savannakhet. For a multiple entry non-o you would have to go to Savannakhet. No financial proof is required for either one. It you get the single entry you would need to do the extension of stay before the 90 day you get ends. With a multiple entry visa you could do the extension during the last 30 days of any of the 90 day entries the visa allows.

[sometimewoodworker]

A final question to you.

After sorting out the marriage, do I need to go abroat to Savannakhet etc to make the Non-imm O, or can I transform my Tourist visa within the country at Chaengwattana etc?

If you have the 400k baht in the or proof of 40k baht income you can do a change of visa status to get a 90 day non immigrant visa entry at CW only.

The basics to get married.

1. Affirmation of permit to marry from your embassy. You might need to show proof of divorce if you have been married before. You should be able to find info on your embassies website to find what is needed to get it.

2. Take the affirmation of permit to marry to a translation servie and have it translated to Thai. Then the translation needs to be certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (translation service can get this done for you for a fee). If you have a divorce certificate get it translated in case needed for the next step.

3. Go to a Amphoe (Khet in Bangkok) with your fiance and two witnesses and register your marriage. You will need the translated and certified affirmation and your fiances house book and ID.

Just one further point.

As you have to go to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs anyway, the Lak-Si Amphoe / Khet is within walking distance on the other side of the main road. They are very familiar with Thai - Forign marriages and can supply a Thai English translator (needed for the marrage itself) and the two witnesses from their staff. After trying in a different amphoe, without success, I got married there then went back to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to have translations of the Thai documents certified.

There is no requirement to get Thai -> English certified translations, but for me they have proved usefull.