Tackle insurgency, junta urged

[Lite Beer]

Tackle insurgency, junta urged
The Sunday Nation 

 

Muslim villagers shop for clothes at a market in the southern province of Narathiwat yesterday, ahead of the Eid ul-Fitr festival. The two-day festival, which begins after the sighting of the crescent moon, marks the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ram

BANGKOK: -- Deep South business leaders want NCPO to come up with immediate new measures to deal with festering problem

Business leaders in the southern border region yesterday urged the ruling junta to come up with clear measures to deal with insurgent violence in the restive region.

The call came just a day after Yala's Betong district, regarded as one of the most peaceful towns in the far South, was rocked by a deadly car bomb on Friday.

The latest attack left two people dead and 42 wounded.

Yala Chamber of Commerce chairman Noppong Thiraworn said that with its extensive powers after the coup, the National Council for Peace and Order was in a good position to tackle the violence effectively.

"I believe that the NCPO now has enough information about the insurgency violence over the past decade to come up with concrete measures to solve the problem," Noppong said.

"It's time that the NCPO makes it clear what has to be done to deal with the problem. Although some people may say we are going in the right direction, things should not be allowed to continue like this, or the problem will go on and on without an end.

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. The measures should give us more hope than before."

Noppong said the perpetrators of Friday's attack deserved condemnation for targeting innocent people, whether the crime was aimed at destroying the local economy or terrifying locals.

Songkhla Chamber of Commerce chairman Somporn Siriporananont made a similar call.

He said it was time for the NCPO to take an important role in confronting the issue "in order to return true happiness to people in the southern border areas".

He was referring to the military junta's motto of "returning happiness to the people", which it coined following the May 22 coup.

Somporn said the new structure of state agencies dealing with problems in the deep South - with changes made post-coup - had provided some hope to locals and should be implemented immediately.

He said seven major economic towns and cities in the deep South were now on alert for possible insurgency attacks ahead of the end of Ramadan early this week.

They are downtown Yala, Betong in Pattani, downtown Narathiwat, Narathiwat's Tak Bai and Sungai Kolok, and Songkhla's Hat Yai.

Betong's former mayor Wuth Mongkolprachak said the latest attack had a psychological impact on locals and the authorities.

He noted that the previous attack in Betong occurred eight years ago.

Betong was much quieter than usual yesterday as many locals remained at home and tourists cancelled trips to the area.

Hundreds of cancellations were made by tourists from Malaysia and Singapore, who were expected to celebrate the Eid ul-Fitr festival at the end of the fasting month.

Local businesses and residents in areas around the bomb site cleaned up debris caused by the explosion.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Tackle-insurgency-junta-urged-30239558.html

 

[thenation]2014-07-27[/thenation]

[jaidam]

IMO there is no excuse or justification for the senseless attacks on schoolchildren and their teachers. In light of that, I propose the punishments be so incredibly severe for the perpetrator of violence and his immediate family that must be aware of his actions/mindset. I am talking about punishments that will not allow his entry to nirvana and access to 72 virgins. Being almost drowned in a vat of pigs blood with all family members forced to watch would be a suitable warm-up. Oh, how I wish I was in charge of meting out punishments to these Islamist sickos.

[Seastallion]

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. "

 

"measures" are not going to solve anything. The only way the Army can do anything effective is to negotiate. You can't fight a hidden enemy, you can't prevent a hidden enemy from random attacks.

The Thai government needs to compromise. It's a bitter pill, but the insurgents need to be given something towards what they want. Long term this will make control easier too because if the radicals got their separation, there would be clear demarcation...the enemy is no longer hidden.

[Seastallion]

IMO there is no excuse or justification for the senseless attacks on schoolchildren and their teachers. In light of that, I propose the punishments be so incredibly severe for the perpetrator of violence and his immediate family that must be aware of his actions/mindset. I am talking about punishments that will not allow his entry to nirvana and access to 72 virgins. Being almost drowned in a vat of pigs blood with all family members forced to watch would be a suitable warm-up. Oh, how I wish I was in charge of meting out punishments to these Islamist sickos.

And how do you catch the perpetrators?

[chooka]

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. "

 

"measures" are not going to solve anything. The only way the Army can do anything effective is to negotiate. You can't fight a hidden enemy, you can't prevent a hidden enemy from random attacks.

The Thai government needs to compromise. It's a bitter pill, but the insurgents need to be given something towards what they want. Long term this will make control easier too because if the radicals got their separation, there would be clear demarcation...the enemy is no longer hidden.

When you say compromise, do you mean give them what they want? 

 

Then next time as they move further north for more land does the government compromise again and again?

[Thailand]

Not quite as easy as moving market stalls and cutting lottery sellers income etc.

This is probably the last thing the junta want to get involved in. When previous governments,of whatever persuasion,have tried to use them to quell the problem they have failed miserably but at least have been able to blame the governments for lack of resources,backing etc.

When they fail again it will be down to them.

Reminiscent of the IRA & the British, finally resolved by negotiation and corruption. It's a politicians/ diplomats job here also, but a good one! Not sure if we have any qualifiers? Edited July 27, 2014 by Thailand

[ezzra]

Terrorism by any other mean or cause is still a terrorism, no matter what the reason are or what the

ultimate goal is, they say that this is not about religion, but strangely enough, all the terrorist in the 

south are Muslim and most if not all, are non Muslims,

 

And before the protesting Muslims of Thailand will vilifies Israel for it's so called atrocities in Gaza , look and

 see what is going on in your own back yard....

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

The Muslims claim the 3 border provinces as as theirs, "The Sultanate of Patani", but long time before they showed up in this area it was the Buddhist Srivijayan Empire (8th to 12th centuries) The Thai government should never listen to this narrow minded group of people, if they can't live in peace with others they should be expelled from Thailand.

[apetley]

 

IMO there is no excuse or justification for the senseless attacks on schoolchildren and their teachers. In light of that, I propose the punishments be so incredibly severe for the perpetrator of violence and his immediate family that must be aware of his actions/mindset. I am talking about punishments that will not allow his entry to nirvana and access to 72 virgins. Being almost drowned in a vat of pigs blood with all family members forced to watch would be a suitable warm-up. Oh, how I wish I was in charge of meting out punishments to these Islamist sickos.

And how do you catch the perpetrators?
 

 
If no-one owns up, burn a village of them each time. Make it understood that the consequences are not worth it. 

So your advocating indiscriminate state terrorism as a way to fight indiscriminate insurgent terrorism.
Can't see it working myself. Edited July 27, 2014 by apetley

[metisdead]

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[worgeordie]

Time to get the Blimp flying again,and those bomb detectors

out of storage

regards Worgeordie

[Bulldozer Dawn]

A giant black hole for NCPO resources. Better avoided.

[simple1]

The Muslims claim the 3 border provinces as as theirs, "The Sultanate of Patani", but long time before they showed up in this area it was the Buddhist Srivijayan Empire (8th to 12th centuries) The Thai government should never listen to this narrow minded group of people, if they can't live in peace with others they should be expelled from Thailand.

 

Thailand legally has ownership of the deep South provinces acquired by way of the 1909 treaty with Britain. As for expulsion I guess you're referring to the 10k to 20 k members of the militant groups as the Thai Muslim population in the deep South is around 1.4 million. Even so, besides being able to identify the miltant membership, which country would accept them 'cause near neighbours such as Malaysia or Indonesia wouldn't.

Edited July 27, 2014 by simple1

[Seastallion]

 

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. "

 

"measures" are not going to solve anything. The only way the Army can do anything effective is to negotiate. You can't fight a hidden enemy, you can't prevent a hidden enemy from random attacks.

The Thai government needs to compromise. It's a bitter pill, but the insurgents need to be given something towards what they want. Long term this will make control easier too because if the radicals got their separation, there would be clear demarcation...the enemy is no longer hidden.

When you say compromise, do you mean give them what they want? 

 

Then next time as they move further north for more land does the government compromise again and again?

 

A qualified yes, and a no.

Let them form a semi-autonomous state, in a clearly demarcated area. Buy out anyone who wants to leave, and sell to anyone who wants in. Maintain control of state assets but allow them some income from natural resources on condition that it is governed properly.

 

No. Their grievance stems from historical facts that are within living memory. They have no argument to move further north. Full stop.

[Seastallion]

 

 

 

IMO there is no excuse or justification for the senseless attacks on schoolchildren and their teachers. In light of that, I propose the punishments be so incredibly severe for the perpetrator of violence and his immediate family that must be aware of his actions/mindset. I am talking about punishments that will not allow his entry to nirvana and access to 72 virgins. Being almost drowned in a vat of pigs blood with all family members forced to watch would be a suitable warm-up. Oh, how I wish I was in charge of meting out punishments to these Islamist sickos.

And how do you catch the perpetrators?
 

 
If no-one owns up, burn a village of them each time. Make it understood that the consequences are not worth it. 

So your advocating indiscriminate state terrorism as a way to fight indiscriminate insurgent terrorism.
Can't see it working myself.

 

It just makes the situation worse....look at Israel who does exactly what Cat ji is saying with that remarkably stupid suggestion.

[TimCM]

Terrorism by any other mean or cause is still a terrorism, no matter what the reason are or what the

ultimate goal is, they say that this is not about religion, but strangely enough, all the terrorist in the 

south are Muslim and most if not all, are non Muslims,

 

And before the protesting Muslims of Thailand will vilifies Israel for it's so called atrocities in Gaza , look and

 see what is going on in your own back yard....

So you are not aware of attacks that have happened towards the Muslim communities over many years as well.

 

The so called Buddhists are just as big in the terrorist stakes as they are in other areas of SE Asia

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

 

The Muslims claim the 3 border provinces as as theirs, "The Sultanate of Patani", but long time before they showed up in this area it was the Buddhist Srivijayan Empire (8th to 12th centuries) The Thai government should never listen to this narrow minded group of people, if they can't live in peace with others they should be expelled from Thailand.

 

Thailand legally has ownership of the deep South provinces acquired by way of the 1909 treaty with Britain. As for expulsion I guess you're referring to the 10k to 20 k members of the militant groups as the Thai Muslim population in the deep South is around 1.4 million. Even so, besides being able to identify the miltant membership, which country would accept them 'cause near neighbours such as Malaysia or Indonesia wouldn't.

 

 

I don't think even the brightest minds in this country knows what to do with these militants or how to identify them. Maybe the same approach as during the Malayan Emergency against the communists would work (The Briggs Plan)?    

[simple1]

 

 

The Muslims claim the 3 border provinces as as theirs, "The Sultanate of Patani", but long time before they showed up in this area it was the Buddhist Srivijayan Empire (8th to 12th centuries) The Thai government should never listen to this narrow minded group of people, if they can't live in peace with others they should be expelled from Thailand.

 

Thailand legally has ownership of the deep South provinces acquired by way of the 1909 treaty with Britain. As for expulsion I guess you're referring to the 10k to 20 k members of the militant groups as the Thai Muslim population in the deep South is around 1.4 million. Even so, besides being able to identify the miltant membership, which country would accept them 'cause near neighbours such as Malaysia or Indonesia wouldn't.

 

 

I don't think even the brightest minds in this country knows what to do with these militants or how to identify them. Maybe the same approach as during the Malayan Emergency against the communists would work (The Briggs Plan)?    

 

 

Yes, it has been mentioned a few times in topics coverning the deep South. Not so sure the Thai military would put in the required effort, but you never know as they have proved to be tough fighters in other conflicts.

 

 

During the Malayan Emergency, In one campaign 60,000 artillery shells, 30,000 rounds of mortar ammunition, and 2,000 aircraft bombs for 35 terrorists killed or captured. Each one represented 1,500 man-days of patrolling or waiting in ambushes. "Nassau" was considered a success for the end of the emergency was one step nearer.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

 

 

I assume modern intelligence techniques would enable more pin pointed application of resources than the above. There are a few TV members who have been involved with jungle warfare, maybe they can shed some light.

 

US 1st Special Forces Group (same group that has assisted the Philippines) has been providing special forces training and COIN guidance for the Thai military; Australia has provided anti terrorism training. Don't know if there are other non Thai military involved.

Edited July 27, 2014 by simple1

[quicky]

Tackle insurgency? LOL until the world actually realizes what type of Nazi's they are dealing with no progress will ever be made. So just stick to bullying a deposed female PM because those people in the south have guns and you might have to actually fight. It's been 10 years already, 10 years of Thailand losing its land, 10 years of children deliberately being killed and 10 years of it being ignored.

 

But hey there are foreigners in BKK whom might have some overstay, and some vendors encroaching on the beaches, that is much more important, good thing their are priories. Kumbaya my lord

[Seastallion]

 

 

 

The Muslims claim the 3 border provinces as as theirs, "The Sultanate of Patani", but long time before they showed up in this area it was the Buddhist Srivijayan Empire (8th to 12th centuries) The Thai government should never listen to this narrow minded group of people, if they can't live in peace with others they should be expelled from Thailand.

 

Thailand legally has ownership of the deep South provinces acquired by way of the 1909 treaty with Britain. As for expulsion I guess you're referring to the 10k to 20 k members of the militant groups as the Thai Muslim population in the deep South is around 1.4 million. Even so, besides being able to identify the miltant membership, which country would accept them 'cause near neighbours such as Malaysia or Indonesia wouldn't.

 

 

I don't think even the brightest minds in this country knows what to do with these militants or how to identify them. Maybe the same approach as during the Malayan Emergency against the communists would work (The Briggs Plan)?    

 

 

Yes, it has been mentioned a few times in topics coverning the deep South. Not so sure the Thai military would put in the required effort, but you never know as they have proved to be tough fighters in other conflicts.

 

 

During the Malayan Emergency, In one campaign 60,000 artillery shells, 30,000 rounds of mortar ammunition, and 2,000 aircraft bombs for 35 terrorists killed or captured. Each one represented 1,500 man-days of patrolling or waiting in ambushes. "Nassau" was considered a success for the end of the emergency was one step nearer.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

 

 

I assume modern intelligence techniques would enable more pin pointed application of resources than the above. There are a few TV members who have been involved with jungle warfare, maybe they can shed some light.

 

US 1st Special Forces Group (same group that has assisted the Philippines) has been providing special forces training and COIN guidance for the Thai military; Australia has provided anti terrorism training. Don't know if there are other non Thai military involved.

 

From Wiki....

The Malayan Emergency.....was a Malayan guerrilla war fought between Commonwealth armed forces and the Malayan National Liberation Army (MNLA), the military arm of the Malayan Communist Party (MCP), from 1948 to 1960.

The Malayan Emergency was the colonial government's term for the conflict. The MNLA termed it the Anti-British National Liberation War.^[1] The rubber plantations and tin mining industries had pushed for the use of the term "emergency" since their losses would not have been covered by Lloyd's insurers if it had been termed a "war".... (end quote)

 

The word terrorist is bandied about far too much these days.

Freedom fighters or Guerrillas is more appropriate in many cases.

[Sayonarax]

Too busy playing government, then doing what your actual job title says.. "General".

 

Hurry up and roll over so we can get back to how it was.

[simple1]

 

 

 

 

Thailand legally has ownership of the deep South provinces acquired by way of the 1909 treaty with Britain. As for expulsion I guess you're referring to the 10k to 20 k members of the militant groups as the Thai Muslim population in the deep South is around 1.4 million. Even so, besides being able to identify the miltant membership, which country would accept them 'cause near neighbours such as Malaysia or Indonesia wouldn't.

 

 

I don't think even the brightest minds in this country knows what to do with these militants or how to identify them. Maybe the same approach as during the Malayan Emergency against the communists would work (The Briggs Plan)?    

 

 

Yes, it has been mentioned a few times in topics coverning the deep South. Not so sure the Thai military would put in the required effort, but you never know as they have proved to be tough fighters in other conflicts.

 

 

During the Malayan Emergency, In one campaign 60,000 artillery shells, 30,000 rounds of mortar ammunition, and 2,000 aircraft bombs for 35 terrorists killed or captured. Each one represented 1,500 man-days of patrolling or waiting in ambushes. "Nassau" was considered a success for the end of the emergency was one step nearer.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

 

 

I assume modern intelligence techniques would enable more pin pointed application of resources than the above. There are a few TV members who have been involved with jungle warfare, maybe they can shed some light.

 

US 1st Special Forces Group (same group that has assisted the Philippines) has been providing special forces training and COIN guidance for the Thai military; Australia has provided anti terrorism training. Don't know if there are other non Thai military involved.

 

From Wiki....

The Malayan Emergency.....was a Malayan guerrilla war fought between Commonwealth armed forces and the Malayan National Liberation Army (MNLA), the military arm of the Malayan Communist Party (MCP), from 1948 to 1960.

The Malayan Emergency was the colonial government's term for the conflict. The MNLA termed it the Anti-British National Liberation War.^[1] The rubber plantations and tin mining industries had pushed for the use of the term "emergency" since their losses would not have been covered by Lloyd's insurers if it had been termed a "war".... (end quote)

 

The word terrorist is bandied about far too much these days.

Freedom fighters or Guerrillas is more appropriate in many cases.

 

 

A post removed to allow a response.

 

Well is just been stated in another OP the Junta have ruled out any consideration for a political solutions such as some form of autonomy or local provincial administration. Looks as though they are only going to apply military force in an endeavour to bring about "peace"

[Travelman868]

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. "

 

"measures" are not going to solve anything. The only way the Army can do anything effective is to negotiate. You can't fight a hidden enemy, you can't prevent a hidden enemy from random attacks.

The Thai government needs to compromise. It's a bitter pill, but the insurgents need to be given something towards what they want. Long term this will make control easier too because if the radicals got their separation, there would be clear demarcation...the enemy is no longer hidden.

 

The problem with Islam is, they will not be satisfied with anything short of total capitulation.  

[Seastallion]

 

"The NCPO should come up with new measures that can effectively tackle the problem of insurgency violence. "

 

"measures" are not going to solve anything. The only way the Army can do anything effective is to negotiate. You can't fight a hidden enemy, you can't prevent a hidden enemy from random attacks.

The Thai government needs to compromise. It's a bitter pill, but the insurgents need to be given something towards what they want. Long term this will make control easier too because if the radicals got their separation, there would be clear demarcation...the enemy is no longer hidden.

 

The problem with Islam is, they will not be satisfied with anything short of total capitulation.  

 

You have been indoctrinated with propaganda. Ever since 9/11, there has been an agenda of propaganda, and many Westerners, particularly Brits and Americans (because they are the two main protagonists in the Middle East conquest initiative) have swallowed it.

[Wan123]

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IMO there is no excuse or justification for the senseless attacks on schoolchildren and their teachers. In light of that, I propose the punishments be so incredibly severe for the perpetrator of violence and his immediate family that must be aware of his actions/mindset. I am talking about punishments that will not allow his entry to nirvana and access to 72 virgins. Being almost drowned in a vat of pigs blood with all family members forced to watch would be a suitable warm-up. Oh, how I wish I was in charge of meting out punishments to these Islamist sickos.

 There sure isn't. It is a combination of terrorism and total disregard for civilization. I think that the Thai government should use every means available, village to village, to provide security and aid to this area; they should create a vision, a mission, that the people endorse and own; they should help the people live their vision and mission. They must separate themselves from the world-wide identification of Moslem insurgency or else, in due time, this will be only the begining, not the end, of extremism. Taken into a world context, as a Australian general recently said, this is going to be a 100 year war with Islam. So the Thais can side step this issue by first isolating it as a local issue, and then decisively and reasonably solving it before it gets bigger.