Criminal Court postpones trial against Abhisit and Phra Suthep

[Hawk]

Well' date=' unlike some other well-known "leaders", at least they turned up at Court.[/quote']Mr. T did turn up for court but when the going got tough, the tough of going. When the enemy are in control best option is retreat, not surrender.

Hit and run coward comes to mind, then became the biggest S##T stirrer in the world.

No survivalist comes to mind, especially since he was ousted from power by a coup. S##t stirrer is not the right expression, he was and is fighting a guerilla war against the elite who did not/do not like him.

In the art of warfare, political or otherwise, retreat is not a disgrace. He retreated from Thailand which was a very wise move. Let the enemy think they have won, but they will never win against a growing unrest amongst the population. People are waking up but are still muzzled from speaking out, the tide will soon turn in favour of the common man.

Ousted from illegally occupying the post of caretaker PM by the military, after resigning and then re-appointing himself without authority is hardly a coup - although lots like to dress it up as. The enemy weren't in control - one of his was. But still chose to run rather than appeal the conviction and of course avoid the other 15 more serious charges that were coming down the line.

Guerilla war - like as in "ill be there right next you when the first shots are fired" - but you'll be in the firing line and I'll be in Paris shopping.

Against the "elite" - the Shins are part of the elite. They are billionaires who suddenly acquired large amounts of vast wealth - from monopolies, dodgy deals, tax avoidance, and who knows what else. They are only interested in themselves and want to push the "old money" elites out.

Do you really think the Shins are remotely interested in the "common man" or improving the lot of the poor? Look at the last 3 years and open your eyes to what they're really all about.

People are waking up - and many now see the Shins for the corrupt, lying, gang that has lined their own, family and friends pockets for far too long. Simply another gang of hisos trying to turn the country into their own fiefdom.

I really hope Thailand becomes a true democracy, with a lot less corruption, and much fairer society. But one things for sure, the Shins would never deliver that.

********I said the country is feudal but the Shins did make an attempt to modernize the place rather than your old elite trying their best to keep the yolk on the serfs, and are still doing so. The Shin clan were corrupt but who is innocent these days, very few indeed. I cannot point a finger at a single individual when the world is full of crooks and scoundrels.

Was Ab and Suthep any different from Thaksin?

Are the generals progressive or regressive?

Every country in ASEAN is corrupt, every one, I have lived in all of them.

Edited July 28, 2014 by Hawk

[dcutman]

Abhisit and Suthep have nothing to fear they are on the side of right- the military side. GP rules!

It really is unbecoming to be pouting like a four year old child like mum just turned off the tv. You have your reasons for supporting such a corrupt govt, but geez man get over it.

[khunken]

Well, unlike some other well-known "leaders", at least they turned up at Court.

Mr. T did turn up for court but when the going got tough, the tough got going. When the enemy are in control best option is retreat, not surrender.

He turned up initially but then ran away like a coward and tried the bribery method by proxy which failed.

[khunken]

Abhisit and Suthep have nothing to fear they are on the side of right- the military side. GP rules!

A lie. They are in the criminal court facing charges that the military have made no attempt to interfere with.

The same criminal court has always given the red shirt accused (Jatuporn et al) a fair trial and IMO excessive leniency in bail being allowed.

[whybother]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

[khunken]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

Not only did he 'miss' that but be also missed the fact that his preferred mob were still in control of the police (CAPO) during the protests and the addled head stooge threatened many times to arrest Suthep but never did.

They, of course, never tried to arrest the murderous grenade throwers.

[martinhp]

And this is a surprise to anyone?

The difference with red leaders this to men show themself to court and not make a false medical certificate to exempt them....

How big a foul are you I must say to many here low educated low income talk to much about things they will never understand and never be a part of

[ginjag]

Well, unlike some other well-known "leaders", at least they turned up at Court.

Mr. T did turn up for court but when the going got tough, the tough of going. When the enemy are in control best option is retreat, not surrender.

Hit and run coward comes to mind, then became the biggest S##T stirrer in the world.

No survivalist comes to mind, especially since he was ousted from power by a coup. S##t stirrer is not the right expression, he was and is fighting a guerilla war against the elite who did not/do not like him.

In the art of warfare, political or otherwise, retreat is not a disgrace. He retreated from Thailand which was a very wise move. Let the enemy think they have won, but they will never win against a growing unrest amongst the population. People are waking up but are still muzzled from speaking out, the tide will soon turn in favour of the common man.

And you STILL believe that Thaksin gives a crap about the "common man"? Seriously?

You are either deluded or are believing your own propaganda.

******Many common folk did actually prosper when Thaksin was PM, a fact. The people were happy back then but now they are most certainly not, prices of most items going up far too quickly for the common man to cope with these days. Go talk to people, they are getting truly getting fed up with the political turmoil and coup which is not addressing the plight of the common man.

Was he ousted from power by a coup ??? check on that. Since he landed in AEU he has illegally tried to control Thailand through his sister. the growing satisfaction now glowing from most who want to be happy is more like it---NOT your propaganda, sorry it's not wearing--old hat-you are now not just posting to share views your posting for what ??? PTP is resting -hadn't you noticed ??.

Please do not reply trying to give me any reasons that Thaksin is a good person for Thailand his support has near vanished to what it was before people knew what was the truth. You do understand the truth is shown on TV.

[ginjag]

Well, unlike some other well-known "leaders", at least they turned up at Court.

Mr. T did turn up for court but when the going got tough, the tough got going. When the enemy are in control best option is retreat, not surrender.

He turned up initially but then ran away like a coward and tried the bribery method by proxy which failed.

Hawk-propaganda makes him forget the truth.

[fab4]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

No, I didn't miss it nor did I forget it . The case he turned up for in June 2014 was the for the case he filed against DSI's Tharit (and three other DSI Officials) not the one where he is defending himself against pre meditated murder charges.

They are two separate cases.

Suthep Thaugsuban, former deputy prime minister, appeared at the Criminal Court Monday morning to defend his role in cracking rioters in 2010 which resulted in many redshirt rioters dead and injured.

He testified in the court for a case he filed against Department of Special Investigation (DSI) former director-general Tarit Pengdit and three other DSI senior officials of malfeasance and power abuse for indicting murder and attempted murder charges on former premier Abhisit Vejjajiva and him in connection with the legitimate crackdown of rioters between April and May 2010.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

[fab4]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

Not only did he 'miss' that but be also missed the fact that his preferred mob were still in control of the police (CAPO) during the protests and the addled head stooge threatened many times to arrest Suthep but never did.

They, of course, never tried to arrest the murderous grenade throwers.

Read post 40 before you start with the smug replies. Always best to check whether the person whose post you are "liking" or agreeing with is correct before doing so. Saves embarrassment.

[whybother]

No, I didn't miss it nor did I forget it . The case he turned up for in June 2014 was the for the case he filed against DSI's Tharit (and three other DSI Officials) not the one where he is defending himself against pre meditated murder charges.

They are two separate cases.

Suthep Thaugsuban, former deputy prime minister, appeared at the Criminal Court Monday morning to defend his role in cracking rioters in 2010 which resulted in many redshirt rioters dead and injured.

He testified in the court for a case he filed against Department of Special Investigation (DSI) former director-general Tarit Pengdit and three other DSI senior officials of malfeasance and power abuse for indicting murder and attempted murder charges on former premier Abhisit Vejjajiva and him in connection with the legitimate crackdown of rioters between April and May 2010.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Oh ... It was this one that you forget then. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/729298-suthep-freed-on-bail-for-charges-relating-to-2010-killings/?p=7890468

Embarrassing, isn't it.

Edited July 28, 2014 by whybother

[mikemac]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

Before it goes any further...........................................

Well, well, well, it seems even the always 100% correct pipkins can be wrong sometimes !

Credibility level below zero now.

touche, whybother, touche !

Edited July 28, 2014 by mikemac

[Robby nz]

The red leaders must be getting increasingly worried now that Abhisit and Suthep are finally getting close to bringing out their defense against these charges.

It will be interesting to once again see all the hate speeches from the red stage advocating violence and burning.

To see and hear the videos and phone in's from Thaksin urging the deluded to fight the government.

The videos and photos of the men in black shooting at the army.

The most interesting will be the things that haven't surfaced as yet like the money trail.

And wouldn't it be great to see people like Jutaporn, Nuttawat and Arisaman standing up as witnesses and getting caught out in lies.

[smutcakes]

******Many common folk did actually prosper when Thaksin was PM, a fact. The people were happy back then but now they are most certainly not, prices of most items going up far too quickly for the common man to cope with these days. Go talk to people, they are getting truly getting fed up with the political turmoil and coup which is not addressing the plight of the common man.

Was he ousted from power by a coup ??? check on that. Since he landed in AEU he has illegally tried to control Thailand through his sister. the growing satisfaction now glowing from most who want to be happy is more like it---NOT your propaganda, sorry it's not wearing--old hat-you are now not just posting to share views your posting for what ??? PTP is resting -hadn't you noticed ??.

Please do not reply trying to give me any reasons that Thaksin is a good person for Thailand his support has near vanished to what it was before people knew what was the truth. You do understand the truth is shown on TV.

Ginjag,

A serious question if I may? You admittedly said you lived in the middle of Nakon Nowhere, how do you know there is a 'growing satisfaction now glowing from most who want to be happy is more like it?

[khunken]

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

It seems that you missed Suthep attending court in June this year. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/

Ahh ... no you didn't miss it. You just forgot. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/732950-suthep-defends-his-riot-control-role-in-2010/?p=7948992

Not only did he 'miss' that but be also missed the fact that his preferred mob were still in control of the police (CAPO) during the protests and the addled head stooge threatened many times to arrest Suthep but never did.

They, of course, never tried to arrest the murderous grenade throwers.

Read post 40 before you start with the smug replies. Always best to check whether the person whose post you are "liking" or agreeing with is correct before doing so. Saves embarrassment.

Post 40 has absolutely no relevance to what I wrote. You gave half an answer to whybother's post. Suthep did appear in court for the 2010 murder charges as per his other link which you ignored.

The embarrassment is yours as his post was correct and selective answers are the arguments of charlatans.

[Emster23]

One has arm in a sling, other "found" religion. If you think these guys care about "common man" and all reds are thieves, I have an honest bar girl I want to introduce you to....

[The Deerhunter]

and the circus continues

By that i assume you mean you wanted to see them go to trial. It might have got to trial under a Thaksin dominated government but tha would only have been to impress the redshirt loyalists. Bangkok was under seigeby hundreds of armed men who were looting & burning. "Rape & Pillage" is the term I prefer. Any government who did not instruct the police to deal with it and fire back if fired upon would be in default of it's authority. If the police could not or would not do the job then the army would have to be called on. Burning malls & rampaging through hospitals is way beyond the point of acceprable behaviour, Plus assaulting, killing & threatening to kill (by the redshirts i mean.) This was never going to give the red faithful a conviction of their enemies. If that disappoints you then you are either a died-in-the-wool PTP/UDD supporter/apoligist or have no idea of democracy & order. The postponment of trial should be followed by dropping chrages. If that doesn't please you, at least realize that it will please me & the majority of TVF members. This trial could never have given "you and your friends" a guilty verdict.

[The Deerhunter]

Before it goes any farther lets get it straight what this court appearance was all about, to use the official words: " For verification of documents and evidence"

If you remember back not that far when Yingluck refused to appear as ordered and sent her lawyers in her place she was then refused full access to the evidence against her because she did not appear in person.

That it seems is the law.

After much wringing of hands and tears she was eventually given the evidence.

By turning up as requested Abhisit and Suthep and their lawyers now have full access to the evidence against them and have until the 29th August to study that evidence before their next court appearance. They have also shown their respect for the court and the law by complying as they should.

Before it goes any further, let's get it straight that this is a court appearance for verification and evidence in a murder trial, the beginnings of which started in October 2013. Since then Suthep has avoided attending court until this appearance because he was too busy co plotting an overthrow of the previous government protesting about the former government.

That, it seems, is a version of the law that is not applied to all.

Get this straight. These charges stem not from 2013/14 protest times but 2010 when he WAS the government. These charges were always groundless.

[FangFerang]

People who hate injustice will always criticize both sides of the current Thai debate / fiasco / divide.

Narrow minded team sports political punter-pundits, however, despise this, and any criticism of Suthep and Abhisit must be red supporters, and anyone who criticizes ying and thak must be yellow supporters.

This is Thailand, land of lopsided trials and free red bull heirs.....and raped women being rushed to the border to be deported. The list is quite long, really, quite l o n g.

Amazing Thailand, and amazing anyone really picks a side in this.

They all (Thai politicians and monky movement makers ) suck. The last time they had a fair trial in this country, with a verdict that was given in line with the crime....well, they never had a fair trial in this country. I do not expect fair trials, just outcomes, or political stability to 'magically appear' just because the situation has calmed down. it is still on slow simmer.

Amazing Thailand, LOS (Land of Scams). Oddly, the ordinary people here are really nice, but --whew-- those posing as leaders are laughable to me altogether...come to think of it, the West has the same problem.

[whybother]

One has arm in a sling, other "found" religion. If you think these guys care about "common man" and all reds are thieves, I have an honest bar girl I want to introduce you to....

What does having an arm in a sling have to do with caring about anyone?

... sent from my phone.

[Robby nz]

Phra Suthep you could not make it up

Far more hilarious:

Posted 2014-07-26 11:50:16

Karoon Hosakul enters monkhood

BANGKOK: -- Former Pheu Thai party MP for Don Muang Mr Karoon Hosakul was ordained as a Buddhist monk Saturday morning at Wat Don Muang temple.

The ordination ceremony was officiated by Phra Ratchavisuthimongkol, the abbot of Wat Don Muang as his preceptor.

Attending the ceremony this morning included his parents, wife, and former information and communication technology minister Anudit Nakorntab, former MP Surachart Thienthong, local administration politicians, and supporters.

He was given a Buddhist name of Phra Kittitaro which means “the man with fame and honour”.

Phra Kittitaro will perform Buddhism practice’s at the temple for nine days.

Today is also the 65th birthday anniversary of the former premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Source: http://englishnews.t...enters-monkhood

-- Thai PBS 2014-07-26

The name he has given himself been given "the man with fame and honour”..

Infamy and dishonor would be far closer to the mark for a Thaksin bum licker.

[The Deerhunter]

Abhisit and Suthep have nothing to fear they are on the side of right- the military side. GP rules!

As opposed to being on the wrong side when the fugitive camel herder told Tarit to trump up these baseless charges against them.

[The Deerhunter]

And this is a surprise to anyone?

The difference with red leaders this to men show themself to court and not make a false medical certificate to exempt them....

How big a foul are you I must say to many here low educated low income talk to much about things they will never understand and never be a part of

Totally lost me after the third word & I never got the gist of what you were trying to say.

[khunken]

People who hate injustice will always criticize both sides of the current Thai debate / fiasco / divide.

Narrow minded team sports political punter-pundits, however, despise this, and any criticism of Suthep and Abhisit must be red supporters, and anyone who criticizes ying and thak must be yellow supporters.

This is Thailand, land of lopsided trials and free red bull heirs.....and raped women being rushed to the border to be deported. The list is quite long, really, quite l o n g.

Amazing Thailand, and amazing anyone really picks a side in this.

They all (Thai politicians and monky movement makers ) suck. The last time they had a fair trial in this country, with a verdict that was given in line with the crime....well, they never had a fair trial in this country. I do not expect fair trials, just outcomes, or political stability to 'magically appear' just because the situation has calmed down. it is still on slow simmer.

Amazing Thailand, LOS (Land of Scams). Oddly, the ordinary people here are really nice, but --whew-- those posing as leaders are laughable to me altogether...come to think of it, the West has the same problem.

If you live in Thailand with all those chips on your shoulder, you'd be better off leaving before you have a heart attack.

If you understand Thai or even care to check out the reporting in English of trials here you might be amazed to find that many are fair. Yes there is far too much bail handed out and often the sentencing leans heavily on the lenient side.

Criticising the justice system because prominent (i.e. rich) figures run away from justice, like the Red Bull heir, Thaksin, the Samut Parkarn godfather, & the Chonburi one too (since captured), is valid.

As for the leaders, not all are crooks - only the majority - but they are the ones that the good people of Thailand vote (& are paid to vote) for.

Corruption, lack of good governance, and absence of a police force willing to uphold the law are the main reasons that the country has been left behind some of it's regional neighbours. Coups are 'taking a breather' and are not a solution. But this one was needed to stop the almost daily violence against the PDRC. There is a possibility that the current coup will lead to a better democracy but it will take a mammoth effort to achieve it. I'm cautiously optimistic.

[Morakot]

Phra Suthep you could not make it up

Yes. Gautama wept!

[tingtongteesood]

Oh come on FABulously deluded red lover 4, we all know these 'charges' were politically motivated to make Abhisit and Suthep agree with the amnesty bill to whitewash Thsksin and cronies 25000 crimes as it would have also let them off the hook for these bogus charges as well that just so happen to have been made by Takky's lap dog.....Kudos for them for having the balls to do what they have done instead....

Edited July 28, 2014 by tingtongteesood

[rametindallas]

Abhisit, Suthep appear in court for red shirt protest crackdown trial

By Digital Content

BANGKOK, July 28 -- Democrat party leader and former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban appeared in Thailand's Criminal Court this morning for trial in the cases in which they were accused of ordering crackdowns on red shirt protests in 2010.

The Court however postponed the trial to August 28.

The Criminal Court approved combining the cases against Mr Abhisit and Phra Suthep (Mr Suthep, who is now in the Buddhist monkhood), former director of the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) during the Abhisit administration, because both cases share the same set of witnesses and evidence.

The court will resume its examination of evidence and witnesses on August 28.

Mr Abhisit and Phra Suthep arrived at the Criminal Court on Ratchadaphisek Road in Bangkok this morning as the court checked their accounts, evidence and witnesses.

The public prosecution charged them with ordering and attempting the murders of others in relation to fatal crackdowns on red shirt protesters in 2010.

After listening to the charges, Phra Suthep denied them all.

Mr Abhisit and Phra Suthep asked the court to decide if the Department of Special Investigation had authority to investigate their cases because they were accused of malfeasance.

Their argument caused the court to postpone the examination of evidence and witnesses to 9am on August 28.

Phra Suthep said he felt at peace and did not plan to leave the monkhood yet. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2014-07-28

Monks in Thailand are still revered (more or less) and the 'kamnan' is pulling the sympathy vote with his bowed head and orange robes. I'll refer to him as 'pra' on the third anniversary of his monk-hood. Until then, I will assume his joining is a subterfuge. In any case, I very much doubt either one will be convicted but fairness demands they be tried.

[rametindallas]

Well, unlike some other well-known "leaders", at least they turned up at Court.

Mr. T did turn up for court but when the going got tough, the tough of going. When the enemy are in control best option is retreat, not surrender.

Hit and run coward comes to mind, then became the biggest S##T stirrer in the world.

No survivalist comes to mind, especially since he was ousted from power by a coup. S##t stirrer is not the right expression, he was and is fighting a guerilla war against the elite who did not/do not like him.

In the art of warfare, political or otherwise, retreat is not a disgrace. He retreated from Thailand which was a very wise move. Let the enemy think they have won, but they will never win against a growing unrest amongst the population. People are waking up but are still muzzled from speaking out, the tide will soon turn in favour of the common man.

In the art of warfare,

So, you are OK with Dr. Thaksin turning Thailand into a battleground to seek his own 'justice'?

he was and is fighting a guerilla war against the elite

Well it seems his 'guerrilla war' has not taken the life of even one elite but has taken quite a few lives of his 'less than elite' supporters and detractors. Seems you're OK with that, too.

[englishoak]

People still playing your guy is more of a scumbag than my scumbag i see... yawn.

Edited July 28, 2014 by englishoak