New Thai PM expected in week of Aug 18

[fab4]

Pushed through as in maintaining that they could not be postponed.

And quite legitimately too. There is/was (now that the junta have ripped up their own 2007 constitution) no provision to postpone the election in the Constitution. The 2007 Constitution required that elections be held “not less than 45 days but not more than 60 days from the day the House of Representatives has been dissolved.”

Of course the Constitutional Court came up with one of their "interpretations" of the constitution which could be confused with making their own laws up.........

In analyzing Friday’s decision, Pornson Liengboonlertchai, a scholar at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok who specializes in constitutional law, echoed the views of other experts in saying the court appeared to be making law, rather than interpreting it.

“The power to postpone elections does not exist in any part of the Thai Constitution at all,” Mr. Pornson said on Thai television. “The court itself is trying to establish this power.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/world/asia/thai-constitutional-court-says-election-can-be-postponed.html?_r=0

and then we get the same old tired "argument", Democracy is more than elections, as if anybody had denied that it was. What democracy is not, is denying people the right to have an election in the first place, as your first love, suthep managed to arrange, aided and abetted by the misnamed "Election Commission" and finally compounded by the junta.

You keep on spouting your little homilies, e.g "respect my vote even after it has been counted" as if they meant anything to you and then in the next breath willingly endorse the coup. Do you actually understand what a contradiction that is?

I'm sure you don't like some rulings of various courts, especially those against Yingluck's Administration. Too bad, but that's life. Nothing personal though, they did rule as they did legally with elaborate explanations. Of course, it's like talking to those who do not want to hear what they consider wrong.

As for democracy, well that is indeed not the same as elections. Did you read the report in the Nation on k. Anand ? Probably not, doesn't fit your ideas it would seem.

""I don't think democracy is just about elections. Democracy entails several other things such as democratic values, organisations set up to ensure checks and balances, transparency, a fair judicial system, the right to express opinions."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Coup-should-not-revive-old-woes-30241044.html

Oh by the way and along the road, 'endorse the coup' ? You mean as in "accepting that alternatives failed'? Let's work to ensure the NRC/CDC manage to get Thailand on the right track to make coup a thing of the past. Or as former PM Anand said

"Former prime minister Anand Panyarachun said that coup-makers should ensure that the problems that led to the coup in the first place do not return. "

Round and round and round you go, offering interpretations of things I haven't mentioned or espoused.

Did I say democracy was the same as elections or even just about elections? No, I don't believe I did, but thank you for your suggestions from Anand. Pardon me if I don't exactly jump up in the air at his insistence that he did not support a coup and then stated that this coup was necessary, with this as his reasoning;

Anand, who was appointed prime minister after the 1991 coup, said a military power seizure was not always a bad thing, though he did not support it. "I insist, I don't want to see another military coup in Thailand. But, if there is a government that offers space for the people to take part in politics and the economy, and also returns power to the people, then the military will have no reason to stage a coup," he pointed out.

Curiously enough even though democracy entails "other things" it does also include an Election.

[2fishin2]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

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[rubl]

I'm sure you don't like some rulings of various courts, especially those against Yingluck's Administration. Too bad, but that's life. Nothing personal though, they did rule as they did legally with elaborate explanations. Of course, it's like talking to those who do not want to hear what they consider wrong.

As for democracy, well that is indeed not the same as elections. Did you read the report in the Nation on k. Anand ? Probably not, doesn't fit your ideas it would seem.

""I don't think democracy is just about elections. Democracy entails several other things such as democratic values, organisations set up to ensure checks and balances, transparency, a fair judicial system, the right to express opinions."

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Coup-should-not-revive-old-woes-30241044.html

Oh by the way and along the road, 'endorse the coup' ? You mean as in "accepting that alternatives failed'? Let's work to ensure the NRC/CDC manage to get Thailand on the right track to make coup a thing of the past. Or as former PM Anand said

"Former prime minister Anand Panyarachun said that coup-makers should ensure that the problems that led to the coup in the first place do not return. "

Round and round and round you go, offering interpretations of things I haven't mentioned or espoused.

Did I say democracy was the same as elections or even just about elections? No, I don't believe I did, but thank you for your suggestions from Anand. Pardon me if I don't exactly jump up in the air at his insistence that he did not support a coup and then stated that this coup was necessary, with this as his reasoning;

Anand, who was appointed prime minister after the 1991 coup, said a military power seizure was not always a bad thing, though he did not support it. "I insist, I don't want to see another military coup in Thailand. But, if there is a government that offers space for the people to take part in politics and the economy, and also returns power to the people, then the military will have no reason to stage a coup," he pointed out.

Curiously enough even though democracy entails "other things" it does also include an Election.

Did I say you said, or did I suggest that only stressing 'elections' seems a bit strange when a democracy is supposed to have so many aspects.

Anyway the 'other things' include a few things which are to go 'together'. That is, not just 'democracy' therefore 'elections'.

Going round and round and round again,

from your slightly dizzy,

uncle rubl.

[rubl]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

Why bother with appointing a PM? You mean you don't think Thailand should have a PM?

The legal mind likes order and lawfulness, therefore a PM, even if we already know this particular PM (whoever it may be ) will step down to make way for the general elections in October 2015.

[Tywais]

Flame removed.

[Ricardo]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

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"Why bother with this shit?"

Because one hopes that it might slowly get better, over the longer-term ?

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together.

[ginjag]

I did answer the question in the same way as you asked it, by editing the post.

You can be suspicious all you like, at the very least I try to apply certain ethics on all parties, not just apply them to one particular party.

Please answer #79. relating to PTP 3 years of MEGA ACHIEVEMENTS NO?? your a waste of time, and you are arguing about the clean up and the armies inroads into PTPs neglect ??

Edited August 17, 2014 by ginjag

[fab4]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

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"Why bother with this shit?"

Because one hopes that it might slowly get better, over the longer-term ?

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together.

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together

He did indeed, about 4 hours wasn't it, before he declared his coup, which was obviously a spur of the moment decision and in no way planned for months beforehand..........................

[phutoie2]

General P's biggest fear is the counter coup as all 3 military chiefs retire about the same time, better ensure he promotes the right classmates.

[rubl]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

"Why bother with this shit?"

Because one hopes that it might slowly get better, over the longer-term ?

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together.

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together

He did indeed, about 4 hours wasn't it, before he declared his coup, which was obviously a spur of the moment decision and in no way planned for months beforehand..........................

Very un-Thai and unfair, to plan in advance. He should had waiting till he was sure the politicians didn't want to solve the problems before starting to plan a coup.

Mind you, sticking with the topic of this week a PM will be appointed, I think that in the magnanimous mood Thaksin is in, he will congratulate whoever is appointed and by the way tell he not only would have made the same choice but actually did

[sjaak327]

I did answer the question in the same way as you asked it, by editing the post.

You can be suspicious all you like, at the very least I try to apply certain ethics on all parties, not just apply them to one particular party.

Please answer #79. relating to PTP 3 years of MEGA ACHIEVEMENTS NO?? your a waste of time, and you are arguing about the clean up and the armies inroads into PTPs neglect ??

You seem to have some trouble reading, I did re-direct you to the post that contains a clear answer to your question.

Just for you I am willing to expand on it though, as I said PT's achievements are inconsequential. Nowhere would you find me claiming they were a great governement, as I personally believe they weren't.

Having said that, they did have an undisputed mandate, obtained through democratic elections. After months of protests, they did dissolve the house (something they didn't need to do) and they did ask the Thai electorate to speak up their mind again, just as it should be done in any democracy.

The fact that other people choose to make this election impossible (and therefore clearly breaking the law) does not reflect on PT but on the people that invalidated this election (an election mandated by the 2007 constitution). We have seen people being denied running for office and we have seen people being denied casting their vote. Not only 'red shirts" of course, but anyone, even including our former pimp.

Of course, these people should be brought to justice, as they are criminals and their criminal actions were plain to see for anyone interested. Funny how people talk about a convicted criminal, yet they close their eyes to crimes commited by others, just because it better suits their argument or preference.

Edited August 17, 2014 by sjaak327

[ginjag]

I did answer the question in the same way as you asked it, by editing the post.

You can be suspicious all you like, at the very least I try to apply certain ethics on all parties, not just apply them to one particular party.

Please answer #79. relating to PTP 3 years of MEGA ACHIEVEMENTS NO?? your a waste of time, and you are arguing about the clean up and the armies inroads into PTPs neglect ??

You seem to have some trouble reading, I did re-direct you the the post that contains a clear answer to your question.

Just for you I am willing to expand on it though, as I said PT's achievements are inconsequential. Nowhere would you find me claiming they were a great governement, as I personally believe they weren't.

Having said that, they did have an undisputed mandate, obtained through democratic elections. After months of protests, they did dissolve the house (something they didn't need to do) and they did ask the Thai electorate to speak up their mind again, just as it should be done in any democracy.

The fact that other people choose to make this election impossible (and therefore clearly breaking the law) does not reflect on PT but on the people that invalidated this election (an election mandated by the 2007 constitution). We have seen people being denied running for office and we have seen people being denied casting their vote. Not only 'red shirts" of course, but anyone, even including our former pimp.

Of course, these people should be brought to justice, as they are criminals and their criminal actions were plain to see for anyone interested. Funny how people talk about a convicted criminal, yet they close their eyes to crimes commited by others, just because it better suits their argument or preference.

I have no trouble reading--I wanted from you as you defend a diabolical PTP government, although you claim not to.

No excuses--elected to serve as vowed. Did not--miss-used for Thaksins ends only--he is a convict and run the show through his sister who was pathetic. Then you start to say that there should have been elections quickly again, we all know why don't we to get a mandate to non govern for a further 4 years.

Was the rules violated with the amnesty bill???

And finishing off with the same story pushing the criminal into the background and saying the others were as bad.

The list of achievements please in the 3 years, all your rhetoric IS the same as the splinter group. Give yingluck a second term to SH33 on the people----no way that's why we are here in the army situ-----

I do not want a re run post of the pro Shin democracy tripe thanks-----you didn't like them --they wasn't so bad really ??? joke

# years of PTP rule--improvements---9 weeks of army rule improvements---- this will tell me what you represent.

No need a re run about population and elections in normal circumstances it is the way ---massive shake up--clean up---then we can try elections.

[sjaak327]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

Why bother with appointing a PM? You mean you don't think Thailand should have a PM?

The legal mind likes order and lawfulness, therefore a PM, even if we already know this particular PM (whoever it may be ) will step down to make way for the general elections in October 2015.

Lawfulness, oh boy the irony and contradiction.

[ginjag]

Doesnt matter the military dictators are still in charge. They are holding a trump card and can pull it out anytime they want. Why bother with this shit?

Why bother with appointing a PM? You mean you don't think Thailand should have a PM?

The legal mind likes order and lawfulness, therefore a PM, even if we already know this particular PM (whoever it may be ) will step down to make way for the general elections in October 2015.

Lawfulness, oh boy the irony and contradiction.

proves my post.

[sjaak327]

You seem to have some trouble reading, I did re-direct you the the post that contains a clear answer to your question.

Just for you I am willing to expand on it though, as I said PT's achievements are inconsequential. Nowhere would you find me claiming they were a great governement, as I personally believe they weren't.

Having said that, they did have an undisputed mandate, obtained through democratic elections. After months of protests, they did dissolve the house (something they didn't need to do) and they did ask the Thai electorate to speak up their mind again, just as it should be done in any democracy.

The fact that other people choose to make this election impossible (and therefore clearly breaking the law) does not reflect on PT but on the people that invalidated this election (an election mandated by the 2007 constitution). We have seen people being denied running for office and we have seen people being denied casting their vote. Not only 'red shirts" of course, but anyone, even including our former pimp.

Of course, these people should be brought to justice, as they are criminals and their criminal actions were plain to see for anyone interested. Funny how people talk about a convicted criminal, yet they close their eyes to crimes commited by others, just because it better suits their argument or preference.

I have no trouble reading--I wanted from you as you defend a diabolical PTP government, although you claim not to.

No excuses--elected to serve as vowed. Did not--miss-used for Thaksins ends only--he is a convict and run the show through his sister who was pathetic. Then you start to say that there should have been elections quickly again, we all know why don't we to get a mandate to non govern for a further 4 years.

Was the rules violated with the amnesty bill???

And finishing off with the same story pushing the criminal into the background and saying the others were as bad.

The list of achievements please in the 3 years, all your rhetoric IS the same as the splinter group. Give yingluck a second term to SH33 on the people----no way that's why we are here in the army situ-----

I do not want a re run post of the pro Shin democracy tripe thanks-----you didn't like them --they wasn't so bad really ??? joke

# years of PTP rule--improvements---9 weeks of army rule improvements---- this will tell me what you represent.

No need a re run about population and elections in normal circumstances it is the way ---massive shake up--clean up---then we can try elections.

Hmm, maybe you can read, but simply don't understand. You still don't seem to get the message at my second attempt of clarification.

I am under no obligation whatsoever to list any achievements of the previous government. The undeniable fact of the matter is that they did receive a clear mandate, and they did offer the chance to the electorate to evaluate their performance.

What you or I want is completely inconsequential, what matters is what the electorate wants. They have been silenced, first by Suthep and his people and afterwards by the good general.

The fact that Thaksin is a convicted criminal is not a reason for others to commit crimes and get away with it, surely we don't want double standards ?

As to improvements, I don't see any improvements to be honest. I do see propaganda, crackdowns on inconsequential things and a lot of rhetoric. Meanwhile tourist stay home, investors are reluctant to put money into Thailand and the country is being run by a junta. So much for "improvements".

At least madman Suthep is gone, last I heard he became a monk !

I pity genuine monks who are true and devout buddihst. Having such a fraud into their midts.

Edited August 17, 2014 by sjaak327

[ginjag]

You seem to have some trouble reading, I did re-direct you the the post that contains a clear answer to your question.

Just for you I am willing to expand on it though, as I said PT's achievements are inconsequential. Nowhere would you find me claiming they were a great governement, as I personally believe they weren't.

Having said that, they did have an undisputed mandate, obtained through democratic elections. After months of protests, they did dissolve the house (something they didn't need to do) and they did ask the Thai electorate to speak up their mind again, just as it should be done in any democracy.

The fact that other people choose to make this election impossible (and therefore clearly breaking the law) does not reflect on PT but on the people that invalidated this election (an election mandated by the 2007 constitution). We have seen people being denied running for office and we have seen people being denied casting their vote. Not only 'red shirts" of course, but anyone, even including our former pimp.

Of course, these people should be brought to justice, as they are criminals and their criminal actions were plain to see for anyone interested. Funny how people talk about a convicted criminal, yet they close their eyes to crimes commited by others, just because it better suits their argument or preference.

I have no trouble reading--I wanted from you as you defend a diabolical PTP government, although you claim not to.

No excuses--elected to serve as vowed. Did not--miss-used for Thaksins ends only--he is a convict and run the show through his sister who was pathetic. Then you start to say that there should have been elections quickly again, we all know why don't we to get a mandate to non govern for a further 4 years.

Was the rules violated with the amnesty bill???

And finishing off with the same story pushing the criminal into the background and saying the others were as bad.

The list of achievements please in the 3 years, all your rhetoric IS the same as the splinter group. Give yingluck a second term to SH33 on the people----no way that's why we are here in the army situ-----

I do not want a re run post of the pro Shin democracy tripe thanks-----you didn't like them --they wasn't so bad really ??? joke

# years of PTP rule--improvements---9 weeks of army rule improvements---- this will tell me what you represent.

No need a re run about population and elections in normal circumstances it is the way ---massive shake up--clean up---then we can try elections.

Hmm, maybe you can read, but simply don't understand. You still don't seem to get the message at my second attempt of clarification.

I am under no obligation whatsoever to list any achievements of the previous government. The undeniable fact of the matter is that they did receive a clear mandate, and they did offer the chance to the electorate to evaluate their performance.

What you or I want is completely inconsequential, what matters is what the electorate wants. They have been silenced, first by Suthep and his people and afterwards by the good general.

The fact that Thaksin is a convicted criminal is not a reason for others to commit crimes and get away with it, surely we don't want double standards ?

As to improvements, I don't see any improvements to be honest. I do see propaganda, crackdowns on inconsequential things and a lot of rhetoric. Meanwhile tourist stay home, investors are reluctant to put money into Thailand and the country is being run by a junta. So much for "improvements".

At least madman Suthep is gone, last I heard he became a monk !

I pity genuine monks who are true and devout buddihst. Having such a fraud into their midts.

You do not wish to try to find any Mega PTP achievements----I have therefore to assume there wasn't any.

You do not see any improvements in the 9 weeks of army take over-----I now know you are biased.

All the other is waffle--mandates-elections-Suthep- Monks now---oh my lord. You are now put in an inactive post along with the confirmed splinter group, not worth talking about improving on the last regime and what the army can do to improve now. bye-- try it on another newer poster.

[sjaak327]

Haha, a mandate being "waffle".

Keep hammering on about "splinter groups" and other innuendo and keep ignoring facts.

Meanwhile I will continue to call <deleted> when I see it, despite of your apparent disapproval.

[ginjag]

Haha, a mandate being "waffle".

Keep hammering on about "splinter groups" and other innuendo and keep ignoring facts.

Meanwhile I will continue to call <deleted> when I see it, despite of your apparent disapproval.

Did I say mandates were waffle---NO

You belong where you fit in. I belong with the majority on forum wait for the clean up--all sorted after the dung PTP left. next year election-mandate people to decide democracy GREAT-----not Shin style.

You keep your rhetoric it speaks to me about others here in Thailand and their thinking, good to know you like Thaksin democracy, other wise you would not want yingluck to have a quick and early election.

SOD all to do with real democracy. You would have been happy to let them do another 4 years if the Feb elections had taken place ??? just because you believe in Thai style democracy (SHIN ) I should have said------

Twisting my words and coupling mandate with waffle makes you what ---??? (deleted) Still not answered my Mega from PTP. ha ha.

I do not disapprove what you post--now it's a 78 record.---old hat---move forward to the next elections--party in with a mandate. bye bye, Dubai

Edited August 17, 2014 by ginjag

[sjaak327]

Yes you did call mandates waffle. It is there for all to see.

I don't want Yingluck to have a quick and early election, it is the 2007 constitution that mandated an election no more than 60 days after the house has been dissolved.

Why are you so afraid of elections, why do you support people who are trying to deny the rights of Thai citizens to determine who they deem fit to lead their country ?

More importantly, why are you so confident the very same Thai electorate would suddenly choose some other party instead of PT or whatever they name themselves next time. You do not actually believe that Abishit or whoever would run for the democrats have even the slightest chance of gaining support in the north and north-east.

It becomes a sort of déjà vu, we have gone through all of this before, and there is little doubt it will happen again. Some people never learn, because they are dreaming.

Edited August 17, 2014 by sjaak327

[ginjag]

Yes you did call mandates waffle. It is there for all to see.

I don't want Yingluck to have a quick and early election, it is the 2007 constitution that mandated an election no more than 60 days after the house has been dissolved.

Why are you so afraid of elections, why do you support people who are trying to deny the rights of Thai citizens to determine who they deem fit to lead their country ?

More importantly, why are you so confident the very same Thai electorate would suddenly choose some other party instead of PT or whatever they name themselves next time. You do not actually believe that Abishit or whoever would run for the democrats have even the slightest chance of gaining support in the north and north-east.

It becomes a sort of déjà vu, we have gone through all of this before, and there is little doubt it will happen again. Some people never learn, because they are dreaming.

I called your rhetoric waffle.

No more being baited into boring day in day out BS

Go on worrying, no ones stopping you move on stop bothering people with your agenda. go with the flow until the next elections.

To tell you the honest now the Dung has been highlighted and most revealed, have an election tomorrow and the Shins would no t get a look in.

disgraced themselves in government. and good riddance.

[sjaak327]

As long as I comply with forum regulations, I can and will post on here. You keep accusing me of having an agenda, yet you fail to hide yours.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Thailand is being run by a junta with no mandate whatsoever.

And to me, that is really all that counts, I do not care about the rest and just wish that the ability for Thai citizens to choose who they deem fit to run their country will be restored immediately. There is no need nor desire to wait for this restoration.

[ginjag]

As long as I comply with forum regulations, I can and will post on here. You keep accusing me of having an agenda, yet you fail to hide yours.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Thailand is being run by a junta with no mandate whatsoever.

And to me, that is really all that counts, I do not care about the rest and just wish that the ability for Thai citizens to choose who they deem fit to run their country will be restored immediately. There is no need nor desire to wait for this restoration.

No agenda sorry. Not like you --I hate lousy elected non democratic governments, even if elected. I only want stability, and good governance, Next year and your dreams will come true---PTP vote back 5555555555555555.

By the way who is stopping you from posting your rhetoric ???

But in future count me out of it, and do not include my name in any future posts, that's all and you keep with your minority BYE.

Just hoping my Thai friends can be rid of Thaksin style democracy for good, but it needs flushing out completely before your dream comes to fruition, fair free elections. You see I do not have an agenda.

Edited August 17, 2014 by ginjag

[tbthailand]

General P's biggest fear is the counter coup as all 3 military chiefs retire about the same time, better ensure he promotes the right classmates.

Good point. I have read that he is working on exactly that.

[sjaak327]

As long as I comply with forum regulations, I can and will post on here. You keep accusing me of having an agenda, yet you fail to hide yours.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Thailand is being run by a junta with no mandate whatsoever.

And to me, that is really all that counts, I do not care about the rest and just wish that the ability for Thai citizens to choose who they deem fit to run their country will be restored immediately. There is no need nor desire to wait for this restoration.

No agenda sorry. Not like you --I hate lousy elected non democratic governments, even if elected. I only want stability, and good governance, Next year and your dreams will come true---PTP vote back 5555555555555555.

By the way who is stopping you from posting your rhetoric ???

But in future count me out of it, and do not include my name in any future posts, that's all and you keep with your minority BYE.

Just hoping my Thai friends can be rid of Thaksin style democracy for good, but it needs flushing out completely before your dream comes to fruition, fair free elections. You see I do not have an agenda.

They might have been lousy, they were indeed elected, there is however no evidence to suggest they were undemocratic.

There is however undisputable evidence that the current government is indeed undemocratic. It seems your wish of stability and good governance has not been granted.

When free and fair elections do return to Thailand, I sincerely hope the next government would make sure the military could never again stick their nose were it doesn't belong..

[tbthailand]

As long as I comply with forum regulations, I can and will post on here. You keep accusing me of having an agenda, yet you fail to hide yours.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Thailand is being run by a junta with no mandate whatsoever.

And to me, that is really all that counts, I do not care about the rest and just wish that the ability for Thai citizens to choose who they deem fit to run their country will be restored immediately. There is no need nor desire to wait for this restoration.

No agenda sorry. Not like you --I hate lousy elected non democratic governments, even if elected. I only want stability, and good governance, Next year and your dreams will come true---PTP vote back 5555555555555555.

By the way who is stopping you from posting your rhetoric ???

But in future count me out of it, and do not include my name in any future posts, that's all and you keep with your minority BYE.

Just hoping my Thai friends can be rid of Thaksin style democracy for good, but it needs flushing out completely before your dream comes to fruition, fair free elections. You see I do not have an agenda.

They might have been lousy, they were indeed elected, there is however no evidence to suggest they were undemocratic.

There is however undisputable evidence that the current government is indeed undemocratic. It seems your wish of stability and good governance has not been granted.

When free and fair elections do return to Thailand, I sincerely hope the next government would make sure the military could never again stick their nose were it doesn't belong..

It looks unlikely that the next set of elections will be free and fair. In any case, I suspect your last point will be extremely difficult to implement.

[ginjag]

As long as I comply with forum regulations, I can and will post on here. You keep accusing me of having an agenda, yet you fail to hide yours.

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Thailand is being run by a junta with no mandate whatsoever.

And to me, that is really all that counts, I do not care about the rest and just wish that the ability for Thai citizens to choose who they deem fit to run their country will be restored immediately. There is no need nor desire to wait for this restoration.

No agenda sorry. Not like you --I hate lousy elected non democratic governments, even if elected. I only want stability, and good governance, Next year and your dreams will come true---PTP vote back 5555555555555555.

By the way who is stopping you from posting your rhetoric ???

But in future count me out of it, and do not include my name in any future posts, that's all and you keep with your minority BYE.

Just hoping my Thai friends can be rid of Thaksin style democracy for good, but it needs flushing out completely before your dream comes to fruition, fair free elections. You see I do not have an agenda.

They might have been lousy, they were indeed elected, there is however no evidence to suggest they were undemocratic.

There is however undisputable evidence that the current government is indeed undemocratic. It seems your wish of stability and good governance has not been granted.

When free and fair elections do return to Thailand, I sincerely hope the next government would make sure the military could never again stick their nose were it doesn't belong..

you said no evidence to say PTP was undemocratic ??? enough mate, sorry ridiculous unless you are a shin supporter. you want to speak like this --I said before stop the posts with me.

[sjaak327]

They might have been lousy, they were indeed elected, there is however no evidence to suggest they were undemocratic.

There is however undisputable evidence that the current government is indeed undemocratic. It seems your wish of stability and good governance has not been granted.

When free and fair elections do return to Thailand, I sincerely hope the next government would make sure the military could never again stick their nose were it doesn't belong..

It looks unlikely that the next set of elections will be free and fair. In any case, I suspect your last point will be extremely difficult to implement.

I agree with you on both counts. However one can dream right

[Ricardo]

"Why bother with this shit?"

Because one hopes that it might slowly get better, over the longer-term ?

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together.

For example, this time the General declared martial-law, but still gave the lacklustre-politicians a last opportunity to reach agreement together

He did indeed, about 4 hours wasn't it, before he declared his coup, which was obviously a spur of the moment decision and in no way planned for months beforehand..........................

"about 4 hours wasn't it, before he declared his coup"

I was overseas on family business that week fab4, but IIRC the BBC & Al-Jazeera reported it as two days of meetings , before he announced that martial-law would become a full coup ? Were they wrong ?

My point was that I view it as a small measure of progress, the military's having meetings to allow the politicians one last chance to come to a peaceful agreement, compared to the old days.

And that small steps, in the right direction, are better than nothing.

[StefanBBK]

What is a fair election? Can an election ever be fair? How much money has to be spent campaigning to win an election in the Western World?

Is it necessary for voters to have a basic understanding about politics, governance and economy to be qualified to vote?

Should an elected government be allowed to change the constitution? Who controls the government? What is the role of the constitutional court?

[AleG]

They might have been lousy, they were indeed elected, there is however no evidence to suggest they were undemocratic.

There is however undisputable evidence that the current government is indeed undemocratic. It seems your wish of stability and good governance has not been granted.

When free and fair elections do return to Thailand, I sincerely hope the next government would make sure the military could never again stick their nose were it doesn't belong..

The people voted for PTP and Yingluck, they got Thaksin, a fugitive on the run, directing the government. That would be an unelected criminal for those that are not up to speed, in charge of a government. If you don´t see that as undemocratic it has something to do with subverting the democratic process, removing transparency and accountability for governnment decision and just a plain insult to the country by putting up a charade of Yingluck as a useless puppet for window dressing; not to mention the sheer illegality of it all.

You may come back with the tired old argument that the people knew that they were actually voting for Thaksin (therefore participating in electoral fraud BTW), but if you are going to just assume what people want, without caring with what people actually voted for, why bother with this "election" thing at all?

Then of course there's all the parliamentary shenanigans of PTP, like changing a bill on the eleventh hour so it would have absolved Thaksin of all his crimes (after swearing up and down for months that was not what they wanted to do), then passing the "Amnesty Bill at 4AM in the abscence of any opposition.

Last but not least, there's all those murders of people that dared to protests against PTP, not very democratic that.