Badbanker Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 A surrender and deportation is a relatively complex thing that has to be planned in advance. Ask your embassy about which airline in your country that accept deportees? Embassies work on a daily basis with the IDC to help get their nationals out of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 Badbanker, you mentioned it once but I forgot: is a blackmail listing part of the court decision, or is it a separate decision made by immigration and if so, at what level of the hierarchy is it decided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 If you that is his friend, and the family lend him $325 each. He have the money............ yes, I can do the maths myself but appreciate you taking the time. I want to know what the fine is if he hands himself in? mario already told you hours ago, 20,000 baht. thats the fine at the airport, if you go thru immigration it is a lot less Between 4-6k but I wouldn't be surprised if this amount might go up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheSpade Posted August 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2014 If I had a friend who was facing being locked up in Thai prison or detention centre I'd give him the 20,000B. It's not that much money in the grand scheme of things. Can't you give it to your friend or have a whip round with any other friends he has? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badbanker Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 HI Actually Immigration or a court are the only ones who can order you black listed. It is a separate issue after you have been judged by either to have broken Thai law sufficiently to warrant it. I have seen people black listed for working for 3 days without a work permit. Do not get into a bad relationship with your arresting officer as he is the one who can make the recommendation to immigration that you be black listed. Badbanker, you mentioned it once but I forgot: is a blackmail listing part of the court decision, or is it a separate decision made by immigration and if so, at what level of the hierarchy is it decided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 If I had a friend who was facing being locked up in Thai prison or detention centre I'd give him the 20,000B. It's not that much money in the grand scheme of things. Can't you give it to your friend or have a whip round with any other friends he has? so far we've heard that they cant contact his family, that his family can afford the ticket but not the fine, that his family can pay half the fine plus the ticket, .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 what a waste of 67 posts on TVF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post digitalchromakey Posted August 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2014 what a waste of 67 posts on TVF Disagree, the information posted in this thread by Badbanker, Thai visa forum's member with actual experience of helping large numbers of people subject to immigration detention, the courts, the IDC and deportation from Thailand, is very, very pertinent indeed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo63 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If you're really his friend then lend him the money or contact his family and get help from them. In truth though I've little sympathy. Anyone overstaying 7 months has to pay the consequences ( nothing to do with the crackdown). Can't pay then off to jail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnikaIII Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If he has no money, I expect that he now has no choice - hand himself in and throw himself at the mercy of the Thai authorities. If he has a Police report, I would suggest that he present that to Immigration, but ultimately we are talking about someone who knowingly overstayed for 7 months and now has no money - the last guy that happened to ended up living on the beach in Pattaya. If this guy really is your friend, you might want to consider a little sage advice prior to his departure. I would add that we seem to have quite a few 'I have a friend' threads of late - not saying I dont believe you, simply wondering out loud how many of these stories would even see the light of day if Thailand hadnt initiated the crackdown. There was a lot of hot air about 'innocent people' being caught up in the crackdown - I have to wonder if there is a difference between innocence and the kind of gross naivety that your friend has displayed. " ... gross naivety ... " + Consider the posture of one with it's head in the sand. It's ass is in the air, asking to be kicked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianatlarge Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Somehow I cannot grasp the reasoning of sending someone to jail who wishes to leave the country, to repay 20k at 200 a day, plus the cost of incarceration. Some people simply lose out. It can happen to anyone. Don't punish those at the end of their rope with pointless punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slygeeza Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 thanks a lot Badbanker, thats what I was after I have written a great deal, in other threads about the overstay process over the past years, most of which is still valid. I recommend that you also look at some of these threads! As we are all aware there is a new regime coming into play in the next few days, which has toughened up immigration regulations over the past several months. It is this that I want to address some what. It is still possible 50% of the time, for you to go to the airport with a valid passport and 20k baht and fly out on the same day. There have been more reports from embassies, that people have been turned back from the airport for large overstays (5 year), to go and report to immigration and to settle things in court. I had a case of a guy who was caught and sentenced on an overstay and paid the 3,000 fine and left the country. He returned on a 14 day visa exemption and he overstayed again for some time. He was caught and taken before the judge who saw the previous overstay fine and the attached suspended 3 month jail sentence that is always given with it. The judge said jail for 1 year! He served 6 months and was black listed on being deported. Overstays have been ignored for a long time, but now as we all know it is becoming serious business! If you present yourself at Suan Plu Immigration at 8 am on any working day, they will take you to court at 10 am and you will be fined anything from 1,500 to 10,000 baht depending on the length of overstay and the judge! No, there is no set metric however the vast majority of people I have seen get between 3-8,000 baht fines. After you are sentenced you will go back to Immigration Detention and be asked which airline you arrived on and if you have money for a ticket back to your country of origin. If you arrived on an airline from a country that is not your home country or your country of residence, you will be sent on an airline which is on a list of national carriers or an approved airline that takes deportees. Not every airline will take deportees! Of course your embassy will be consulted and asked to assist. If your flight leaves during normal hours, you will be charged 800 baht for the secure transport to the airport. You will not be handcuffed unless you have exhibited aggressive and or dangerous behavior. At the airport your family and friends may bring your personal effects to you and you will be given 5 or 10 mins to say good bye. Once you have checked in you will be escorted with your passport or travel document to a holding area till your flight is near leaving. 30 mins before gate closing you will be escorted to the aircraft and your passport will be given to the Captain of the aircraft, who will give it to Immigration authorities in your country of arrival. Of course the system is not set in stone so sometimes they give you your passport and they tell you to wait at the departure gate and board by yourself. The new regime is a thing that is bothering lots of us people. Having done hundreds of deportations I know what I am talking about. George the owner of this site asks me to keep things up to date, so I do when I feel it will have benefit. Hope this helps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godden Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 be a good pal and lend him the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slygeeza Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I had a friend who was facing being locked up in Thai prison or detention centre I'd give him the 20,000B. It's not that much money in the grand scheme of things. Can't you give it to your friend or have a whip round with any other friends he has? so far we've heard that they cant contact his family, that his family can afford the ticket but not the fine, that his family can pay half the fine plus the ticket, .... keep trying ayjeedee, hes a guy Ive known for a few months, hes got a sense of humor and hes never hit me up for money so im happy to help him out but I know very little about his past or family and dont want to lend him money. If you or anyone else want to help him out with a donation you are welcome to pm me. good luck with the trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) O.P. : "he had everything stolen and no contacts"... rrrright, 7 months overstay, no cash, blabla... and he's a friend of a friend of a friend... I'm sick and tired of this kind of posts. How do people manage to get into situations like this if it's not a combination of pure stupidity, ignorance, superficiality, negligence, and the results of "what goes around, comes around"? If he's a true friend, he'd take care of things himself and not send you to clean up after him. At the end of the day, most likely the "friend" is the guy you see in the mirror every morning and every now and then in the mirror of a pub or shopping center toilet, isn't that so? However best for your "friend" would be to walk like a man and empty handed into the next immigration office and let things take its course - just exactly the same he obviously has done all along anyway (letting things take its course and giving a toss)... Edited August 13, 2014 by catweazle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Badbanker Posted August 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2014 The point of going to court is not to have to pay the 20k! It is only in very extreme circumstances that people get to the end of their rope and go this route of surrendering to immigration. I had a Danish guy last week who had no money at all and was living on the street and in a police station where the police fed him. Until he is in the IDC, the Embassy cannot help him. He had done this before and his father and family would not give him any more money. He was 3 months overstayed and he got a 3,000 baht court fine so he spent 15 day in jail and then came back to the IDC and his embassy arranged a ticket home. Good outcome and he got home a little wiser! Somehow I cannot grasp the reasoning of sending someone to jail who wishes to leave the country, to repay 20k at 200 a day, plus the cost of incarceration. Some people simply lose out. It can happen to anyone. Don't punish those at the end of their rope with pointless punishments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I do not know if the latest legislation has altered everything, but I have had to go to court with a few people over the years up in Issan & it does (did) seem the sentences--(fines) are lighter up there---(this may be of no help to the OPs Friends situation)---the last one was working illegally as a teacher 8 years overstay---6,000baht fine & allowed to do a U turn in Laos. Someone posted that the IDC unit is better than the standard prison, this is not so, it really is a bad situation in the IDC , partly because they do not know each day how many inmates will be in there, the overcrowding last time I visited there was horrific, Also you really do need to have some money if you are in there---yes I realize if you get sent there for not having enough funds its a bit of a catch 22 situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slygeeza Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 O.P. : "he had everything stolen and no contacts"... rrrright, 7 months overstay, no cash, blabla... and he's a friend of a friend of a friend... I'm sick and tired of this kind of posts. How do people manage to get into situations like this if it's not a combination of pure stupidity, ignorance, superficiality, negligence, and the results of "what goes around, comes around"? If he's a true friend, he'd take care of things himself and not send you to clean up after him. At the end of the day, most likely the "friend" is the guy you see in the mirror every morning and every now and then in the mirror of a pub or shopping center toilet, isn't that so? However best for your "friend" would be to walk like a man and empty handed into the next immigration office and let things take its course - just exactly the same he obviously has done all along anyway (letting things take it's course and giving a toss)... wow, big mistake saying friend, its almost like people think hes my wife or something, maybe I should have just said it was me, that would have titillated the punters even more I suspect. its just a question I posted on a forum, I hope you and the others that seem so upset can recover from it, I didnt mean to spoil your day, really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If I had a friend who was facing being locked up in Thai prison or detention centre I'd give him the 20,000B. It's not that much money in the grand scheme of things. Can't you give it to your friend or have a whip round with any other friends he has? so far we've heard that they cant contact his family, that his family can afford the ticket but not the fine, that his family can pay half the fine plus the ticket, .... keep trying ayjeedee, hes a guy Ive known for a few months, hes got a sense of humor and hes never hit me up for money so im happy to help him out but I know very little about his past or family and dont want to lend him money. If you or anyone else want to help him out with a donation you are welcome to pm me. good luck with the trolling just summarizing all your various claims youve made in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jbax Posted August 13, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2014 It's just difficult for me to believe anyone can overstay 7 months, apparently without any visible means of support, and not have the wherewithal to avoid 100 days in confinement for the lack of a lousy $650.00--- avoiding jail and IDC would be my first priority. This guy doesn't sound too swift so I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of bright prospects back home either. Your friend needs to grow up and operate within the legal visa parameters when he travels. Sorry for the rant. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyinhuahin Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I don't belive the embassy will help him. Why don't you lend him the money? It's your friend and it's not that much money. Or get in touch with his family or friends in his home country? actually his emabassy will, but I want to know what the fine is, thats why I asked I think it's clear that none of us know what the fine will be, except that it won't exceed 20k. Going in front of a judge will probably get it reduced but we don't know how much. And it will subject him to at least some time in imprisonment, as much as 200 days. My take is that it's better to find the funds and avoid those complications. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AYJAYDEE Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The point of going to court is not to have to pay the 20k! It is only in very extreme circumstances that people get to the end of their rope and go this route of surrendering to immigration. I had a Danish guy last week who had no money at all and was living on the street and in a police station where the police fed him. Until he is in the IDC, the Embassy cannot help him. He had done this before and his father and family would not give him any more money. He was 3 months overstayed and he got a 3,000 baht court fine so he spent 15 day in jail and then came back to the IDC and his embassy arranged a ticket home. Good outcome and he got home a little wiser! Somehow I cannot grasp the reasoning of sending someone to jail who wishes to leave the country, to repay 20k at 200 a day, plus the cost of incarceration. Some people simply lose out. It can happen to anyone. Don't punish those at the end of their rope with pointless punishments. he's done it before and you think this time will wisen him up? lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whgthai Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I am just amazed that some people think they can stay in a country without a visa and then get a big surprise when there are fines to be paid and a very possible deportation. Same in the country where they mostly come from (US, UK and Europe), right? While it would have been nice of Immigration to give "overstayers" like three months to leave without a fine due to lack of enforcement in the past, the law is the law. And even with a grace period given, there would still be many who would not have paid any attention. Yes, some got robbed or lost their money (various reasons) but taking months or years to do anything about it, difficult to understand. How have they managed to survive in the meantime, I wonder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 He can call and ask. The embassy will help him. Speaking for U.S. Embassy. It doesn't need to be jail. It is venial and he is very sorry. Did he hurt his head. Bring note from doctor. When I overstay that was all they wanted to see. It was checked in my bag. So, I gave the money. Went back USA. Returned in few months and got happily married. Hallelujah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The point of going to court is not to have to pay the 20k! It is only in very extreme circumstances that people get to the end of their rope and go this route of surrendering to immigration. I had a Danish guy last week who had no money at all and was living on the street and in a police station where the police fed him. Until he is in the IDC, the Embassy cannot help him. He had done this before and his father and family would not give him any more money. He was 3 months overstayed and he got a 3,000 baht court fine so he spent 15 day in jail and then came back to the IDC and his embassy arranged a ticket home. Good outcome and he got home a little wiser! Somehow I cannot grasp the reasoning of sending someone to jail who wishes to leave the country, to repay 20k at 200 a day, plus the cost of incarceration. Some people simply lose out. It can happen to anyone. Don't punish those at the end of their rope with pointless punishments. he's done it before and you think this time will wisen him up? lol Nobody is pushing anyone. WE do it to ourselves. Bon Voyage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wat dee Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If you that is his friend, and the family lend him $325 each. He have the money............ yes, I can do the maths myself but appreciate you taking the time. I want to know what the fine is if he hands himself in? 20k and you know that Should get atleast half off. "friend" got 8000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Maybe its better for him to throw away his passport and cross the Mekong river at night and surrender to the Lao Authorities or cross from Koh Lipe to Langkawi with a longtail boat at nigh and surrender there, maybe less prison time in the neighbouring countries compared to Thailand and more human prisons, I don't know but I would look into the options and the borders are not that well guarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWorldwide Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 FWIW, the Dept of Foreign Affairs in Oz released a press release a while back to the effect that it's not their role to help Australians in trouble overseas. The OP's friend isnt Australian but I wonder how many Brits or Americans would accept that line from a government agency ? Seems they have been swamped by Aussies doing silly things overseas and needing help - Kuta and Phuket being the usual suspects. I get the 'understaffed and under-resourced' bit, but to basically tell travellers to bugger off seems a bit harsh for mine. OP, I hope you will update this thread if and when your friend finally hands himself in - I'll be interested to hear what the eventual outcome is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWorldwide Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Maybe its better for him to throw away his passport and cross the Mekong river at night and surrender to the Lao Authorities or cross from Koh Lipe to Langkawi with a longtail boat at nigh and surrender there, maybe less prison time in the neighbouring countries compared to Thailand and more human prisons, I don't know but I would look into the options and the borders are not that well guarded. More humane prisons in Laos or Malaysia ? After illegally breaching their borders ? Some homework may be in order methinks. Bribing the 'right' people might be an option but if the OP's friend doesnt even have 20K baht I wish him every success avoiding some of the misery outlined below. I think the OP's friend needs a better plan. How many countries do you know where they have a prison just for foreigners, and a mixed-sex prison at that ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonthong_Prison Prison cells measuring about sixteen square metres are used to hold up to six inmates.[4] Rations consist of two bowls of pig fat water soup and sticky rice per cell per day.[4] According to former prisoner Kay Danes, prisoners are regularly tortured using techniques including mock executions, beatings and waterboarding,[5] and some prisoners have had their genitals burned I also wonder how many Hmong share your rosy view of prisons in the PDR ? http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1001/S00247.htm Here's a little snippet re Malaysian jails - remember that this is a country which is still willing to execute foreigners: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Malaysia#Rights_of_inmates Prisoners suffer from overcrowding, poor food, and irregular water supplies. Inmates are allowed visitors. Religious observance is allowed, provided the religion in question is not one of 56 Islamic sects considered “deviant.” Medical care is poor, with hundreds dying of communicable diseases in IDCs, prisons, and jails from 2001–2007. NGOs and the media are usually not allowed to monitor conditions in prison. Preventive and investigative detention are permitted. Police are provided with human-rights training. Caning is a common punishment for serious crimes; boys over 10 may be sentenced to what is called a light caning.[3] Edited August 13, 2014 by MrWorldwide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 I do agree with that. Keep out of the reporting side now. As a friend. just buy his ticket home, take him to the airport , stick 20,000bht in his pocket as you wave goodbye. Well done, job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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