1400 children sexually exploited in UK town Rotherham: report

[7by7]

Some posters are talking like these offenders aren't British citizens. Most of them are, aren't they?

Brith is citizens they may be - but they are not of the same Religion and this is the crux of the matter.

If a dog is born in a stable - does that mean that it's an horse ??

The official religion of the UK is the Anglican Communion; that is the Church of England, Church of Ireland, Church in Wales and Scottish Episcopal Church.

So, are you saying that Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other Christian sects, not to mention non Christians such as Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs should not be classed as British?

What about atheists?

Or does your ridiculous remark only apply to Muslims?

[7by7]

Those of you who say that Muslims have not contributed anything to this country should have a look at this list.

It does, of course, include people with whose ideals and beliefs no one here would agree; especially those listed under militants.

But the vast majority are people who have contributed to this country in many ways.

For example:

Sheraz Daya – ophthalmologist and eye surgeon, best known for his founding of the Centre for Sight in 1996 and his work in the use of stem-cell research during sight recovery surgery.

Tipu Zahed Aziz – Professor of neurosurgery at the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford, and lecturer at Magdalen College, Oxford and Imperial College London medical school.

James Caan – Businessman and entrepreneur who was formally a part of Dragons' Den alongside with other investors.

and, most relevant to this topic;

Nazir Afzal – The Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England. One of his first decisions in that role was to initiate prosecutions in the case of the Rochdale sex trafficking gang.

Last, but by no means least, Jabron Hashmi; a British Muslim soldier killed in Afghanistan

Dear oh dear this is desperate stuff, nobody claims that Muslims have never done anything for the UK, however little that appears to be. What on earth has that got to do with hundreds of them torturing and raping white girls? Four people is hardly a vast majority. The attempt by you and another to deflect from and belittle the enormity of the crimes in Rochdale and elsewhere is quite depressing. Perhaps you have a link to the vast majority of Muslims speaking out against this vile abuse?

Are you a Muslim or married to one, I bet one of those is a yes!

No one claims Muslims have never done anything for the UK?

You have obviously not read the posts in this, and other, topics which make that claim, calling them all things such as worthless scum!

I repeat; I am not trying to deflect from nor belittle the horrendous crimes of these men in Rochdale!!!

That you make such an accusation only shows how closed your mind is. As does your assumption that because I am not Islamaphobic and blaming all Muslims for the horrendous crimes of a small minority that I must be a Muslim myself or married to one; your wrong on that, by the way.

I have already provided a link to Muslims speaking out against this abuse; perhaps you can provide one to Catholics demonstrating in the streets against the abuse of children carried out by many Catholic priests?

Edited August 30, 2014 by 7by7

[Richard W]

The problem is that some posters are talking about sending them back where they came from and it seems they came from Britain.

Being born British in Britain does not bestow the right to remain British. Unless Pakistani citizenship has been deliberately got rid of, having a parent born in Pakistan will generally make them Pakistani citizens and therefore liable to lose British citizenship if such loss is conducive to the public good.

[for real]

Some posters are talking like these offenders aren't British citizens. Most of them are, aren't they?

Brith is citizens they may be - but they are not of the same Religion and this is the crux of the matter.

If a dog is born in a stable - does that mean that it's an horse ??

The official religion of the UK is the Anglican Communion; that is the Church of England, Church of Ireland, Church in Wales and Scottish Episcopal Church.

So, are you saying that Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other Christian sects, not to mention non Christians such as Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs should not be classed as British?

What about atheists?

Or does your ridiculous remark only apply to Muslims?

When MCC are playing test matches who do you think the black,and Asian people are supporting and shouting for?

[nontabury]

The working class of the 60's could have stopped this just by voting for the National Front who were the only party that would have kicked out those already here [britain] and prevented any immigration of illiterates.

Instead they were brainwashed into believing that the NF when out on the streets engaged in violent acts.

The working class were too dumb to realize that the NF were defending themselves from the thugs that preached for 'tolerance' and peaceful multiculturism.

I always voted for the NF as it was the only way I was allowed to state I was against mass immigration.

I think the whole of the British electorate correctly rejected the NF for a number of reasons.The NF denial of the holocaust and there blatant racialist agenda. What most of the people are now concerned with is that, thanks to the policies of Labour, large numbers of people have been allowed to enter the country with very little border control, in addition one section of these immigrants, legal or illegal, posses an alien culture with no intention of integrating.

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[Richard W]

The official religion of the UK is the Anglican Communion; that is the Church of England, Church of Ireland, Church in Wales and Scottish Episcopal Church.

WRONG!

The established church in England is indeed the Church of England. However, the established church in Scotland is the Church of Scotland, which is Presbyterian and not part of the Anglican Communion.

Wales and Northern Ireland do not have established churches.

[Thai at Heart]

Still desperately trying to find some white involvement?

UK white Brits have been convicted of involvement elsewhere with these gangs. So just pointing out that not solely Pakistanis, whilst the very large majority, carrying out terrible abuses in mixed community towns.

I see you edited out the 'blame the parents' part.

You'll go to any lengths to move the spotlight off the Asian perpetrators, won't you?

Disgraceful!

No. At the same time I cannot see the point of people like you posting hate filled comments, including suggesting forced deportation, addressed to the entire Muslim community.

As I said averaging seven new victims a month over a 16 year period. I find it perplexing, given the numerous multiple attacks over many years, why the parents of the victims were unable to take measures to guide / protect their children. So, yes, I do believe the parents have some responsibility.

Parents have been anonymously interviewed on the BBC. One family realised there was no avenue to solve the problem. They realised that the police and local govt were complicit .

They moved away.

[Thai at Heart]

Do you guys realise that this report relates to past events and in the intervening time none of your doom laden predictions have come true. The EDF have not seen a huge groundswell of support , there has not been endless race riots and blood on the streets , talk of impending civil war is simply delusional.

I am an atheist , I dont feel anymore threatened by a mosque then I do by a church or a synagogue , radical Islamists get their fix these days from the Internet not from the local Imam.

There is no question that some Muslims have not integrated , that a minority have been radicalised and that criminal gangs have taken advantage of the left wing refusal to condemn minority wrong doing. However the climate has changed , UKIP has put pressure on the Conservatives and even Labour have admited that they took Multiculturalism too far.

The fact is that race is being discussed more openly now than for decades , its no longer a taboo subject.

These Pakistani rapists are scum and the radicalisation of young Muslims is a definite concern but some of the comments on this thread are just ignorant rants , lets have some perspective for goodness sake.

Well until the leaders of the immigrant population refuse to continually and vocally call for their brethren to root out these horrendous people, I will choose to remain sceptical about the whole population.

If I had any suspicion that my WASP neighbour was a kiddie fiddler or white supremacist I would have zero hesitation in shopping him.

I have my doubt about the views of many in the immigrant populations vis a vis their attitude concerning law and order and morals.

[jacky54]

Some posters are talking like these offenders aren't British citizens. Most of them are, aren't they?

Brith is citizens they may be - but they are not of the same Religion and this is the crux of the matter.

If a dog is born in a stable - does that mean that it's an horse ??

The official religion of the UK is the Anglican Communion; that is the Church of England, Church of Ireland, Church in Wales and Scottish Episcopal Church.

So, are you saying that Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other Christian sects, not to mention non Christians such as Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs should not be classed as British?

What about atheists?

Or does your ridiculous remark only apply to Muslims?

Off topic post, this thread is about Pakistani men torturing and raping 1400 children in Rotherham, and not about who is British. You are just trying to deflect the issue as usual.

Edited August 30, 2014 by jacky54

[7by7]

I wonder what it will take for English people to get 'mad' and fight back.

First the London tube bombings,then the decapitation of the soldier at Greenwich and now this....also,churches turned to mosques (courtesy of the CoE) and a general cocky and disrespectful behaviour by muslims..

...and yet....no reaction.

Blighty is toast methinks.

Fortunately, the vast majority of British, not just English, people are fair, open minded people who do not blame a whole section of the community for the horrendous actions of a minority from that section.

Imagine, for example, the backlash against the Irish over the murderous actions of the IRA in the 1970's and 80s were it otherwise!

Churches into mosques?

No one forced the Church of England to sell churches and no one forced them to sell them to Muslims to be turned into mosques.

For various reasons, the Church of England have closed, deconsecrated and sold many of their churches.

Some have been bought by Muslim groups and turned into mosques; but far more have been bought and converted into flats, retail outlets, etc.

But, as can be seen from Finding A Suitable Alternative Use, most of them are used for worship by other Christian bodies.

[7by7]

Some posters are talking like these offenders aren't British citizens. Most of them are, aren't they?

Brith is citizens they may be - but they are not of the same Religion and this is the crux of the matter.

If a dog is born in a stable - does that mean that it's an horse ??

The official religion of the UK is the Anglican Communion; that is the Church of England, Church of Ireland, Church in Wales and Scottish Episcopal Church.

So, are you saying that Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other Christian sects, not to mention non Christians such as Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs should not be classed as British?

What about atheists?

Or does your ridiculous remark only apply to Muslims?

Off topic post, this thread is about Pakistani men torturing and raping 1400 children in Rotherham, and not about who is British. You are just trying to deflect the issue as usual.

The men responsible for this horrendous crime were all British. Many in this topic say they are not racist as they object to the men's religion, not their race. Yet you and others keep referring to them as Pakistani! They are not; they are British.

I made a response to a specific comment by another member who said they could not be British because they are not 'of the same religion.'.

Was he trying to deflect the issue?

Was his post off topic?

You know where the report button is.

[jacky54]

I repeat; I am not trying to deflect from nor belittle the horrendous crimes of these men in Rochdale!!!

That you make such an accusation only shows how closed your mind is. As does your assumption that because I am not Islamaphobic and blaming all Muslims for the horrendous crimes of a small minority that I must be a Muslim myself or married to one; your wrong on that, by the way.

I have already provided a link to Muslims speaking out against this abuse; perhaps you can provide one to Catholics demonstrating in the streets against the abuse of children carried out by many Catholic priests?

I think almost everyone posting on this thread disagrees with you, you constantly try to play down 1400 children being tortured and raped by Muslims in Rochdale with pathetic finger pointing to catholic priests and pretending people on here are blaming all Muslims. I am not blaming all Muslims I am blaming Islam and the example that they follow in the life of Mohhamad (the perfect man) who raped slaves and who married a six year old and then had sex with her when she was 9. The koran and hadith are just littered with passages denigrating women as being worth half a man, permitting wife beating, the rape of slaves and even child abuse. This is what conditioned these men in Rochdale to do what they did. Wake up!

[jacky54]

Another victim of 54 Muslim paedophiles in Rotherham, will anything be done to stop this?

• Emma Jackson, 25, was raped by a man called Tarik, 24, when she was 13
• By 15, she'd been sexually assaulted by 54 more of his male acquaintances

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738170/The-abuse-STILL-going-s-worse-SUE-REID-broke-story-sex-gangs-preying-young-white-girls-This-week-one-victim-took-round-Rotherham-pointed-attackers-swaggering-street.html

Edited August 30, 2014 by jacky54

[7by7]

Some posts have appeared about fighting for the UK's freedom.

I have already mentioned L/Cpl Jabron Hashmi; a British Muslim soldier killed in Afghanistan in 2006.

In both world wars, members of the Indian Army fought and died for Britain; approximately one third of them were Muslim. All of them were volunteers.

Near to where I live there is the remains of a Muslim cemetery where the bodies of Muslim soldiers killed on the Western front in the Great War were buried. The bodies were removed and returned to India in the 1020s, but the cemetery remains as a reminder of their sacrifice.

[jacky54]

Another laughably off topic post. Really 7x7 you are looking rather desperate if this is the best you can come up with. Again the thread is about the rape and torture by Muslims in Rochdale, and not Muslims who served in the army and cemeteries,

[7by7]

I am an atheist , I dont feel anymore threatened by a mosque then I do by a church or a synagogue , radical Islamists get their fix these days from the Internet not from the local Imam.

You sure do spend a lot of time excusing and making justifications for radical Islam on all different threads and you are not the only one. It is difficult to figure out what the real motivation is of posters that only seem to see their side of the story.

No one here is excusing or justifying radical Islam, Islamic terrorists, child abuse by Muslims etc..

The motivation of those, like myself, who defend ordinary law abiding Muslims is to try and educate the ignorant, racist, Islamaphobic haters that the terrorists, murderers etc. who use Islam as their excuse do not represent the vast majority of Muslims.

To try and show that the vile men who committed these terrible crimes against children did so because they are evil, perverted men; not because they are Muslim.

But the haters on this forum are not interested in these facts; they are only interested in spreading their hate.

Fortunately, whilst the easily led, such as the average EDL supporter, may fall for this propaganda, the vast majority of the British public, whatever their religion or ethnic background, are far too intelligent to do so.

They are able to separate the wheat from the chaff; condemn the evil, yet defend the innocent.

That you cannot see the difference between the two is a comment on you; not others.

[7by7]

Another laughably off topic post. Really 7x7 you are looking rather desperate if this is the best you can come up with. Again the thread is about the rape and torture by Muslims in Rochdale, and not Muslims who served in the army and cemeteries,

Why no similar comment from you directed at those who raised the subject of fighting for Britianin the first place?

Because they are as Islamaphobic as yourself?

[7by7]

I repeat; I am not trying to deflect from nor belittle the horrendous crimes of these men in Rochdale!!!

That you make such an accusation only shows how closed your mind is. As does your assumption that because I am not Islamaphobic and blaming all Muslims for the horrendous crimes of a small minority that I must be a Muslim myself or married to one; your wrong on that, by the way.

I have already provided a link to Muslims speaking out against this abuse; perhaps you can provide one to Catholics demonstrating in the streets against the abuse of children carried out by many Catholic priests?

I think almost everyone posting on this thread disagrees with you, you constantly try to play down 1400 children being tortured and raped by Muslims in Rochdale with pathetic finger pointing to catholic priests and pretending people on here are blaming all Muslims. I am not blaming all Muslims I am blaming Islam and the example that they follow in the life of Mohhamad (the perfect man) who raped slaves and who married a six year old and then had sex with her when she was 9. The koran and hadith are just littered with passages denigrating women as being worth half a man, permitting wife beating, the rape of slaves and even child abuse. This is what conditioned these men in Rochdale to do what they did. Wake up!

I do not, and have not and never will 'play down' this horrendous crime! That you constantly accuse me of doing so only shows the paucity of your own argument.

BTW, you should read the Bible and history of the early Christian church. Some pretty horrendous passages there about the treatment of women, children and slaves!

Unfortunately, your mind is closed with hate and ignorance..

Fortunately, the vast majority of the British public, most of whom are white non Muslims, don't agree with you.

I feel in desperate need of fresh air; so am leaving this cess pit of hate for a while.

Edited August 30, 2014 by 7by7

[jacky54]

Another laughably off topic post. Really 7x7 you are looking rather desperate if this is the best you can come up with. Again the thread is about the rape and torture by Muslims in Rochdale, and not Muslims who served in the army and cemeteries,

Why no similar comment from you directed at those who raised the subject of fighting for Britianin the first place?

Because they are as Islamaphobic as yourself?

Er you forgot to mention a very few Muslims who won a Nobel prize, surely that negates the evil of 1400 tortured and raped children by Muslims in Rochdale! islamaphobic is not something to be ashamed of it's just common sense, fear of Islam seems very rational as it's a religion dedicated to our overthrow.

Edited August 30, 2014 by jacky54

[7by7]

I HAVE NEVER MADE ANY EXCUSE FOR THIS HORRENDOUS CRIME NOR TRIED TO NEGATE OR JUSTIFY IT!!!

Nice big letters for you; have you got it now?

[jacky54]

I feel in desperate need of fresh air; so am leaving this cess pit of hate for a while.

No arguments left so run off, no argument with that. You seem obsessed with thinking that disagreement equals hate, but then every decent minded person should hate the rape and torture of 1400 children by anyone. In this case, as with so many others cases of gang rape, it was Muslim Pakistanis. If you cannot come to terms with the fact that these criminals were inspired by Islam then perhaps you should study Islamic texts and see for yourself.

[jacky54]

Forgot about this one,sorry I mis read, i thought Rotherham but this is Rochdale so it might be off topic, same crime by the same people though in the same County

Rochdale grooming gang leader gets 22 years for child rape

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/aug/02/rochdale-grooming-leader-child-rape

Edited August 30, 2014 by jacky54

[thaibeachlovers]

Not only have authorities dropped the ball big time, for an extended period of time, ....if there's litigation, then the kids will have to re-live the horrible life-shattering events by being prosecution witnesses. Heck, they may even have to confront the adults in a courtroom. It's like an emotional double whammy for the kids.

Even with its faults, the western system of prosecution is waaaaaay better than an Islamic one, where a raped female has all sorts of barriers against even mentioning the rape. For starters, she needs 6 male witnesses to swear the rape took place. Just five men, forget it. No case.

From when I was in Saudi it is 4 witnesses, and I don't know that they need to be male.

Whatever, I'm not excusing it, as it is a travesty of justice and a system designed to subjugate women. Pity is that many Saudi women are willing accomplices in their subjugation.

[joecoolfrog]

Do you guys realise that this report relates to past events and in the intervening time none of your doom laden predictions have come true. The EDF have not seen a huge groundswell of support , there has not been endless race riots and blood on the streets , talk of impending civil war is simply delusional.

I am an atheist , I dont feel anymore threatened by a mosque then I do by a church or a synagogue , radical Islamists get their fix these days from the Internet not from the local Imam.

There is no question that some Muslims have not integrated , that a minority have been radicalised and that criminal gangs have taken advantage of the left wing refusal to condemn minority wrong doing. However the climate has changed , UKIP has put pressure on the Conservatives and even Labour have admited that they took Multiculturalism too far.

The fact is that race is being discussed more openly now than for decades , its no longer a taboo subject.

These Pakistani rapists are scum and the radicalisation of young Muslims is a definite concern but some of the comments on this thread are just ignorant rants , lets have some perspective for goodness sake.

[Ulysses G.]

Any reason that you have repeated the exact same post as a little earlier in the thread?

[mrtoad]

Muslim apologists around today

[Thongkorn]

I live near Rotherham this is nothing to do with religion , its about abuse of young girls, covered up by Both Asian and white people, Pakistani and English.

[7by7]

Any reason that you have repeated the exact same post as a little earlier in the thread?

You're the expert at that; why do you do it?

[Ulysses G.]

There you go telling porkies again.

Edited August 30, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[jacky54]

I live near Rotherham this is nothing to do with religion , its about abuse of young girls, covered up by Both Asian and white people, Pakistani and English.

what religion are all the abusers? what religion denigrates women and has the ok for sex with slaves the rape of unbelievers and child sex? The founder of which religion raped a nine year old? not difficult is it, but easy to pretend not to know.

Edited August 30, 2014 by jacky54