Southern police chief: Enough evidence in British tourists' murder case to make arrest now

[aTomsLife]

Oh and not to mention, that sean guy was charged with possessing child porn last year, so he's basically a pedophile.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-scot-who-fled-thai-4306609

If on a cloudy day you're being robbed at gunpoint and the assailant says he thinks it's going to rain, does his character factor into the likelihood that his statement is true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem Abusive[edit]

Abusive ad hominem usually involves attacking the traits of an opponent as a means to invalidate their arguments. Equating someone's character with the soundness of their argument is a logical fallacy. Mere verbal abuse in the absence of an argument, however, is not ad hominem nor any kind of logical fallacy.^[12]

Ad hominem abuse is not to be confused with slander or libel, which employ falsehoods and are not necessarily leveled to undermine otherwise sound stands with character attacks.

It's awful the guy is a convicted sex offender, but ultimately it has nothing to do with the validity of his story concerning the murders.

[NextStationBangkok]

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webfact, on 16 Sept 2014 - 08:55, said:

CRIME
Koh Tao 'sealed off' after two tourists brutally killed
THE NATION, AFP



Gruesome murders of British pair on island paradise shock locals and visitors

BANGKOK: -- POLICE have sealed off the resort island of Koh Tao off Surat Thani province to hunt down killers who brutally murdered a British couple and possibly raped the woman on Sunday night. The 24-year-old victims have been identified as Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

Full story: http://www.thaivisa....itish-tourists/

this person in the black t shirt looks the same person put on the facebook pages and another newspaper we cant quote . this is dated 16 sept 14

StealthEnergiser You are correct!

Thailand was not at all serious about arresting any Thai citizens connected to this. It was the brave heart "Sean McAnna" who posted the Facebook 7-11 shop picture while hiding in the shop for this life gave a proper message and attention to the world. Now Thailand is forced to take action on own citizens now. The next step will be, they will appoint a lousy Thai lawyer who don't show any interest to convict or prove, and accused will deny going for DNA test. Then later they will announce there is not enough evidence to prove until and unless of Scotland Yoad, or FBI rope in for investigation or until if most countries give warning as Thailand bad destination for holidays. Let us hope the two young British youths will justice from Thailand.

Edited September 23, 2014 by NextStationBangkok

[Lukecan]

if it was not the mafia,

maybee they were now " cooperating " to find the culptries,

as it would not tuch there business in KT and Samui;

Would someone kindly translate this drivel into readable and understandable English ?

He's basically saying the murderer is not a person with connections, so they'll make an arrest.

[Triplebank999]

Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen, commissioner of the Eighth Region Police Command, said the police have now detained all the suspects for questioning, and now have gained evidences of who are the murderer or murderers.

There is more than one, he said, and expressed confidence they will be arrested and charged within this week, he added.

Two mutually exclusive statements.

Well done!

Well done! Ever heard of inadvertent translation inconsistencies?

[mango66]

That sean guy was full of BS, the expats living in koh tao said the information he gave is not factual and that he is a glory hunter. Bunch of guys who've never been to koh tao believe what he's saying. From his posts I can see he doesn't give a damn about his friends murder, 9 out 10 of his posts after the murder are about the scottish referendum.

There has to be a motive for murder, usually people who murder and rape are ones who got nothing to lose, why would someone who has a thriving business on the island murder and rape a girl. That sean guy should be put behind bars for slander IMHO.

are you an employee in ACB or of the village Pu Yai ??

or the murders mate ?ß

[Mackie]

The news is certainly great. I hope the suspect who is hiding in Bangkok is caught before he leaves the country. Anyway I still believe there are more than two people involved. It would have taken at least two Asian guys to overcome David and at the same time someone had to keep an eye on Hannah unless she was completely paralyzed by fear or whatever.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Mackie

[BlackJack]

There is a Thai way of doing things

and so congrats to the BIB

Now let the PP do its job

Condolences to the families of the victims

no parents should ever be put through this ordeal

be strong as theres a ways to go yet

[brd]

Take your times Police not ours.

we know it is a small island and well connected together community the Police knows them all individually.Not a new case as similar murders occurred in the past in many islands.

The first advice is foreigners do not mingle with the locals,do not get drunk in bars or accept drugs,do not let any girlfriend or woman feeling she is safe on her own at any times day and night especially if being wearing inappropriate clothing not differentiating going for a swim or going to beat the roads, be careful when riding motorbikes or driving jeeps locals are thinking they own the island and they are Big caids having no masters.

Second enjoy the paradise feelings very carefully thinking of all under the tropics real dangers included jelly fishes, cobras snakes and mad people exist.

It is an horrific drama, how can it be never ever repeated.

Only surprise we all can be the CCTV's are working doing part of a useful job ( many more with lighting should be installed ) as anyone could see the primary suspect was a local Thai, watching him in panic run, using our honest eyes.

So sad and not a first.

Edited September 23, 2014 by brd

[umbanda]

Thai Police is Thai people......talk too much

Thai criminals are Thai people....they will talk..sooner or later.

Edited September 23, 2014 by umbanda

[laolover88]

Well. It is tea time. We are waiting to be astonished or grateful

[Sueemily]

To mikephuket1970

I'm sorry to say but a lot of what has been posted on this forum is true .No one is Thai bashing,Thailand is a beautiful place which is what attracted my daughter there in the first place.

Yes many murders go unsolved in the uk,but the UK police don't issue false statements,don't claim that an arrest will take place in the next week, and don't try to pin the murder on some one very low down the social scale.

Have you ever had to deal with the Thai authorities,to say they are difficult is an understatement.

If you aske questions that they can't or won't answer then they go off on a different tangent completely.

Without the pressure from the media then this case would probably either not been solved or pinned on a nobody,preferably not a Thai.

Believe me I know .....

[mrtoad]

More importantly how will this effect tourism??????

Well, ask yourself... "Will you be going to Koh Tao in the near future?"

Absolutely not, and I would like to see a mass boycott of said Island.

The only way for scum to really get the message is to hit them were it hurts, and in this case that's in the pocket. This has been a disgusting cover up form the very first minute that the victims were discovered.

Errrr ... do you suppose that some innocents might suffer in the economic holocaust or is everyone on the island guilty by association (including the farangs?)?

Those islands unfortunately are lawless and need a good clean up. Plenty of other places in Thailand that don't have that vibe.

[almafudd]

Thai Police investigating the murders of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the island of Koh Tao announced a breakthrough in there murder hunt today today as they held three Thai football players in custody on the island. Makes me feel dizzy all this and hard to keep up because the police can't do a job right ... Revealed: Scot who fled Thai gangsters over link to murder of backpackers has child porn conviction Read More About That Here : http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-scot-who-fled-thai-4306609

How is child porn relevant to this case? Typical English newspaper trashing someones life.

[Triplebank999]

He also disclosed that the two suspects who are speed boat employees have been cleared after DNA testing did not match those found at the scene and in the body of one British victims.

So polite to mention about the DNA found in the body of one of the British victims. She was raped, people know this but there is no need to say it in such a disgusting way!

If it was so disgusting why did you repeat it, twice?

[Carrerakiss]

Looks like a few of us may eat humble pie (like me)

looks like the police may have found the correct murderers / not stitched anybody up etc

For that i apologise for doubting them and hope this is the future now

There was no choice, the international spotlight was just too bright for it to be brushed under the carpet or ignored.

Strange though, I thought no Thai would commit such a terrible crime. Is the village headman a farang? It's a rhetorical question wrapped in sarcasm........ok?

[Sueemily]

Sorry I think my last post should have gone to davidcc,my apologies to mikephuket1970

[Banzai99]

Looks like a few of us may eat humble pie (like me)

looks like the police may have found the correct murderers / not stitched anybody up etc

For that i apologise for doubting them and hope this is the future now

"Fred Flinstone"

"Pluto" and few others who will not graduating from the TV school of armchair dectectives...

Be fair, they are both cartoon characters.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Banzai99

[Lukecan]

That sean guy was full of BS, the expats living in koh tao said the information he gave is not factual and that he is a glory hunter. Bunch of guys who've never been to koh tao believe what he's saying. From his posts I can see he doesn't give a damn about his friends murder, 9 out 10 of his posts after the murder are about the scottish referendum.

There has to be a motive for murder, usually people who murder and rape are ones who got nothing to lose, why would someone who has a thriving business on the island murder and rape a girl. That sean guy should be put behind bars for slander IMHO.

are you an employee in ACB or of the village Pu Yai ??

or the murders mate ?ß

Lets imagine I was an employee of AC BAR getting paid 30-40k baht a month at most Do you think its a good incentive to help cover up a murder? I'm just a rational person, I know from my self, that a person who has so much to lose won't commit such a crime. These indecent crimes are usually committed by people who have nothing to lose. O.J simpson was an exception.

[almafudd]

In Australia we had a famous QLD politician, who has since passed away, who used to describe media briefings as "feeding the "chooks" Oz slang for chickens.

This so reminds me of old Joe, throw a few crumbs and they will be back again tomorrow for more.

And Joe was as corrupt ... well as corrupt as Thailand lol

[Smurkster]

in English we have 24 consonants and 12 vowels.

Why not tell your BS to the mother of Kirsty Jones and many others ?

Only the immense public,media and internet pressure this time force the police to go in the right direction.

So dream on and live with your illusions

ummmmm, since when does the English language have "12 vowels" or 24 consonants for that matter

Edited September 23, 2014 by Smurkster

[laolover88]

Close down, clean up, Remove all people without Chanoot. Is there Chanoot on Koh Tao? Remove all buildings and businesses encroaching on the Angthong Marine Park, inland or on beaches. Start again. It's an army is it not? Can do it in Phuket can do it there. And Koh Phangan and Samui next. That is a workload. But why not? If Thailand belongs to the Thai people why should whole bunches of people with stuffed wallets be able to steal it?

[evadgib]

I can feel a four letter word coming on:

"B-A-I-L !"

(Would anyone be surprised?)

Edited September 23, 2014 by evadgib

[mike324]

The suspect Montriiwat Toovichien who is the brother of the village chief was interrogated and released after his DNA was collected. For all we know he could have fled by now. He was the one who intimidated Sean McAnna. I have a feeling this suspect will be another no match, and he will not be arrested for making threats and intimidation.

What I don't understand is if Sean was a friend of David Miller, why would he still be out drinking and especially be at the AC bar where both victims were at the night of their death, and where they reportedly (not verified) had an altercation.

[sabaii69]

Seems to be no shortage of 'mafias'. Jet ski, car rent, bar, motorbike, even noodle shop mafias. I belong to the local coffee drinker mafia. burp

[Iumentum]

That sean guy was full of BS, the expats living in koh tao said the information he gave is not factual and that he is a glory hunter. Bunch of guys who've never been to koh tao believe what he's saying. From his posts I can see he doesn't give a damn about his friends murder, 9 out 10 of his posts after the murder are about the scottish referendum.

There has to be a motive for murder, usually people who murder and rape are ones who got nothing to lose, why would someone who has a thriving business on the island murder and rape a girl. That sean guy should be put behind bars for slander IMHO.

are you an employee in ACB or of the village Pu Yai ??

or the murders mate ?ß

Lets imagine I was an employee of AC BAR getting paid 30-40k baht a month at most Do you think its a good incentive to help cover up a murder? I'm just a rational person, I know from my self, that a person who has so much to lose won't commit such a crime. These indecent crimes are usually committed by people who have nothing to lose. O.J simpson was an exception.

Lets imagine that you was an employee of AC Bar and the owner is a powerful man with a lot of influence, in other words mafia, and you were asked to do something, what would you do?

[BradWilkins]

With a lot of absolutely horrific crimes in thailand you find the drug yabaa is involved. It makes people go completely nuts.and they loose their grasp of reality. Which of course is still no excuse for committing such a heinous act.

[Oziex1]

I'll congratulate the RTP for solving cases, when they do it with out hesitation, without rifle carrying soldiers accompanying them when they consistently arrest guilty members of the ruling classes and without demands from the government. When it is known they no longer own Mercedes, bars, shares in resorts. The weight of history is against them, respect will be given when the truly earn it and that is still many cases and years away I fear.

[MediaWatcher]

khunpa, on 23 Sept 2014 - 15:17, said:

Seems like he is buying more time for so called discussions. If they had enough evidence and knew who the killers were, they would have arrested them by now. Also it is very strange that they have detained suspects, but have yet to arrest the guilty ones. Any normal police would make arrests, if they knew who it was. You do not let killers walk around free, if you know who they are and at the same time state that you have detained other suspects. Seriously, how stupid a statement is that?

Maybe they have a few burmese workers detained who are by now at the breaking point and ready to confess to anything. So a couple of days more and the case will be "solved".

Great police work and you have to admire their straightforward and very controlled information system. Police forces from around the world could learn a lot from this (NOT!)

Let's not forget a couple of years ago the red bull heir killed a cop, still hasn't been to trial, and as we know.....never will.

[Rykbanlor]

Sorry I think my last post should have gone to davidcc,my apologies to mikephuket1970

I also felt forced to comment on DavidCCs post - The Thai Police have a well earned reputation of sorts.

[empireboy]

Interesting comment, there is no arrest of a scapegoat as this case now has the attention of the world.... so if it didn't have the world's attention a scapegoat would be ok??