US Ebola patient Thomas Duncan dies in hospital

[JDGRUEN]

The likelihood of ebola mutating into an airborne strain is much less than the risk of a flu virus or coronavirus (SARS, MERS) mutating into something with a much higher mortality rate. There are scientists that worry about that on an ongoing basis, so having scientists worrying about ebola mutating - is not a surprise.

The symptoms of ebola are something out of nightmares many people have (visually) which is probably why people are more likely to panic than with the others.

This type of mutation is not likely, not any time soon anyway. Ebola will have existed in one form or another for millennia, most likely undetected in animals which it doesn't kill, like bats.

Bats are the usual culprit for the most deadly viruses known to man : Ebola, Rabies, Marburg and SARS are all linked to bats which seem to be able to handle the virus and live with it, bats appear to be the natural reservoir for Ebola.

In all of medical history to date there has never been a virus which has changed the way it's transmitted that we know of while we've known about it. I suspect changes like this would take many rare and successful mutations over tens of thousands of years so they will happen as everything changes over huge periods of time.

We're talking about massive evolutionary changes over a similarly massive timescale. Not a tiny mutation between one person and another - to think that this could happen in a few years is laughable.

I suggest you read this information at this web link ... "ebola virus mutating rapidly as it spreads"

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus-mutating-rapidly-as-it-spreads-1.15777

[bkkcanuck8]

That's a good question because this year there is no difference in 'the flu shot'. The content of the vaccine (flu shots) for the 2014/2015 flu season is identical to the 2013/2014 flu season vaccine which many people had last year.

The WHO made this decision back in February. This is not not normally the case but it is this year and there's no change to the vaccine.

Draw your own conclusions as to why you 'need' the same shot this year as last year.

A small change in a virus can happen all the time and like I said we have never observed any virus change it's method of infection, not since we've been looking at viruses (some 100 years) - this is because such a change would require an evolutionary jump which is lots and lots of subsequent mutations over time.

50% of the vaccines are quadrivalent which I believe is a change from last year.

A small change (even a bit more than small) and the same vaccine will have some positive effects - 100% match is not required.

I suspect the message would get confusing if they said sometimes yes, sometimes no. Maybe yes, maybe no.... besides an antibody booster cannot hurt.

[bkkcanuck8]

I suggest you read this information at this web link ... "ebola virus mutating rapidly as it spreads"

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus-mutating-rapidly-as-it-spreads-1.15777

Not that much of a surprise, how many generations/offspring of the virus has occurred since the original.

Sort of like the mutations that occur in human y-DNA (mtDNA mutates much slower) as we have offspring.... How many differences occur 12 generations? There are many many more than 12 generations of the virus right now. Everytime a new generation is born, there is a chance of mutation.

For the right combination to occur for it to become airborne is like hitting the lottery (which is not won very often).

[MJP]

Ebola serum for Africa patients within weeks, says WHO

Serum made from the blood of recovered Ebola patients could be available within weeks in Liberia, one of the countries worst hit by the virus, says the World Health Organization.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29707393

[Choctastic]

 

...expect the number of "suspected" cases to rise during flu season as people panic..... (flu season usually kills between 3,000 and 49,000 people annually in the US).

Flu season might see this many deaths but they are nothing to do with actual influenza. 90% or more of the deaths are due to pneumonia and other causes.

Some facts...

'The flu vaccine is no more effective for children under 2 than a placebo, according to a large-scale, systematic review of 51 studies, published in the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews.'

According to the CDC...

'In some years when vaccine and circulating strains were not well-matched, no vaccine effectiveness can be demonstrated in some studies, even in healthy adults. It is not possible in advance of the influenza season to predict how well the vaccine and circulating strains will be matched, and how that match may affect the degree of vaccine effectiveness.'

'Research published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine also confirms that there has been no decrease in deaths from influenza and pneumonia, despite the fact that vaccination coverage among the elderly has increased from 15 percent in 1980 to 65 percent now.'

There's more but you get the idea.

[bkkcanuck8]

Flu season might see this many deaths but they are nothing to do with actual influenza. 90% or more of the deaths are due to pneumonia and other causes.

That is like arguing someone that was shot with a gun -- and bled out 15 minutes later... was not killed by a gunshot wound but by bleeding.

Pneumonia is often a complication brought on by the flu virus... so if they came down with the flu and the pneumonia was brought on because of the flu.... the cause of death is rightly caused by the flu virus.

[Choctastic]

Pneumonia is often a complication brought on by the flu virus... so if they came down with the flu and the pneumonia was brought on because of the flu.... the cause of death is rightly caused by the flu virus.

Rightly?

'Pneumonia, according to the American Lung Association, has more than 30 different causes, influenza being but one of them. The CDC itself acknowledges the slim relationship, saying 'only a small proportion of deaths... only 8.5 per cent of all pneumonia and influenza deaths [are] influenza-related.'

[JDGRUEN]

In Texas - my home state I used saline nasal sprays and colostrum as preventatives from catching colds and the Flu. I make no claims except for myself... But over 15 years I have had few seasonal colds and did not catch the Flu even once My work took me into many businesses filled with people sneezing and coughing so I thought to try something that I could easily use. I studied Colostrum as an immune booster and the saline nasal spray to keep my nasal passages moist and on the theory that the sodium chloride has some effect in killing the virus. I have also taken many other natural supplements along with vitamins ... I believe my last flu immunization was at least 20 years ago.

Many people in the U.S. use TAMIFLU (oseltamivir phosphate) to treat flu symptoms and nasal sprays containing zinc as a preventative. for colds and flu...

[ukrules]

Now there's a probable case in New York, a Doctor who returned 9 or 10 days ago is showing symptoms : http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/23/us-health-ebola-newyork-idUSKCN0IC2CU20141023

Edit : Now confirmed from several sources apparently, one of which is : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29751495?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Edited October 24, 2014 by ukrules

[Mosha]

Now there's a probable case in New York, a Doctor who returned 9 or 10 days ago is showing symptoms : http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/23/us-health-ebola-newyork-idUSKCN0IC2CU20141023

Edit : Now confirmed from several sources apparently, one of which is : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29751495?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

He was out socialising hours before he fell ill

[Ulysses G.]

There needs to be bans on visas for foreigners coming from the Hot Zone and returning Americans should be quarantined in a hospital for 21 days until they are definitely disease free.

[ukrules]

Now there's a probable case in New York, a Doctor who returned 9 or 10 days ago is showing symptoms : http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/23/us-health-ebola-newyork-idUSKCN0IC2CU20141023

Edit : Now confirmed from several sources apparently, one of which is : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29751495?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

He was out socialising hours before he fell ill

Yes, apparently he went bowling last night, has been on the subway and took an uber cab. His girlfriend has also been quarantined as a precaution.

[ukrules]

There needs to be bans on visas for foreigners coming from the Hot Zone and returning Americans should be quarantined in a hospital for 21 days until they are definitely disease free.

He also flew via Brussels, same as the other guy.

[JDGRUEN]

WHO REPORTS ....

The doctor in New York joins at least 240 (August numbers) of Ebola Aid workers who have contracted Ebola with 120 of them dead. Bless them all for their dedication and bravery.

However, it has become more than apparent that with this particularly virulent Ebola epidemic having spread into West African urban areas - aid workers returning to their home country must be quarantined for at least 21 days and I suggest a bit longer. What makes matters worse is that WHO has published information that indicates that Ebola can in a very small percentage of cases take up to 42 days to appear. This is one reason WHO uses 42 days as a period of time that needs to pass since the last case in an area can be declared Ebola free.

Unprecedented number of medical staff infected with Ebola

Situation assessment - 25 August 2014

To date, more than 240 health care workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/25-august-2014/en/

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How does WHO declare the end of an Ebola outbreak?

According to WHO recommendations, health care workers who have attended patients or cleaned their rooms should be considered as “close contacts” and monitored for 21 days after the last exposure, even if their contact with a patient occurred when they were fully protected by wearing personal protective equipment.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/14-october-2014/en/

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If any other Forum members wish to have a very good understanding of some critical aspects of Ebola outbreaks, the Ebola patient and the Ebola virus - reading the WHO Reports is essential - basically required reading. Some really sobering words and sentences can be found in these articles.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/en/

[Choctastic]

If any other Forum members wish to have a very good understanding of some critical aspects of Ebola outbreaks, the Ebola patient and the Ebola virus - reading the WHO Reports is essential - basically required reading. Some really sobering words and sentences can be found in these articles.

The WHO was a significant player in the H1N1 'pandemic' fraud. Why would I trust anything they write?

[attrayant]

Because without the WHO all you've got left are "Doctor" Phil, Mercola and Alex Jones. Besides, "significant player in the H1N1 pandemic fraud" is quite a stretch considering what really happened.

[JDGRUEN]

If any other Forum members wish to have a very good understanding of some critical aspects of Ebola outbreaks, the Ebola patient and the Ebola virus - reading the WHO Reports is essential - basically required reading. Some really sobering words and sentences can be found in these articles.

The WHO was a significant player in the H1N1 'pandemic' fraud. Why would I trust anything they write?

Well -- you don't have to ... it is a free world to believe anything you want.

[Chicog]

New York officials said Dr Spencer had travelled on the subway and gone out jogging before he started feeling unwell.

[Scott]

Several off-topic posts have been removed. There are numerous other threads about Ebola and this one seems to be going astray.

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