UK cops 'to only observe'

[crazykopite]

The PM should not even been invited to attend he is unelected Thailand is under martial law

[rethaier]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

The UK would never have a problem with a 3rd party assessment of the evidence and independent verification of forensic evidence. Nor would Thailand if there was nothing to hide and all was above board. And who used the word "surrender". get real.

[rethaier]

*Edited*

What he should be doing is shirt fronting him in front of the world by upping travel warnings to Thailand and forcing insurance premiums up so people won't travel there until the British people get satisfactory answers and assurances that the investigation is above board and free of interference .

Edited once again

until the TV conspiracy brigade British people get satisfactory the answers they like to hear.

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

B$L%S41T. You are out of touch with reality. This is not about Thailand being wrong this is about a cover up of the real killers.

[doublephil]

There are plenty of Thai politicians who have the money - and the influence - to quite easily get hold of the evidence that shows the real truth in this matter - and could use the "power' of that information in any way they want - but the best way would be to show the Thai people and the world the truth - which would boost their own political image tremendously in Thailand and the rest of the world - just a thought not an expectation

[NongKhaiKid]

*Edited*

What he should be doing is shirt fronting him in front of the world by upping travel warnings to Thailand and forcing insurance premiums up so people won't travel there until the British people get satisfactory answers and assurances that the investigation is above board and free of interference .

Edited once again

until the TV conspiracy brigade British people get satisfactory the answers they like to hear.

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

A clear cut case ?

Well if it is the BIB have gone out of their way to make it look anything but and that's ' exemplary professionalism ',

[Thaddeus]

*Edited*

What he should be doing is shirt fronting him in front of the world by upping travel warnings to Thailand and forcing insurance premiums up so people won't travel there until the British people get satisfactory answers and assurances that the investigation is above board and free of interference .

Edited once again

until the TV conspiracy brigade British people get satisfactory the answers they like to hear.

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

Please, take a couple of Imodium.

[Oziex1]

Cameron could save the British taxpayer a lot of money if he gets rid of the staff in his press office as they are not needed, he's got the Thai PM to speak for him.

This arrogance and breach of diplomatic protocol really needs to be shot down. I know Thais don't care what foreigners think about them and adverse comments would not be published here but there's always more than one way.

The Thai government needs to be called on their unauthorised comments in no uncertain manner and, for example, a travel advisory which goes beyond the usual notice of martial law etc but actually warns travellers their diplomatic representatives may not be able to help them because of restrictions and so on from the ' host ' government.

This would be passed on to the EU and picked up by other countries who may just follow suit. Nothing will scare LoS more than the loss of tourist revenue.

I think it is all a ploy to win over the Thai people. My wife says the whole world loves the general. I told her that it is not true and she is sucking up the propaganda. He is treating the Thai's like mushrooms.

"He is treating the Thai's like mushrooms."

Like every other leader yeah.

[JohnThailandJohn]

He also told reporters that Cameron expected the British public to "take some more time to understand this matter".

How about "it will take some time before Thai authorities understands that this will not go away and the UK is watching and ............. judging"

Actually this will go away regardless of the outcome and big deal the UK is watching (a lot less than you think), looks like Thailand invited them to come watch. While this is a big thing to some it really is not to most. There has been around 40,000 murders around the globe since these occurred. People's memories are short as is the press.How many people are still glued to the missing Malaysian Airline news and the 250 people missing on it?

As for tourism, this will not have any measurable impact and actually will probably increase tourism to Koh Tao in the coming years as it put it on the map and made people aware of it who otherwise might not have.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[NanLaew]

.... My wife says the whole world loves the general. ...

I'd say your wife just LOVES pushing your buttons.

[dogleg]

I'd like to have the British Police 'Observing' the results of a few polygraph Lie- Detectors in Koh Tao.

[hobz]

I bet he was in the dark about the dna evidence etc.. And now he knows that if the uk are allowed to investigate the whole corruption/mafia shit will unravel..and he chose to protect them... I dont know what kind of man this really is .. i mean behind the cameras and everything.. i dont know what kind of pressure he is under etc... but one thing is for sure,, he knows that he is now protecting the mafia ... so he is corrupt. sorry.

[JohnThailandJohn]

*Edited*

What he should be doing is shirt fronting him in front of the world by upping travel warnings to Thailand and forcing insurance premiums up so people won't travel there until the British people get satisfactory answers and assurances that the investigation is above board and free of interference .

Edited once again

until the TV conspiracy brigade British people get satisfactory the answers they like to hear.

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

B$L%S41T. You are out of touch with reality. This is not about Thailand being wrong this is about a cover up of the real killers.

Was somebody else seen by numerous people near the murder scene at the time as well as captured on video who confessed to the crime and whose DNA matched and who had a victim's belonging located at their residence?

And I never said it was about Thailand ... but clearly to some posters it is about their need and desire to see Thailand look bad. You only need to read their posts to see this.

Edited October 19, 2014 by JohnThailandJohn

[hobz]

I'd like to have the British Police 'Observing' the results of a few polygraph Lie- Detectors in Koh Tao.

I bet they couldn't find a baseline of truth anywhere ... so it would be all for nothing

[jpeg]

.... My wife says the whole world loves the general. ...

I'd say your wife just LOVES pushing your buttons.

Doubt it. I hear the same garbage from a friend's wife. Jaw dropping. I couldn't be in the same room with, let alone marry someone as ignorant as she. Still, does the cooking and cleaning

[sweatalot]

*Edited*

What he should be doing is shirt fronting him in front of the world by upping travel warnings to Thailand and forcing insurance premiums up so people won't travel there until the British people get satisfactory answers and assurances that the investigation is above board and free of interference .

Edited once again

until the TV conspiracy brigade British people get satisfactory the answers they like to hear.

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

B$L%S41T. You are out of touch with reality. This is not about Thailand being wrong this is about a cover up of the real killers.

Which means Thailand IS wrong

[stephen terry]

Do you believe everything politicians say? Of course both PMs will put their spin on what's going to happen or not - that's normal. The fact that the British police have been invited is a first step. They will be given their objectives, and will report back to the Embassy, who will raise issues found, diplomatically.

i could go on ad infinitum, but what the man in street thinks is probably not the case within diplomatic circles.

[robblok]

I said it in the other topic wait and see.. all the English were patting themselves on the chest while i said wait and see its not going to happen.

Guess i was right they were blinded by patriotism and forgot how it worked in Thailand, plus like others have said no country in the world wold let other countries do law enforcement on their turf. Observers no more. That is it.

[Neeranam]

I hope, for the British cops sake, that they will be allowed to carry weapons.

[jomcondo]

He also told reporters that Cameron expected the British public to "take some more time to understand this matter".

How about "it will take some time before Thai authorities understands that this will not go away and the UK is watching and ............. judging"

Actually this will go away regardless of the outcome and big deal the UK is watching (a lot less than you think), looks like Thailand invited them to come watch. While this is a big thing to some it really is not to most. There has been around 40,000 murders around the globe since these occurred. People's memories are short as is the press.How many people are still glued to the missing Malaysian Airline news and the 250 people missing on it?

As for tourism, this will not have any measurable impact and actually will probably increase tourism to Koh Tao in the coming years as it put it on the map and made people aware of it who otherwise might not have.

You are one sick individual.

[evadgib]

The only place that British police have jurisdiction is in Britain. They have no legal authority at all in Thailand.

Imagine the hoo haa if a Thai was murdered in the UK and the Thai government expected expected the UK to surrender all legal authority to a couple of visiting members of the RTP.

Where would they excell? Whistles & semaphore dont cut it in the west.

[kannot]

Great , now we know the embassy is involved we can expect a lot of "kow towing" from them, nothing wrong with the Thai justice system.........comes from the man at the top eh???

Oh dear

[phil2]

they'd better stay back home instead of coming here to observe

[hobz]

No matter what is said, they will hear what they want. And what they want is anything they can use or twist to help them handle their feelings of inferiority in Thailand by putting on a false sense of superiority towards in Thailand with more money and power than them actually pretty much anyone in Thailand down to the much more financially challenged Thai who as an example get to pay a couple dollars less to go to places like their own State Parks.

What seems clear in many of these folks posts is that they are not motivated by a desire to see justice for the victims but rather to display and promote an anger towards Thailand and a desire to see Thailand suffer.

It is as a clear cut case they got the right people in this case as it was for the train rapist murderer of the young girl .... initially suspects wrong, over looked the right person, conflicting stories in the press, confession, DNA match, friend's testimony and so on. But didn't see anyone then suggesting sending money to the suspect as I have seen with this case. They don't want to see justice, they want to see Thailand be proved wrong to help themselves feel good.

B$L%S41T. You are out of touch with reality. This is not about Thailand being wrong this is about a cover up of the real killers.

Was somebody else seen by numerous people near the murder scene at the time as well as captured on video who confessed to the crime and whose DNA matched and who had a victim's belonging located at their residence?

And I never said it was about Thailand ... but clearly to some posters it is about their need and desire to see Thailand look bad. You only need to read their posts to see this.

Go to CSI LA on facebook (you may have heard of facebook). Notice how it's 95% thai people there .. and they are many.. and they think the real killers are protected by police and mafia.

[Cake Monster]

The plod from the UK may not be allowed to do anything other than to observe the process of Law in Thailand.

However, the fact that they were even " invited " to place boots on the ground in Thailand, after Prayuths " cordial meeting " with David Cameron, speaks volumes about the whole tragic incident on Koh Tao.

Which ever way the trial of the two suspects goes, this will be a huge loss of face and credability to the Thai Authorities, especially the RTP, and for sure, there will be an air of suspicion hanging over the RTP for many years to come.

If there is one good thing from this, it is the RTP will have the benefit of observing a totally professional, and thorough body of people observing the whole proceedings, and they would be well advised to study, and learn, from these people to prevent such farcical situations as the koh Tao investigation arising in the future.

[hobz]

He also told reporters that Cameron expected the British public to "take some more time to understand this matter".

How about "it will take some time before Thai authorities understands that this will not go away and the UK is watching and ............. judging"

Actually this will go away regardless of the outcome and big deal the UK is watching (a lot less than you think), looks like Thailand invited them to come watch. While this is a big thing to some it really is not to most. There has been around 40,000 murders around the globe since these occurred. People's memories are short as is the press.How many people are still glued to the missing Malaysian Airline news and the 250 people missing on it?

As for tourism, this will not have any measurable impact and actually will probably increase tourism to Koh Tao in the coming years as it put it on the map and made people aware of it who otherwise might not have.

You are one sick individual.

And you add nothing of value. He is right. This will be forgotten. And there's no such thing as bad publicity.. A year from now or sooner people will just remember the name Koh Tao and think "holidayy!!"" Sad but true...

[hobz]

The UK must take DNA samples from the scapegoats parents and compare with their own samples from the victims bodies.. They should be able to do this without PM permission..

[John1thru10]

A few points are out of place:

1. Now he speaks for Cameron. What he says and what the UK press is saying are like, 1000 km apart.

2. Bobbies are here to only observe. UK police are never happy to only observe. They are prolific in their hunting and gathering. They will go nuts just observing.

3. Thai police follow the law. No scapegoats. I seriously doubt that. Not their modus operandi to NOT have scapegoats.

As if Cameron cares about anything other than greed and bombs, anyway.

[marcusd]

I think with the 100,000 signatures on a petition in England, Cameron actually INVOLVED and the REQUEST for the English police to be involved...hmmm... I do not think this one is going to be brushed aside so fast even with THAINESS and a smile.

this case is making HUGE waves in ALL foreign media around the world. It is the catalyst for the many foreigners who have dies here in killings, suffered scams and all that.

Things always come to bite you when you least expect it.

Other nations call for help when they want transparency. i know that England and Australia have welcomed help from the FBI on many cases. that is working together to achieve TRANSPARENT outcomes.

Thailand should look at these examples and to achieve what would be in Thailand's interests have an open exchange of investigative teams working together. Sorting THIS mess out in an open and transparent manor with FOREIGN intervention would sweep under the carpet all the other things now also coming to light and which will, turn tourists away. Many can say Thailand bounces back. I am not so sure it will this time. there are TOO many options previously not available.

thailand needs to bounce back as too many poorer people rely on tourism. Some have said this is Thailand's turf and other countries would not accept Thai officers working looking at other countries investigations.

The fact is, THAILAND does not have a good reputation for FAIR and TRANSPARENT operations in many things. Making THIS case transparent would place international concerns on the back burner and possibly help Thailand bounce back from terrible numbers. Unfortunately cases like this have impacts for many years to come and can affect even business decisions ... watch this space.... this year will not bring the hoards of money carrying foreigners Thailand thinks will come.

[T_Dog]

The UK must take DNA samples from the scapegoats parents and compare with their own samples from the victims bodies.. They should be able to do this without PM permission..

If they have nothing to hide, why not take the samples directly from the suspects? An honest police department would welcome confirmation.

[Neeranam]

Thai police are very dangerous. One example where a Saudi businessman went to Thailand to investigate the theft of a diamond from a Saudi prince. He was murdered.Lt Gen Chalor of the RTP was sentenced to death in 2009, which was reduced to 50 years later. Guess what he is now a free man. 6 policemen were jailed for murder too. Being a senior policeman in Thailand is akin to being a mafia boss in other countries. They cannot get there by being a nice, law-abiding citizen.