Koh Tao murders: Influential island figure vows to clear his son's name

[Mudcrab]

What exactly is a village headman? "Headman" has a negative tone to my ears, like kingpin or boss. Is it a member of the police who is responsible only for a village? I live in a village but I've never heard of any headman here.

Is that village in Thailand? You've never heard the term Gamnan?

[boomerangutang]

Tarnished from the beginning, no one believes anything Thais do. What a crap show of BS Thais expect us to swallow without any question. So go ahead and keep up the circus act. I'm waiting for the real UK police to release their findings.

You may be disappointed. For starters, the Brit experts are only being shown what Thai officials want to show them. Also, I think when the Brits showed up and realized

>>>> A. what a tangled web is involved, including negotiating Thailand's social strata, plus

>>>> B. how much interest there is on social media, plus

>>>> C. The diplomatic repercussions of showing how the Thai cops were off the mark (or framing-up)

>>>> D. How hamstrung they were by being limited to just observing,

....they might just take the easy way out, and say "Thai investigators are doing what they can. We gotta go, bye bye."

Have the Brit experts packed up and left?

Not sure, the RTP said that Mark Kent the British Ambassador would also be attending the DNA circus today but he obviously decided not to, guess he's not keen on people speaking on his behalf.

The UK police if still here would certainly not have taken part or been witness to such a spectacle and farce. The only way this test could be recognized as fair and transparent is if it had been carried out independently.

Actually, I think NomSod's DNA will be sequenced correctly. I think there are 4 universities doing it independently. The stickler is: the DNA taken from the victim. Thus far, we've only heard that unqualified (according to Ms Porntip) Thais took the original specimens. They were supposedly sent to Singapore to be sequenced, though even that's not for sure. If the originals were sent to Singapore, then that's heartening, because it's doubtful Singaporean techies would be part of a frame-up. However, if the results stayed with Thai police brass, then they can play it however it suits them best: Implicate the Burmese, while keep shielding the headman's people. Additionally, they could take DNA from the Burmese and declare it's the the DNA from the victim. Who's going to challenge them? Not the prosecutors, because they're on the same team. Not the Brits, because they're only observers. Many posters assume the Brit officials have DNA from the victims, but thus far that's just an assumption.

[jdinasia]

I genuinely want to believe Nomsod is not involved, but if he is worried by the damage to his reputation and his fathers, after all his father has a multi million baht business....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

Did you not say in the past, just take a DNA test??

[mojorison]

I genuinely want to believe Nomsod is not involved, but if he is worried by the damage to his reputation and his fathers, after all his father has a multi million baht business....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

Did you not say in the past, just take a DNA test??

I think he means a transparent DNA test. One conducted by a non-partisan, impartial call it what you like practitioner, arbiter. Not one shrouded in cloak and dagger stuff.. like all the hocus pocus that has preceded. And please don't reply to my post with a quote. Your quoted posts are virtually unintelligible. (Feel free to add me to your ignore list though...)

[jdinasia]

I genuinely want to believe Nomsod is not involved, but if he is worried by the damage to his reputation and his fathers, after all his father has a multi million baht business....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

Did you not say in the past, just take a DNA test??

I think he means a transparent DNA test. One conducted by a non-partisan, impartial call it what you like practitioner, arbiter. Not one shrouded in cloak and dagger stuff.. like all the hocus pocus that has preceded. And please don't reply to my post with a quote. Your quoted posts are virtually unintelligible. (Feel free to add me to your ignore list though...)

Not at all what he said in the past.

[boomerangutang]

They say police are scared of this powerful family but then point to the fact police took them into custody, interrogated them and publicly accused them early on in the case.

That's because evidence first found pointed at the headman's family. That evidence is likely still valid. The evidence doesn't become moot just because police switched focus to the Burmese. As soon as the Headman realized evidence was pointing at his son and brother, they all went in to emergency mode to fix the situation. This they did rather effectively, because the focus shifted to non-Thais, the silly security shots from Bkk were released. Thai officialdom WANTED to find scapegoats. The prior police head was causing embarassment, because one or two locals popped up claiming they had been offered payment to lie. Then the top cop was replaced by higher-ups in Bkk. Within hours: the Burmese had signed confessions, DNA matched, headman's family were let off the hook, the farcical reenactment. The beat goes on......

....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

One of the first things Nomsod probably did after fleeing from the island: got a haircut (as soon as he heard about the security video footage). Just before or just after that, he and his family chucked their SIM cards, and someone probably went to the local phone company to make sure there wouldn't be any trace of their calling history.

[mojorison]

I genuinely want to believe Nomsod is not involved, but if he is worried by the damage to his reputation and his fathers, after all his father has a multi million baht business....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

Did you not say in the past, just take a DNA test??

I think he means a transparent DNA test. One conducted by a non-partisan, impartial call it what you like practitioner, arbiter. Not one shrouded in cloak and dagger stuff.. like all the hocus pocus that has preceded. And please don't reply to my post with a quote. Your quoted posts are virtually unintelligible. (Feel free to add me to your ignore list though...)

Not at all what he said in the past.

Well obviously I haven't read every scrap of effluent these threads have elicited. But if he didn't say transparent, allow me to. Transparent. There you go. (Well done on getting the quote syntax down pat).

[Mudcrab]

OK I'll put it out there!!

I reckon the British cops know exactly what is going on

This DNA of the Headman's son is for show purposes only.

This will calm the situation and give some people comfort on the island showing that no-one is above suspicion, including the cops. Things will cool down and things will get back to normal for a week or so.....sort of.

Then they will nail the true perpetrator. who I speculate is the football player with the stingray rings in a joint Thai/Brit operation and of course the BIB will be the heroes but who cares.

Just saying.

[BoristheBlade]

But you have a likelihood that there are 3 murders and rapists on the streets, and this tragedy could happen again

In fact I will go as far as to say IT WILL happen again

This is the police having a effort at ending this once and for all.

The son will be cleared with his DNA submitted. (Does anyone actually believe that his DNA will match? Hahahaha)

The two Burmese are having their DNA re tested. This will match and they will reconfirm their guilt.

All the testing will be done in house in Thailand, the British investigators will not be involved nor will they get their own samples. Most important!

The police will crow about how these new tests confirm their initial findings. The investigation is closed and the two Burmese will meet their fate.

No sod will go underground or leave the country "to avoid the limelight" and will return once the dust has settled.

His Dad will be keeping a wary eye on things and putting pressure on any speculative social media chatter will stop through threats and payments. (The only way these people know how to deal with something like this)

This pantomime isn't going to help those two Burmese, it is only being played out to affirm Nomsods innocence and reconfirm the polices initial findings that they had the right culprits in custody. That's all.

[littlebw]

If anyone is related to the headman and found guilty do you honestly think they will be in jail for years?

They will be let out the back door

[BoristheBlade]

re phone record GCHQ

They say police are scared of this powerful family but then point to the fact police took them into custody, interrogated them and publicly accused them early on in the case.

That's because evidence first found pointed at the headman's family. That evidence is likely still valid. The evidence doesn't become moot just because police switched focus to the Burmese. As soon as the Headman realized evidence was pointing at his son and brother, they all went in to emergency mode to fix the situation. This they did rather effectively, because the focus shifted to non-Thais, the silly security shots from Bkk were released. Thai officialdom WANTED to find scapegoats. The prior police head was causing embarassment, because one or two locals popped up claiming they had been offered payment to lie. Then the top cop was replaced by higher-ups in Bkk. Within hours: the Burmese had signed confessions, DNA matched, headman's family were let off the hook, the farcical reenactment. The beat goes on......

....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.
The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

One of the first things Nomsod probably did after fleeing from the island: got a haircut (as soon as he heard about the security video footage). Just before or just after that, he and his family chucked their SIM cards, and someone probably went to the local phone company to make sure there wouldn't be any trace of their calling history.

[mojorison]

OK I'll put it out there!!

I reckon the British cops know exactly what is going on

This DNA of the Headman's son is for show purposes only.

This will calm the situation and give some people comfort on the island showing that no-one is above suspicion, including the cops. Things will cool down and things will get back to normal for a week or so.....sort of.

Then they will nail the true perpetrator. who I speculate is the football player with the stingray rings in a joint Thai/Brit operation and of course the BIB will be the heroes but who cares.

Just saying.

Could be. I would expect the plod to see through any shenanigans pretty easily. They have the bodies. They would have extensive information from their end. No one knows what has gone on. They may have surreptitiously obtained their own DNA samples from any suspects. They won't be fooled by these cowboys. Whether or not justice prevails... that is another issue.

[joebrown]

To : JDINISIA

REf; My post #420

Are you able to answer my question about CCTV implicating the 2 in custody?

[CantSpell]

What exactly is a village headman? "Headman" has a negative tone to my ears, like kingpin or boss. Is it a member of the police who is responsible only for a village? I live in a village but I've never heard of any headman here.

Is that village in Thailand? You've never heard the term Gamnan?

Or Puyai Ban: sometimes not even from police or politician; "the facilitator"

[Mudcrab]

OK I'll put it out there!!

I reckon the British cops know exactly what is going on

This DNA of the Headman's son is for show purposes only.

This will calm the situation and give some people comfort on the island showing that no-one is above suspicion, including the cops. Things will cool down and things will get back to normal for a week or so.....sort of.

Then they will nail the true perpetrator. who I speculate is the football player with the stingray rings in a joint Thai/Brit operation and of course the BIB will be the heroes but who cares.

Just saying.

and a couple of his mates

[Soutpeel]

re phone record GCHQ

They say police are scared of this powerful family but then point to the fact police took them into custody, interrogated them and publicly accused them early on in the case.

That's because evidence first found pointed at the headman's family. That evidence is likely still valid. The evidence doesn't become moot just because police switched focus to the Burmese. As soon as the Headman realized evidence was pointing at his son and brother, they all went in to emergency mode to fix the situation. This they did rather effectively, because the focus shifted to non-Thais, the silly security shots from Bkk were released. Thai officialdom WANTED to find scapegoats. The prior police head was causing embarassment, because one or two locals popped up claiming they had been offered payment to lie. Then the top cop was replaced by higher-ups in Bkk. Within hours: the Burmese had signed confessions, DNA matched, headman's family were let off the hook, the farcical reenactment. The beat goes on......

....just release your phone data....end of story....then go after the internet detectives, press and tv.

The same go's for Mon his Uncle, if you have nothing to hide and the rumors are affecting your life and business do a DNA test......again end the rumours

One of the first things Nomsod probably did after fleeing from the island: got a haircut (as soon as he heard about the security video footage). Just before or just after that, he and his family chucked their SIM cards, and someone probably went to the local phone company to make sure there wouldn't be any trace of their calling history.

Get James Bond involved as well why dont you

[Lozza]

Again...Why has Mr Nomsod had a DNA Test when he and his lawyer stated he was not on Koh Tao on the day of the murders.

Was he lying?

Were the CCTV images of him at his halls of residence fake?

If they were fake, why has his University not mad a complaint to the police or Mr Nomsod? Because IF Mr Nomsod is involved in the murders or in the rape, they ( University and his Girlfriend alibi) become accessory to Murder

If they were why have the police not charged him with wasting police time at the very least?

Why was the DNA test done under the media spotlight?

This test has brought even more suspicion on Mr Nomsod

Why does Mr Nosod just release his Mobile Phone data on or about the time of the murder....this would clear him unequivocally IF he was in Bangkok

MR Nomsod. were you on Koh Tao at the time of the murders????? A Very simply question,,,,and an even simpler answer YES or NO...why have the RTP not asked this

He WAS on the island, he was caught on cctv shaking david's hand at 1.07 am. His father said he wasn't then said he went back to UNI early that morning.

Most of the island know he was there..if they have to prove it,they can without doubt.

If the father was so certain nomsod was in BKK he can offer 1 million to anyone who can prove nomsod was not on the island...not hard.

[Willy Eckerslike]

Dear god, yap yap yap, has anyone bothered to click on this link http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/ of todays date saying the police have already arrested Mon, the headman's brother and they are now seeking the headman's son who has fled to Bangkok

Head lines from said piece..................................

One tourist murder suspect now arrested, another on the run

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September 23, 2014

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History....they have been cleared since...................

Things in the past are history but the terminology of the statement cannot be changed.

"evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved"

" both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders."

What changed? How can a Police Commisioner use the words "evidence," examined", "proved", and then state they were caught on CCTV and then these statements brushed aside.

Many posters complain about people using theories and insist posters use proper news and police statements to confirm or bolster their posts. This is from a commanding officer using words that accuse people of crimes and claims to have evidence to support it but now its brushed off as history.

How could a statement delivered to the press be so wrong? Maybe saying we believe or its possible then I could understand the confusion.

Maybe the "Evidence" they had in the beginning that the commander was so confident about should be observed by the UK Police.

That report was issued on the 23rd September, before Mon submitted a DNA sample that day. I would suggest evidence gathered as a result of knowing one's patch and talking to people. Good old police detective work. On the 24th a RTP report was issued to state that Mon was cleared because the DNA did not match. Maximum DNA turnaround - 24 hours - impossible?

So, yes, I agree. I hope the UKP would want to observe what was the original 'evidence' that prompted a conclusive statement, and what subsequently happened.

Another bit of History..................The Brits who visited Kho Tao were attended by two senior RTP........

They arrived on the island by helicopter from Bangkok, accompanied by Jarumporn Suramanee, an adviser to the national police chief, and Suwat Jaengyodsuk, acting deputy commander of the Metropolitan Police Bureau. Pol Maj Gen Suwat is the chief investigator in the case, having been assigned earlier by national police chief Somyot Pumpanmuang to take over from local officers.

Pol Gen Jarumporn is a forensic expert who went to the crime scene days after the murder occurred.

The trip was kept secret, with no police officers in Surat Thani province or Provincial Police Region 8 informed. Police based on Koh Tao and neighbouring Koh Phangan were not allowed to join the meeting or take pictures of the visitors. -

See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/phuket-british-authorities-at-koh-tao-crime-scene-49338.php#sthash.OJwJbkev.dpuf

So maybe just maybe the Brits are observing this

[cookee68]

I can understand it .. if the guy is innocent and some internet hero's destroy his image.. id be pissed too.

Yes so would I, but if he had given DNA when he was asked when the murders first happened, then nothing or nobody would have said anything, he brought it on him self, and so did his father as both of their statements to the police on when and where he was when this all happened, were conflicting

[Mudcrab]

What exactly is a village headman? "Headman" has a negative tone to my ears, like kingpin or boss. Is it a member of the police who is responsible only for a village? I live in a village but I've never heard of any headman here.

Is that village in Thailand? You've never heard the term Gamnan?

Or Puyai Ban: sometimes not even from police or politician; "the facilitator"

gamnan, headman, puyai ban, mayor, councillor, call them what you like. Mine is the big boss of the 14 villages in the local district in deepest darkest Isaan. Elected to the position democratically. NOT a red. Very nice man, he and his wife run a shop in the village, and has helped me out at the amphur on a few occasions signing legal papers etc.

[freedom4life]

Isn't it a bit too late for DNA testing? How easy is it to swap or contaminate the samples? Can someone clarify?

[RickBradford]

Whatever the British cops find out, or whatever they think, there are many steps to go through before any official position is taken. The cops are not free agents and there are many political and diplomatic niceties to be observed.

I would be very surprised if the final statement differed much from: "While we feel there were some procedural weaknesses during the initial investigation, we have no reason to believe that there are any faults with the conclusion reached by the Thai police", or some such meaningless statement.

Privately, the individuals may have doubts, but it would be a major incident if British cops were, in effect, permitted to overturn a Thai police investigation.

[BoristheBlade]

James Bond...well I am 100% certain the real James Bonds are in full working mode, I am sure they are aware what all involved in this investigation eat for breakfast this morning....if you know what I mean!

Mr David Cameron has personally got involved, thats a very unusual for the PM to get involved with a crime of British Nationals on foreign soil.

The Thai authorities would also be advised the British are not impressed when statements issued in the Thai press are attributed to official UK sources.

This stokes the fires of anger that little bit further,

re phone record GCHQ

They say police are scared of this powerful family but then point to the fact police took them into custody, interrogated them and publicly accused them early on in the case.

[BoristheBlade]

Are you saying the guy in the No9 T-shirt is Nomsod?

Again...Why has Mr Nomsod had a DNA Test when he and his lawyer stated he was not on Koh Tao on the day of the murders.

Was he lying?

Were the CCTV images of him at his halls of residence fake?

If they were fake, why has his University not mad a complaint to the police or Mr Nomsod? Because IF Mr Nomsod is involved in the murders or in the rape, they ( University and his Girlfriend alibi) become accessory to Murder

If they were why have the police not charged him with wasting police time at the very least?

Why was the DNA test done under the media spotlight?

This test has brought even more suspicion on Mr Nomsod





Why does Mr Nosod just release his Mobile Phone data on or about the time of the murder....this would clear him unequivocally IF he was in Bangkok

MR Nomsod. were you on Koh Tao at the time of the murders????? A Very simply question,,,,and an even simpler answer YES or NO...why have the RTP not asked this

He WAS on the island, he was caught on cctv shaking david's hand at 1.07 am. His father said he wasn't then said he went back to UNI early that morning.

Most of the island know he was there..if they have to prove it,they can without doubt.

If the father was so certain nomsod was in BKK he can offer 1 million to anyone who can prove nomsod was not on the island...not hard.

[Mudcrab]

Isn't it a bit too late for DNA testing? How easy is it to swap or contaminate the samples? Can someone clarify?

easy as spit...literally unless there is a controlled chain of custody that follows certain protocols that ensures that that particular piece of evidence is tracked to ensure it belongs to the original source of the evidence

[Soutpeel]

James Bond...well I am 100% certain the real James Bonds are in full working mode, I am sure they are aware what all involved in this investigation eat for breakfast this morning....if you know what I mean!

Mr David Cameron has personally got involved, thats a very unusual for the PM to get involved with a crime of British Nationals on foreign soil.

The Thai authorities would also be advised the British are not impressed when statements issued in the Thai press are attributed to official UK sources.

This stokes the fires of anger that little bit further,

A mental health evaluation is required for this poster...

[Neeranam]

What exactly is a village headman? "Headman" has a negative tone to my ears, like kingpin or boss. Is it a member of the police who is responsible only for a village? I live in a village but I've never heard of any headman here.

Is that village in Thailand? You've never heard the term Gamnan?

Or Puyai Ban: sometimes not even from police or politician; "the facilitator"

gamnan, headman, puyai ban, mayor, councillor, call them what you like. Mine is the big boss of the 14 villages in the local district in deepest darkest Isaan. Elected to the position democratically. NOT a red. Very nice man, he and his wife run a shop in the village, and has helped me out at the amphur on a few occasions signing legal papers etc.

I guess he has been living there for 3 days only.

[BoristheBlade]

Ok You don;t think a team of British Police on foreign soil would not use the services of Mi5 etc?

James Bond...well I am 100% certain the real James Bonds are in full working mode, I am sure they are aware what all involved in this investigation eat for breakfast this morning....if you know what I mean!

Mr David Cameron has personally got involved, thats a very unusual for the PM to get involved with a crime of British Nationals on foreign soil.

The Thai authorities would also be advised the British are not impressed when statements issued in the Thai press are attributed to official UK sources.

This stokes the fires of anger that little bit further,

A mental health evaluation is required for this poster...

[freedom4life]

I can understand it .. if the guy is innocent and some internet hero's destroy his image.. id be pissed too.

If the guy is innocent?? Well yeah, but if he was innocent he would of submitted long ago to a DNA test.

Why ? Because some people don't believe him ?. This is not trial by media. I know that I would be real wary giving off my DNA to the Thai police who knows what happens with it. If there is no real good reason for it I would certainly never give of DNA to satisfy some internet group.

Who knows how convincing his real evidence was for being in BKK. The stuff you guys have not see. It is as if everyone thinks that they are entitled to all the evidence and know the same stuff as the police.

I have a police friend buddy (back in my birth country) he tells me that even there what is printed in newspapers is often far from what has actually happened. I find it amusing to say the least that people think they can do an investigation from behind their computer instead of having the real facts the police is privileged too.

I make no claims about this guy either way, but his reputation is toast either way. This will hunt them for a long time even if not guilty.

But many farangs hate rich Thais with a vengeance because then they cant feel superior. Admit it its much nicer if some HISO is guilty instead of some lowly worker. So there is prejudice too.

He got in to a arguement with the victims hours before they were murdered, and refused a DNA test.

That's all I know.

And that dribble about farang not liking hiso's because they don't feel superior is nonsense.

I just don't like people getting away with murder because of money and who they are. (Red Bull)

Agree about the red bull guy too.

Yes but he gave proof of an alibi if his alibi is good why give DNA ? Its just that that people from websites who have not seen the real tapes of proving he was in BKK think that the one still is all that the BIB have and base it all on that. Why do people keep thinking they have the same access to all the case data as the BIB.

I don't trust the BIB much but just saying that people are basing all the stuff on incomplete data that they get from newspapers. Just ask how real police think about that.

I agree there is a lot of misinformation out there, and it is hard what to believe.

The red bull guy had a alibi to begin with too.

But you would think if he was innocent, he would do all he could to clear his name.

If he had nothing to hide why refuse a DNA test, it makes him look guilty.

I cannot speak for all...but I detest corrupt Thais who are rich with a higher level because these trash bins abuse and trash others without regard...THEY are the ones that feel superior to others. In addition, why didn't this character admit to a DNA test before and where was he directly after this incident occurred? Even if they do a DNA test, would it matter if the DNA was contaminated or swapped at this point? Could I be that naive to think otherwise? If the results turned-out negative, would all of us be convinced? I would certainly not be. I'm sorry but as long as money is exchanging hands, I cannot put faith in this investigation any further.

[jdinasia]

To : JDINISIA

REf; My post #420

Are you able to answer my question about CCTV implicating the 2 in custody?

have answered (and the question has been answered many times)