CDC: New Thai constitution will be acceptable to public without needs for referendum

[jesimps]

Stitch-up, plain as the nose on your face. Been in the planning since before Khun Suthep put on his stripey shirt and trainers.

[Denim]

Seems legit.....

Yep , as legit as a nun doing push ups in a cucumber patch.

' acceptable to public without needs for referendum '

Really, why do they bother with these lies ? They only make themselves more loathsome in the sight of a large percentage of the population , which large percentage would not accept another new military backed constitution even if Moses were resurrected to climb up Doi Inthanon to go and get it.

A pathetic charade

[Dogmatix]

If the constitution doesn't pass the NRC, it is scrapped and the NRC and CDC are both dissolved. The whole process of selecting them and drafting a new constitution starts from scratch. This seems a not unlikely possibility and after a couple of iterations of this and two or three years have gone by, no one is likely to have much appetite for a referendum which would take another few months and could set the process back to the beginning again, if not approved.

[englishoak]

What else could one expect. One more crime after another.

History will not be kind to these fools!

History never has been, the problem is they dont teach history in Thailand, which is rather a convenient way of keeping the general populous ignorant of past events and thereby unable to see the next replay coming.

This constitution will be of the same quality and stand the test of time the same as all the ones before it......

Edited October 31, 2014 by englishoak

[allan michaud]

Oh dear, that's going to go down like the proverbial lead balloon with the public.

[joecoolfrog]

I wonder how well this will play on the International stage .

[lomatopo]

Why the need for another "new" constitution? Can't they just keep the interim charter, along with Martial Law? I mean, everything is fine, and 97% of the people are "Happy"

As an aside, is December 10 still a holiday? Which of the, too many to count, Constitutions does this "commemorate"? The one that lasted the longest?

And, can we get rid of the "Democracy" Monument, as it is clogging up traffic, maybe sell it to a real country as "almost unused".

[apetley]

Why the need for another "new" constitution? Can't they just keep the interim charter, along with Martial Law? I mean, everything is fine, and 97% of the people are "Happy"

As an aside, is December 10 still a holiday? Which of the, too many to count, Constitutions does this "commemorate"? The one that lasted the longest?

And, can we get rid of the "Democracy" Monument, as it is clogging up traffic, maybe sell it to a real country as "almost unused".

Just rename it to "Acceptable to the Public Without Need for Referendum Monument".

[Johnniey]

Referendum would be fixed anyway similar tovtge scottish one but not having one is one step closer to North Korea. If it werent for the nice beaches and beautudul subservient women, the rest if the world woul boycott this stupid systrm.

[smutcakes]

Referendum would be fixed anyway similar tovtge scottish one but not having one is one step closer to North Korea. If it werent for the nice beaches and beautudul subservient women, the rest if the world woul boycott this stupid systrm.

Well the junta should be happy to have a referendum then, their buddy Somchai and his team/family/extended families were just over watching the 'fixed' election, so he should be well suited to implement it back home.

[jayboy]

What else could one expect. One more crime after another.

History will not be kind to these fools!

I don't think it is a matter of criminality but rather profound stupidity.They believe that a solution can be imposed on the Thai people by force ( notwithstanding the unconvincing talk of local consultations).Their particular problem is the profound change in Thai society which has and is taking place, which makes the puppet government's position Jurassic.The consequences of their foolishness is unknown, but the fear is that in the longer term it could unleash Chavez type extremism that will not serve Thailand well.

[sjaak327]

If the constitution doesn't pass the NRC, it is scrapped and the NRC and CDC are both dissolved. The whole process of selecting them and drafting a new constitution starts from scratch. This seems a not unlikely possibility and after a couple of iterations of this and two or three years have gone by, no one is likely to have much appetite for a referendum which would take another few months and could set the process back to the beginning again, if not approved.

In a nutshell your post highlights why reform before elections, or better described reform without electoral mandate is a bad thing. Reforming the constitution should be done by politicians who have received a clear mandate from the electorate, not by generals who failed at doing so just 7 years ago.

Whatever they come up with cannot be taken seriously.

[tbthailand]

said it before, will say it again. A referendum is a red herring. I hope that they don't bother with one so the Thai people and the world can see the new constitution for what it will truly be

[whybother]

The 1997 "people's constitution" wasn't voted in with a referendum. Everyone seemed to find that one acceptable.

The 2007 constitution was voted in with a referendum. A lot of people don't find that one acceptable.

[MaxLee]

CDC: New constitution will be acceptable to public without needs for referendum

In other words, one in ear in, the other ear out,... just swallow it poor and Falang scum or get sentenced without trial....

Edited November 2, 2014 by MaxLee

[simon43]

2,000 million baht (about $61m) to hold a referendum? Surely it cannot cost that much to set up a secure website to allow people to vote online, (with appropriate verification process that each individual only votes once, and that it is actually that individual who is casting the vote).

Seems a little expensive... you'd have thought they would be gagging to get a share of that money.

[lomatopo]

2,000 million baht (about $61m) to hold a referendum?

Probably overstated in order to justify not having a referendum?

[whybother]

2,000 million baht (about $61m) to hold a referendum? Surely it cannot cost that much to set up a secure website to allow people to vote online, (with appropriate verification process that each individual only votes once, and that it is actually that individual who is casting the vote).

Seems a little expensive... you'd have thought they would be gagging to get a share of that money.

Does any country have online voting for elections or referendums yet?

Setting up the website is the easy part.

How do you get user-ids/passwords to log into this system out to everyone? How do the authorities ensure that those that vote really are who they say they are? How do people that don't understand technology vote? How do people that don't have access to the internet vote?

[fab4]

The 1997 "people's constitution" wasn't voted in with a referendum. Everyone seemed to find that one acceptable.

The 2007 constitution was voted in with a referendum. A lot of people don't find that one acceptable.

So by that ridiculous comparison we are to deduce that constitutions that are not agreed to in a referendum are worthy ones, therefore this constitution written by a junta appointed CDC with no referendum will be just as worthy. Another giant leap of logic by the past master, whybother..........................

[whybother]

The 1997 "people's constitution" wasn't voted in with a referendum. Everyone seemed to find that one acceptable.

The 2007 constitution was voted in with a referendum. A lot of people don't find that one acceptable.

So by that ridiculous comparison we are to deduce that constitutions that are not agreed to in a referendum are worthy ones, therefore this constitution written by a junta appointed CDC with no referendum will be just as worthy. Another giant leap of logic by the past master, whybother..........................

That's your "logic", not mine. I didn't say anything about how "worthy" this constitution would be. You're just twisting it to suit your BS.

[cmsally]

2,000 million baht (about $61m) to hold a referendum?

Probably overstated in order to justify not having a referendum?

I kind of doubt the Swiss pay that much for each referendum. They have many each year, if they paid that much they would be broke by now!

[whybother]

2,000 million baht (about $61m) to hold a referendum?

Probably overstated in order to justify not having a referendum?

I kind of doubt the Swiss pay that much for each referendum. They have many each year, if they paid that much they would be broke by now!

With 12% of the population and 8% of the size, you would think not.

[longway]

They are not ‘clowns’ (post#16) or ‘fools’ (post#6), they are potent power mongers who are resolutely implementing their well thought out strategy that has only one objective: to keep them on top of this country by all means and for a long time to come. The clowns and fools are those – on the streets but also here on the forum – who cheered them into power and naively believed that they would bring change for the better.

There are many who believe that the power of this portion of the thai elite are waning, and this coup is a last gasp attempt to cling to their privileges as long as possible, and I agree with that assessment.

So what is their strategy for doing so?

IMO what they are doing now is in fact trying to bring elected politicians down to their level; this is not necessarily a bad thing for democracy is it?

Powerful politicians weaken democracy, don't they?

[Bluespunk]

"a referendum which demands a budget of 2,000 million baht"

Really? That seems a lot to me.

[sjaak327]

The 1997 "people's constitution" wasn't voted in with a referendum. Everyone seemed to find that one acceptable.

The 2007 constitution was voted in with a referendum. A lot of people don't find that one acceptable.

Excuse me, but the 1997 constitution wasn't drafted by people without an electoral mandate. They received a clear mandate to draft the constitution and real consultation took place. It is indeed much more a people's constitution than the 2007 one which was voted without any consultation or participation and was literally shoved down their throats.

[maidee]

democrazy, thai style

coup, no referendum, no elections

[Crushdepth]

Big mistake.