DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[expat_4_life]

ThaiPBS has a video up of an interview with the purported owner of the infamous Spacebook page.

Wish my Thai was a little better just now .... here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzvhLPfrJ6A

Edited November 1, 2014 by expat_4_life

[Commerce]

How come the second set of DNA from the accused wasn't done as quickly as this one and the results released with the same enthusiasm ??

Money talks!

[draftvader]

Them saying it doesn't make people believe it. Wonder how that report is going to read?

He didn't do it is how...

Wrong game. How about "We uncovered systematic failures in the gathering of evidence. Based off what we were shown we believe we would not have a prosecution case and Thailand should perform a complete review of operating practices into their homicide investigations."?

[jaltsc]

"DNA results from the four state hospitals in Bangkok -- Police General Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital, Siriraj Hospital and Chulalongkorn Hospital -- now show that the two men are not involved with the murders and so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

I am sure Pol Lt Gen Prawut is totally unfamiliar with the term "Chain of Evidence" since practicing such a procedure would get in the way of the systematic cover ups which appear to be the accepted method of operation when important and influential people are suspected of a crime.

Edited November 1, 2014 by jaltsc

[bendywire]

Whether or not you believe that this boy did it is down to pure speculation. Yes the RTP aren't to be trusted in most cases but condemning a man based on conjecture is no better than what we complain about with the police here anyway.

I'm not sure if I believe the lads from Myanmar are guilty or not. I just think that this investigation has been so badly run that nobody will ever agree with anything that is reported.

[draftvader]

"DNA results from the four state hospitals in Bangkok -- Police General Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital, Siriraj Hospital and Chulalongkorn Hospital -- now show that the two men are not involved with the murders and so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

Wanna bet?

The UK press will be all over this.

There's an election coming up.

One the Tories could very well lose and see their treacherous coalition partners destroyed as a political entity.

They will do whatever it takes to get favourable ratings.

And good press.

Is this a big enough story in the uk to sway votes?

It doesn't need to be big enough. It just needs the Daily Mail. These people will sit on the fence and be shepherded into the booths come election day. Win them and you take the "must back a winner" voter (i.e. you will see plenty of ground lost to the 3rd party in the run up only for them to fall short of expectation as people choose one of the 2 "traditional" parties = swing).

[Gunna]

Interesting article from Facebook

Two weeks ago, we followed Sophie and Nick on their exciting journey to Koh Tao and discovering their dreams of opening up a cheese toastie stall. Now the conclusion...

" It was by chance when we were buying our cheese, our quantity caught the attention of Rich, a fellow Canadian living on the island with his wife, managing a bar. He let us know that we could get smaller quantities of real deal cheddar down the street.

Obviously, he didn’t know our intentions and we kept hum about it, but we got to chatting and he invited us out to his bar.

- See more at: http://www.thephuketnews.com/thailand-travel-toasted-on-koh-tao-part-2-49432.php#sthash.AWuV0D7t.dpuf

Edited November 1, 2014 by metisdead
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[than]

"so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government"

so this basically confirms the tests were bullshit.

Have you got evidence ?

[freedom4life]

This only proves 1 thing. The samples taken do not match with the master sample handed over by the BIB - WHICH nobody knows for sure where AND FROM WHOM it came from.

Thus, in effect, it proves NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, RIEN, NADA!

Essentially correct, it matters very little and we still won't accept this ridiculous attempt; a charade. We have no transparency in the case whatsoever...anything could of been exchanged, covered-up, and staged. Given the history of corruption with the police and mafia-type connections...sorry I do not believe (including Thai people-decent folk to say) any outcome as toted by these local Thai authorities. It would be incredibly naive and erroneous to do so.

What is to be done with this incredible amount of corruption...people seem to be afraid to come forward...when is it enough? These criminals will not stop unless decent people come forward to expose them. Could be your wife, husband son, daughter ending-up in a similar fashion as the two Koh Tao victims..would any of you like to be in the position the families of the two victims are in? My goodness people, how much is enough?

Let us do away with these criminals once and for all...once you know who they are in any part of Thailand..boycott their businesses, expose them on the net, report illegal activities (if not to the police)- again put it on the net...expose, expose, expose them. Since money is their god, cut-off their sources. In a theological term, they are luciferian-parasites..nothing more.

[Bluespunk]

"DNA results from the four state hospitals in Bangkok -- Police General Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital, Siriraj Hospital and Chulalongkorn Hospital -- now show that the two men are not involved with the murders and so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

Wanna bet?

The UK press will be all over this.

There's an election coming up.

One the Tories could very well lose and see their treacherous coalition partners destroyed as a political entity.

They will do whatever it takes to get favourable ratings.

And good press.

Is this a big enough story in the uk to sway votes?

Right now they need every distraction and positive story they can get.

UKIP are all over their arse and anything seen as fighting for UK against Johnny Foreigner will attract the more right wing, isolationist vote.

They are fighting UKIP for that and in marginal seats (or even previously safe ones) a split in that vote between the tories and UKIP could let others in.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Bluespunk

[Commerce]

"DNA results from the four state hospitals in Bangkok -- Police General Hospital, Ramathibodi Hospital, Siriraj Hospital and Chulalongkorn Hospital -- now show that the two men are not involved with the murders and so it is unnecessary to forward the DNA results to the British government because it had no doubt about the investigation being conducted by the Thai police, said Pol Lt Gen Prawut."

It DOES NOT prove that. It is an indicator that they were not involved in sexual misconduct, or perpretrated the same, based upon the assumption that the master DNA samples handed over by the BIB were genuine copies of those found in Hannah's poor body.

Wasn't he overheard, Daddy, saying that is, in the bar of the night the murders - kill them? I can't find the link, but I'm sure it was reported in the initial days, when the BIB initially were after the little shit in the OP photo, and his brother or cousin or long lost ghost.

I'd love to meet him, and tell him Hannah and David's ghosts are following him and will get him when he's alone. He'd be shitting himself for the rest of his life.

[mommysboy]

If all this had happened in UK, USA, Europe, Aus I would be 99.9% sure the right people were in custody.

Sent from my i-mobile IQ 1 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[seahorse]

Them saying it doesn't make people believe it. Wonder how that report is going to read?

He didn't do it is how...

I was wondering how long it would take for a corruption apologist to show up on this thread.

He didn't do what? The murders or the (alleged) rape?

Edited November 1, 2014 by seahorse

[Bluespunk]

Them saying it doesn't make people believe it. Wonder how that report is going to read?

He didn't do it is how...

I was wondering how long it would take for a corruption apologist to show up on this thread.

He didn't do what? The murder or the (alleged) rape?

I don't think you've interpreted what Local Drunk meant correctly. I thought there was a large slice of justifiable sarcasm in his post. Edited November 1, 2014 by Bluespunk

[Robby nz]

Spokesman Pol Lt Gen. Prawut Thavornsiri said DNA results taken from blood tests and mouth swabs of Warot Tuwichian, son of Woraphan, a Ko Tao village headman on the Gulf of Thailand resort island, did not match evidence and DNA of a cigarette stub collected from the island's beach and from Hannah Victoria Witheridge, one of the two British victims.

So his DNA was not on the cigarette stub and evidence collected at the scene of the crime.

Nothing about his DNA being on or in either of the bodies of the murdered.

I think they will have to do a little better than that.

[Fat Haggis]

That story feels like a load of bull to be honest.

Doesn't state whether they had the work permit or correct visa to be thinking about setting up anywhere in Thailand never mind Koh Tao.

They just happened to mention the "Mafia" too? Errr organised crime syndicates conversations don't normally crop up with complete strangers no matter where you are, that sounds more like under cover journos trying to get a story as opposed to two naive entrepreneur and their cheese mountains, my gut instinct is the whole story is as cheesy as it comes!!

[Artisi]

You know, it could just be that he didn't do it.

However no matter what the BIB do, there is always a certain aroma, a bad feeling, attached to it.

The only way many people are going to accept DNA results is if they are not involved.

That is overseas.

Can't see it happening though.

Didn't do what - have sexual contact or murder?

As for sexual contact - maybe - maybe not - could well have used a condom and not the one discarded on the beach.

As for any other involvement with her eventual death - seems a lot of airy-fairy alibi information floating around - just hope the Bill gets to the bottom of it.

[user4674534]

The first mistake the RTP/Government made was to treat this as 'just another farang death in Thailand and that it would eventually blow over. Not this time. They have seriously been caught with their pants down.

[KunMatt]

The first mistake the RTP/Government made was to treat this as 'just another farang death in Thailand and that it would eventually blow over. Not this time. They have seriously been caught with their pants down.

Agree. They had no idea that the UK police would get involved this time and that social media would track the case so thoroughly. I really hope that because of this they were slack on their corruption and have made some massive error in the beginning which ends up being their downfall and the truth is eventually found out.

[Soutpeel]

There are so many people that believe this whole episode is a complete sham......including me.

The RTP appear overly enthusiastic to have these results in the media as soon as possible to "prove" there investigations.........and to have a press meeting, with the father and son at the table, indicates to me that they are desperate to convince all, that they are right.

The BP website carried a picture of the son holding up the finger from which blood was taken and a doctor / medical technician displaying the paper used to collect the blood.

Pure theatre and childish but totally in keeping with the way things are done.

correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the photos and video show them talking a swab from his mouth ?.... not blood ?

[NongKhaiKid]

There are so many people that believe this whole episode is a complete sham......including me.

The RTP appear overly enthusiastic to have these results in the media as soon as possible to "prove" there investigations.........and to have a press meeting, with the father and son at the table, indicates to me that they are desperate to convince all, that they are right.

The BP website carried a picture of the son holding up the finger from which blood was taken and a doctor / medical technician displaying the paper used to collect the blood.

Pure theatre and childish but totally in keeping with the way things are done.

correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the photos and video show them talking a swab from his mouth ?.... not blood ?

Yes there was that picture and now one of him holding up his poor finger or was it giving the finger ?

[seahorse]

The police have made lots of errors but to me this is the biggest.

The police on Koh Tao Island have announced they have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

http://www.chiangraitimes.com/koh-tao-murder-suspect-arrested-another-on-the-run.html

Mon and Nomsod.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

Here is the cctv evidence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3sHTxNP2N4

Cameras know you by your walk

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835.600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk.html

[JOC]

Makes you wonder, who are they really protecting??

Must be someone high up in the foodchain!!

[simon43]

How deep a hole can the RTP dig for themselves?

If I were living in Lima, Peru (the antipode of Bangkok), I'd be seriously worried....

[Fat Haggis]

Makes you wonder, who are they really protecting??

Must be someone high up in the foodchain!!

Not sure if there is any truth in what was already reported but Suthep is supposed to be his Uncle however I don't really see what bearing having such a person of interests as Khun Suthep would have any influence on any outcome, other than he owns quite a substantial part of the Region.

[smedly]

it should also be possible to accurately get the exact height of the person from the CCTV

[JOC]

If the RTP want all the "evil" social media posters to go away, please inform us of the following:

Who took the first swabs from the victims?

Who analyzed those swabs?

Where was the DNA stored?

Who was in charge of the DNA storage?

Who witnessed any of the above?

If the answers to those questions are Thai Police, well I guess we have to continue having our doubts!!

[StealthEnergiser]

I hope some persons from uk direct all these Thai visa links to there politicians and media there is a lot good info and a little of BS from a minority group.

[madmitch]

The police put themselves in the firing line all the time with unnecessary comments. Why did they even need to state that the results would not be forwarded to the UK police?

They should note the way the UK police have handled themselves during their investigation observation. We've heard nothing from them at all.

[madmitch]

I hope some persons from uk direct all these Thai visa links to there politicians and media there is a lot good info and a little of BS from a minority group.

What and get us all arrested?