DNA results from Ko Tao village head’s son don't match traces on slain British tourists

[thailandchilli]

There's also reports and quotes about 3 people who had been on the beach, they were suspects and questioned, had DNA taken. DNA was then clear so they were released. This was on or around the 24th Sept. Very strange how many groups of 3 people were on the beach at that time, or would this be the same 3 who were then picked up again with 2 of the DNA matchs now positive!

[DennisF]

And again, wrong.

Instead of cherry picking, I accept the current position. Sean did not change his statement. He explained it. He did so after he was safely out of Thailand.

As for, "cops eased Sean's" departure from Thailand. That is just another conspiracy theory.

"Koh Phangan police station chief Pol Col Prachum Ruangthong confirmed that a Scottish man who posted pictures of Mr Montriwat and another person of interest on his Facebook page has left Koh Tao in protective custody'"

yeah with tuk tuk and news paper man wit raving hungover and sudden memory loss and need to vipe all hes internet accounts.

Excellent, you suggest bthat bMcSh1t closed all his FB accounts and this is a sign of guilt.

It possibly is, any lowlife scum who heads a pub crawl within 1km of where his friend was bludgeoned to death hours before is guilty of being a sub human.

But let us take your suggestion a bit further, if deleting things from FB is an indication of possible guilt or something to hide then

we also have to examine dear doting daddys offspring who deleted his account, shark ring man who deleted his photos, offsprings inseparable squeeze who posted lamenting she had not seen her hunk for 3 days from the murder date, the offsprings cousin who posted that she was with haircut boy in Bangkok when

it was proven she was in Pattaya with her boyfriend (I she proved it herself by checking in on facebook, stupid cow).

There are a few others of interest whose FRB went quiet or had items deleted in the time we are interested in.

Fortunately, a number of people have screenshots so the evidence is not lost.

So, with your theory turned practical, what steps do you think we should take to investigate the deleters from FB?

Or shall we just forget it because murder island is such a wonderful place with friendly locals and brutal Burmese?

[StealthEnergiser]

There's also reports and quotes about 3 people who had been on the beach, they were suspects and questioned, had DNA taken. DNA was then clear so they were released. This was on or around the 24th Sept. Very strange how many groups of 3 people were on the beach at that time, or would this be the same 3 who were then picked up again with 2 of the DNA matchs now positive!The

There is so much being kept quite i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

[DennisF]

There's also reports and quotes about 3 people who had been on the beach, they were suspects and questioned, had DNA taken. DNA was then clear so they were released. This was on or around the 24th Sept. Very strange how many groups of 3 people were on the beach at that time, or would this be the same 3 who were then picked up again with 2 of the DNA matchs now positive!The

There is so much being kept quite i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

It is very possible you are correct, I would imagine, logically, the Burmese contingent have been in contact with the UK authorities.

Not usual for a government to back 2 citizens as the Burmese are and kudos to them for it.

The delegation in Thailand is about as high as it gets and they are putting up their own cash

Using the Burmese as the middle man would avoid diplomatic/trade problems for the UK so wet nosed Cameron can continue

to smarm without interuption.

[boomerangutang]

There is so much being kept quiet i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

I doubt there will be a trial, as Thai officialdom can only dig themselves deeper in to the hole they've dug. However, if there is a trial, I hope the B's defense team gets some assistance from Brit experts (which the B2 asked for, and probably their lawyers asked also).

If the Brits continue to stand stoically back and say nothing, then it will look bad for the Brits. Enough is enough. They owe it to the pursuit of justice (and getting the real perps behind bars) to tell what they know, and not keep putting it off week after week.

[kcirtapyelrah]

There is so much being kept quiet i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

I doubt there will be a trial, as Thai officialdom can only dig themselves deeper in to the hole they've dug. However, if there is a trial, I hope the B's defense team gets some assistance from Brit experts (which the B2 asked for, and probably their lawyers asked also).

If the Brits continue to stand stoically back and say nothing, then it will look bad for the Brits. Enough is enough. They owe it to the pursuit of justice (and getting the real perps behind bars) to tell what they know, and not keep putting it off week after week.

Exactly Boomerangutang.

[thailandchilli]

Dear Santa, it has been a while since I last wrote you, but there is something I really, really want this year...

Please let the UK inquest contain at least some of the following bombshells:

> A toxicology report contradicting the official findings,

> A negative match on DNA acquired from the B2 and Hannah's body in the UK,

> Confirmation of stab wounds to David,

> Testimony of witnesses to a confrontation involving the victims,

> Testimony of Sean Mc,

> Any other juicy surprise to blow up in someone's face.

I understand this is a very big ask, but believe me when I say this would bring immense joy to many!

<deleted>

I don't think this is a big ask, I think it will happen and agree, this will blow things right smack bang in the face of the Thai authorities.

Last year there was a very suspicious death of a UK national in Bangkok while he was in police custody, the UK police did not go over for this one but the inquest report is a good example of the public statements that can be made by the witness's that were actually there.

With such a relatively small case although tragic it is not on the same level as this one that also will have many more witness's and the police reports, explosive is the term I would predict. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brit-found-hanged-thai-cell-4058070

[thailandchilli]

There is so much being kept quiet i think the friends of Hannah and David may know more and Scotland yard also so lets hope if this trial starts at the end of next week that the defence team have plenty of ammo.

I doubt there will be a trial, as Thai officialdom can only dig themselves deeper in to the hole they've dug. However, if there is a trial, I hope the B's defense team gets some assistance from Brit experts (which the B2 asked for, and probably their lawyers asked also).

If the Brits continue to stand stoically back and say nothing, then it will look bad for the Brits. Enough is enough. They owe it to the pursuit of justice (and getting the real perps behind bars) to tell what they know, and not keep putting it off week after week.

Exactly Boomerangutang.

I agree but I honestly think, legally they can't make any detailed public statements on the police report until the inquest. I do hope however that behind the scenes there are selected leaks to the right people

[balo]

@JD,

You have been online without a break for 2 months now bashing anyone who questions whether the 2 Burmese boys are the murderers.

You have stated repeatedly that you are of the belief that they are the guilty ones.

From what you have said, you believe this mainly because they have confessed to the crimes.

I have asked you several times ..... however, you plainly could not be bothered to explain why you believe this so fervently. You have invested a great deal of your life to this cause yet you don't really seem very interested in the Burmese boys at all.

Over a thousand posts now ..... all in favour of the Burmese guilt ... yet only 2 lines explaining why you feel this so strongly.

May I suggest that you NEED the boys to be guilty for the simple logic that if they are the murderers - then other people can not be?

No.... I'm sure that would be a bad suggestion............

I do not agree with you , I have been following JDs posts for a while and he is not claiming they are the only guilty one . But he is trying to look at the other side of the coin to find other suspects than the headmans family .

B2 are also real suspects and of course we can not just ignore that.

[thailandchilli]

@JD,

You have been online without a break for 2 months now bashing anyone who questions whether the 2 Burmese boys are the murderers.

You have stated repeatedly that you are of the belief that they are the guilty ones.

From what you have said, you believe this mainly because they have confessed to the crimes.

I have asked you several times ..... however, you plainly could not be bothered to explain why you believe this so fervently. You have invested a great deal of your life to this cause yet you don't really seem very interested in the Burmese boys at all.

Over a thousand posts now ..... all in favour of the Burmese guilt ... yet only 2 lines explaining why you feel this so strongly.

May I suggest that you NEED the boys to be guilty for the simple logic that if they are the murderers - then other people can not be?

No.... I'm sure that would be a bad suggestion............

I do not agree with you , I have been following JDs posts for a while and he is not claiming they are the only guilty one . But he is trying to look at the other side of the coin to find other suspects than the headmans family .

B2 are also real suspects and of course we can not just ignore that.

I disagree balo, he has never mentioned the possibility of other suspects that I can remember reading. He has always stated that he honestly thinks the B2 are the killers, any deviation from that is immediately classified as a conspiracy theory from him. Everybody has to look at the other side of the coin yes to be fair and I would say that the majority of people on here do just that.

But what they do not do is believe in the sham investigation, nobody in their right minds can say that it is a fair and credible one that can lead to a fair trial.

[kcirtapyelrah]

@JD,

You have been online without a break for 2 months now bashing anyone who questions whether the 2 Burmese boys are the murderers.

You have stated repeatedly that you are of the belief that they are the guilty ones.

From what you have said, you believe this mainly because they have confessed to the crimes.

I have asked you several times ..... however, you plainly could not be bothered to explain why you believe this so fervently. You have invested a great deal of your life to this cause yet you don't really seem very interested in the Burmese boys at all.

Over a thousand posts now ..... all in favour of the Burmese guilt ... yet only 2 lines explaining why you feel this so strongly.

May I suggest that you NEED the boys to be guilty for the simple logic that if they are the murderers - then other people can not be?

No.... I'm sure that would be a bad suggestion............

I do not agree with you , I have been following JDs posts for a while and he is not claiming they are the only guilty one . But he is trying to look at the other side of the coin to find other suspects than the headmans family .

B2 are also real suspects and of course we can not just ignore that.

Carry on.

[boomerangutang]

I do not agree with you , I have been following JDs posts for a while and he is not claiming they are the only guilty one . But he is trying to look at the other side of the coin to find other suspects than the headmans family. B2 are also real suspects and of course we can not just ignore that.

JD is echoing everything Thai officialdom puts forth. Everything JD and Thai officials declare is fully trying to shield the headman's people. I challenge you or him to name one thing he's mentioned which doesn't directly or indirectly try to shield the headman's people. There is no 'other side of the coin' with him, only the same side of the coin viewed with a mirror.

[jdinasia]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Ms Porntip. BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Hmmmm

Thailand's best not only thinks she can make the GT200 work, she used it to prove a case.

How much credibility would she add? Particularly in the eyes of the UK, who jailed the man that sold the GT200's?

[thailandchilli]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Ms Porntip. BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Hmmmm

Thailand's best not only thinks she can make the GT200 work, she used it to prove a case.

How much credibility would she add? Particularly in the eyes of the UK, who jailed the man that sold the GT200's?

If she was brought in, even at this late stage, she would add a lot more credibility than the current Police Forensic Team who had a hand in the farcical show in Bangkok testing the beloved son.

[jdinasia]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

[StealthEnergiser]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Mshow . BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Hmmmm

Thailand's best not only thinks she can make the GT200 work, she used it to prove a case.

How much credibility would she add? Particularly in the eyes of the UK, who jailed the man that sold the GT200's?

Were you there when they were being tested and did you see physically testing a G200 herself ? she may have signed for them because was given orders from higher up .

She is a very capable forensic investigator and that is probablly why Koh Tao police never called her immediately.

[Jimbo1964]

If there was nothing to hide they would forward to UK Police as proof.

[jdinasia]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Mshow . BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Hmmmm

Thailand's best not only thinks she can make the GT200 work, she used it to prove a case.

How much credibility would she add? Particularly in the eyes of the UK, who jailed the man that sold the GT200's?

Were you there when they were being tested and did you see physically testing a G200 herself ? she may have signed for them because was given orders from higher up .

She is a very capable forensic investigator and that is probablly why Koh Tao police never called her immediately.

So your argument is that she would kowtow to pressure from higher up, and you think that adds credibility?

[Jimbo1964]

Missing the n't why wouldn't they forward to UK Police

[thailandchilli]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

I think my opinion is far from short sighted, your opinion however fits well with keeping this within a tightly controlled framework so thats its only the RTP who have access to the tainted DNA.

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

My opinion is also that this is the view of the UK and Burmese Authorities as well as the international community as a whole.

Edited November 28, 2014 by thailandchilli

[mcm991]

So if this goes the distance for the B2, once they are formally indicted, then how soon would the trial start, days or months, anybody have an opinion on this?

I would guess they would try to hang it out until after the inquest inquest on 6th January 2015 for Hannah in the UK. They must be very concerned about the statements that will be revealed from the witness's, police, the verdict and narrative that will be given from the coroner. So to cover their backs perhaps they will wait till its completed?

I think Thai officialdom has wanted to railroad the B2 toward conviction all along. Remember when the 2nd head cop investigator was appointed, how quick things happened. Within hours, the B3 (B2 + 1) were questioned in the 'safe house,' guilty verdicts were signed, DNA matched, and the reenactment took place. If it hadn't been for pesky social media, the B2 (one of the B was put aside) would probably be sitting on death row now. To wait for the UK inquest will enable that can of worms to be opened: namely: findings from objective detectives with miles more professionalism in crime scenes than any Thais, except perhaps Ms Porntip. BTW, every time JD sees Porntip's name mentioned, he immediately mentions her not-so-wise call on the faux bomb detectors. The real reason JD and authorities don't want Ms Porntip on the case is she's the best forensic expert in Thailand, and she's not afraid to counter what authorities dictate.

Hmmmm

Thailand's best not only thinks she can make the GT200 work, she used it to prove a case.

How much credibility would she add? Particularly in the eyes of the UK, who jailed the man that sold the GT200's?

Oh c'mon JD...... please tell me you took the bait on purpose there........

On a more interesting note ... your post does indicate that you are well aware of the issue of credibility in a given situation.

Porntip lost a lot of hers on the GT200 as most will admit.

However you fail to agree that some of the RTP's previous handling of cases by framing innocent individuals, torture, taking bribes and general ineptitude has tarnished their credibility at all.

Can't have it both ways .........

[jdinasia]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

I think my opinion is far from short sighted, your opinion however fits well with keeping this within a tightly controlled framework so thats its only the RTP who have access to the tainted DNA.

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

My opinion is also that this is the view of the UK and Burmese Authorities as well as the international community as a whole.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/10/11/national/national_30085759.php

Yeppers, she is certainly credible.

[mcm991]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

I think my opinion is far from short sighted, your opinion however fits well with keeping this within a tightly controlled framework so thats its only the RTP who have access to the tainted DNA.

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

My opinion is also that this is the view of the UK and Burmese Authorities as well as the international community as a whole.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/10/11/national/national_30085759.php

Yeppers, she is certainly credible.

Yup .... they sure are ........

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/25/thai-senior-police-officer-corruption-charges

I know it is a stupid saying .... but you sound like you want your cake and eat it too.

[thailandchilli]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

I think my opinion is far from short sighted, your opinion however fits well with keeping this within a tightly controlled framework so thats its only the RTP who have access to the tainted DNA.

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

My opinion is also that this is the view of the UK and Burmese Authorities as well as the international community as a whole.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/10/11/national/national_30085759.php

Yeppers, she is certainly credible.

How many links would you like on the credibility of the current Thai prosecuting team who are currently in the process of another very suspicious case, yes the same team. And again the exact same team who are also heading the case of a separate killing of a European. as we speak which is also creating media response and affecting their credibility. Disturbing stuff.

How many links would you like of the allegations made about the police team based in Koh TAo and what their normal duties entail when there not attempting to fit up Burmese?

I never mentioned her standard of credibility is good so the link you provided is of no interest to me as I already know about her and her history. However you have already received my view on what she could bring to this investigation.

[thailandchilli]

Defence lawyer Nakhon said he was "positive" the men are innocent. "The police have no evidence."

New article by Aljazeera http://m.aljazeera.com/story/2014112782118666293

[expat_4_life]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

[jdinasia]

That appears to be a myopic opinion.

Anyone claiming to be able to operate a GT200'S advanced technology has long lost their credibility. The DNA of the son was not a match and it was not gathered by the police.

I think my opinion is far from short sighted, your opinion however fits well with keeping this within a tightly controlled framework so thats its only the RTP who have access to the tainted DNA.

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

My opinion is also that this is the view of the UK and Burmese Authorities as well as the international community as a whole.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2008/10/11/national/national_30085759.php

Yeppers, she is certainly credible.

How many links would you like on the credibility of the current Thai prosecuting team who are currently in the process of another very suspicious case, yes the same team. And again the exact same team who are also heading the case of a separate killing of a European. as we speak which is also creating media response and affecting their credibility. Disturbing stuff.

How many links would you like of the allegations made about the police team based in Koh TAo and what their normal duties entail when there not attempting to fit up Burmese?

I never mentioned her standard of credibility is good so the link you provided is of no interest to me as I already know about her and her history. However you have already received my view on what she could bring to this investigation.

What she could bring, credibility in the eyes of the UK? No.

The very least she could do is add even more discredit to the conspiracy theorists. Imagine the UK press getting a hold of her testifying. The GT200'S staunch defender says that the Koh Tao investigation isn't credible..... Yeah, that would be effective!

[jdinasia]

Looks like the case is back in the News ....

Latest development (https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy)

Samui prosecutor announces investigation into Koh Tao murders complete, will prosecute Zaw Lin/Wai Phyo next week.

I have wanted a trial since the arrest.

This news is going to piss off the people saying it would just disappear.

[Dogmatix]

Thai PBS TV said that the Samui prosecutor is now satisfied with the evidence he has received from the police and expects that the trail of the 2B will start by the end of next week.

[thailandchilli]

JDinasia

The very least she would do is state the obvious. The DNA collected is now not credible evidence due to the unprofessional manner in which it was collected and the invasion of the crime scene by people who should not have been there and had the opportunity to plant or remove evidence.

Edited November 28, 2014 by thailandchilli