Virtual-jail: Please provide some help

[boom1987]

You won't have any problems comming back, you can put this case behind you. No need to follow up the case. There is no linking.

He is inside Thailand now and wants to get out...

Correct.

[boom1987]

@ Mae Sai they used to let u cross without a visa into Burma for 500 baht to go see the market, great money spinner for Burmese and Thai immigration . Just give them your old passport which they keep in exchange for a slip of paper and be in your way to Yangon

Youre right skippybangkok, and I did that in 2009 as well having left my passport at home when I wanted to go shopping at mae sai. The trip from Chiangmai to Mae Sai is quite long by car, and we paid a 'fee' instead so I could get through.

Unfortunately, I went back there almost a year ago with this exact idea in mind and they weren't doing it anymore. Was gutted. The old days are behind us indeed

[boom1987]

Cross a different border, say, into Cambodia. Head to the nearest international airport, like PP, and get on the next flight to your home.

Thank you for your response DaffyDuck, I was just wondering if I would meet any problems along the way to PP Airport. Is Cambodia strict with entry and exit stamps? I suspect they may look down on me if I go to PP Airport without proper stamps, and my new NZ passport also has no Thai entry visas (it's in the old one with the 'flagged-name').

Thank you again.

I'd assume that you would present your new/name passport at the Cambodia border entrance, getting an entry stamp for Cambodia in that passport.

You would then use that same passport to leave Cambodia from the PP airport. It would, at that point, have all the required stamps, showing you entered Cambodia from Thailand, and now you'd be leaving it.

I doubt the Cambodian passport authorities care about Thailand stamps.

My understanding is that in order to get to Cambodia's border entrance, I must first go through Thailand's Border Exit. Is that correct? I am concerned that I most probably meet challenges here where the Thai side inspects my passport only to find I have no Thai Entry Stamp, yet I'm trying to leave Thailand.

If you have any information about this, I would appreciate this very much. (It seems to be relatively easy to do it...relatively)

[Gumballl]

Hi NanLaew, you've got me! My dates were wrong, very sorry about that and I'm sure most people were equally confused. Let me state it again, I bought the furniture in 2009, arrest warrant was sent to Suvanabhumi Airport in 2011 and in 2013 I changed my name and passport.

In regards to doing the name change, I did it while I was still 'trapped' in Thailand. It's quite legal and easy to do by post, but I only required the embassy to 'JP' and stamp it as a Statutory Declaration that I am changing my name freely. Submitted it, approved, then applied for a new passport. From this point onwards, all I need is an Entry Stamp to show I came in legally or some other way out of here.

The BIB and Immigration have probably read your post above, and now are on high alert (or not... who knows?).

If you were smart, you would cease/desist from conversing any more regarding this calamity of yours, for after all, you are leaving a trail of evidence where the authorities may be able to find you. What is certain is that you have publicly notified everyone with internet access that you are illegally in the country (overstayed visa), you are a NZ citizen, and you have a passport dated 2013 with no entry stamps. Regardless of your new name, there will be extra scrutiny being paid to each tourist from NZ that fits your profile.

Good luck.

[boom1987]

Hi NanLaew, you've got me! My dates were wrong, very sorry about that and I'm sure most people were equally confused. Let me state it again, I bought the furniture in 2009, arrest warrant was sent to Suvanabhumi Airport in 2011 and in 2013 I changed my name and passport.

In regards to doing the name change, I did it while I was still 'trapped' in Thailand. It's quite legal and easy to do by post, but I only required the embassy to 'JP' and stamp it as a Statutory Declaration that I am changing my name freely. Submitted it, approved, then applied for a new passport. From this point onwards, all I need is an Entry Stamp to show I came in legally or some other way out of here.

The BIB and Immigration have probably read your post above, and now are on high alert (or not... who knows?).

If you were smart, you would cease/desist from conversing any more regarding this calamity of yours, for after all, you are leaving a trail of evidence where the authorities may be able to find you. What is certain is that you have publicly notified everyone with internet access that you are illegally in the country (overstayed visa), you are a NZ citizen, and you have a passport dated 2013 with no entry stamps. Regardless of your new name, there will be extra scrutiny being paid to each tourist from NZ that fits your profile.

Good luck.

Oh ok, that's abit scary. But I suppose you're right. Thanks.

[NanLaew]

Since the old passport just disappeared along with the OP's birth identity then I assume there's no police report for loss/theft?

So how did the OP get a brand new passport in Thailand with a brand new name? I assume that the local kiwi embassy did the deed but you must have had to provide them with details of your real alter ego no? What did you tell them? Your passport was lost or stolen? Didn't they want a police report? Didn't they ask how you came to be in Thailand with a brand new identity and no travel documents?

[boom1987]

Since the old passport just disappeared along with the OP's birth identity then I assume there's no police report for loss/theft?

So how did the OP get a brand new passport in Thailand with a brand new name? I assume that the local kiwi embassy did the deed but you must have had to provide them with details of your real alter ego no? What did you tell them? Your passport was lost or stolen? Didn't they want a police report? Didn't they ask how you came to be in Thailand with a brand new identity and no travel documents?

Thank you for your questions.

Since the old passport just disappeared along with the OP's birth identity then I assume there's no police report for loss/theft?

Incorrect, the passport had expired by the time I applied for a new one. So there was no need for any stamp-stamp-sign-sign stuff.

So how did the OP get a brand new passport in TH with a brand new name?

I went to the NZ Births, Deaths & Marriges website and downloaded the name change form. Filled it out, signed it, got it witnessed by the NZ Embassy and sent it off to NZ from BKK via DHL. After that went through, then I applied for the new passport using my new name (by that time, they had my name change recorded officially).

I assume that the local kiwi embassy did the deed but you must have had to provide them with details of your real alter ego no?

Incorrect. The Embassy had nothing to do with applying for a new passport (only the witnessing of a stat. document), I sent the application direct to the Passports Office in NZ also by DHL.

What did you tell them? Your passport was lost or stolen? Didn't they want a police report?

Once my application was received, they knew my passport had expired from the pull-up data on their screens I suspect.

Didn't they ask how you came to be in Thailand with a brand new identity and no travel documents?

They as in the NZ Embassy? I'm quite sure they can put any citizens name into the system and see the entire travel history of that person on that passport and subsequent passports for NZ'ers. Whether that same information is linked to the Thai side (host nation) however, I'm yet to ascertain any definitive information.

[sdanielmcev]

I'm pretty sure helping the OP is what is called aiding and abetting a crime. His passport is forged, and he has a phony name. Instead of going through proper channels, in his arrogance he thumbed his nose at the police. Now he wants to use that arrogance to have TV members figure out for him hoe to evade the law again.

And members here complain about corruption in Thailand. Hypocrites. Can't stand 'em.

[mgjackson69]

How is his name phony? From the information that the OP has supplied, he went through legal channels to change his name.

Using his new legal name, he obtained a new passport...How is that forged?

[boom1987]

I'm pretty sure helping the OP is what is called aiding and abetting a crime. His passport is forged, and he has a phony name. Instead of going through proper channels, in his arrogance he thumbed his nose at the police. Now he wants to use that arrogance to have TV members figure out for him hoe to evade the law again.

And members here complain about corruption in Thailand. Hypocrites. Can't stand 'em.

Any human response to your statement would be with cursive words and a lesson in learning how to read before making a comment because trolling around without actually reading anything and then making a response with no actual substance is simply wasting-time and totally useless. However, since you've made claims which are entirely untrue (just like the Thai police) about myself and you seem so fired up corruption then I will say something:

1. My passport is real and genuine, it comes from the Passport Office in Wellington, New Zealand. Thursday when I go into the NZ Embassy I will show security my passport, they will look at it and confirm it, then they'll push the button for the door to open. Then, they'll take my passport and put it through their system and see this and that and know its real.
2. My name is not phony, if it were, then the NZ Government would'nt have my current name on official records such as my Birth Certificate and Passport and I highly doubt they'd even issue me a passport under a phony name.
3. I have also said multiple times that I am open to all types of discussion in order to resolve my passport issues, and never once have I excluded any chance of an official process, in fact, I am quite open to going to NACC agencies and many ThaiVisa members have supported me by standing up for myself using legal means; which I intend to do.
4. It was'nt arrogance that made me feel 'stuff the police' but common sense, for you see, whether you like it or not a receipt is proof of ownership. Your car has a receipt, it's called a Blue Book, your house has a receipt, it's called a 'Tabien Baan' and then what, person B comes along and proclaims they own your car and house when, in fact, you have the ownership documents under your name just as I do. Add abit of police pressure and then you give in? No! Well how do we know who the owner is, it's simple, we look at the ownership documents and receipts. And you talk about arrogance in the face of police corruption? Great, thats the problem with this country right there.

Members in ThaiVisa have been very helpful, they're not hypocrites, they simply understand English, know how to read properly and take their time doing so. Unlike you.

[boom1987]

How is his name phony? From the information that the OP has supplied, he went through legal channels to change his name.

Using his new legal name, he obtained a new passport...How is that forged?

I'm the OP, thank you for your support.

[sdanielmcev]

The reason you changed your name? And, yes, I read the whole sordid post. That takes care of #s 1&2.

#3 - No you're not.

#4 If all was legal, you'd have no problem explaining to the authorities. Which you can't now because in your arrogance you thought you were above them.

Have a nice day.

Btw, using police corruption as an excuse for corruption for yourself? Hypocritical.

[ATF]

For you to be in this situation you have upset someone or something similar.

If someone is blackmailing you you have no choice but to pay if you want to come back.

[Mrjlh]

Check with your lawyer. What is the "Statue of Limitations" for this warrant? I bet it is only one year. You are past that.

[Soutpeel]

Check with your lawyer. What is the "Statue of Limitations" for this warrant? I bet it is only one year. You are past that.

If there is an arrest warrant out for the OP " statue of limitations " doesn't apply

[Scully]

If you try to leave Thailand using your passport you are going to be flagged. You have no entry stamp or visa so they will want to know which passport you entered on. Changing your name and passport is sometimes used by people wanting to return after blacklisting, I've never heard of it while in the country.

Have you spoke to your embassy?.

[NanLaew]

If the OP is still in possession of the old passport AND it still has the original landing card, then armed with that, he should be able to transfer the entry stamp to the new passport at whatever Immigration office the OP is under the jurisdiction of. Since there will be two names and birth certificates needed to link Mr Dodgy's old passport to Mr Squeaky-Clean's new one, maybe the NZ Embassy and/or those buggers up at Chaeng Watthana will need to certify and stamp stuff but that should be doable. Once that is done, book but don't buy a round-trip ticket from (say) Kuala Lumpur to Auckland. Then buy a round-trip ticket Bangkok to KL and with 20,000 baht, head for the airport, show your new passport with the old stamps transferred, pay the fine, get a receipt and leave.

The reason for holding off on the long-distance r/t ticket is to limit the losses if it goes all pear-shaped and they apprehend you at Bangkok airport. The OP will be out of pocket for a 6000 baht airfare versus five times the cost of New Zealand flight.

Just a note: Since this 'warrant' was hand-delivered by this witchy woman to the airport, it all sounds very flaky with regard to having any real substance despite the OP already blowing 10k baht on an under the table immigration check on the old passport. I mean lawyers are lawyers and I am sure for 10,000 baht, he got a verbal, "Sorry, you're buggered." from the lawyer rather than anything in writing from Immigration.

I recall this recent thread where a 'simple' overstayer did something like this at the Mukdahan land/river crossing into Savanakhet, Laos. This after a long overstay and also losing his old passport and armed only with the new passport, police report and 20,000 baht. They did the stamp transfer at an office beside the main border Immigration one. This may be an option if the OP is twitchy about this 'airport warrant' and certainly save on airfares and allow a quicker, fully legal re-entry whereupon onward travel plans to NZ can be done under less duress. Note that this person refers to having "some documents that my embassy gave me" when he fronted up with no entry stamps or old passport (just a police report) so the OP should really seek counsel with the NZ consular people as a priority.

Of course if the OP does NOT have the original landing card or the passport with the entry stamp... then he's royally buggered.

[DaffyDuck]

In short - go to the embassy, and have the issue of stamps and visa sorted out by them (ie get appropriate documents) then go to chaengwattana immigration and get them properly transferred.

[katana]

Sorry, can't offer any advice offhand, but your story reminds me of UK citizen Lee Chesnut who was stuck in Thailand after a similar legal dispute with his landlord lasting three years.
He was accused of criminal damage and stealing furniture by the landlord of a property he rented in Bangkok. Eventually he got out after a long legal fight last year.
More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-21429943

[Beetlejuice]

How is his name phony? From the information that the OP has supplied, he went through legal channels to change his name.

Using his new legal name, he obtained a new passport...How is that forged?

I'm the OP, thank you for your support.

What you are doing is inquiring how you may be able to dodge the law and escape out of country. The police cannot legally impose that you remain in Thailand unless you have actually been changed with a criminal offence and a criminal court date set for you to face charges. So have you actually been charged with anything, meaning directly to you from the police?

I would like to ask you, what is your age? Over the last few years what type of visa have you been on in Thailand? And how have you been financially supporting yourself and how are you supporting yourself in Thailand? I am asking these questions to try and establish your credibility as lawfully staying in Thailand.

I am at a loss to see why you have gone through so much trouble to avoid this issue with the woman and the police? If as you allege you had all the receipts for the said furniture and proof that you could not had taken the furniture that the woman alleges you had stolen, then did you hire the services of a reputable lawyer? The story that the woman personally visited the airport with an order to stop you from leaving sounds ludicrous. Something is amiss here and just doesn`t ring true.

[DaffyDuck]

I would agree with Beetlejuice here - this would have been easier handled by handing 10,000 to a reputable lawyer, to both get this lady's accusations dismissed, and to sue her back for defamation. Thai law takes defamation very seriously, and she would have caved before you.

[mgjackson69]

I am curious, and my apologies if this has been stated, but what is the baht amount of the furniture that Ms Somying Evil-an says you stole?

[Bluetongue]

If there is a system for detaining wanted people it would not be confined to Suvarnabhumi, it

would be on the computer at all exit points and at Immigration if he went to transfer his stamps. TIT but they are not that stupid. So I think the OP should, armed with Mummies money and a lawyer have the original issues sorted out. Sorry OP that is a tongue in cheek assumption on my part. The only other thing I would gently say to the bro from across the ditch is "ah Kiwi's gotta love em" but it does explain a lot.

[JoeBlowFromUSA]

I'm pretty sure helping the OP is what is called aiding and abetting a crime. His passport is forged, and he has a phony name. Instead of going through proper channels, in his arrogance he thumbed his nose at the police. Now he wants to use that arrogance to have TV members figure out for him hoe to evade the law again.

And members here complain about corruption in Thailand. Hypocrites. Can't stand 'em.

Give him a break. He's being scammed by organized criminals posing as law enforcement.

[chrisinth]

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Who is this lady?

Unless I missed it in the op?

Hi Krisb thank you for your question, unfortunately I am unable to provide her name because it would be a breach of T&C of ThaiVisa (they're afraid of a defamation suit), however suffice to say, she is not a nice lady.

I knew her because my family helped her daughter study in NZ as an international student, and she wanted us to put our passport numbers as guarantees in her application for an education visa and to be her homestay. After time, my family did that for her and that's where we pretty much got to know each other (not enough clearly).

I also knew a few things about her that weren't quite right, for example, she is a teacher at a government university and her salary is roughly 11,000 thb per month yet she lives very 'hi-so' as they say. Her hiso income stems from helping Thai businesses avoid paying the required taxes, and as an accountant, she uses her skills to avoid taxes on their behalf. In return, her clients pay her a fee for helping them reduce this cost (I remember that one client paid her 750,000 thb just for one job)

Unfortunately, I have no proof of this but thank you for your question.

I think what Krisb was trying to say was who is this lady that would have to authority to hand-carry a letter to the airport, hand it to immigration and be able to stop someone leaving the country.

I also would wonder about that. Along with the alleged scam for 500,000 baht for furniture. Seriously? You spent that much on furniture for a rented accommodation?

(Sorry Krisb if I got that wrong)

[Mario2008]

This thread is about an illegal activity: illegally leaving Thailand.

As such this thread is closed.