German man brutally attacked in Udon Thani by 'Koh Tao copycats'

[GTI68]

Shocking! I hope this poor fella does recover.

It amazes me after 10 years in Cambodia how rife this violence is here.

If this happened in Cambodia, and it has, the Cops would be all over it. Do not attack tourists for the sake of them being foreign. Hence it is a rare occurrence.

The stupidity of these attacks surely has to be addressed in a normal human manner.

IE: Punishment for crimes committed.

[Tongdee]

Consequences in the west??? Not much in Canada. Regular muggings in Parts of Canada. Bleading hearts bleating poor childhood, disadvantaged, etc... ... ... Jails with revolving doors. That might get a 5 year sentence in Alberta for a out on parole offender who would only have to serve ONE THIRD of his sentence... A much higher percentage of thefts involve violence in Canada than here. Some parts of the west perhaps.

[bdenner]

17 and 18 yo Collage students who can't find gang rivals to beat up on. Pissed and obviously the sons of the Hi So Society. You can bet they will be released with a slap on the wrist -- It's the Effin parents who should be before the courts!

We had a great result here in Ban Dung (Udon Thani Province) about 7 years ago where a pickup loaded with 10 odd youths, driven by one of em (his father denied all knowledge giving his son to permission take the pickup), was trying to run down a couple of rivals on motor cycles. They pranged, big time, killing 8 of em, most being sons of the local BiB. NO mourning, very few attended funerals --- Som Nom Na --- End result was a great cultural change in the Amphur with very few gang related confrontations since.

[Pundi6446]

I hope the German gentleman recovers soon and doesn't die.

Also hope these scum of the earth go to prison for a very long time.

Another story of some little cowards living amongst us.

Little cowards for sure 100% as far as going to prison, for a longtime I doubt it very much, this is why such BS crimes happen

[sweatalot]

Are they sure they were Thai teenagers?

Really sure?

I guess they have severe doubts - because no Thai would commit a crime like this

[tomacht8]

Becomes more dangerous here.
I think I'm going to apply for a gun license.
Looks as foreigners can be robbed, assaulted, beaten up and killed here without any penalty.
500 baht bail and these criminals are tomorrow again outside.

[Scully]

A park in Udon early morning I thought would be one of the safest places in Thailand, I'm beginning to feel nowhere is safe. Very sad hope this poor man recovers, no one deserves this.

A lot of poor young males hate Farangs that live here all year around as they are spoiling the women and they are to poor to complete.

Here it will be your country if old man from a foreign country to wave money at the women you want to go with

The German was 25 and if you think old men get the women that young Thai men want then you are mistaken. Wealth is an issue I will admit.

[WhamBam]

Wow! Incredible.

A nasty and vicious attack from the sounds of this and totally unprovoked.

I really do hope the German guy does survive with his faculties and abilities intact.

These 3 need some severe punishment to prevent more copycat attacks.

Thank god it doesn't happen in the west...unprovoked attacks by young thugs on defenceless victims. Almost unheard of eh?

I never said that. Those are your words produced from where?

If you want to reply to my post reply to what I said, not what you think it says.

[mynameisphil]

Re: sandals.

I wear sandals because they're comfortable. I'm not gonna wear tennis shoes out of fear of having to run from a gang of Thais any more than I'm gonna wear full leathers when driving to the 7/11 on my Honda Wave. Nothing idiotic about it.

Edited November 17, 2014 by mynameisphil

[newcomer71]

Not blaming the victim. Did you ever stop to think that the Thais are getting sick and tired of drunk and obnoxious foreigners ? I sure am. I do just fine here thank you very much. After twenty years never had a single problem.

I would guess with your social skills very few people pay any attention or care.

This has nothing to do with people being drunk or obnoxious, it's just outright thuggery.

99.9999 percent of my friends are Thai i avoid foreigners because most are trouble.

Well sure it jumps to my mind the question: where do you live?

I have a good job in Bkk, I have the luck to know many great people, foreigners and Thais.

I know which places to avoid if I don't want to have anything to do with drunk and obnoxious people...

Sure, in the years I came to know some despicable subject, but sure too I did not want to crack his head open with a hoe...

You are blaming on the foreigners commenting a case where the foreigner had been assaulted for be... foreigner. Assaulters wanted to imitated their heroes: killers on Koh Tao. Nothing much to dig here.

P.s. A little advice: you should put your post AFTER quoting, not before.

[KuhnPaen]

Give it ten years and living in Thailand will be about as desirable as Somalia.

[bkkstooge]

what the hell is going on in Udon? Here, although thankfully unrelated to this evil attack, is another example of the daily going ons in UT these days

http://bangkok.coconuts.co//2014/10/03/7-senior-men-rape-3-teens

Really hope this young German guy makes a full recovery

[ClutchClark]

I hope the German gentleman recovers soon and doesn't die.

Also hope these scum of the earth go to prison for a very long time.

Another story of some little cowards living amongst us.

Little cowards for sure 100% as far as going to prison, for a longtime I doubt it very much, this is why such BS crimes happen

These guys didn't have two brain cells between the three of them to rub together.

They were living completely in the present and even the concept of getting caught had not been considered...let alone penalty.

They likely brought the hoe back home with them.

[SunsetT]

Wow! Incredible.

A nasty and vicious attack from the sounds of this and totally unprovoked.

I really do hope the German guy does survive with his faculties and abilities intact.

These 3 need some severe punishment to prevent more copycat attacks.

Thank god it doesn't happen in the west...unprovoked attacks by young thugs on defenceless victims. Almost unheard of eh?

I agree with the point you are making.......(Hope the farangs on here who dont get irony and sarcasm will see your point)

We are all out of control to a degree during our teenage years when our hormones are so messed up; especially when drink, drugs, and gang culture are added to the mix. When I think back to my misspent city youth, It really is a lottery who survives these years. This sort of violence, thought extreme I admit, could flare up in the early hours of the morning in any UK city on a Friday or Saturday night. Personally, at 62, I feel vulnerable and am on high alert anywhere at this time when there are groups of young teenage males about and I try to give them a wide berth. But I must say that Ive always found the Thai teenagers cruising on their motorbikes or hanging out in groups when Im going home alone late at night in the Esaan area pretty friendly. Ive never detected any menace.

But given the total lack of discipline and freedom most Thai kids get at home Im actually surprised this sort of thing doesnt occur more in Thailand. Especially, as others have pointed out, the large numbers of teenagers out and about. I think it must be the non harming and non killing teaching of Buddhism which permeates traditional Thai culture that prevents it. Whatever it is Im grateful for it and hope that this assault is not a sign of things to come.

[sweatalot]

Very sad indeed. Thinking about the probable brain injuries I am not even sure if I should wish for his survival.

But one little bit of positive in this terrible terrible event:

Koh Tao stays in the headlines - which it should until the case is handled properly and the real perps get their deserved punishment

I am afraid the spoiled name of this islands is slowly dropping out of focus

[MaxYakov]

I wonder if I should start getting worried? At least it gets me motivated to continue training.

As my Thai surgeon told me with a smile: Worrying is optional

Edited November 17, 2014 by MaxYakov

[stephen terry]

I'm beginning to see the sense of the RTP in avoiding sensationalising murders (except of course the Koh Tao media feeding frenzy) because they are well aware of what drunken young Thai men are capable of in showing off to their peer group how tough they are. At a fairground in Pattaya the officials and police ignore the gang fights, just wait until morning and drag off the bodies to the hospital.

There could be more such incidents...a big worry.

[zoza]

Indeed. The mind boggles. Was it totally random? Is the victim a decent looking fellow, or a tattooed meat-head. Can't help wondering that there is more to this story, and may well come to light in the near future.

Please don't try and blame the victim. Even if it makes you feel safer that it could never happen to you. These guys were carrying a hoe around. You think they didn't intend to do anything bad and just stumbled across the hoe at the same time as they saw the foreigner in the park? Clearly a case of a premeditated attack.

I really hope the German recovers without permanent disability and the courts lock these guys up for a very long time. I fear the punishment will depend on whether the foreign press get hold of this.

The article clearly stated they were carrying the hoe for protection against rival groups (gangs).

The question asked by Techikall was a reasonable one and gave no indication of blaming the victim.

I am curious if the victim had been drinking with his two friends.

so these two lads who tried to smash a young Germans head in with a hoe would not stoop so

low as to actually lie about the reason they were carrying the hoe ?

and where are you trying to go with whether the German tourist had had a drink or not

or are you trying to emulate your hero the coup leader/general/pm or puppet and intend to dispense some sage advice about bikini sorry drinking while on holiday. unprovoked means just that.

[Moonlover]

I came to live here, in Udon Thani, from Egypt. Many folks used to worry about my safety there. Well I'll tell you for free. I'm beginning to think I was a damn sight safer back there! When's the next flight out to Cairo!!!

[SoFarAndNear]

Udon Thani I really thought this place is safer. I mean far away from these Tourist things where all the bad things happens to foreigners...

A few weeks back I convinced a friend to come a few days to Udon Thani. He is coming to thailand for many years and always thought it will be boring so it tooks many years until I finally could bring him. He was absolutley surprised about Udon Thani and really liked it there also wants to spend Songkran with me at least 1 day in Udon. Sure he will read this news and now I am not sure he wants to come again.

Edited November 17, 2014 by SoFarAndNear

[Time Traveller]

Hey, let's ride around town until we find a whitey to hack to death.

Imagine, in America if the races were reversed in a crime like this. It would be global news and people would be rioting on the streets. In Thailand, this will just get swept under the carpet.

[ClutchClark]

Please don't try and blame the victim. Even if it makes you feel safer that it could never happen to you. These guys were carrying a hoe around. You think they didn't intend to do anything bad and just stumbled across the hoe at the same time as they saw the foreigner in the park? Clearly a case of a premeditated attack.

I really hope the German recovers without permanent disability and the courts lock these guys up for a very long time. I fear the punishment will depend on whether the foreign press get hold of this.

The article clearly stated they were carrying the hoe for protection against rival groups (gangs).

The question asked by Techikall was a reasonable one and gave no indication of blaming the victim.

I am curious if the victim had been drinking with his two friends.

so these two lads who tried to smash a young Germans head in with a hoe would not stoop so

low as to actually lie about the reason they were carrying the hoe ?

and where are you trying to go with whether the German tourist had had a drink or not

or are you trying to emulate your hero the coup leader/general/pm or puppet and intend to dispense some sage advice about bikini sorry drinking while on holiday. unprovoked means just that.

Hey Sherlock, why exactly do they have to lie about their reason for carrying a hoe? They have already admitted to the crime and the fact it was an unprovoked attack. (Get that gray matter working, eh.)

BTW, Thai youth carry all sorts of weapons all the time--from penguns to big guns and from icepicks to machetes. A hoe is a darned good weapon in a fight on motorbikes because it offers "reach".

As for asking about alcohol consumption, where I am going is to try and gather details so I can become well-informed.

For instance, had the young man been out drinking all night or had he just woken up to watch the sunrise? Knowing this can give an intelligent person insight into how well he may have been able to fend off the attackers and can provide clues into how seriously his injuries are.

But like I said, those are the types of questioned intelligent readers find useful so its not surprising it was lost on you.

Edited November 17, 2014 by ClutchClark

[Jeremy50]

Racial hatred is rife in this country. Any westerner who understands Thai fluently need only spend five minutes in a public place to know this.

[darrendsd]

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You've got to be worried if you happen to be a Burmese worker living in the area.

Why exactly?

Did you read the story before posting this?

They Police have arrested 3 THAI men who have CONFESSED to the crime.

I beleive this might be an example of sarcasm?

Because it has been alleged 2 Burmese have been wrongly accused of the Koh Tao murders, in case you weren't paying attention.

Yes I am aware of the Kao Tao murders thankyou

I have been paying attention, I was in particular paying attention to the part of the story that states that 3 Thai man had been arrested and confessed to this crime

So again why would the Burmese in the area be worried?

[GoNavy]

What is the punishment for crimes such as this? I read of cases on Thaivisa but never see any report on penalties. Would be nice.

[tingtongfarang]

Couple of weeks ago something happened which i have been trying to block out my mind, Around 11pm on thursday night i was working downstairs when someone started throwing beer bottles at the door,

shards of glass came through but most stayed outside...shop house,

I jumped up and shouted, seen the shadow of the bottle thrower run away so i got back to my work deciding to clear the broken glass outside in the morning,

10-15 minutes later there was a guy no tshirt- barefoot standing in the shards of glass repeatedly shouting that he,s not afraid of me, for a moment i thought to open the door but then got the feeling maybe 2-3 more were waiting each side with weapons so the door stayed locked,

i called the local rtp but they did not show up,

I should add that i have never had a problem with people around here and have really no idea who this idiot was.

[ExPratt]

I wonder if the" Two Thai friends" helped him out

[dotpoom]

...is it hatred, stupidity, wickedness? Maybe a combination.

It's Alcohol.....doubt it would have happened if sober.

[Bluespunk]

The article clearly stated they were carrying the hoe for protection against rival groups (gangs).

The question asked by Techikall was a reasonable one and gave no indication of blaming the victim.

I am curious if the victim had been drinking with his two friends.

Carrying a hoe for protection, yeah right.

That's what every well hard teenager does. Nothing looks cooler than a hoe in your hand.

Don't think that story carries any truth whatsoever, in fact I'd say its just BS.

As for whether the German was drinking or not, why is that relevant?

He wants to drink he can, it's not a crime, whereas unprovoked, premeditated, violent assault with a deadly weapon is.

Why do you always look for argument and make more of a simple inquiry than exists?

I simply asked if the German was drinking for the same reason I asked to know the actual time of the attack.

Why? Because I like to know as many details as I can about an incident so I can learn from it and make educated, well informed opinions.

Obviously, not a priority of many TV members.

Good enough reason or do I need your permission in the future?

Yer killin' me Blues.

Nothing in my post or any previous post has suggested anything except this appears to be a violent assault against an innocent man.

As for your claim that theses suspects would not have been carrying around a hoe for protection from rivals?

Why not?

These guys carry guns and knives all the time. It does not seem out of the ordinary at all they would be carrying a weapon at that hour of night.

CC, seriously, how does whether the German had been drinking or not affect our understanding of the story?

He was assaulted in a cowardly and vicious manner by thugs.

Whether he was drinking or not is completely irrelevant.

As for the vicious little thugs reason given for carrying the hoe around, come on, no way is that even in the same solar system as the truth. It's utter BS.

If you felt I was insinuating you were justifying this attack, I apologise, that was not my intent.

My reference to the violent actions of the thugs who assaulted the victim was merely intended as a contrast to any drinking he may or may not have done.

He was doing nothing wrong and they had every intention of hurting someone.

Anyone would do as long as they were defenseless and {as the OP would appear to allege} foreign.

[ClutchClark]

I wonder if the" Two Thai friends" helped him out

The article said the Germans friends sustained wounds--one would assume they were from protecting their friend.

The article said the two assaulters friends helped him in the attack.

Maybe the link was not working for you?