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'Would you prefer "Gentle Giant?"'

Thats a silly reply.

I would have preffered 'Mr Brown', that would have shown some respect. But I figure there's not much of that over there.

No more silly than someone reading a news report and dismissing the facts and everything in it ("tells me enough"), because there was a missing honorific in the article.

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I would have preffered 'Mr Brown', that would have shown some respect.

Mr Brown attacked a police officer. How much respect does he deserve?

It's a human life, simple as that.

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I was inclined to think the police officer was culpable, but apparently the Grand Jury didn't and they heard all the evidence. The standard for a Grand Jury is relatively low, since the officer would still have to be tried in court.

The US has a Black President and a Black Attorney General, if there was political pressure on the Grand Jury, it would have been toward indicting him. The fact that he wasn't indicted seems to be a very fair and just decision.

That's totally incorrect to assume that the President and A.G. have any power at all over that level of decision. Decisions of this kind are always biased against charging police officers. I have no idea personally whether he should have been charged or not. Just rejecting your theory as to why.

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And who says America is color-blind? Race relations in the good ole USA just never seems to improve. And whether this verdict is just or not, it will only make the African-American community trust law enforcement even less....not that there was much trust there to begin with. It's a vicious circle. And with all those guns floating around....what a freakin mess America is.

This isn't about color. Brown had just robbed a convenience store. The officer approached in his car. Brown reached into the car and began beating the officer. The officer testified that he didn't believe he could take more beating without losing consciousness. Remember, Brown was huge.

The officer fired two shots from inside his car hitting Brown in the arm. Brown left and the officer followed. Brown turned and lunged at the officer and died from a serious case of lead poisoning which was justified by the officer.

Pic of the officer. Reuters

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"Brown, an 18-year-old African American, was shot dead after he was pulled over by the Mr Wilson in August while walking down the middle of the road with a friend, Dorian Johnson.
Mr Wilson says Brown leant through his window and attacked him, at which time two shots were fired, once of them hitting Brown's arm. According to Mr Wilson, Brown then ran away, stopped and turned to lunge at him, at which point he shot Brown at least six times.
According to evidence presented Brown and his friend had been earlier stolen cigars from a local store, and Mr Wilson considered them suspects for the theft." (From above news post)
It was explained thoroughly to the grand jury which saw and heard all of the evidence.
There was blood in the officer's car and wounds to his face from Brown leaning into his car and attacking him. The officer then fired twice, hitting Brown in the arm. The officer stated that due to the size of Brown he didn't think he could take a third blow to the face without losing consciousness so he fired.
Brown left, the officer followed and Brown turned back to attack the officer. That's when the idiot got himself shot. Brown was way too big for the officer to handle physically, Brown had punched the officer wounding him, and when he turned and came back the officer had NO obligation to accept any more bodily injury from Brown.
End of.

Not quite the same version of events that numerous witnesses put forward that was completely ignored.

You have clung clearly to the white/police/justice department version of events.

Maybe because you personally prefer the white version.

For whatever that reason may be.

Racism?

"Numerous witnesses" were found to be lying when the forensic people got to work. Early in the reports it was said Brown was shot in the back. That was quickly discredited by the lack of bullet wounds in the back.

Other false statements were proven false by forensics.

We have to deal with the now, after the entire investigation is shown to the grand jury and they deliberate on the real facts.

You are still dealing with early rumors that don't match the evidence.

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I would have preffered 'Mr Brown', that would have shown some respect.

Mr Brown attacked a police officer. How much respect does he deserve?

unarmed mister brown was gunned down dead by a police officer sworn to serve and protect the public.

although going off the photo just above officer wilson's wounds and injuries were clearly such that he felt his life was in danger so needed to pump 12 bullets at the unarmed mister brown. oh no wait hang on, he's got what looks like at worst a touch of sunburn.

all US citizens deserve some level of respect and fair treatment, but young black males are not getting that. they are getting shot dead by white cops. if US cops killed white youths at the same rate they kill black youths they would kill 185 a week (source).

and yet again the fox news propaganda machine will churn into overdrive and wonder why black people are rioting and blame it on lack of education as they usually do. it's obscene that this is happening in america in 2014.

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The bigger picture is that blacks and Latinos are treated very shabbily by police in the USA. I think this is a reflection of that even if the officer correctly wasn't charged (I have no opinion on that). There is room for improvement in the justice system and how it is applied unequally towards minorities.

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Yes they have and the Black Plague has once again engulfed the U.S. form coast to coast, burning/shooting/destroying everything in their path. The proper order is " shoot to kill " but gutless authorities won't issue such an order. Watch out Thailand, I see more and more black faces here !

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Isn't it interesting how certain people just can not accept the truth? That not matter what anyone says, they are right and everyone is wrong. The Grand Jury in this case "saw ALL the evidence", we did not. They heard "ALL" the testimonies, we (the Public) did not. They heard more evidence than what is normally presented by the Prosecution beyond anything the US justice system has ever seen before. A Grand Jury is comprised from 16-23 people, you are "one" person. Their conclusion is there was NOT enough evidence nor was there sufficient cause to press charges in this case. Case "Closed".

It's also interesting how worlds away people are passing judgement of an event they "only" read in the newspapers and what they saw on TV. People who have never even been in the US and have no clue as to what low income life is like there. They don't see the racism nor the hate that certain ethnic group generate even though it happens in their own country. There were several documented reports that described and detailed the history of the neighborhood that Mr. Brown grew up. Drugs and gangs where prevalent and they are currently the ones causing the riots in Ferguson.

What is totally amazing how certain people have made a hero ( martyr) out of a person who on "video" committed a Felony assault and robbery. Then assaulted a Police Officer. Seems we really have really good examples of winners of the "Darwin Award". Most are the ones rioting in Ferguson.

Did you not listen to all the witness statements after the incident that was blasted out across most of the media?

Are you totally unaware of the amount of police shootings actually caught on camera where the police are almost always given full immunity from prosecution?

There is very little justice against loose cannons on the police payroll. The people suffer, their families suffer the communities suffer.

This is a cancer that needs to be uprooted.... period. But like everything else, nothing will be done until there is a massive backlash and even more suffering.

Once again all the witness testimonies have been completely ignored.... So much for your fantastic view of the US justice system... It is corrupt beyond belief in favour of the rich and the police. The only people who face the full weight of the law in the US is the poor people and mostly blacks and Hispanics.... Don't even try to deny it.

So blatant is the US justice system's disregard for real justice that there are even CCTV and cellphone footages of police flagrantly shooting unarmed people in the back multiple times while they were surrendering.... result from your superb grand juries in almost all cases?..... Not guilty... Officers reacted within procedure....... My arse!!

There is little wonder that it is all blowing up in their faces now..... it's about time.

I suppose you are going to come back at me now much in the same way you whine about the people in your very first sentence because they don't share YOUR personal opinion.

Obviously unlike yourself, I have done a lot more research on this very issue than you yourself..... Youtube is your friend. Watch and learn, then come back.

Thank you for confirming my post. Obviously it was not read with open eyes but that's par for the course. You and all that agree with you...WIN!!! Enjoy...

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Of course not that's the only reason they gathered there, an indictment would have been a disappointment.

However, it's good to see that justice prevails in the USA in spite of those lunatics.

Justice only pevails if Officer Wilson is relieved of his badge. But I agree that you can not hold the officer guilty of a crime in this particular instance, just hold him accountable for not having the needed judgement to serve as an armed officer of the law.

Where do you get that? The officer was justified. He just did his job.

he's a police officer. his job is to protect and serve. not pump six bullets into an unarmed american citizen. whatever the colour of their skin.

How would you have handled this incident, if Brown had been using you as a punching bag and trying to relieve you of your duty weapon?

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Where do you get that? The officer was justified. He just did his job.

he's a police officer. his job is to protect and serve. not pump six bullets into an unarmed american citizen. whatever the colour of their skin.

How would you have handled this incident, if Brown had been using you as a punching bag and trying to relieve you of your duty weapon?

i'm not a policeman. therefore i'm not trained in numerous ways of restraining, overpowering and apprehending people. but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs.

and to go back to the medical inspection photo of officer wilson, "punching bag" is a bit of a stretch no? there isn't a bloody mark on him.

12 bullets. he was so afraid of this unarmed kid who had run away from him after he'd already shot him through the hand that he banged a total of 12 bullets into him. you really want people that unstable and incapable guarding the streets? actually don't bother answering that if you're a white person.

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Michael Brown shooting: Ferguson grand jury does not indict officer Darren Wilson

Nick O'Malley

US correspondent for Fairfax Media

A white police officer will not face charges over the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager in August.

Amid rising tensions on the streets of Ferguson, a St Louis County grand jury declined to indict officer Darren Wilson, 28, for firing shots that killed 18-year-old Michael Brown, St Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch said.

Brown, an 18-year-old African American, was shot dead after he was pulled over by the Mr Wilson in August while walking down the middle of the road with a friend, Dorian Johnson.

Mr Wilson says Brown leant through his window and attacked him, at which time two shots were fired, once of them hitting Brown's arm. According to Mr Wilson, Brown then ran away, stopped and turned to lunge at him, at which point he shot Brown at least six times.

According to evidence presented Brown and his friend had been earlier stolen cigars from a local store, and Mr Wilson considered them suspects for the theft.

His friend Mr Johnson said Brown was first shot as he fled and was attempting to surrender with his hands in the air when the fatal shots were fired.

Full story: http://www.theage.com.au/world/michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-grand-jury-does-not-indict-officer-darren-wilson-20141125-11t59w.html

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-- The Age 2014-11-25

The riots were going to happen regardless of what the grand jury handed down imho. I'm definitely more interested in when they plan to release the grand jury transcripts. It would be nice to know what really happened instead of all the racially charged speculation.

The evidence is being released now. It can be found on the St. Louis Public Radio web site at http://apps.stlpublicradio.org/ferguson-project/evidence.html.

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Where do you get that? The officer was justified. He just did his job.

he's a police officer. his job is to protect and serve. not pump six bullets into an unarmed american citizen. whatever the colour of their skin.

How would you have handled this incident, if Brown had been using you as a punching bag and trying to relieve you of your duty weapon?

i'm not a policeman. therefore i'm not trained in numerous ways of restraining, overpowering and apprehending people. but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs.

and to go back to the medical inspection photo of officer wilson, "punching bag" is a bit of a stretch no? there isn't a bloody mark on him.

12 bullets. he was so afraid of this unarmed kid who had run away from him after he'd already shot him through the hand that he banged a total of 12 bullets into him. you really want people that unstable and incapable guarding the streets? actually don't bother answering that if you're a white person.

I know you're not a "policeman." By your response, I would guess you are a very naive person, who is probably very kind.

"Don't bother answering that if you're a white person." What's up with that statement? Why do you dislike white people? I'm starting to think, there should be some sort of psycological screening process before people are allowed to post messages on this site.

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he's a police officer. his job is to protect and serve. not pump six bullets into an unarmed american citizen. whatever the colour of their skin.

How would you have handled this incident, if Brown had been using you as a punching bag and trying to relieve you of your duty weapon?

i'm not a policeman. therefore i'm not trained in numerous ways of restraining, overpowering and apprehending people. but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs.

and to go back to the medical inspection photo of officer wilson, "punching bag" is a bit of a stretch no? there isn't a bloody mark on him.

12 bullets. he was so afraid of this unarmed kid who had run away from him after he'd already shot him through the hand that he banged a total of 12 bullets into him. you really want people that unstable and incapable guarding the streets? actually don't bother answering that if you're a white person.

I know you're not a "policeman." By your response, I would guess you are a very naive person, who is probably very kind.

"Don't bother answering that if you're a white person." What's up with that statement? Why do you dislike white people? I'm starting to think, there should be some sort of psycological screening process before people are allowed to post messages on this site.

To be fair, the news article is the thing that has made the colour distinction. White officer, black teenager.

Plus a more-than-just-perceived attitude of racialism in American law enforcement.

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Where do you get that? The officer was justified. He just did his job.

he's a police officer. his job is to protect and serve. not pump six bullets into an unarmed american citizen. whatever the colour of their skin.

How would you have handled this incident, if Brown had been using you as a punching bag and trying to relieve you of your duty weapon?

i'm not a policeman. therefore i'm not trained in numerous ways of restraining, overpowering and apprehending people. but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs.

and to go back to the medical inspection photo of officer wilson, "punching bag" is a bit of a stretch no? there isn't a bloody mark on him.

12 bullets. he was so afraid of this unarmed kid who had run away from him after he'd already shot him through the hand that he banged a total of 12 bullets into him. you really want people that unstable and incapable guarding the streets? actually don't bother answering that if you're a white person.

" but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs. "thumbsup.gif

In the announcement on television given by the prosecutor this morning, he didn't seem able to answer many of the reporters questions because of procedural limitations but I'm waiting to read or hear more about the circumstances regarding the different stages of the six shots that were fired.

From the moment the first shot was fired by the police officer up until the sixth shot there must have been some discernible loss of bodily functions by the victim? In other words, no matter how threatening Michael Brown was at the beginning, after he received the first two or three shots surely as an unarmed man he would have been rendered considerably less able to cause serious injury to the police officer?

And if that still wasn't the case, why didn't the police officer substitute his gun for a taser or some other less lethal weapon?

Or why didn't the police officer fire at his two ankles or his two legs?

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" but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs. "thumbsup.gif

In the announcement on television given by the prosecutor this morning, he didn't seem able to answer many of the reporters questions because of procedural limitations but I'm waiting to read or hear more about the circumstances regarding the different stages of the six shots that were fired.

From the moment the first shot was fired by the police officer up until the sixth shot there must have been some discernible loss of bodily functions by the victim? In other words, no matter how threatening Michael Brown was at the beginning, after he received the first two or three shots surely as an unarmed man he would have been rendered considerably less able to cause serious injury to the police officer?

And if that still wasn't the case, why didn't the police officer substitute his gun for a taser or some other less lethal weapon?

Or why didn't the police officer fire at his two ankles or his two legs?

Yeah, Maybe Officer Wilson should have shot Brown's foot or at least his big toe so he couldn't get away. I think you have been watching too many police movies.

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Can't resist a post--

'just came from the US and although somewhat a snowbird now, my first 'visit' was in 1969 and I have been back here very-very many times since and hope for a few more.

The Executive branch has used the race card to leverage everything in the USA, after promising to heal the divide and about a 1k other lies.

The people in Ferguson, nearby where I once lived for a year, have be co-opted by the racist fringe; sic black panther, NAACP, etc, and have been done no favors by the media. This crap is a farce.

The USA is lots of things, certainly not all good, but this issue is not endemic. Things will resolve themselves.

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" but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs. "thumbsup.gif

In the announcement on television given by the prosecutor this morning, he didn't seem able to answer many of the reporters questions because of procedural limitations but I'm waiting to read or hear more about the circumstances regarding the different stages of the six shots that were fired.

From the moment the first shot was fired by the police officer up until the sixth shot there must have been some discernible loss of bodily functions by the victim? In other words, no matter how threatening Michael Brown was at the beginning, after he received the first two or three shots surely as an unarmed man he would have been rendered considerably less able to cause serious injury to the police officer?

And if that still wasn't the case, why didn't the police officer substitute his gun for a taser or some other less lethal weapon?

Or why didn't the police officer fire at his two ankles or his two legs?

Yeah, Maybe Officer Wilson should have shot Brown's foot or at least his big toe so he couldn't get away. I think you have been watching too many police movies.

No because usually in the police movies the baddies are armedermm.gif

In my country a police officer has an obligation not to take the life of someone unless it is absolutely necessary

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" but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs. "thumbsup.gif

In the announcement on television given by the prosecutor this morning, he didn't seem able to answer many of the reporters questions because of procedural limitations but I'm waiting to read or hear more about the circumstances regarding the different stages of the six shots that were fired.

From the moment the first shot was fired by the police officer up until the sixth shot there must have been some discernible loss of bodily functions by the victim? In other words, no matter how threatening Michael Brown was at the beginning, after he received the first two or three shots surely as an unarmed man he would have been rendered considerably less able to cause serious injury to the police officer?

And if that still wasn't the case, why didn't the police officer substitute his gun for a taser or some other less lethal weapon?

Or why didn't the police officer fire at his two ankles or his two legs?

Yeah, Maybe Officer Wilson should have shot Brown's foot or at least his big toe so he couldn't get away. I think you have been watching too many police movies.

He's obviously never tried to hit a moving target with a hand gun.

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I would have preffered 'Mr Brown', that would have shown some respect.

Mr Brown attacked a police officer. How much respect does he deserve?

unarmed mister brown was gunned down dead by a police officer sworn to serve and protect the public.

although going off the photo just above officer wilson's wounds and injuries were clearly such that he felt his life was in danger so needed to pump 12 bullets at the unarmed mister brown. oh no wait hang on, he's got what looks like at worst a touch of sunburn.

all US citizens deserve some level of respect and fair treatment, but young black males are not getting that. they are getting shot dead by white cops. if US cops killed white youths at the same rate they kill black youths they would kill 185 a week (source).

and yet again the fox news propaganda machine will churn into overdrive and wonder why black people are rioting and blame it on lack of education as they usually do. it's obscene that this is happening in america in 2014.

Fair enough on your point of view. Open a new thread on statistics and I'll give you 20 violent black crimes to every single violent crime committed by a non-black person. I'll also give you a run for your money on the lack of coverage by the major media outlets on hate speech protection of black civil rights leaders and such "terrorist" groups as the Black Panthers, and mostly the general population of black teens and preteens on Facebook and Twitter.

Black people in the USA have been given quite enough leeway to get ahead. I don't have time to show the extremely uneven and unfair favoritism that have been given in advantages at all levels of living, working, educating, etc. in the USA, let alone seeking asylum there and other perks which allow them to immigrate to the USA and remain. The sole factor for their sorrows is themselves. They only have themselves to blame, whether they are quarreling from within or striking out at anyone who is not black.

It's all about behavior and attitude, SH. And it all begins at home, from birth until the time they are able to step outside and see a white person or a police officer for the first time... and the same goes to white people for that matter? Totally different behaviors and attitudes reflected in the twain.

Behavior and attitude. What is getting pumped into their heads before they are able to step outside and see a white person or a police officer for the first time... and the same goes to white people for that matter? Totally different behaviors and attitudes reflected in the twain.

Why is it that when a white kid behaves and has an attitude like your average black kid, he sounds ridiculous, looks ridiculous and is an embarrassment to me and even to the blacks he is trying so hard to gain approval from? Both whites and blacks avoid him like he is someone's pet. Theirs.

Why is it that when a black person behaves and has an attitude like your average white kid, he sounds rationale and is a joy to be around, and is accepted by me and the whites without trying at all to gain approval from us? Whites accept him and blacks reject him, abuse him physically and verbally and psychologically, and even murder him in some cases. Only in extreme cases do whites turn on whites. Moreover, we simply ignore this apparition of an embarrassment and shake our heads in disgust. With blacks, it is a hard, cold fact that a reckoning will come to any black that behaves like an "Uncle Tom", or "Cracker Lover". They even have labels for this. I do not know if whites have labels for this other than "ridiculous" or "idiot" or "loser".

If I were to challenge you to a name competition, and to ask you to give similar names to the likes of such revered and quoted black figures as the very "Reverend" Al Sharpton, the very "Reverend" Jackson, "Dr." Muhammad Khalif, Khalid Abdul Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan, etc. (Note to self: look up the definition for "Terrorism" in the Oxford Dictionary again). You would only be able to dig into such white cesspool crack pots like Neo-Nazi leaders, etc. You would not find one white person in office who says the same things publicly on the major media channels that the majority of these blacks get to say... and do say.

No... I think that your way of thinking is one of the major reasons that needs to be re-evaluated with factual, intellectual statistics and focus on behaviors and attitudes, and where those behaviors and attitudes originate from.

Just my take on your views.

Respect...wai2.gif

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" but i believe they have things like pepper spray, tasers, extendable batons and ziplocks. sometimes even handcuffs. "thumbsup.gif

In the announcement on television given by the prosecutor this morning, he didn't seem able to answer many of the reporters questions because of procedural limitations but I'm waiting to read or hear more about the circumstances regarding the different stages of the six shots that were fired.

From the moment the first shot was fired by the police officer up until the sixth shot there must have been some discernible loss of bodily functions by the victim? In other words, no matter how threatening Michael Brown was at the beginning, after he received the first two or three shots surely as an unarmed man he would have been rendered considerably less able to cause serious injury to the police officer?

And if that still wasn't the case, why didn't the police officer substitute his gun for a taser or some other less lethal weapon?

Or why didn't the police officer fire at his two ankles or his two legs?

Yeah, Maybe Officer Wilson should have shot Brown's foot or at least his big toe so he couldn't get away. I think you have been watching too many police movies.

He's obviously never tried to hit a moving target with a hand gun.

How fast can a person run after he has already been shot three or is it four times?

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