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Even when something positive about Thailand gets posted, a chorus of misery generally forms to discuss how our must be a lie, or they're sure to mess it up because it's Thailand, or things will be as bad as ever in a few months, just you wait.

Petrol is down to pre 2009 prices (91 @33bht/l and E20 @ 31bht/l)

You can't get more positive than that.

Any misery?

Us mostly being her for younger Thai women, most of us entirely happy with that.

Any misery?

(only from you, as far as I can see)

Reserving a place in food courts

Any misery?

(again only from you)

Seems to me you are the negative and miserable one.

We are all happy with the women, the food courts, and the petrol prices.

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Like the United States and Britain Thailand is likely a mythical country or at best it is an invisible one that cannot be seen such as Tlon, Zembla, Orbis Tertius and the like, countries about which we know only from observations of subtle phenomenon in the reflections of certain mirrors which only by inference indicate these invisible lands. Either way, it is not possible to see Thailand in the way that one might observe ones present surroundings. We hear about countries such as Thailand and America via our entertainment channels and there is much literature that builds an excellent case for the existance of these places but there is no conclusive proof and there may not be anything to see anyway even if we eventually do see the place. We can always hope tho, I suppose.

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Being positive is over-rated. Nothing wrong with being negative and critical, it means you're thinking, and using your intellect. I suppose people like positive Jerry exist, but they're so boring, and usually very parochial.

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There is nothing to go back to, and you would not know how to live your life in your old home country anyway.

Very true. My home country is now a place I don't recognise, and I feel a stranger in my own land.

I'll share a couple of anecdotes to illustrate how my country is not one I recognize anymore after decades abroad .....

I'm back home and caught out without cash (ok, i come from the times when you actually had to have money to buy/pay for things),

and trying to use my credit card at the gas station. Another motorist observes that I'm having difficulty with the swipe to pay feature

at the pump and volunteers to assist. Bang, done in a second. When I thanked him he asked me "Do you mind me asking what planet

you've been on"?

Another one .... was in the grocery store (using cash as I do) and come to the checkout. Everything is going just fine until

the clerk asks "Will that be plastic" ... duh, me thinks (plastic = credit card) and reply "No I'll pay cash". She practically

fell off her stool laughing as she actually wanted to know if I wanted paper or plastic bags.

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Being positive is over-rated. Nothing wrong with being negative and critical, it means you're thinking, and using your intellect. I suppose people like positive Jerry exist, but they're so boring, and usually very parochial.

Nothing wrong with being critical but negativity means focusing on the bad, This must have a negative effect on a person's outlook which in turn causes unhappiness.

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Being positive is over-rated. Nothing wrong with being negative and critical, it means you're thinking, and using your intellect. I suppose people like positive Jerry exist, but they're so boring, and usually very parochial.

Nothing wrong with being critical but negativity means focusing on the bad, This must have a negative effect on a person's outlook which in turn causes unhappiness.

Possibly. But then again constantly focussing on the positive in an intentional way means you stop being critical. I suppose somewhere in the middle is the ideal, not too negative, but also not to positive. That was my point.

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Being positive is over-rated. Nothing wrong with being negative and critical, it means you're thinking, and using your intellect. I suppose people like positive Jerry exist, but they're so boring, and usually very parochial.

Nothing wrong with being critical but negativity means focusing on the bad, This must have a negative effect on a person's outlook which in turn causes unhappiness.

Possibly. But then again constantly focussing on the positive in an intentional way means you stop being critical. I suppose somewhere in the middle is the ideal, not too negative, but also not to positive. That was my point.

If one cannot change it then one should not dwell on it.

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As long as one of the best posts ever on this forum is plagiarism without attribution and is probably total fiction from the get go, here is my version:

When the 3 armed men entered Jerry's restaurant, he was able to wrestle the gun out of the hands of one of the 3 robbers and shot the f*()kers dead on the spot.

It matters not where the message came from but what it contains.

Clearly it went over ....many heads......jeeezzzz

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I think most people who settle in Thailand (like me) have been to Thailand one or a couple of times before. They of course fell in love with the place with all the smiles, sun, beaches, food and plenty of other things to enjoy, all for a very affordable budget.

When they come here to settle then, they may have dreams of starting this or that business, meeting other Thai people and becoming a part of Thai society, in some way or another.

After staying here for a while they start to see the deeper side of Thai society, That is when they already have settled in, bought a house or two, started a business etc....

Now the full scale of Thai corruption and cronyism is revealed, as well as the importance of having connections in whatever business you try, and other ugly sides of Thai society, for example the fact that no matter how much you try to mix in or learn Thai language, you will always be a "farang" in the derogatory meaning (yes it has a derogatory meaning if expressed in the right context).

No doors will be opened for you. No opportunities will present themselves because those opportunities are reserved for the Thai elite and their cronies in the never-ending circle of cronyism and corruption. Try entering a bidding for any project and one will see.

By this time you have been here too long or invested too much to just take a hike, all that you had in your home country is gone. There is nothing to go back to, and you would not know how to live your life in your old home country anyway.

Your initial love for Thailand and your ambition to make some positive contribution to Thai society and business and to make a honest business in this country are by now long gone.

By all means, all this can be ignored if all you want to do is be happily retired and live in complete ignorance of what is happening around you and the state of the country which you fell in love with a long time ago.

THE ESSENCE OF IT ALL. Eighter the Farang understands it or not. Simple. Can't see the purpose of any further discussion concerning this subject.

Cheers.

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You Have Two Choices

Jerry is the manager of a restaurant. He is always in a good mood.

When someone would ask him how he was doing, he would always reply:

'If I were any better, I would be twins!' Many of the waiters at his restaurant quit their jobs when he changed jobs, so they could follow him around from restaurant to restaurant.

Why?

Because Jerry was a natural motivator.

If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was always there, telling him how to look on the positive side of the situation. Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went up to Jerry and asked him:

'I don't get it! No one can be a positive person all of the time. How do you do it?'

Jerry replied, 'Each morning I wake up and say to myself, I have two choices today. I can choose to be in a good mood or I can choose to be in a bad mood.

I always choose to be in a good mood. Each time something bad happens, I can choose to be victim or I can choose to learn from it. I always choose to learn from it.

Every time someone comes to me complaining, I can choose to accept their complaining or I can point out the positive side of life. I always choose the positive side of life.'

'But it's not always that easy,' I protested.

...(videVfl2)

'Yes it is,' Jerry said.

'Life is all about choices. When you cut away all the junk every situation is a choice.

You choose how you react to situations.

You choose how people will affect your mood.

You choose to be in a good mood or bad mood.

It's your choice how you live your life.'

Several years later, I heard that Jerry accidentally did something you are never supposed to do in the restaurant business. He left the back door of his restaurant open And then in the morning, he was robbed by three armed men. While Jerry trying to open the safe box, his hand, shaking from nervousness, slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot him.

Luckily, Jerry was found quickly and rushed to the hospital.

After 18 hours of surgery and weeks of intensive care, Jerry was released from the hospital with fragments of the bullets still in his body....

I saw Jerry about six months after the accident.

When I asked him how he was, he replied, 'If I were any better, I'd be twins. Want to see my scars?' I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone through his mind as the robbery took place.

'The first thing that went through my mind was that I should have locked the back door,' Jerry replied. 'Then, after they shot me, as I lay on the floor, I remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to live or could choose to die. I chose to live.'

'Weren't you scared' I asked?

Jerry continued, 'The paramedics were great. They kept telling me I was going to be fine.

But when they wheeled me into the Emergency Room and I saw the expression on the faces of the doctors and nurses, I got really scared. In their eyes, I read 'He's a dead man. I knew I needed to take action.'

'What did you do?' I asked.

'Well, there was a big nurse shouting questions at me,' said Jerry. 'She asked if I was allergic to anything.' 'Yes,' to bullets, I replied.

Over their laughter, I told them: 'I am choosing to live. Please operate on me as if I am alive, not dead.'

'Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also because of his amazing attitude.

I learned from him that every day you have the choice to either enjoy your life or to hate it.

The only thing that is truly yours - that no one can control or take from you - is your attitude,

so if you can take care of that, everything else in life becomes much easier.

Now you have two choices to make:

1. You can ignore this message or

2. You can learn and apply the lessons from this story.

Script from a US-Soap Opera. Choices in live are like this: An ATM fortified Falang in Thailand has possibly to make a daily excruciating decision as of on what Golf-Course am I going to play today.

At the same time and also on a daily basis, a black woman, living in the land of the free and having the misfortune to be born on the wrong side of town, including her children, have NO choice in live.

So much for choice in live in the country of the free and brave.

Another choice in life is a young Thai-Female still working in the Rice-Paddy instead of............! They get a big Way from me. They don't know why I do this, but I know why I do it. Has to to do with respect and "choices in life".

Cheers.

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Script from a US-Soap Opera. Choices in live are like this: An ATM fortified Falang in Thailand has possibly to make a daily excruciating decision as of on what Golf-Course am I going to play today.

At the same time and also on a daily basis, a black woman, living in the land of the free and having the misfortune to be born on the wrong side of town, including her children, have NO choice in live.

So much for choice in live in the country of the free and brave.

Another choice in life is a young Thai-Female still working in the Rice-Paddy instead of............! They get a big Way from me. They don't know why I do this, but I know why I do it. Has to to do with respect and "choices in life".

Cheers.

More Than 4.5 Million African Americans Now Hold a Four-Year College Degree.

Barrack Obama is the first Black American President.

List of Black colleges in USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historically_black_colleges_and_universities

As of the 2010 Census, black households had a median income of $32,068, which places the median black household within the second income quintile. 27.3% of black households earn an income between $25,000 and $50,000, 15.2% earn between $50,000 and $75,000, 7.6% earn between $75,000 and $100,000, and 9.4% earn more than $100,000.

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I first came to Thailand in 1975 as a young man and fell in love with it. Still in love with it today. I like most things about it, obviously not everything is perfect but thats life.

I have often wondered why there are so many negative comments and complainers on this site in particular and come to the conclusion that a) some people, more than some in fact are bitter because they made bad judgement in regard to women and money. B) some people just expect their new home to change for them instead of adapting to their new country, c) Some people are clearly arrogant d) misunderstanding through poor communication.

Immigration is clearly another source of frustration sometimes because like all immigration centres around the world there are some aholes but generally I have found that if you are reasonably dressed, polite, smile and ask for advice they are accomodating and helpful. At the end of the day where do you find people hopping in and out over the border at will, getting ED visas without studying, working illigally on one tourist visa after another and so on. Yes there is a crackdown once in a while, so what, how long does that last. Put on a smile and go with the flow.

So you have to pay the police tea money once in a while, so what, how many times do you drive without a helmet or break some other law where they turn a blind eye.

Not to long ago we had a coup, martial law, we are run by a junta but in reality you would'nt really know it. Governments in the U.K and USA are far more secretive, corrupt and oppressive than here. Lets face it, Thailand is a country trying to emerge from the third world and for most Thais its a struggle but for most foreigners its easy and cheap. For this we pay a price, some Thais think we are walking banks, what more would you expect, some see us as badmouth, badly dressed and drunken louts, take a look around, its not surprising.

So this is the way it is, get used to it or leave. I'm staying, I love it.

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OP, no, they don't come here and become miserable.

They were miserable all their lives, rejected by their own people, so come to Thailand to spread the disease they are suffering from.


This IS the truth, nothing but the truth.

Did you ever notice how the 'miserable gang' get together to sing their pitiful hosannas against a happy post?


Rejects, they are.

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Script from a US-Soap Opera. Choices in live are like this: An ATM fortified Falang in Thailand has possibly to make a daily excruciating decision as of on what Golf-Course am I going to play today.

At the same time and also on a daily basis, a black woman, living in the land of the free and having the misfortune to be born on the wrong side of town, including her children, have NO choice in live.

So much for choice in live in the country of the free and brave.

Another choice in life is a young Thai-Female still working in the Rice-Paddy instead of............! They get a big Way from me. They don't know why I do this, but I know why I do it. Has to to do with respect and "choices in life".

Cheers.

More Than 4.5 Million African Americans Now Hold a Four-Year College Degree.

Barrack Obama is the first Black American President.

List of Black colleges in USA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historically_black_colleges_and_universities

As of the 2010 Census, black households had a median income of $32,068, which places the median black household within the second income quintile. 27.3% of black households earn an income between $25,000 and $50,000, 15.2% earn between $50,000 and $75,000, 7.6% earn between $75,000 and $100,000, and 9.4% earn more than $100,000.

Why is it that in the land of the free they refer to people as Black, White, etc.?

But, Farang is a dirty word?

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Racism, dual pricing ONLY in the LOS?

Even their President is color coded!!!!!

Yuk, such garbage!

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You now when someone is actually truly miserable, they do their damnedest to destroy everyone else's, look for reasons and excuses to destroy and ridicule others, the reason is simple, they are jealous that you have a life,that you have succeeded where they have failed.

"Misery loves Company" is a well known saying, and that explains the full bar stools in so many places.

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You Have Two Choices

Jerry is the manager of a restaurant. He is always in a good mood.

When someone would ask him how he was doing, he would always reply:

'If I were any better, I would be twins!' Many of the waiters at his restaurant quit their jobs when he changed jobs, so they could follow him around from restaurant to restaurant.

Why?

Because Jerry was a natural motivator.

If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was always there, telling him how to look on the positive side of the situation. Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went up to Jerry and asked him:

'I don't get it! No one can be a positive person all of the time. How do you do it?'

Jerry replied, 'Each morning I wake up and say to myself, I have two choices today. I can choose to be in a good mood or I can choose to be in a bad mood.

I always choose to be in a good mood. Each time something bad happens, I can choose to be victim or I can choose to learn from it. I always choose to learn from it.

Every time someone comes to me complaining, I can choose to accept their complaining or I can point out the positive side of life. I always choose the positive side of life.'

'But it's not always that easy,' I protested.

...(videVfl2)

'Yes it is,' Jerry said.

'Life is all about choices. When you cut away all the junk every situation is a choice.

You choose how you react to situations.

You choose how people will affect your mood.

You choose to be in a good mood or bad mood.

It's your choice how you live your life.'

Several years later, I heard that Jerry accidentally did something you are never supposed to do in the restaurant business. He left the back door of his restaurant open And then in the morning, he was robbed by three armed men. While Jerry trying to open the safe box, his hand, shaking from nervousness, slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot him.

Luckily, Jerry was found quickly and rushed to the hospital.

After 18 hours of surgery and weeks of intensive care, Jerry was released from the hospital with fragments of the bullets still in his body....

I saw Jerry about six months after the accident.

When I asked him how he was, he replied, 'If I were any better, I'd be twins. Want to see my scars?' I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone through his mind as the robbery took place.

'The first thing that went through my mind was that I should have locked the back door,' Jerry replied. 'Then, after they shot me, as I lay on the floor, I remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to live or could choose to die. I chose to live.'

'Weren't you scared' I asked?

Jerry continued, 'The paramedics were great. They kept telling me I was going to be fine.

But when they wheeled me into the Emergency Room and I saw the expression on the faces of the doctors and nurses, I got really scared. In their eyes, I read 'He's a dead man. I knew I needed to take action.'

'What did you do?' I asked.

'Well, there was a big nurse shouting questions at me,' said Jerry. 'She asked if I was allergic to anything.' 'Yes,' to bullets, I replied.

Over their laughter, I told them: 'I am choosing to live. Please operate on me as if I am alive, not dead.'

'Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also because of his amazing attitude.

I learned from him that every day you have the choice to either enjoy your life or to hate it.

The only thing that is truly yours - that no one can control or take from you - is your attitude,

so if you can take care of that, everything else in life becomes much easier.

Now you have two choices to make:

1. You can ignore this message or

2. You can learn and apply the lessons from this story.

OK Sir. Where is this Jerry?

I am sure, he is yet to be born.

What is the meaning of hallucination?

Mai pen rai...

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As long as one of the best posts ever on this forum is plagiarism without attribution and is probably total fiction from the get go, here is my version:

When the 3 armed men entered Jerry's restaurant, he was able to wrestle the gun out of the hands of one of the 3 robbers and shot the f*()kers dead on the spot.

It matters not where the message came from but what it contains.

Clearly it went over ....many heads......jeeezzzz

Message: When given lemons, make lemonade. Restaurant robberies not necessary.

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Hmmm....it seems that people like you only remember the negatives written on here. What does that make you ?

A "negative" person would have posted...

The bloody birds wouldn't shut up so I was awake long before my lazy wife, She had previously labored me with yet another one of her chores. When I was out, typically 2 ladies propositioned me; you just can't escape them in Chiang Mai....Blah...blah.....blah....

Funny.....glad to see you have that quality too.

It still does not answer my question though. Those bitter postings, which OP refers to, come from their own experiences, memories. OP remembers, as indicated in his post.....the bitter and angry comments. Me not. Why ?

Nope - I don't like to see good threads reduced/lost to bickering and rancor - especially if no reason or justification for it.....there's many people with good positive things and ideas that shy away because of this - I've had people tell me they quit TVF because of it....it's hard to miss if it hits you in the face.....or derails something interesting/thought provoking/entertaining.....

We live a very good life here - why the poison? Makes it stand out all the more.....

Hoping to see some realistic takes on Thailand that justify this......what are they seeing?

Those that have a life are busy living it. Living in the now. Do not have time for Thaivisa.com Those who are looking for a life online often dont have a life offline.

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As a walked past I fronted him - he backed off a little but as soon as I started to turn my back he charged - I was watching & turned around and went straight at him holding my empty water bottle up - he didn't turn tail but stood his ground - I took another step and he sidleld a bit then a step back - I took another step & he backed off further...when we'd stale mated he stayed there and I walked away while still facing him with my upper body.....about 25 feet away he went behind a tree....clearly an agressive not frightened easily animal.......but then - I probably looked the same way to him.....

Somewhere between "I took another step & he backed off further..." and "when we'd stale mated..." is when you should have delivered a fast kick square on the nose; the most sensitive part of its head. He will probably still bark at you next time... but he will stay behind the tree when he's doing it.

Not a good idea if wearing flip flops which is all I wear in LOS.

However, a length of water pipe over the bridge of the nose should have the desired effect.

Most Thai dogs will run if you pick up a rock or a stick or pretend you have a rock. Still bark but run.

Most want to attack from the rear. Sneaky bastards. I carry a golf club on my morning walkabout the moobahn.

Dont care if they bark

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YOU THINK TOO MUTT !

from too mutt thinking many of us become desoriented critics, only out there to blimey everone and his grandmother for being so stupid, backwatered and pessimistic.

SE-TOP THINKING TOO MUTT . . look around, see the opportunities, the happiness (not the one orderd by the doctor but the true one) and don't mess up the game, instead, play along.

YOU THOUGHT TOO MUTT ALLEADY !

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You Have Two Choices

Jerry is the manager of a restaurant. He is always in a good mood.

When someone would ask him how he was doing, he would always reply:

'If I were any better, I would be twins!' Many of the waiters at his restaurant quit their jobs when he changed jobs, so they could follow him around from restaurant to restaurant.

<snip>

One of the best posts I've seen on this forum.

BadBouy ... CRAP

Mate ... it would be a great post ... if it was original from him.

Do a quick Google search ... it's all over the web.

Would have been nice though if he had credited his post.

Here is one version ... http://www.virtualteacher.com.au/jerry.html

There are a hundred more.

EDIT ... just read JLCrab's musings above ... thumbsup.gif

Pardon my plagiarism it was not my intent to take credit only to share a positive story. Things that are posted directly have greater chance of being read, my bad for not taking the time to to find and credit the author. By the way this has been around for years (pre google) this thread reminded me of it, JL's link does not credit the author either. I cannot imagine those virtual teachers doing something like that. I guess there are lots of ways to try turn a positive story around but some chose to just enjoy it and it gave pessimist fodder as well.

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If I had to live in a 3rd world country with people i don't relate to or understand on account that I couldn't afford to retire comfortably in my own '1st world' country, and simply take my winters in LOS I'd be pretty miserable as well.

Or having to be married to a plate faced ex prostitute with the literacy level of an 8 year old.

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Pardon my plagiarism it was not my intent to take credit only to share a positive story. Things that are posted directly have greater chance of being read, my bad for not taking the time to to find and credit the author. By the way this has been around for years (pre google) this thread reminded me of it, JL's link does not credit the author either. I cannot imagine those virtual teachers doing something like that. I guess there are lots of ways to try turn a positive story around but some chose to just enjoy it and it gave pessimist fodder as well.

Sorry to say, but I can't 'Pardon my plagiarism'

I understand a positive story ... I write them often.

Indeed I penned this yesterday ... i-lost-a-friend-recently-moo-mate-you-are-missed

Just be original.

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I am not saying I am unhappy with my life here, completely opposite. I do comment now and then maybe in a negative way regarding certain Thai peculiarities, not because I am miserable and unhappy, just because I just can't keep my trap shut sometimes when something really stupid or wrong happens in Thailand.

Why should it be wrong to comment and complain about things you do not like about Thailand? Just like you may comment about other things you do not like, not particularly concerning Thailand.

Everybody is already aware of the good things in Thailand, so there is little point in talking about them.

For example the current massive police corruption that has been finally exposed, is it wrong to make a comment about that? Or any other thing such as the recurring jet ski scams (Last time I used a jet ski was like 15 years ago:). Just because you like to discuss such matters and comment on them does not make you an unhappy person, merely a person that care.

Should one happily applaud the massive police corruption, jet-ski scams etc, or should one keep quiet just because some readers do not like to hear complaints?

Those are observations about current events....not constant whining & bitching about everything Thai/living/conditions .....

We all know where we live isn't perfect - but then neither was the place that we left to get here....

There's been some good observations made here......

I realize part of my questions involve the "human condition" but am interested to see what others think...you don't know what you don't know - so I asked....

So, basically you are complaining about other people complaining, LOL.

Why don't you just use the back button when you go onto a "moaning" thread and leave us to whinge in peace?

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If I had to live in a 3rd world country with people i don't relate to or understand on account that I couldn't afford to retire comfortably in my own '1st world' country, and simply take my winters in LOS I'd be pretty miserable as well.

Or having to be married to a plate faced ex prostitute with the literacy level of an 8 year old.

Are you one of them that is married to a DDG Chinese Thai English speaking hiso girl with a doctorate and a family that pays you to be married to her?

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The original 'Jerry' post #70 on ThaiVisa was initially read at least by me as if this was a first-hand account of someone's friend's life experience. Before finishing I realized the whole thing probably was a hoax and never happened to anyone. There are enough stories out there first-hand or otherwise showing a good attitude toward life.

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Even with all of the BS in Thailand (corruption, traffic, scams, crime) it is stil my favorite place on Earth.

I have lived everywhere from shacks in Sisaket, to loud apartments in BKK with fighting neighbors. None of it was any worse than the places I lived in the USA.

Jean Cocteau said "without opium, a sinister room remains a sinister room...one of the wonders of opium is to transform instantaneously an unknown room into a room so familiar, so full of memories, that one thinks one has always occupied it."

Okay, so replace "opium" with "beautiful girl", or "serenity", or "freedom"....you get the idea.

Even when living in my little shack in Sisaket with the most beautiful girl I had ever seen, life was not only bearable, it was the anodyne for the maladies of the West.

Can't think of a place I would rather be.

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