Red-shirt leader Nuttawut calls on Prayut to invoke charter to grant amnesty

[JimmyFT]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

OP said:

Nuttawut posted on his Facebook wall that the amnesty would bring about reconciliation in the country.

Nutthawut forgot to add that it will bring about great relief for him as he faces charges for his criminal activities in 2007, 2009, and 2010.

It would be a win-win-win situation for the thrice violent red shirt leader and Pheu Thai MP and Yingluck Cabinet Minister.

[JimmyFT]

No. Amnesty for all criminal snot allowed.

Else yellow will come out again.

Of more concern is the more violent Reds will come out again.

[greenchair]

No. Amnesty for all criminal snot allowed.

Else yellow will come out again.

And there lies the core of this countries problems. Everytime that little group of yellows dont like something. Out come the paddy tantrums holding the rest of the country to ransom. Refusing to do anything through patience and legal channels.and why , because most of what they fight for is not supported by the majority.

[greenchair]

_{For once I agree with Nattawud,, as long as amnesty does not apply to protest leaders of either side, its a very good idea. Let the poor sods out, they have been punished enough.}

_{You can't trust Thaksin with something like this, he will never let them get amnesty without inserting himself into it, he is too much of a cockroach.}

Thats right. Let them out. And all those who are locked up for years because of lm.

[greenchair]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

They said not for any violent offenders. And leaders now. Gosh you people are so selfish. This is never going to end. Have your military rule then. See how you feel about that in 20 years when you dont like how things are going. Some of those protesters yellow and red are very old,some very young university students. They are not criminals. They are your countries best and should not be and prisons

Edited December 12, 2014 by greenchair

[Wilsonandson]

Bit strong Slapout. He, Nuttawut, just needs a new proffesion and channel his energy into something for the goodof the nation. Stop whining and start contributing to Thailand.

[love1012]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

you have forgotten that the courts determined that the military killed people in the temple, have you? You have forgotten that yellow shirts have killed and bombed, haven't you.

There was enough violence to go around and it was far from one side.

No one is going to enforce justice against yellow shirts or the army.

Of course if the 'PM' declares an amnesty, I'll be one of the most surprised. He is interested in suppression, not reconciliation.

Hard to forget when theres no evidence in the first place - only red shirts kill and bomb!!

[love1012]

what ever happened to the popcorn shooter who was protecting the protestors?

Hopefully he got a medal!!

[love1012]

Boxclever?? More like punch drunk!!

[Wilsonandson]

The popcorn shooter got a raise and this helped him pay for his rise through the ranks. well done, ashes to ashes and dust to dust. The filthy only become clean after a thorough wash. The cleansing has begun.

[bangrak]

Life can be 'colourfull' on TV, f.i. today we have a self assumed greenchair wanting to free yellows as an excuse for liberating reds, and accusing others of choosing for khaki green above black, while making a brown man's game, it would turn one into a white rage, when the country's main issue today wouldn't be all about pink, and a preference for purple above blue...

Edited December 12, 2014 by bangrak

[djjamie]

How ironic coming from a man that said “If you gain control, we will burn places all over Thailand” to cheers from red shirts mind you.

How ironic coming from a man that said “Brothers and sisters, you go to burn down, I will be responsible for it myself.” to cheers from red shirts mind you.

It is always the guilty that want amnesty.

Terrorists should be held accountable.

[tomacht8]

Mabe nuttawut can talk a little bit about his transport company.
Transported rice bags back and forth.

[rubl]

I'm wondering how many people would really benefit from the amnesty for non-leader protesters?

I assume the normal, peaceful protesters have no need for an amnesty. The somewhat more violent ones maybe. Let's assume that there are non-leader protesters who are in the process of

- wanted - arrested - charged and acknowledged - bailed/jailed awaiting start of court case - ongoing court case - sentence - jailed - freed -

Those would probably profit from an amnesty. Going through that process also would mean they're known, known by name. Therefor one should be able to say how many.

Somehow it seems that Nattawut is only playing a bit. Theoretically may be a good idea, but effectively insignificant and meaningless.

Edited December 12, 2014 by rubl

[Smokemachine]

Nat is a freedom fighter??wow... What a bunch of great fighters they are. How many people have been shot down by these "freedom fighter"?

[ScreamingEagle101]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

[kaobang]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

are you from Mars?

[tbthailand]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

you have forgotten that the courts determined that the military killed people in the temple, have you? You have forgotten that yellow shirts have killed and bombed, haven't you.

There was enough violence to go around and it was far from one side.

No one is going to enforce justice against yellow shirts or the army.

Of course if the 'PM' declares an amnesty, I'll be one of the most surprised. He is interested in suppression, not reconciliation.

You realize it was in self defense only after the reds shot the first shots and threw the first bombs dont you?

The military was taking serious abuse before they even tried to defend themselves.

Now go to the corner and dont say anything else unless you raise your hand.

which first shots do you want to talk about? Let's start by you giving a year...

first shots is all nonsense. Violence is violence and digressing into a childlike argument 'yeah, but he started it!' is not only asinine, but has nothing to do with what is wrong about using violence in the first place.

now back to your self-defense comment, one of the examples already mentioned was the killing in the temple on May 19th. Clearly that was not done in self-defense.

That is just one example. But it points out the uselessness of the 'yeah, but he started it!' logic.

[tbthailand]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

are you from Mars?

come on Kaobang, he cannot possibly be from Mars.

Mars is the red planet.

[tbthailand]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

[Robby nz]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

You are probably right in that, for the remaining ones (22) who were convicted of criminal offences from 2010 were up to recently housed in a special jail and their pleas for bail, or to be transferred to facilities closer to their families were ignored.

However now the military have taken over that special prison has been shut down and the 22 have been moved to prisons in their home districts where their families can easily visit them.

The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

You should note however that bail was not provided or offered to any but the leaders.

It would seem by your comment your case hasn't come up yet, unless you come under the heading of privileged leadership you cant expect bail money from your red organization.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

[Lite Beer]

Nuttawut urges Prayut to pardon ordinary protesters
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Red-shirt leader Nuttawut Saikuar yesterday called on Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha to use his power under Article 44 of the provisional constitution to grant amnesty to protesters from all sides who have been charged or are in jail for politically related crimes since 2005.

However, Deputy Prime Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan said it was still to early to discuss this, adding that it would be up to the 200 members of the National Reform Council (NRC) to make a decision on the matter.

Nuttawut, a co-leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), said in a Facebook post that granting amnesty to the protesters would save a lot of people from angst and would demonstrate mercy on the part of those in power.

The red-shirt leader pointed out that members of the ruling National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) had already granted amnesty to themselves and those working with the junta would be pardoned anyway.

Nuttawut said all sides seemed to agree that ordinary protesters should be granted amnesty, while protest leaders should continue facing charges. He added that people should not compare how many people from each side are being incarcerated as many who have not been sentenced are still struggling to fight at different stages of the judicial system.

"I believe nobody will oppose this," Nuttawut wrote in his post, adding that he agreed with political scientist Anek Laothamatas, who made a similar suggestion earlier.

"If the idea of granting amnesty to people exists, then it might as well be done today. The climate of reconciliation through the mercy of those in power will become evident," the red-shirt leader concluded.

Prawit, however, insisted that the idea of amnesty had not "crystallised" yet and that it was up to the NRC to consider and come up with a position on the matter.

In a related development, Prawit was asked if he is satisfied with the junta's performance, and he said he was, adding that he was doing his best and that many others in the government had been losing out on their sleep to complete their duties.

Prawit said military complexes would be open to the public on New Year's Day as a free gift for everybody.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Nuttawut-urges-Prayut-to-pardon-ordinary-protester-30249753.html

-- The Nation 2014-12-13

[rubl]

So what is a politically related crime? Why since 2005 and not since late January 2006? How many of such non-leader protesters charged for 'political crimes' are there?

"and those working with the junta would be pardoned anyway." Do those 'working with the junta' be in need of a pardon? Are all does who co-operate in NRC or CDC in need of a pardon?

It would seem we have some disinformation here and just a political PR stunt.

Edited December 13, 2014 by rubl

[mrtoad]

Criminals always want an amnesty

[timewilltell]

No amnesty for anyone. Apply the law to all in fairness

[scorecard]

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Nuttawut urges Prayut to pardon ordinary protesters
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Red-shirt leader Nuttawut Saikuar yesterday called on Prime Minister General Prayut Chan-o-cha to use his power under Article 44 of the provisional constitution to grant amnesty to protesters from all sides who have been charged or are in jail for politically related crimes since 2005.

However, Deputy Prime Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan said it was still to early to discuss this, adding that it would be up to the 200 members of the National Reform Council (NRC) to make a decision on the matter.

Nuttawut, a co-leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), said in a Facebook post that granting amnesty to the protesters would save a lot of people from angst and would demonstrate mercy on the part of those in power.

The red-shirt leader pointed out that members of the ruling National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) had already granted amnesty to themselves and those working with the junta would be pardoned anyway.

Nuttawut said all sides seemed to agree that ordinary protesters should be granted amnesty, while protest leaders should continue facing charges. He added that people should not compare how many people from each side are being incarcerated as many who have not been sentenced are still struggling to fight at different stages of the judicial system.

"I believe nobody will oppose this," Nuttawut wrote in his post, adding that he agreed with political scientist Anek Laothamatas, who made a similar suggestion earlier.

"If the idea of granting amnesty to people exists, then it might as well be done today. The climate of reconciliation through the mercy of those in power will become evident," the red-shirt leader concluded.

Prawit, however, insisted that the idea of amnesty had not "crystallised" yet and that it was up to the NRC to consider and come up with a position on the matter.

In a related development, Prawit was asked if he is satisfied with the junta's performance, and he said he was, adding that he was doing his best and that many others in the government had been losing out on their sleep to complete their duties.

Prawit said military complexes would be open to the public on New Year's Day as a free gift for everybody.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Nuttawut-urges-Prayut-to-pardon-ordinary-protester-30249753.html

-- The Nation 2014-12-13

From nuttawut:

"I believe nobody will oppose this," Nuttawut wrote in his post, adding that he agreed with political scientist Anek Laothamatas, who made a similar suggestion earlier."

And typical of nuttawut, already many times less then truthful, fails to mention that anek very quickly (within just a few hours) withdrew his remarks about amnesty.

[klauskunkel]

There will be no hope for an amnesty approval from this military junta, it's not inline for their quest to snuff out the last remnants of democracy. Instead we will see kangaroo type court cases trying their best imprison anyone they see as a threat. Nat is a freedom fighter with the vast majority of the population behind him, I wish him the best of luck.

I agree. He should get the Nobel Peace Prize, or at least an Oscar in the home movie category. I hear Thailand has invited both institutions to be hosted here, together with the Tour de France, so there shouldn't be any obstacle.

Nat the Freedom Fighter...Che Guevara, MLK, Joan of Arc and now Nat the Cat, you made my whole year and the next!

[mikemac]

reconciliation - "the restoration of friendly relations, the action of making one view or belief compatible with another"

Red's version of amnesty - "Letting murdering scumbags off the hook so they are free to carry on with their terrorist activities"

[tbthailand]

trust the reds to come out in favour of an amnesty, considering they were the ones that did all the killings and and blowing up of various areas its not surprising. No amnesty for anyone that broke the law fullstop, the only way to get over all this crap is to make sure those that committed offences go to jail otherwise they will simply keep doing it.

I will be a lot more positive when Reds state they wish to clear their names in a court of law.

If you believe you did nothing wrong, stand up and refute the evidence.

I will be a lot more positive the day the red shirts can get a fair trial in Thailand (heck, I'd settle for bail sometimes)

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

You are probably right in that, for the remaining ones (22) who were convicted of criminal offences from 2010 were up to recently housed in a special jail and their pleas for bail, or to be transferred to facilities closer to their families were ignored.

However now the military have taken over that special prison has been shut down and the 22 have been moved to prisons in their home districts where their families can easily visit them.

The red shirts (leaders) are on bail, Jutaporn ,Weng, Arisaman, Nuttawat himself and several others.

You should note however that bail was not provided or offered to any but the leaders.

It would seem by your comment your case hasn't come up yet, unless you come under the heading of privileged leadership you cant expect bail money from your red organization.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

So you are saying that under the Yingluck administration the reds could not get a fair trial or treatment for that matter.

yes.

Tell us how many of these 'ordinary protesters' are in jail or awaiting trial that this amnesty would cover, that is the ones that have not been charged with criminal offenses.

what does that have to do with anything?

btw, you make it sound like being moved from a prison restricted to political prisoners to the general prison population is a step up. It's not. That the courts demonstrate a regular bias in bail requests is not a surprise and is representative of the problems of political prisoners receiving justice in Thailand.

[tbthailand]

to all the anti-democratic, junta-loving posters out there, don't get your panties in a bunch. The good 'PM' will not be offering any amnesty to 'scumbags', as some so quaintly refer to human beings, of any political color or persuasion.