Popular Post mehoo Posted December 20, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2014 hi all on thai visa, I want to say before continuing with this post that I am being serious and am not trolling in any way and what I ask here and I am being completely upfront without any deception. I am an Australian male close to 80 years of age and have been coming to Thailand sometimes 3 times a year over many many years. I have advancing emphysema and it is getting worse as I get older however I am still able to travel to Thailand even tho it is often with a lot of difficulty due to being short of breath on many occasions. I am planning on another visit to Thailand in the new year and I am considering staying for maybe 3 months. I am wondering if any one on this site can tell me what would be the process under thai protocol if I was to ultimately pass away while I was there. I have spoken with my wife regarding this and as we are both pensioners with only a modest amount of money in a term deposit account ,we are both practical and being realistic in our thoughts on this. I personally do not have friends as such in Australia ( but my wife has many) We know that it would cost up to $100,000 maybe more to bring my remains back plus a modest funeral over $6000. I have told my wife that I cant see the sense in her spending so much money just to bring me back to bury me . it just does not make much sense to me for her to delete all our savings for putting me in a hole in the ground. so what would be the situation for her especially if I did happen to fall of the perch while I was in Thailand,? would she be compelled to pay to remove my remains from Thailand and take me back to Australia ? I have made a will stating that if I passed away whilst overseas it is my wish to be buried in that place of my demise? would that request by me be honoured by thai government ? or whatever else would happen ? I know that thais do not bury dead but burn the remains , what is the situation about costs not only for a burning but also as far as any outstanding money that might be owed to a hospital if I happened to have a bad turn and be in hospital when I did die.? would my wife be compelled to pay any outstanding account to any such hospital ? I know this is a pretty macabre subject to discuss but we are all going to die someday somehow somewhere and I am being open minded and hope practical as far as this goes.. Maybe some one on this site has some knowledge of such a situation as I have described happening and can advise me accordingly. I hope I have made it reasonably clear to understand what I am asking. I am just an old guy nearing the end of my time and don't want to leave any dramas for my wife when I depart. 13
Popular Post ATF Posted December 20, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) First off the hospital will not release your stiff until all the bills have been paid. Burial if difficult in Thailand you'll probably end up in a Chinese boneyard. A BBQ costs around 20k baht unless you do it at home if you are upcountry. I would like to be buried in my garden I would like to know if this is possible. Edited December 20, 2014 by ATF 3
MrWorldwide Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 I seem to recall reading that you can organise all of this with a local temple and make an upfront payment - I have no idea how accurate that was or how long it remains in effect for. The obvious issue here is insurance, and I'm guessing that neither Thai nor Australian insurers will cover an 80-year old with emphysema. If I can be blunt here, OP, while i completely understand your desire to see Thailand one more time I have to wonder if you're better off simply staying in Oz ? 1
Popular Post AYJAYDEE Posted December 20, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2014 just get burned at the temple and she can bring u home in a plastic bag 11
tom21 Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 make a will in Thailand of your wishes. then no problem.
Popular Post mehoo Posted December 20, 2014 Author Popular Post Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I seem to recall reading that you can organise all of this with a local temple and make an upfront payment - I have no idea how accurate that was or how long it remains in effect for. The obvious issue here is insurance, and I'm guessing that neither Thai nor Australian insurers will cover an 80-year old with emphysema. If I can be blunt here, OP, while i completely understand your desire to see Thailand one more time I have to wonder if you're better off simply staying in Oz ? I don't have much of a life here in Australia, the only thing I have to look forward to is to travel to Thailand , I been to some other countries in the past but I feel more comfortable hanging out in Thailand, to be blunt I am very disalusioned with Australia now , it is simply out of control with the cost of living here, besides the government has so many hidden agendas just making laws after laws about anything and everything, I am of the opinion that Australia is no longer the lucky country it once was, all my life I have been somewhat of a wanderer and the best thing that's ever happened to me is I married 35 years ago to the most understanding wife who understands me completely in every way. I have a good marriage and for that I am thankful , I do not want my wife to spend all our life savings if I did die in Thailand.. Dead is dead and that's the end of it as far as I am concerned.NO I cannot get any travel insurance now at my age and condition, that's why I asked about any outstanding hospital bill left behind in Thailand. Edited December 20, 2014 by mehoo 16
Farma Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 There was a thread not so long ago with plenty of details that might be worth a read. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/725899-farang-death-procedure-in-thailand/ 1
ATF Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I seem to recall reading that you can organise all of this with a local temple and make an upfront payment - I have no idea how accurate that was or how long it remains in effect for. The obvious issue here is insurance, and I'm guessing that neither Thai nor Australian insurers will cover an 80-year old with emphysema. If I can be blunt here, OP, while i completely understand your desire to see Thailand one more time I have to wonder if you're better off simply staying in Oz ? I don't have much of a life here in Australia, the only thing I have to look forward to is to travel to Thailand , I been to some other countries in the past but I feel more comfortable hanging out in Thailand, to be blunt I am very disalusioned with Australia now , it is simply out of control with the cost of living here, besides the government has so many hidden agendas just making laws after laws about anything and everything, I am of the opinion that Australia is no longer the lucky country it once was, all my life I have been somewhat of a wanderer and the best thing that's ever happened to me is I married 35 years ago to the most understanding wife who understands me completely in every way. I have a good marriage and for that I am thankful , I do not want my wife to spend all our life savings if I did die in Thailand.. Dead is dead and that's the end of it as far as I am concerned.NO I cannot get any travel insurance now at my age and condition, that's why I asked about any outstanding hospital bill left behind in Thailand. Look Buddy you're 80, everyday is a blessing. Go out with a bang, as I said it'll only cost about $20k Baht for a barbie. 1
Neeranam Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 Are you planning on coming without your wife? Do you have any friends here that you can leave instructions with? You have made a will so I guess that the Oz embassy will make arrangements for the burning of your body and charge her. Another option is to leave your body for medical research. Good luck in surviving the 3 months. 1
Neeranam Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/tips/death-overseas.pdf 1
Popular Post NancyL Posted December 20, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform Edited December 20, 2014 by NancyL 8
JohnC Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) You might like to also consider a funeral plan, AlisonMonkhouse Funeral Directors is an Australian Company with a Branch in Bangkok and recently I was involved with them when they were engaged by a family in UK whose father passed away in Pattaya. They did all the paperwork, contacted the Embassy, organised cremation etc. if you want further details pm me. Not sure how much a funeral plan is but you can ask them. Edited December 20, 2014 by JohnC
fey Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 for a 100 grand i would tell her to come to thailand and have my body cremated at the local wat. then just fly back with the ashes and bury them where appropriate. who wants to fly in a cargo bay anyhow. 2
Popular Post mehoo Posted December 21, 2014 Author Popular Post Posted December 21, 2014 I extend my sincere thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply to my posting. I have read all the replies and followed any links that you have provided and now have a reasonable understanding on how things would unfold should the worst happen during any time I spent in Thailand. Thanks again and I wish everyone on TV a merry Christmas ands a happy new year. stay safe and take care always 11
thaibeachlovers Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform My wife knows that I'm not to be resuscitated or ventilated. Are you saying the hospital would over rule her if they thought I/ she could pay? Anyway, if the hospital wishes to hold onto my body for ever, good luck to them, as I'm not paying to be kept alive. 1
Jip99 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform My wife knows that I'm not to be resuscitated or ventilated. Are you saying the hospital would over rule her if they thought I/ she could pay? Anyway, if the hospital wishes to hold onto my body for ever, good luck to them, as I'm not paying to be kept alive. Do you have a Living Will ? Your wishes are better documented there than verbally to a Thai wife. 2
Jip99 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 for a 100 grand i would tell her to come to thailand and have my body cremated at the local wat. then just fly back with the ashes and bury them where appropriate. who wants to fly in a cargo bay anyhow. Remember that the ashes are a bit 'lumpy'. There will be bones in there as well because of the low cremation temperature. 1
thaibeachlovers Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform My wife knows that I'm not to be resuscitated or ventilated. Are you saying the hospital would over rule her if they thought I/ she could pay? Anyway, if the hospital wishes to hold onto my body for ever, good luck to them, as I'm not paying to be kept alive. Do you have a Living Will ? Your wishes are better documented there than verbally to a Thai wife. If it involves paying a lawyer, no. Don't the doctors listen to someone's wife? Perhaps I could have it tattooed on my chest.
Popular Post NancyL Posted December 21, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2014 Giving verbal instructions that you don't want to be resuscitated or ventilated is a good start, but it's better to have your wishes explicitly in writing. Thai people have a tremendous respect for authority and life and doctors will do everything possible to prolong life, in my experience. If someone is brought into a hospital in need of lifesaving measures, they will start them first without asking if if there is a Living Will "on file". It's up to whomever comes in with that person to make the person's wishes know and a written document is the best way to do that. Also, it's good to have your wishes for a funeral stated in writing. Thai widows are often pushed into having expensive ceremonies to "save face" to show they loved you. They know you wouldn't have wanted the money to be spent that way, yet they have to show their community how much they loved you. Put your funeral wishes in writing, too and that gives them something to show how they're fulfilling your wishes. And in Thailand, the sacred remains from a cremation are bones, not ashes. They don't understand our desire to save the remains from the wooden coffin! 4
ubonr1971 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 <script type='text/javascript'>window.mod_pagespeed_start = Number(new Date());</script> I seem to recall reading that you can organise all of this with a local temple and make an upfront payment - I have no idea how accurate that was or how long it remains in effect for. The obvious issue here is insurance, and I'm guessing that neither Thai nor Australian insurers will cover an 80-year old with emphysema. If I can be blunt here, OP, while i completely understand your desire to see Thailand one more time I have to wonder if you're better off simply staying in Oz ? I don't have much of a life here in Australia, the only thing I have to look forward to is to travel to Thailand , I been to some other countries in the past but I feel more comfortable hanging out in Thailand, to be blunt I am very disalusioned with Australia now , it is simply out of control with the cost of living here, besides the government has so many hidden agendas just making laws after laws about anything and everything, I am of the opinion that Australia is no longer the lucky country it once was, all my life I have been somewhat of a wanderer and the best thing that's ever happened to me is I married 35 years ago to the most understanding wife who understands me completely in every way. I have a good marriage and for that I am thankful , I do not want my wife to spend all our life savings if I did die in Thailand.. Dead is dead and that's the end of it as far as I am concerned.NO I cannot get any travel insurance now at my age and condition, that's why I asked about any outstanding hospital bill left behind in Thailand. sorry to hear of your demise. I totally agree with your comments regarding the nanny state of oz. Its a messed up country now. People are driven by the high cost of living and thus everyone is chasing the $ and ripping each other off. I prefer the oz like it was in the late 80's / 90's. lonely planet forum will miss your contributions assuming your the same guy cheers and choke A 2
Jip99 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform My wife knows that I'm not to be resuscitated or ventilated. Are you saying the hospital would over rule her if they thought I/ she could pay? Anyway, if the hospital wishes to hold onto my body for ever, good luck to them, as I'm not paying to be kept alive. Do you have a Living Will ? Your wishes are better documented there than verbally to a Thai wife. If it involves paying a lawyer, no. Don't the doctors listen to someone's wife? Perhaps I could have it tattooed on my chest. You do not need a lawyer, there are specimens on the net, or I can let you have a copy for 500 Baht. You really think the doctors will listen to a Thai wife ? Is she strong enough to tell them "let him die" ? Think again. Edited December 21, 2014 by Jip99
willyumiii Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform Just a thought... If your hospital bills are not paid, what will the hospital do with your body? Surely they will not store it indeffinately! Unless you have some superstitous ( religious ) consern about what happens to your used up body... Let the hospital keep it!
willyumiii Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I know something about this, being the co-ordinator of www.LannaCareNet.org The hospital will not release your remains until the bills are paid, so yes, your wife is going to be responsible for your final medical bills. More importantly, you should consider having a Advance Direct or Living Will in place to make sure your final wishes are followed, or you may find yourself being kept alive for a very long time in a hospital, especially if it appears that it's likely someone will foot the bill. Remember, this is a Buddhist country with a tremendous respect for life and there is much medical technology available to keep people alive long past when most westerners would consider it a good idea. As for the handling of your remains after you die, the hospital will notify your Embassy and they will contact your wife. She will probably be encouraged to have your remains cremated here with the remains shipped to her. This can be arranged by the hospital for less than 20K. It sounds like the OPs wife remains in Australia while he comes here. The Embassy will keep in touch with the OPs wife and see that she receives the appropriate documents to be able to file insurance claims, close bank accounts, etc. While it's good that the OP is worried about what should happen if he dies while in Thailand, given his advanced age, he should be more worried about what will happen if he becomes ill here in Thailand. Very few people just die suddenly. Usually, they're hospitalized first and often are unable to communicate their wishes, access funds, etc. He should plan ahead for this scenario. The OP probably know about this, but be sure to register your travel plans on with the Aussie gov't website so the Embassy has contact details for your wife: https://www.orao.dfat.gov.au/orao/weborao.nsf/Homeform?Openform Just a thought... If your hospital bills are not paid, what will the hospital do with your body? Surely they will not store it indeffinately! Unless you have some superstitous ( religious ) consern about what happens to your used up body... Let the hospital keep it!
wow64 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 Get insruance if you want to be buried. Or get a BBQ and get sent back to oz if you want. Sent from my c64
Popular Post Loaded Posted December 21, 2014 Popular Post Posted December 21, 2014 My experience of dealing with a farang death in Chiang Mai: If you die at home, a doctor and the police will be called to attend. Both will issue reports. The police will ask your next of kin whether you want an autopsy. It's a good idea because then you have an official cause of death on the death certificate. Useful when claiming insurance or closing accounts back home. The body will be moved to the government morgue (Suan Dok hospital if in Chiang Mai). This all happened within a few hours of discovering the dead body. If the funeral/cremation isn't for a few days, arrange storage at the morgue. Dry ice every couple of days surrounding the body in Chiang Mai. Select the coffin at the morgue. (less than 10K THB unless you want teak). inform them of the funeral/cremation date/time. Arrange transportation of the body. Autopsy will be same day or early next day. The autopsy report is available nearly immediately. Visit the local amphur office to process the death certificate - take the doctor's and police's reports along with the passport and autopsy report. Take the death certificate to the morgue. They won't release the body without this. Take the death certificate to the police station that recorded the death. For use in your home country you'll need a translation of the death certificate approved by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Get a translation of the death certificate from any translation service and take to the MFA. In Chiang Mai it's on the ground floor of the City Hall building on the Mae Rim road. Can collect same day or early next if changes aren't needed. You'll need to show your relationship to the deceased. IE passports/ birth certificates in order to submit the request. In Chiang Mai you can only normally have a Catholic funeral service at Sacred Heart Cathedral if you are a member of the that church. The First Church (?) of Thailand next to the river offers services for Protestants and Catholics. Any Buddhist temple offers monks/pay respects ceremony. Not all have crematoriums. It's worth using a temple that has an attached crematorium otherwise you need to arrange transport. 4
Suradit69 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Giving verbal instructions that you don't want to be resuscitated or ventilated is a good start, but it's better to have your wishes explicitly in writing. Thai people have a tremendous respect for authority and life and doctors will do everything possible to prolong life, in my experience. If someone is brought into a hospital in need of lifesaving measures, they will start them first without asking if if there is a Living Will "on file". It's up to whomever comes in with that person to make the person's wishes know and a written document is the best way to do that. Also, it's good to have your wishes for a funeral stated in writing. Thai widows are often pushed into having expensive ceremonies to "save face" to show they loved you. They know you wouldn't have wanted the money to be spent that way, yet they have to show their community how much they loved you. Put your funeral wishes in writing, too and that gives them something to show how they're fulfilling your wishes. And in Thailand, the sacred remains from a cremation are bones, not ashes. They don't understand our desire to save the remains from the wooden coffin! "Giving verbal instructions that you don't want to be resuscitated or ventilated is a good start, but it's better to have your wishes explicitly in writing. Thai people have a tremendous respect for authority and life and doctors will do everything possible to prolong life, in my experience. If someone is brought into a hospital in need of lifesaving measures, they will start them first without asking if if there is a Living Will "on file". It's up to whomever comes in with that person to make the person's wishes know and a written document is the best way to do that." Yes, Bangkok Hospital Pattaya offers the facility of a living will, but it's unlikely the doctors would be aware of it in an emergency situation and most would probably be unwilling to comply with it if it meant causing/allowing death. Information about living wills generally and the form for BPH can be found here: http://www.pattayacityexpatsclub.com/expats/docs/living%20will%20form.pdf Edited December 21, 2014 by Suradit69 1
Gentmartin Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I was recently chatting to my wife about dying here etc, she was of the belief that if i died here and had a written instruction that I wished my body be left to medical science here then all costs of the eventual internment and cremation would be paid for. Might be worth looking into this so if the worst came to the worst your wife would have nothing to worry about, except perhpas EMS ing your ashes back home. Id also personally suggest leaving written details etc with a mate over here as they could help if there were any problems. Either way, youre only 80, I truly hope i read about this headline in years to come...... 'Nonagenarian passes away in short time motel with 2 girls and huge smile'.......and not only the police pointing lol ;-) Good luck mate, enjoy your trip :-) 1
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