Thai price / Foreigner price

[Kasset Tak]

Well, one only has to look at the size of the foreign cows and one can easily conclude that they are better for milking... much more profitable.

Ok, you are the one who brought out the cows...

An average Thai milk cow is smaller and produces less milk than the cows used in Australia, Europe, UAE and US. Why?

Because they imported Holstein cows from Australia and then cross breed them with other breeds like Bhraman so now they have cows with less mussel mass and that produces less milk!

That is how you make it Thai style!

Just look at a place like MBK, you have hundreds of small shops selling the exact same thing, I wonder how many of them that actually make a profit. And it is the same when it comes to the rice farmers, there is an over production on rice so the price is falling, what do we do to solve the problem? We grow more rice so we get more tons to sell!

So the dual pricing is needed so that they can get money somewhere.

Another good example is the government, they decided that all government officials would get a wage hike... But they did not allocate more funds from the central budget so many schools and district offices have fired 1 or more of those who are not government officials like janitors, office clerks and so on. I personally know 2 janitors, 3 office clerks and 2 (Thai) teachers (only hired by the schools not the government) that got fired because of this! This is the Thai way, the poor Thai get less, the rich Thai don't pay and we foreigners are those who are covering for it all. So Without the money we foreigners and foreign companies spend here, where would Thailand be today?!

Sorry that I got off topic but when I had finished writing, I just didn't want to delete.

[Lovethaihowever]

Thais are very flexible with this pricing structure. If you walk up and speak thai to them and tell them you live in Los, then ask them nicely if they'll let you in for the Thai price they will almost always say yes. The pricing structure doesn't apply if you're from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos etc, because they know most of those people are poor. Oh and it isn't greed, he thai price reflects the disparity of wages between thai and farang. Most Thais are paid a daily rate that is equivalent to your hourly rate, and as Thailand is a developing country it can either split the running and maintenance costs up and charge a flat rate, which will mean no thai will afford to visit that museum, park, attraction. Or it can keep this two tier system. Oh, technically you can only be racist towards people who have suffered real oppression based on color or beliefs. As the Thais have not had either white or black slaves and haven't gassed six million Jews you can't technically accuse them of racism of any sort.

[AYJAYDEE]

Thais are very flexible with this pricing structure. If you walk up and speak thai to them and tell them you live in Los, then ask them nicely if they'll let you in for the Thai price they will almost always say yes. The pricing structure doesn't apply if you're from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos etc, because they know most of those people are poor. Oh and it isn't greed, he thai price reflects the disparity of wages between thai and farang. Most Thais are paid a daily rate that is equivalent to your hourly rate, and as Thailand is a developing country it can either split the running and maintenance costs up and charge a flat rate, which will mean no thai will afford to visit that museum, park, attraction. Or it can keep this two tier system. Oh, technically you can only be racist towards people who have suffered real oppression based on color or beliefs. As the Thais have not had either white or black slaves and haven't gassed six million Jews you can't technically accuse them of racism of any sort.

racism doesnt require oppression. its a belief.

[jbauer]

Thais are very flexible with this pricing structure. If you walk up and speak thai to them and tell them you live in Los, then ask them nicely if they'll let you in for the Thai price they will almost always say yes. The pricing structure doesn't apply if you're from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos etc, because they know most of those people are poor. Oh and it isn't greed, he thai price reflects the disparity of wages between thai and farang. Most Thais are paid a daily rate that is equivalent to your hourly rate, and as Thailand is a developing country it can either split the running and maintenance costs up and charge a flat rate, which will mean no thai will afford to visit that museum, park, attraction. Or it can keep this two tier system. Oh, technically you can only be racist towards people who have suffered real oppression based on color or beliefs. As the Thais have not had either white or black slaves and haven't gassed six million Jews you can't technically accuse them of racism of any sort.

Thailand had slaves, and a lot later than Britain or America- they were Asian rather than black or white, granted. I'm sure neighbouring countries have there own histories of Thai war crimes as well, although obviously not on the scale of the Holocaust.

[Bill Miller]

In my opinion it is a bit ridiculous to claim that the two tier pricing is racially motivated. As has been mentioned before in this thread the Thai people are not of a monolithic racial identity. The system has pricing for Thai citizens, and another for foreign born. Would anyone like to claim that all non Thai nationals are of a single race? That would be the logical extension for racism to be the prime motivation. It is an economic and political scheme, which I do not have too much problem with.
That said I do think the differential is a bit lop sided and my best friend, a Thai lady, agrees. We were not discussing the subject, she just offered the opinion when we were entering a facility where the foreigner price was listed at ten times the Thai price. She thought that double would be much fairer.
It is not easy for Thailand to fund these programs. I see discussion about the tax revenue, etc. I think a substantial percentage of the economy is cash based and therefore difficult if not impossible to assess a tax base.
I am in the camp of those who think if it bothers you so much, then stay home., wherever that may be. I stopped going to professional sports venues in the US when ticket prices exceeded about fifteen bucks. I also do not dine on Kobe beef when there is hamburger available.

[jbauer]

It is not easy for Thailand to fund these programs. I see discussion about the tax revenue, etc. I think a substantial percentage of the economy is cash based and therefore difficult if not impossible to assess a tax base.

I am in the camp of those who think if it bothers you so much, then stay home., wherever that may be. I stopped going to professional sports venues in the US when ticket prices exceeded about fifteen bucks. I also do not dine on Kobe beef when there is hamburger available.

It might be easier to fund these programs if 1. there was a serious effort made by the authorities to fund them, seeing as these parks, museums etc.are meant to be a representation of national pride and blah blah, as opposed to them using the usual "that'll do" method, and 2. if the available money wasn't siphoned off for, ahem, "other" reasons.

[thailiketoo]

MO to discussing about salaries statistics is just a waste of time.

We having in germany an old bookkeeper phrase:

"I believe only statitics I faked myself".

Without the Federal Statistical Office Germany would shut down in a few days.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Homepage.html

It is rather hard to believe education if free in Germany.

You should check the link I provided some posts above is in Norway the same in public institutions and they are over 95% in germany.

I was driving at how could education be free and all Germans not know about the basics of how statistics operate in the functioning of government and banking. Germany has a great education system it's too bad not all Germans use it and understand the basics of what the Federal Statistical Office does.

Edited January 5, 2015 by thailiketoo

[claffey]

For the love of God! It has nothing to do with 'race'!! It's to do with nationality and residential status. Japanese and Chinese tourists are charged the same as Westerners and, if I'm not mistake, they are Asian just like Thais!! Its simple. If you are Thai or resident here you pay a local price. If you don't fall into this category you pay a tourist/ visitor rate. If you have a problem with this you know where the airport is....

I recently visited Khao Sam Roi Yot National Park. I was charged a tourist rate despite having a work permit etc. The staff apologized and said their Boss told them to charge all non Thais the full rate. The staff then decided to allow my son,who is Half Thai, in for free! The national Park there is amazing and worth a every penny. Don't let dual pricing at tourist sites ruin your day out!! We had a fantastic day and I had forgotten about the overcharging when I saw the first beach...

[mogandave]

I'm betting the same people claiming education is free anywhere are the same people whining about dual pricing.

You lefties crack me up.

[wprime]

Get with the program, locals pay taxes which contribute to social services, they get discounted rates - it's as simple as that. If you work in Thailand and pay taxes here, you get access to discounted access to social services too.

It's hardly new or unfair, most western countries have dual pricing systems too (albeit for less important public services like hospitals or education...).

[CapeCobra]

Thanks claffey,

Never been to this place. Beautiful photos on the Internet. Next time in Pranburi, I'll do the trip. Useful information for once on this strange forum.

[German Viking]

MO to discussing about salaries statistics is just a waste of time.

We having in germany an old bookkeeper phrase:

"I believe only statitics I faked myself".

Without the Federal Statistical Office Germany would shut down in a few days.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Homepage.html

It is rather hard to believe education if free in Germany.

You should check the link I provided some posts above is in Norway the same in public institutions and they are over 95% in germany.

I was driving at how could education be free and all Germans not know about the basics of how statistics operate in the functioning of government and banking. Germany has a great education system it's too bad not all Germans use it and understand the basics of what the Federal Statistical Office does.

You are right this is a problem not all germans appreciate the opportunity of the free good education system.

I will give you an question, do you think all the kids of wealthy thais, who going to expensive schools, appreciate their opportunity to getting a good education, or use well at all?

They know the difference, just human being, some are so and others so, this is not a question of the nationality.

A lot of PPL all over the world who don't having to struggle for somethings don't see the real value.

The germans you see in pattaya, are not representative for germany, the same with other nations.

[German Viking]

MO to discussing about salaries statistics is just a waste of time.

We having in germany an old bookkeeper phrase:

"I believe only statitics I faked myself".

Without the Federal Statistical Office Germany would shut down in a few days.

https://www.destatis.de/EN/Homepage.html

It is rather hard to believe education if free in Germany.

You should check the link I provided some posts above is in Norway the same in public institutions and they are over 95% in germany.

I was driving at how could education be free and all Germans not know about the basics of how statistics operate in the functioning of government and banking. Germany has a great education system it's too bad not all Germans use it and understand the basics of what the Federal Statistical Office does.

You are right this is a problem not all germans appreciate the opportunity of the free good education system.

I will give you an question, do you think all the kids of wealthy thais, who going to expensive schools, appreciate their opportunity to getting a good education, or use well at all?

They know the difference, just human being, some are so and others so, this is not a question of the nationality.

A lot of PPL all over the world who don't having to struggle for somethings don't see the real value.

The germans you see in pattaya, are not representative for germany, the same with other nations.

[louse1953]

Why anyone would go to a Thai zoo is beyond me.Went 30 years ago,never again.The real animals are on the outside.

[louse1953]

Well, one only has to look at the size of the foreign cows and one can easily conclude that they are better for milking... much more profitable.

Ok, you are the one who brought out the cows...

An average Thai milk cow is smaller and produces less milk than the cows used in Australia, Europe, UAE and US. Why?

Because they imported Holstein cows from Australia and then cross breed them with other breeds like Bhraman so now they have cows with less mussel mass and that produces less milk!

That is how you make it Thai style!

Just look at a place like MBK, you have hundreds of small shops selling the exact same thing, I wonder how many of them that actually make a profit. And it is the same when it comes to the rice farmers, there is an over production on rice so the price is falling, what do we do to solve the problem? We grow more rice so we get more tons to sell!

So the dual pricing is needed so that they can get money somewhere.

Another good example is the government, they decided that all government officials would get a wage hike... But they did not allocate more funds from the central budget so many schools and district offices have fired 1 or more of those who are not government officials like janitors, office clerks and so on. I personally know 2 janitors, 3 office clerks and 2 (Thai) teachers (only hired by the schools not the government) that got fired because of this! This is the Thai way, the poor Thai get less, the rich Thai don't pay and we foreigners are those who are covering for it all. So Without the money we foreigners and foreign companies spend here, where would Thailand be today?!

Sorry that I got off topic but when I had finished writing, I just didn't want to delete.The 1st herd of Ozzy cows keeled over due to the heat and humidity,so the Thais bred them with a tougher breed.This is Thai style and i like my milk.

[Lukecan]

Racism is in Europe, it was invented there. Thais are not racist, ,they are just opportunists, they know foreigners can pay more, so they set the prices higher for them. This is not racism.

[samran]

Neither is there a distinction here on skin colour. I'm Thai. I'm white. I get the local rate.

The distinction is on nationality.

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No it's not. It's based on whatever nationality the gatekeeper thinks you are.

I have seen Asian non-Thais get the Thai price without even having to show ID and I would bet if you didn't have your thai id with you, you would get charged the foreign price no matter how much explaining you do.

Opening your mouth helps. I simply ask for the ticket in Thai and I generally get the Thai price. I can count on one finger the times I've been asked for my ID. And I'm six foot and no one picks my Thai heritage.

[Berkshire]

Neither is there a distinction here on skin colour. I'm Thai. I'm white. I get the local rate.

The distinction is on nationality.

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No it's not. It's based on whatever nationality the gatekeeper thinks you are.

I have seen Asian non-Thais get the Thai price without even having to show ID and I would bet if you didn't have your thai id with you, you would get charged the foreign price no matter how much explaining you do.

Opening your mouth helps. I simply ask for the ticket in Thai and I generally get the Thai price. I can count on one finger the times I've been asked for my ID. And I'm six foot and no one picks my Thai heritage.

What Time Traveller is saying is that if you're white, you're assumed to be a foreigner. Of course, many Japanese and Koreans do not look Thai, so they're also assumed to be a foreigner. Is that what this "racism" business is about, to be accused of being a foreigner? And the gatekeeper is probably going to be right most of the time.

In America, a young black man walking around at night on his own, minding his own business, is assumed by some policemen to be a criminal. Now that's true freakin racism. If the worst we get in Thailand is that we're assumed to be "foreigners," Christ, farangs need to quit the freakin moaning already.

[samran]

Neither is there a distinction here on skin colour. I'm Thai. I'm white. I get the local rate.

The distinction is on nationality.

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No it's not. It's based on whatever nationality the gatekeeper thinks you are.

I have seen Asian non-Thais get the Thai price without even having to show ID and I would bet if you didn't have your thai id with you, you would get charged the foreign price no matter how much explaining you do.

Opening your mouth helps. I simply ask for the ticket in Thai and I generally get the Thai price. I can count on one finger the times I've been asked for my ID. And I'm six foot and no one picks my Thai heritage.

What Time Traveller is saying is that if you're white, you're assumed to be a foreigner. Of course, many Japanese and Koreans do not look Thai, so they're also assumed to be a foreigner. Is that what this "racism" business is about, to be accused of being a foreigner? And the gatekeeper is probably going to be right most of the time.

In America, a young black man walking around at night on his own, minding his own business, is assumed by some policemen to be a criminal. Now that's true freakin racism. If the worst we get in Thailand is that we're assumed to be "foreigners," Christ, farangs need to quit the freakin moaning already.

Indeed. I understood TT's point, just wanted to nuance it a little further.

For me the distiction is pretty clear. Citizen vs non Citizen. If they start discriminating amongst citizens, then it is racisim. I'd prefer if there was a more embracing entitlement for 'residents', which happens in about 80% of cases in my experience, but mostly unofficially.

[H1w4yR1da]

That said I do think the differential is a bit lop sided and my best friend, a Thai lady, agrees. We were not discussing the subject, she just offered the opinion when we were entering a facility where the foreigner price was listed at ten times the Thai price. She thought that double would be much fairer.

She comes across as completely uneducated.

Get with the program, locals pay taxes which contribute to social services, they get discounted rates - it's as simple as that. If you work in Thailand and pay taxes here, you get access to discounted access to social services too.

Such as? I've been working here legally with WP for 12 years and have a Thai drivers licence. Edited January 17, 2015 by H1w4yR1da

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Its a double outrage when we have to pay more for a soapy

[mogandave]

That said I do think the differential is a bit lop sided and my best friend, a Thai lady, agrees. We were not discussing the subject, she just offered the opinion when we were entering a facility where the foreigner price was listed at ten times the Thai price. She thought that double would be much fairer.

She comes across as completely uneducated.

Get with the program, locals pay taxes which contribute to social services, they get discounted rates - it's as simple as that. If you work in Thailand and pay taxes here, you get access to discounted access to social services too.

Such as? I've been working here legally with WP for 12 years and have a Thai drivers licence.

If you don't ask, the answer is no.

[Vagabond1]

It is ridiculous to discuss the dual price system in terms of racism.

Get a Thai passport (citizenship) and start paying Thai prices. Thailand does not discriminate on the basis on race or nationality when citizenship applications are considered.

[Oishii]

This is not racist, as they charge the higher price to ALL foreigners.

They would attract less criticism if they advertised the higher price and then show a discounted price for Thais.

I'm fairly lucky, as my wife works for local government and I normally get access at the lower price when she shows her ID card.

Edited January 22, 2015 by Oishii

[German Viking]

This is not racist, as they charge the higher price to ALL foreigners.

They would attract less criticism if they advertised the higher price and then show a discounted price for Thais.

I'm fairly lucky, as my wife works for local government and I normally get access at the lower price when she shows her ID card.

I can agree with you about racism.

All the fees should be displayed on the entries, and as I posted before in this topic, don't charge the foreign tourist more as the triple thai price.

IMO, then only a very few tourists would complain, maily the chinese high quality tourist.

[Aussieroaming]

Fark oath..I agree. It might be two tier pricing but it's still a fraction of what they fark every tourist over in the west. Australia charges absolutely bullshite prices for all

[Eliot Rosewater]

If you fly Ryanair and are a resident of certain countries, you will get 50% discount. Thai visitors pay 100%.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/what-is-a-spanish-resident-discount/

In your face.

It seems to say the pricing is based on RESIDENCY; not nationality.

• Documents required to avail of a Resident Discount.

  • Spanish Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a Valid National Identity Card / valid passport
  • Spanish Nationals under 14 years, without a DNI: A valid Certificate of Residence
  • EU/EEA/ Swiss Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a valid National Identity Card issued by the country of origin/ valid passport.
  • Family members of EU nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid residence card indicating his/her status of existing EU family member.
  • Non-EU Nationals holding a long-term residence permit: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid resident card indicating his/her condition of long-term resident. (A Thai national with residency would het the discount)
• Did you actually read this??? "In your face????"

[German Viking]

Fark oath..I agree. It might be two tier pricing but it's still a fraction of what they fark every tourist over in the west. Australia charges absolutely bullshite prices for all

Could you please write proper english that the rest who don't live in down under can understand it.

Examples please and not only 1.

As I posted before all government institutions in germany charging reasonalbe prices for all and if you buy packages then it's pretty cheap.

For example my province Baden-Württemberg buy the castle and park package 24 Tickets 24€ kids 12€ and you have 1 year time to use it.

http://www.schloesser-und-gaerten.de/besucherinformation/verguenstigungen/schlosscard/

Also Family packages every family can go to his City government and apply for the "Landesfamilienpass" and every family will does'nt care of any race or nationality, there is only 1 rule for all, your must be a resident of this province.

http://www.schloesser-und-gaerten.de/besucherinformation/verguenstigungen/landesfamilienpass/

http://file:///C:/Users/redcloud51/Downloads/Faltblatt-Landesfamilienpass_2014_10_Internet%20(1).pdf

[German Viking]

If you fly Ryanair and are a resident of certain countries, you will get 50% discount. Thai visitors pay 100%.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/what-is-a-spanish-resident-discount/

In your face.

It seems to say the pricing is based on RESIDENCY; not nationality.

• Documents required to avail of a Resident Discount.

  • Spanish Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a Valid National Identity Card / valid passport
  • Spanish Nationals under 14 years, without a DNI: A valid Certificate of Residence
  • EU/EEA/ Swiss Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a valid National Identity Card issued by the country of origin/ valid passport.
  • Family members of EU nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid residence card indicating his/her status of existing EU family member.
  • Non-EU Nationals holding a long-term residence permit: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid resident card indicating his/her condition of long-term resident. (A Thai national with residency would het the discount)
• Did you actually read this??? "In your face????"

Read the Ryanair rules clear this is only for residents of Ceuta, Canary- and the Balearic Islands and their flight to the spanish mainland as long they are

holding the nationality of EU, EEA (Switzerland, Norway, Island).

[Eliot Rosewater]

If you fly Ryanair and are a resident of certain countries, you will get 50% discount. Thai visitors pay 100%.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/questions/what-is-a-spanish-resident-discount/

In your face.

It seems to say the pricing is based on RESIDENCY; not nationality.

• Documents required to avail of a Resident Discount.

  • Spanish Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a Valid National Identity Card / valid passport
  • Spanish Nationals under 14 years, without a DNI: A valid Certificate of Residence
  • EU/EEA/ Swiss Nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence and a valid National Identity Card issued by the country of origin/ valid passport.
  • Family members of EU nationals: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid residence card indicating his/her status of existing EU family member.
  • Non-EU Nationals holding a long-term residence permit: A valid Certificate of Residence along with the valid resident card indicating his/her condition of long-term resident. (A Thai national with residency would het the discount)
• Did you actually read this??? "In your face????"

Read the Ryanair rules clear this is only for residents of Ceuta, Canary- and the Balearic Islands and their flight to the spanish mainland as long they are

holding the nationality of EU, EEA (Switzerland, Norway, Island).

Perhaps I'm wrong but I read that as saying that anyone who is a resident of Spain (or the islands you mentioned) of any nationality gets the discount.