Labour Government’s Bold Claim to “honesty with voters” Has Unraveled Quickly

[carter1882]

It is only a matter of time before the atheists of the world say that enough is enough and actually begin to mobilise rather than suffer and shake their heads in isolation. A few more outrages of this nature and we will start to see the rise of the radicalised atheist. Religion, as Mr Rushdie so eloquently put it in his statement on the atrocity, is merely medieval unreason.

[charliebru]

Thanks again to the politically correct politicians who invited moslems into our countries. RIP to the victims; hope another Charlie Hebdo emerges.

[steven100]

kill the b*#@ards, I wouldn't care less if the were none left on earth ... at least it would be alot safer place to live.

.....

[Harsh Jones]

My condolence to the families of the victims, too, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

War is an ugly thing, and brutality is contagious.

Sadly, so-called Christians made Money their God, and now complain about a lack of humanity when they get paranoid.

Yes, paranoia, that's the mental state created by capitalism.

The amount of people killed by traffic accidents is far higher than the amount of people killed by bomb attacks (just one example), but a car is a status symbol - well, for some it's a licence to kill.

If you think you have a better system then lets hear it....

Everyone takes risks every day in life. And yes, accidents kill people. This makes these Islamic attacks that much worse because people are confronted with chance and death already.

The idea that you are trying to statistically downplay this is sickening.

[GentlemanJim]

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My condolence to the families of the victims, too, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
War is an ugly thing, and brutality is contagious.
Sadly, so-called Christians made Money their God, and now complain about a lack of humanity when they get paranoid.
Yes, paranoia, that's the mental state created by capitalism.
The amount of people killed by traffic accidents is far higher than the amount of people killed by bomb attacks (just one example), but a car is a status symbol - well, for some it's a licence to kill.

The lunatics are out of the freaking asylum. Still, 12 people died yesterday who were advocates of allowing people like you the freedom to speak the complete and utter sh**e that you do, so for their sake, carry on and may freedom of speech live long.

[Harsh Jones]

It is only a matter of time before the atheists of the world say that enough is enough and actually begin to mobilise rather than suffer and shake their heads in isolation. A few more outrages of this nature and we will start to see the rise of the radicalised atheist. Religion, as Mr Rushdie so eloquently put it in his statement on the atrocity, is merely medieval unreason.

Was that a quote from the atheist Mao, Stalin or Hitler ?

[bkkgooner]

My condolences to the families of the victims and for the murdered people may they rest in Peace.

These savage murderers have to be stopped.

It has nothing to do with religion but with the arrogance and ignorance of some people using religion to accomplish their murder instincts.

Hope they catch them soon and let them rot for the rest of their miserable lives in jail.

On the contrary it has EVERYTHING to do with religion

[Tep]

Excellent commentary.

Slowly but surely , I think the apologists are starting to figure this out.

Maybe. Apart from a few shocking offensive posts in the first few pages of this thread, the board's resident Islamists apologists have remained quiet.

Maybe hanging their heads in shame somewhere.

This was an operation. Whether 'wolf pack' related or directed is yet to be established. It had an objective. It was an attack on a pillar of western liberal democracy. Political satire is an integral part of western liberal democracies. Satirists prick egos. Satirists identify and alert us to tyranny, whether it is the tyranny of religious or other ideology. Western liberal democracies must learn from this and take precautions. They must also respond to the threat. The execution of creative, free thinking, active contributors to dynamic and beneficial political thought is abhor ant.

To glory in this event to support anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. Your dancing around the remains of these slain artists to push your anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. The way you spray your bile all over this thread attacking anyone who is not buying your ideological bigotry is offensive. Others have taken the opportunity to push a gun ownership agenda. This too is offensive and was shut down quickly.

You may call me apologist. The slur has no meaning. I apologise for nothing. I believe these executions were committed by muslim fighters as a direct result of the challenge the satirists posed to their muslim ideology. Even though this is not actually proven, I believe it is highly likely to be the case. Your hysteria is pointless. Your bigotry is obvious. Your bullying is offensive. Your appropriation of #jesuischarlie is shameful. You may return to hiding under your bed.

[bkkgooner]

It is only a matter of time before the atheists of the world say that enough is enough and actually begin to mobilise rather than suffer and shake their heads in isolation. A few more outrages of this nature and we will start to see the rise of the radicalised atheist. Religion, as Mr Rushdie so eloquently put it in his statement on the atrocity, is merely medieval unreason.

Was that a quote from the atheist Mao, Stalin or Hitler ?

Ah the classic anti-atheist garbage please don't try to reinvent history. Christopher Hitchens already tore this argument to shreds years ago.

“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” ~Adolf Hitler

Edited January 8, 2015 by bkkgooner

[steven100]

My condolence to the families of the victims, too, they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

War is an ugly thing, and brutality is contagious.

Sadly, so-called Christians made Money their God, and now complain about a lack of humanity when they get paranoid.

Yes, paranoia, that's the mental state created by capitalism.

The amount of people killed by traffic accidents is far higher than the amount of people killed by bomb attacks (just one example), but a car is a status symbol - well, for some it's a licence to kill.

' they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. ' & ' The amount of people killed by traffic accidents is far higher than the amount of people killed by bomb attacks '

And you consider these two comments as justification for what these scumbags did ... ?

You are one sick individual .......

[simple1]

"12 DEAD IN PARIS MASSACRE: Islamic gunmen execute French police officer as he pleads for his life after terror attack on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo at centre of Mohammed cartoon storm."

"Masked gunmen storm Paris headquarters with AK-47s shouting 'Allahu akbar!' and 'the Prophet has been avenged'.

Stalked building asking for people's names before killing the editor and cartoonist during weekly editorial meeting .

Horrific footage shows a police officer begging for his life before being shot in the head at point-blank range."

LINK

From media reports I believe the murdered police officer in your post was a Muslim.

http://rt.com/news/220719-paris-muslim-police-killed/

The OP is a truly horrendous attack on one of the core principles of Western democracy; likely to see more of these type of attacks. You have to hope the radical Islamists do not achieve a splintering of the adhesion of Western societies, which must be one of their political goals. Our leaders must stay strong and committed to democratic principles.

[Harsh Jones]

Excellent commentary.

Slowly but surely , I think the apologists are starting to figure this out.

Maybe. Apart from a few shocking offensive posts in the first few pages of this thread, the board's resident Islamists apologists have remained quiet.

Maybe hanging their heads in shame somewhere.

This was an operation. Whether 'wolf pack' related or directed is yet to be established. It had an objective. It was an attack on a pillar of western liberal democracy. Political satire is an integral part of western liberal democracies. Satirists prick egos. Satirists identify and alert us to tyranny, whether it is the tyranny of religious or other ideology. Western liberal democracies must learn from this and take precautions. They must also respond to the threat. The execution of creative, free thinking, active contributors to dynamic and beneficial political thought is abhor ant.

To glory in this event to support anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. Your dancing around the remains of these slain artists to push your anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. The way you spray your bile all over this thread attacking anyone who is not buying your ideological bigotry is offensive. Others have taken the opportunity to push a gun ownership agenda. This too is offensive and was shut down quickly.

You may call me apologist. The slur has no meaning. I apologise for nothing. I believe these executions were committed by muslim fighters as a direct result of the challenge the satirists posed to their muslim ideology. Even though this is not actually proven, I believe it is highly likely to be the case. Your hysteria is pointless. Your bigotry is obvious. Your bullying is offensive. Your appropriation of #jesuischarlie is shameful. You may return to hiding under your bed.

Here you go calling anyone who is pushing for immigration reform bigots. I married a woman who was on a work permit and facilitated her immigration to my home country. I am hardly anti immigration.

But maybe, just maybe we need to recognize that one part of the world cannot and will not assimilate with our societies ? So we have to amend our immigration policies ?

[micmichd]

We shall not let ourselves be terrorised

I take it you will be consistent and publically label these people as bigots and neo-nazis today, Mrs Merkel..

Didn't take long, did it?

You choose this to attack another posters to support some anti-immigrant bigotry as expressed on that other referenced thread?

The islamists are now starting to poison the thread with shrill cries of 'bigot' against patriots angered at seeing their culture attacked, hoping to silence any criticism of Islam and it's followers.

They've seen their previous insults- 'racist' and 'islamophobe' have no effect due to overuse and ridicule. Theyre hoping 'bigot' will quieten the furore.

Too late!

And now you're happy, aren't you?

[GentlemanJim]

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This is the whole point, islam is a way of life not a religion, they don't want to integrate, it's their way or the highway.
According to history muslims have tried to conquer the world twice before, 7th century and 11th century but have failed both times. For me personally Allah, is exactly the same as Hitler, they both had the same goal, to rule the world, only time will tell if his wishes come true.

Please don't mix up everything : Islam is a religion and 99.9 % of muslims are rejecting these barbaric terrorists. By posting such absurdities you are contributing to worsening the issue. And since we are talking about extremists, keep in mind that christians, and other religions, have also their followers. Open your eyes.

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination."
Quran 9:73

[snip because I ain't gonna read all this...]

But in relation to the Quran's quote, I offer some "equilibria" for your perusal:-

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Non-believers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Brats
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!" The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)


More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

You quote some interesting versus, and here is the madness and crux of medieval religions, something that I think the Charlie Hebdo people would have giggled about.

You include the quote from leviticus that all Homosexuals should be killed as it is an abomination to the Lord God. There are 2 references to that in the bible. There are also 8 references saying that to eat shellfish is also an abomination to the Lord. As it is Old Testament both comments have found their way into the Bible and the Quaran. So next time you Christians or Muslims are at a BBQ and you are munching away on the big BBQ Shrimp, remember eating shrimp or sucking c**k, it's all the same in the eyes of the Lord boys!

Religious books are the first in the series of the '...For Dummies' books, in this case 'Life and Science explained For Dummies' - circa the 4th century BC, and the religious still follow it letter for letter unless of course they like shrimp.

[zydeco]

Your theory is ridiculous.

Firstly, there was at least one police officer on guard in a car outside as well as one inside, who was protecting Charbonnier.

Secondly, the people at Charlie Hebdo were mostly pacifists who would never accept wearing or using a weapon.

I am rather surprised about the loose security in that building, since Charlie Hebdo had already been the target of some attacks.

A little contradiction there. If there were armed policemen outside the magazine, that means the editors and employees at least believed in implicit violence to protect them. Unfortunately, France has disarmed its citizens, literally and figuratively (the latter through political indoctrination and one way 'incitement" laws), so that these poor guys were sitting ducks. All I know is that if there are threats against me, then I would rather have the ability to defend myself rather than hope some poor policeman who was hopelessly outgunned will do it for me.

[Fireyfish]

Lone wolf attack. Absolutely nothing to do with Islam. Just nutters.

No, I don't believe that either. It's just that I'd thought I'd get in first before the apologists.

Just watched a video on Facebook of them gunning down a French policeman.

what a sad first comment ...

[micmichd]

Excellent commentary.

Slowly but surely , I think the apologists are starting to figure this out.

Maybe. Apart from a few shocking offensive posts in the first few pages of this thread, the board's resident Islamists apologists have remained quiet.

Maybe hanging their heads in shame somewhere.

This was an operation. Whether 'wolf pack' related or directed is yet to be established. It had an objective. It was an attack on a pillar of western liberal democracy. Political satire is an integral part of western liberal democracies. Satirists prick egos. Satirists identify and alert us to tyranny, whether it is the tyranny of religious or other ideology. Western liberal democracies must learn from this and take precautions. They must also respond to the threat. The execution of creative, free thinking, active contributors to dynamic and beneficial political thought is abhor ant.

To glory in this event to support anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. Your dancing around the remains of these slain artists to push your anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. The way you spray your bile all over this thread attacking anyone who is not buying your ideological bigotry is offensive. Others have taken the opportunity to push a gun ownership agenda. This too is offensive and was shut down quickly.

You may call me apologist. The slur has no meaning. I apologise for nothing. I believe these executions were committed by muslim fighters as a direct result of the challenge the satirists posed to their muslim ideology. Even though this is not actually proven, I believe it is highly likely to be the case. Your hysteria is pointless. Your bigotry is obvious. Your bullying is offensive. Your appropriation of #jesuischarlie is shameful. You may return to hiding under your bed.

Here you go calling anyone who is pushing for immigration reform bigots. I married a woman who was on a work permit and facilitated her immigration to my home country. I am hardly anti immigration.

But maybe, just maybe we need to recognize that one part of the world cannot and will not assimilate with our societies ? So we have to amend our immigration policies ?

Taken into account that assimilation and immigration are different things, you may be right.

I will never be assimilated into German society anymore.

That's not sick, it's my free choice - made in 1969 in Asia. I would like to get Thai nationality and burn my German passport. But of course, I want the money that I worked for.

[sambum]

It has nothing to do with religion

It has EVERYTHING to do with religion.

It drives their actions and gives their sad lives some meaning.

It's their life. They live and breathe it.

How much more evidence do we need to stop the Islamification of Europe and recognise the inherent danger of Islamists in the west.

WAKE UP!!

And white liberal lefties fret and wring their hands at the success of brave patriots Pergida (insulted as 'IGNORANT massses' by apologists) in Germany. Pergida is just the beginning. It will spread

This has EVERYTHING to do with religion.

Very true - and for once I don't mind a poster using CAPITALS!!!

[mania]

Simple to me: They are heavily-armed psychopaths. Any questions?

Ummm maybe was too simple? The question was more to do with immigration reactions

Too simple, huh? How about this for simplicity?: Kill or be killed. What, exactly, justifies a massacre of unarmed civilians? I'm personally labeling it Islamic Derangement Syndrome (IDS), an obviously virulent type of psychopathy.

Actually what I meant by too simple is my post had nothing to do with the line your taking. It was a simple statement.

What I meant was even at this time of grief with little know actual concrete facts there are those that will

use this tragic event to pull out a soapbox of a different cause.

Forget it sidetracked enough

[sambum]

I posted yesterday that the world needs to wake up.

I agree MRTOAD "Another Bunch of murdering Muslims. Religion of peace, my ass"

Now who is going to do something to change or end this destructive religion?.........SOUND OF CRICKETS

Now who is going to do something to change or end this destructive religion?

No one because the French people are unarmed. This incident proves that the police can't always handle everything. Europe has sold its soul to the PC brainwashers.

France is already 20% Muslim.

5-4-3-2-

20% certainly not it would be 12,000,000 Muslims, probably not far 10%, Yes and it's too much already

Probably depends which part of France you live - try Marseilles!

[Smurkster]

we have come to the conclusion, this isn't an issue to one specific country, we are all in danger of being victims to this from the USA to United Kingdom, to France....they can attack and kill our people, but they won't kill our resolve and our desire to live peacefully free from terror and murder....

As an American, I really feel for some of these European countries, they have basically become a mini middle east....Turks in Germany, North Africans in France, Pakistanis in England and a few bad apples WILL ruin it for the rest, the majority peace loving, abiding Muslims...while my country men worry about a mexicans crossing the border to work at McDonalds, my European brothers have legitimate fear about who will next immigrate to their country..

Edited January 8, 2015 by Smurkster

[Tep]

Excellent commentary.

Slowly but surely , I think the apologists are starting to figure this out.

Maybe. Apart from a few shocking offensive posts in the first few pages of this thread, the board's resident Islamists apologists have remained quiet.

Maybe hanging their heads in shame somewhere.

This was an operation. Whether 'wolf pack' related or directed is yet to be established. It had an objective. It was an attack on a pillar of western liberal democracy. Political satire is an integral part of western liberal democracies. Satirists prick egos. Satirists identify and alert us to tyranny, whether it is the tyranny of religious or other ideology. Western liberal democracies must learn from this and take precautions. They must also respond to the threat. The execution of creative, free thinking, active contributors to dynamic and beneficial political thought is abhor ant.

To glory in this event to support anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. Your dancing around the remains of these slain artists to push your anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. The way you spray your bile all over this thread attacking anyone who is not buying your ideological bigotry is offensive. Others have taken the opportunity to push a gun ownership agenda. This too is offensive and was shut down quickly.

You may call me apologist. The slur has no meaning. I apologise for nothing. I believe these executions were committed by muslim fighters as a direct result of the challenge the satirists posed to their muslim ideology. Even though this is not actually proven, I believe it is highly likely to be the case. Your hysteria is pointless. Your bigotry is obvious. Your bullying is offensive. Your appropriation of #jesuischarlie is shameful. You may return to hiding under your bed.

Here you go calling anyone who is pushing for immigration reform bigots. I married a woman who was on a work permit and facilitated her immigration to my home country. I am hardly anti immigration.

But maybe, just maybe we need to recognize that one part of the world cannot and will not assimilate with our societies ? So we have to amend our immigration policies ?

The anti-immigrants offer us what? The notion that this and other abhorrent events will not happen by closing the borders. What else do they offer? Vague references to 'final solution' type programs to deal with existing migrant populations or some nebulous thought control policing to identify ideologically unsuitable persons. The anti-immigrant bigotry is clear for all to see in these threads on Muslim related incidents. Happy to discuss immigration policy on a thread that does not degenerate into an anti-muslim slanging match. Happy to talk about the principles of assimilation, multiculturalism, economic refugees, cultural dynamism, economic benefits of migration, consequences of colonialism and imperialistic military ventures and all sorts of things. But not over the slain bodies of those executed for their political beliefs and actions.

Those of us in Thailand are immigrants. Yet many are rabid anti-immigrant. It comes from many sources including their bigotry. I do not call those who want immigration reform bigots. I call those who demand wholesale expulsion of a group of people and stereotypes these groups bigots. A generation ago it was Asians. Now it is Muslims. Who knows what group will be demonised in the next generation.

Also please review the posts of the person to whom I directed my comments. How can you have a rational discussion with that?

[MaxYakov]

My sympathies to the victims and the people of France. The French have a long history of tolerance and understanding. It is very sad to see this being taken advantage of.

My condolences as well. But let me ask you a question: Is "France's Tolerance Problem" by Penelope Starr who, according to her, "grew up and lived in Paris for most of" her life:

"In 2005, I was in grad school at Sciences Po when there were serious youth riots, and Paris was "burning." These riots were the result of profound, chronic, protracted discontent among minority youth. In spite of the fact that people from all over the world – and in particular former French colonies – have been immigrating to France for decades, instead of seeing growing openness, the French are increasingly less tolerant. Perhaps there are polls and studies that show otherwise, but, I’m telling you, the trend is not a positive one. The discourse is becoming more and more openly hostile toward immigrant populations, in particular with regards to France’s Muslim minority."

Edited January 8, 2015 by MaxYakov

[micmichd]

I hope the self-declared warfare technology elite who go by the name of Al-Qaheeda will have too much support from the usually peaceful Muslims.

In Thailand there's a job now for the army: Keep Muslim and Christians away from each other for their own protection. As far as now I haven't heard anything from the South (Pattani eg), I really hope peace can be kept in Thailand.

Something Farangs could learn from Thailand.

[zydeco]

The anti-immigrants offer us what? The notion that this and other abhorrent events will not happen by closing the borders. What else do they offer? Vague references to 'final solution' type programs to deal with existing migrant populations or some nebulous thought control policing to identify ideologically unsuitable persons. The anti-immigrant bigotry is clear for all to see in these threads on Muslim related incidents. Happy to discuss immigration policy on a thread that does not degenerate into an anti-muslim slanging match. Happy to talk about the principles of assimilation, multiculturalism, economic refugees, cultural dynamism, economic benefits of migration, consequences of colonialism and imperialistic military ventures and all sorts of things. But not over the slain bodies of those executed for their political beliefs and actions.

Those of us in Thailand are immigrants. Yet many are rabid anti-immigrant. It comes from many sources including their bigotry. I do not call those who want immigration reform bigots. I call those who demand wholesale expulsion of a group of people and stereotypes these groups bigots. A generation ago it was Asians. Now it is Muslims. Who knows what group will be demonised in the next generation.

Also please review the posts of the person to whom I directed my comments. How can you have a rational discussion with that?

Here we go again. Someone shooting their mouth off and comparing Farangs in Thailand to Muslims coming into the West. Once again Farangs do not:

Demand that Thais close down any Wats because they offend Farangs

Demand that Thais adjust their eating habits and the serving of certain foods and alcohol.

Go out in a rampaging mob and beat up Thai people because they don't like the way they dress, act, or behave.

Create Farang Anti-Discrimination Committees that demand special privileges and positions in business and government

Ask for special places of worship at airports, hospitals, or schools.

Now--do you begin to understand the difference yet.

[Thai at Heart]

At the Nurnberg Trials, a certain Julius Streicher was hung as a war criminal. His indictment included no charge of murder. The judgment read, in part: " In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism, and incited the German people to active persecution."

There is no question that Streicher's anti Semitism was an abomination. But either his hanging was also an abomination, or what these terrorists did in Paris was justified. I assure you, I don't think the latter to be the case.

What the terrorists did was wrong, full stop. What the French magazine wrote or drew was also wrong, full stop. While their sins are hardly equal, and the cartoonists harsh punishment completely undeserved, we should not relegate punishment of incitement only to our defeated enemies.

Please explain what was "wrong" about what the cartoonists drew.

I found it quite funny, clever, thought provoking. I have been called many names, but I have never wanted to ki anyone. I have been publicallt ridiculed and never wanted to kill anyone.

I am not a.religious person, but I have seen religions ridiculed and yet I don't want to kill anyone.

At a bear minimum what the cartoonists drew was utterly legal. What the cartoonists drew was to unphold western values and point out the complete hipocrisy of a religion. Please note, they didn't limit this to just the Muslim faith, any faith was fair game.

These terrorists want to change your and my society to fit their beliefs and to that I say, if you are willing to think what was DRAWN was wrong then you are a coward and have no principles at all.

I reserve the right to have people ridicule anything they like anytime, anywhere.

[StevieH]

It is only a matter of time before the atheists of the world say that enough is enough and actually begin to mobilise rather than suffer and shake their heads in isolation. A few more outrages of this nature and we will start to see the rise of the radicalised atheist. Religion, as Mr Rushdie so eloquently put it in his statement on the atrocity, is merely medieval unreason.

Was that a quote from the atheist Mao, Stalin or Hitler ?

aye, mad atheist that hitler lad.

[H1w4yR1da]

Excellent commentary.

Slowly but surely , I think the apologists are starting to figure this out.

Maybe. Apart from a few shocking offensive posts in the first few pages of this thread, the board's resident Islamists apologists have remained quiet.

Maybe hanging their heads in shame somewhere.

This was an operation. Whether 'wolf pack' related or directed is yet to be established. It had an objective. It was an attack on a pillar of western liberal democracy. Political satire is an integral part of western liberal democracies. Satirists prick egos. Satirists identify and alert us to tyranny, whether it is the tyranny of religious or other ideology. Western liberal democracies must learn from this and take precautions. They must also respond to the threat. The execution of creative, free thinking, active contributors to dynamic and beneficial political thought is abhor ant.

To glory in this event to support anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. Your dancing around the remains of these slain artists to push your anti-immigrant bigotry is offensive. The way you spray your bile all over this thread attacking anyone who is not buying your ideological bigotry is offensive. Others have taken the opportunity to push a gun ownership agenda. This too is offensive and was shut down quickly.

You may call me apologist. The slur has no meaning. I apologise for nothing. I believe these executions were committed by muslim fighters as a direct result of the challenge the satirists posed to their muslim ideology. Even though this is not actually proven, I believe it is highly likely to be the case. Your hysteria is pointless. Your bigotry is obvious. Your bullying is offensive. Your appropriation of #jesuischarlie is shameful. You may return to hiding under your bed.

Right right. And wasn't it one of your fellow Islamists who described all Charlie Hedbo readers as 'IGNORANT masses'? His capitals.

This is abhorrent. Extremism must be stamped out. Finally and with no mercy.

It's just a pity that the IGNORANT masses, all Charlie Hedbo readers included, think that a single religion consists of all extremists.

You continually use the word 'offensive' in that pathetic drama queen post ("glory in this event", "dancing around the remains of these slain artists") of yours. A certain religion also finds opposing arguments and beliefs as 'offensive'. You both have a lot in common, eh?

[Prbkk]

Religion is at the heart of this matter , as it is in virtually every conflict involving human suffering.... Islamic fundamentalists in incidents like this, proselytising Christians like the doddery old fool Pope telling the poor and vulnerable they couldn't use condoms, Jews trying to force people to live as they might have done 2,000 years ago , nutty Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs tearing countries apart. Century after century of religious violence, for 2,000 years. Religions have a few areas of common ground: they ALL seek to control through the acquisition of power. No one is better than another...shysters the lot of them, all engaged in forms of voodoo not far advanced from the reading of tea leaves or the entrails of chickens.

[ravip]

Every action has a reaction.

Just to say it in brief.