Falling Euro,what are my options

[soalbundy]

I have to renew my visa at the end of 2015 so i am thinking long term here. The Euro is expected to reach parity with the dollar end of 2015 which will also send the Euro crashing against the Thai Baht. I have a retirement visa based on my monthly pension earnings, at the moment i am 5,000 Baht over what is required but i don't think this will be the case at the end of this year.

I am married to a Thai but no longer live with her since nine years now, a divorce would eat away my pension. I live with my partner with whom i have a 7 year old son,she has two daughters,19 and 14 years old who live in my household. I am the legal father as well as being the biological father of my son. My partner is not classed as impoverished as she owns over 200 rai of farm land.

Should the Euro crash against the Thai Baht what are my options to remain here with my family. Could i get a visa for looking after a Thai dependent,ie. my son despite the fact that the mother also looks after him ?

Thanks for any serious suggestions from the experienced TV members

[Mario2008]

Don't forget there is the option of combining your income with money in the bank in Thailand. If the combination is 800,000 baht you can get your extension as always. So you could have some money in the bank to make up the difference.

Otherwise you can get an extension based on taking care of your child. Being the legal father means more than having the name on the birth certificate.

[Anthony5]

My partner is not classed as impoverished as she owns over 200 rai of farm land.

I wonder how the above notification is related to the question or the thread at all.

[ubonjoe]

You could use the combination of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht. Perhaps start saving some money now as a fall back measure.

You have a complicated situation that would make it difficult for you to get an extension of stay for being the parent of a Thai. You would first have to become the legal father of your child by way of legitimization at the Amphoe since he is 7 years old. I am not sure you could do it being married to another woman that is not his mother.

[soalbundy]

My partner is not classed as impoverished as she owns over 200 rai of farm land.

I wonder how the above notification is related to the question or the thread at all.

I was wondering whether immigration could say that there is no need for my support as his mother has an income from the rice fields ( these days an extremely poor income )

I went to court to to get my relationship to my son legalized.

[soalbundy]

You could use the combination of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht. Perhaps start saving some money now as a fall back measure.

You have a complicated situation that would make it difficult for you to get an extension of stay for being the parent of a Thai. You would first have to become the legal father of your child by way of legitimization at the Amphoe since he is 7 years old. I am not sure you could do it being married to another woman that is not his mother.

The court legalized my relationship with my son when he was 6 months old

[ubonjoe]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

[paz]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

Just as you also said, I'm not sure that the OP can do that. He is still married to a Thai woman that is not the mother of his son. Even if if he had his parenthood legalized for the child born out of wedlock, Immigration may still find a reason to deny on that basis. Or he would have to hide the fact that he's married to a Thai..

Not saying that I'm sure of that, actually I hope to be wrong.

[soalbundy]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

I'm not sure that the OP can do that. He is still married to a Thai woman that is not the mother of his son. Even if if he had his parenthood legalized for the child born out of wedlock, Immigration may still find a reason to deny on that basis. Or he would have to hide the fact that he's married to a Thai..

Not saying that I'm sure of that, actually I hope to be wrong.

It's all on computer these days, even though i live 1000 km away from the wife the Amphoer where i live know that i am married as did the court when legalizing my relationship to my son ( the wife was given the option of contesting the legalization which she didn't do )

My wife lives in the western style bungalow that i built and i support her according to my means at the time, a small monthly payment, doctors bills, a couple of hospital bills after a road accident etc. She has become quite good friends with my partner and they speak together on the telephone each day. I also support my two step daughters of course, one is studying and the other goes to school. All that would end should i have to leave for farang land where i have nothing there for me,not even famly.

[zierf1]

I suggest the OP start learning how to live frugally asap. "Canarysun" will give you a few good tips on how to stretch your funds. Think he gets by on 5500 a month or so(baht not euros)..

[soalbundy]

I suggest the OP start learning how to live frugally asap. "Canarysun" will give you a few good tips on how to stretch your funds. Think he gets by on 5500 a month or so(baht not euros)..

I don't need much and neither does my partner, i eat once a day and as long as i have my ciggy's and 4 or 5 beers at home a week i'm fine, oh and air con. It's everyone else that needs stuff. Health insurance for everyone, life insurance, land tax, electric bills, school fees, clothing ( especially for the girls ) savings for my partner,internet fees, car insurance,petrol, car servicing,expenses for my wife, hey i haven't eaten yet !! We don't go out, the last time we went on holiday to Hua Hin was 3 years ago and we still mange to get through 60,000 a month.

As Black Adder once said, '' I feel like a pelican,no matter where i look there is always an enormous bill in front of me''

[ubonjoe]

Off topic and abusive posts have been removed. Topic is about options to get an extension of stay if income falls short.

[ubonjoe]

More posts have been removed. They will be removed without notice from now on. If your post disappears it means you stepped over the line.

[Bakeman]

As the markets fluctuate so will our lives. I have watched the dollar drop year after year and have seen the Euro and the Pound rise or remain. Your best bet is to place the 800K in the bank like the majority of Americans so as it was stated before it is time to tighten the belt.

My wife asked me why I don't use the other 400K so I explained to her that if she passes away first I can still remain in Thailand and not re-marry. This of course made her smile. Then I said if I pass away first you inherit the 800K. Guess what??? She smiled and accepted this plan.

Good luck

[aripengu]

If possible your best bet would be a combination of pension and savings, a 100k in the bank could to the trick.

[soalbundy]

As the markets fluctuate so will our lives. I have watched the dollar drop year after year and have seen the Euro and the Pound rise or remain. Your best bet is to place the 800K in the bank like the majority of Americans so as it was stated before it is time to tighten the belt.

My wife asked me why I don't use the other 400K so I explained to her that if she passes away first I can still remain in Thailand and not re-marry. This of course made her smile. Then I said if I pass away first you inherit the 800K. Guess what??? She smiled and accepted this plan.

Good luck

My son has more money than me, at 7 years old he has 1,5 million in his account which i can't touch now. I'm trying to save money for my partner because when i die my wife will get my pension. I have nothing, on purpose, as this saves complications with infighting over a will after my death. I can always overdraw my account in Germany by 200,000 Baht and deposit the money on my Thai account 3 months before my next visa extension which with my pension should be enough. If the Euro really goes down so badly that it's not enough i wanted to know if i could use the Thai dependent option as a last resort, i think you only need 40,000 a month for that. I came into this world with nothing and that's how i'm leaving.

[geisha]

Soalbundy, I think you have done very well in life, and have been very good to your present family and ex wife, this is something to be proud of. I must say I have no great experience with currency mouvments, but I've been coming to Thailand long term for over 30 years, and I've seen the Baht go up, and down! You win some, you loose some. Nothing is sure in this day and age, and political changes can influence everything, everywhere, as we have seen in Europe with the Greek, Spanish and Italiens. I wouldn't worry too much. At the same time, see where you can cut corners, explain the problems to your wife and kids nicely, they have a good home and good parents, I'm sure they know that!

Start saving a little every month, make it a game for the kids, every little counts. I wish you all the best.

[gandalf12]

You have a son who is a legal dependent. That makes a significant difference

[Bakeman]

As the markets fluctuate so will our lives. I have watched the dollar drop year after year and have seen the Euro and the Pound rise or remain. Your best bet is to place the 800K in the bank like the majority of Americans so as it was stated before it is time to tighten the belt.

My wife asked me why I don't use the other 400K so I explained to her that if she passes away first I can still remain in Thailand and not re-marry. This of course made her smile. Then I said if I pass away first you inherit the 800K. Guess what??? She smiled and accepted this plan.

Good luck

My son has more money than me, at 7 years old he has 1,5 million in his account which i can't touch now. I'm trying to save money for my partner because when i die my wife will get my pension. I have nothing, on purpose, as this saves complications with infighting over a will after my death. I can always overdraw my account in Germany by 200,000 Baht and deposit the money on my Thai account 3 months before my next visa extension which with my pension should be enough. If the Euro really goes down so badly that it's not enough i wanted to know if i could use the Thai dependent option as a last resort, i think you only need 40,000 a month for that. I came into this world with nothing and that's how i'm leaving.

I believe it is 46,000 baht a month showing a steady income from a job but this money must show as a constant deposit into your personal account with no one else on the account. Your child or spouse monies are not allowed to be used to show your funds for remaining in Thailand. Easiest method going around the expat circle is put 800K in the bank and forget about it. This way you don't have to worry about market fluctuations 800K is 800K and this covers you if you outlive your spouse.

[soalbundy]

As the markets fluctuate so will our lives. I have watched the dollar drop year after year and have seen the Euro and the Pound rise or remain. Your best bet is to place the 800K in the bank like the majority of Americans so as it was stated before it is time to tighten the belt.

My wife asked me why I don't use the other 400K so I explained to her that if she passes away first I can still remain in Thailand and not re-marry. This of course made her smile. Then I said if I pass away first you inherit the 800K. Guess what??? She smiled and accepted this plan.

Good luck

My son has more money than me, at 7 years old he has 1,5 million in his account which i can't touch now. I'm trying to save money for my partner because when i die my wife will get my pension. I have nothing, on purpose, as this saves complications with infighting over a will after my death. I can always overdraw my account in Germany by 200,000 Baht and deposit the money on my Thai account 3 months before my next visa extension which with my pension should be enough. If the Euro really goes down so badly that it's not enough i wanted to know if i could use the Thai dependent option as a last resort, i think you only need 40,000 a month for that. I came into this world with nothing and that's how i'm leaving.

I believe it is 46,000 baht a month showing a steady income from a job but this money must show as a constant deposit into your personal account with no one else on the account. Your child or spouse monies are not allowed to be used to show your funds for remaining in Thailand. Easiest method going around the expat circle is put 800K in the bank and forget about it. This way you don't have to worry about market fluctuations 800K is 800K and this covers you if you outlive your spouse.

Good thinking batman but i don't have a spare 800,000 lying around but i do have a regular income of around 70,000 Baht a month in my German bank account, wait and see what the exchange rate is on Monday, you know it is times like this when you think, death can't be that bad.

[Derek M]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

Just as you also said, I'm not sure that the OP can do that. He is still married to a Thai woman that is not the mother of his son. Even if if he had his parenthood legalized for the child born out of wedlock, Immigration may still find a reason to deny on that basis. Or he would have to hide the fact that he's married to a Thai..

Not saying that I'm sure of that, actually I hope to be wrong.

If immigration do that then they are not operating within the laws set out by the immigration act.

Source: My situation!

However it is worthy of note such visiting visas for visiting family members are only until the child is 20 years old, pretty sure I read that in the immigration act of 2557. After age of 20 no idea what happens if you are processing such visas to visit your Son/Daughter of say 25 years old.

[soalbundy]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

Just as you also said, I'm not sure that the OP can do that. He is still married to a Thai woman that is not the mother of his son. Even if if he had his parenthood legalized for the child born out of wedlock, Immigration may still find a reason to deny on that basis. Or he would have to hide the fact that he's married to a Thai..

Not saying that I'm sure of that, actually I hope to be wrong.

If immigration do that then they are not operating within the laws set out by the immigration act.

Source: My situation!

However it is worthy of note such visiting visas for visiting family members are only until the child is 20 years old, pretty sure I read that in the immigration act of 2557. After age of 20 no idea what happens if you are processing such visas to visit your Son/Daughter of say 25 years old.

I'll be dead by then so who cares but i expect the Euro to be one of the strongest currencies by then and the Thai Baht where it belongs, a few inches above my coffin.

[soalbundy]

I thank you all for your posts,it's time for bed for me, it's been most interesting. Thanks.

[syeard]

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The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

They changed the law late last year regarding this. You used to be able to get a visa based on being the legal father of a Thai kid and paying for its upbringing and not having to be married. Now the law is that you have to be also married to the Thai mother of the kid to get this visa so you will have to stay married to the mother unfortunately if you go that route!

[paz]

They changed the law late last year regarding this. You used to be able to get a visa based on being the legal father of a Thai kid and paying for its upbringing and not having to be married. Now the law is that you have to be also married to the Thai mother of the kid to get this visa so you will have to stay married to the mother unfortunately if you go that route!

That is wrong, no law has changed, extension for being a parent of Thai is available, clause 2.18

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=280330

[ubonjoe]

The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

Just as you also said, I'm not sure that the OP can do that. He is still married to a Thai woman that is not the mother of his son. Even if if he had his parenthood legalized for the child born out of wedlock, Immigration may still find a reason to deny on that basis. Or he would have to hide the fact that he's married to a Thai..

Not saying that I'm sure of that, actually I hope to be wrong.

If immigration do that then they are not operating within the laws set out by the immigration act.

Source: My situation!

However it is worthy of note such visiting visas for visiting family members are only until the child is 20 years old, pretty sure I read that in the immigration act of 2557. After age of 20 no idea what happens if you are processing such visas to visit your Son/Daughter of say 25 years old.

The immigration act is dated 1979.

We are discussing and extension of stay based or non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai not as a dependent.

Having family members that are Thai is different category from all others.

[Derek M]

Exactly what I was saying Joe, I was nt highlighting your quote but the one claiming that you must be married. Did not notice you were caught up in the quote thingy! Sorry! I was just correcting the fact that you do not need to be married, and as far as the other poster saying "law changed late last year..." also untrue as I am unmarried and got my 1 year extension on Xmas Eve!

[Derek M]

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The extension is not to support you child. It is because you are their parent.

Since you are the legal father you should have no problem getting the extension for being a parent of a Thai,

They changed the law late last year regarding this. You used to be able to get a visa based on being the legal father of a Thai kid and paying for its upbringing and not having to be married. Now the law is that you have to be also married to the Thai mother of the kid to get this visa so you will have to stay married to the mother unfortunately if you go that route!

Not true. No need to prove that you are actually paying for the child. It is worthy of note 500K is required if you are applying for extension of stay for a non Thai Child.

[I say]

@Soalbundy, I want to PM you about something.

[Maestro]

I was wondering whether immigration could say that there is no need for my support as his mother has an income from the rice fields ( these days an extremely poor income )

I went to court to to get my relationship to my son legalized.

There is no extension of stay for supporting your son. There is no extension for being the father of a child of Thai nationality. There is, however, an extension for living with your son if in fact your son lives with you.