Eric Loh Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Pretty easy just google them! Anyway I know you lot stick together so I won't harp on this anymore. Your hero Jamie ask me to call him out on calling yingluck being a convicted criminal I did and all his credibility has gone and so has ! The parrot doesn't lie! One achievement stand out for me in her PR charm offensive to mend the relationship with neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Mynmar which mades the current PM job much easier meeting their leaders. I would also credit her for building up a good relationship with Japan and China who are now our major investors. Are you serious - really serious? I sincerely doubt the sanity of anyone who could believe Yingluck made any contribution to anything other than to sit and smile nicely and the odd flirt like with Obama. Can you provide examples of specific actions she undertook with the countries you name? Apart from Cambodia whose own odious leader, the ex Khmer Rouge terrorist leader. is bossom pals with her criminal brother and her clan. Do you think China and Japan invest in Thailand because of Yingluck? Japan where threatening to pull investment out after her governments pathetic and corrupt attempts at managing the flood of 2011. Failing to address the issue gets interesting. Next we may hear how the RPPS disaster helped Thailand's relation with Vietnam and India It is at this junction that you leave this feeding frenzy knowing that nothing intelligent will be forthcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Pretty easy just googlethem! Anyway I know you lot stick together so I won't harp on this anymore. Your hero Jamie ask me to call him out on calling yingluck being a convicted criminal I did and all his credibility has gone and so has ! The parrot doesn't lie! One achievement stand out for me in her PR charm offensive to mend the relationship with neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Mynmar which mades the current PM job much easier meeting their leaders. I would also credit her for building up a good relationship with Japan and China who are now our major investors. Are you serious - really serious? I sincerely doubt the sanity of anyone who could believe Yingluck made any contribution to anything other than to sit and smile nicely and the odd flirt like with Obama. Can you provide examples of specific actions she undertook with the countries you name? Apart from Cambodia whose own odious leader, the ex Khmer Rouge terrorist leader. is bossom pals with her criminal brother and her clan. Do you think China and Japan invest in Thailand because of Yingluck? Japan where threatening to pull investment out after her governments pathetic and corrupt attempts at managing the flood of 2011. Failing to address the issue gets interesting. Next we may hear how the RPPS disaster helped Thailand's relation with Vietnam and India It is at this junction that you leave this feeding frenzy knowing that nothing intelligent will be forthcoming. But not before reporting some posts so they can be deleted! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted January 15, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2015 One achievement stand out for me in her PR charm offensive to mend the relationship with neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Mynmar which mades the current PM job much easier meeting their leaders. I would also credit her for building up a good relationship with Japan and China who are now our major investors. Are you serious - really serious? I sincerely doubt the sanity of anyone who could believe Yingluck made any contribution to anything other than to sit and smile nicely and the odd flirt like with Obama. Can you provide examples of specific actions she undertook with the countries you name? Apart from Cambodia whose own odious leader, the ex Khmer Rouge terrorist leader. is bossom pals with her criminal brother and her clan. Do you think China and Japan invest in Thailand because of Yingluck? Japan where threatening to pull investment out after her governments pathetic and corrupt attempts at managing the flood of 2011. Failing to address the issue gets interesting. Next we may hear how the RPPS disaster helped Thailand's relation with Vietnam and India It is at this junction that you leave this feeding frenzy knowing that nothing intelligent will be forthcoming. The only relation between the disaster RPPS and Myanmar I know of, is that the RPPS seems Thaksin's idea and Thaksin prepared the way to Dawei a week before PM Yingluck got there. Anyway, here we discuss failing to address the issues, like why hundreds of billion Baht could be lost on a 'self-financing' scheme. The day before the RPPS started Ms. Yingluck's handpicked knowledgeble, capable and full of potential Minister of Finance stated that the money would come back through sales of rice. The issue might be whether Ms. Yingluck was 'negligent', 'criminally negligent', 'intend to deceived', 'intend to defraud', 'criminally intend to deceive and defraud' ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikemac Posted January 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2015 It is at this junction that you leave this feeding frenzy knowing that nothing intelligent will be forthcoming. Well, to be honest with you, if you keep posting the sort of comments you have been lately, then it is a given that nothing intelligent will be forthcoming. The topic is about Yingluck failing to address issues and the best you can come up with is - "One achievement stand out for me in her PR charm offensive to mend the relationship with neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Mynmar which mades the current PM job much easier meeting their leaders" You conveniently forgot to mention her many failings, and there are lots of them, hoping instead to make her look good by talking about her dealings with Cambodia and Myanmar, two countries who are often at war with Thailand. The best line I read in the OP (you should try reading it Eric) which really sums up Yingluck's attitude to her role as PM, was - "He rebutted the former PM's statement that the impeachment could be considered a great challenge to the country's reconciliation and reform process." In other words, don't charge me with anything or the redshirts will run amok again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukebowling Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? I will help you to understand this topic. Imagine that you have been arrested and charged with a crime. You go before a judge who hears the prosecution, and then asks if you have anything to say in your defense. Will reciting the Gettysburg address help you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 One achievement stand out for me in her PR charm offensive to mend the relationship with neighbouring countries like Cambodia and Mynmar which mades the current PM job much easier meeting their leaders. I would also credit her for building up a good relationship with Japan and China who are now our major investors. One ephemeral achievement, if it exists at all. I must say she was Thailand's most successful female PM. BTW "...Japan and China who are now our major investors." As they were in 2009. Wow! "Japan was the largest source of FDI in 2009 (Jan-Oct) at US$1.86 billion, followed by Hong Kong at US$436 million......" http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ics/2010/138154.htm Pretty hard to be the most successful when you have been the only one or are there others that you know about and we don't. Unfortunately for her, unlike Australian's 1st PM, who got away with blue murder, she has not been so successful, caught out big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukebowling Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? I will help you to understand this topic. Imagine that you have been arrested and charged with a crime. You go before a judge who hears the prosecution, and then asks if you have anything to say in your defense. Will reciting the Gettysburg address help you? She can recite excerpts from War and Peace for all I care. The burden here is on the prosecution. She is accused of dereliction of duty for allowing corruption - or similar to the topic, failure to address and stop corruption. A crime involves an ACTION, whether it be fraudulent or criminal, not a non-action. That is the problem with the logical fallacy behind the charges. You can't prove a negative! Edited February 8, 2015 by dukebowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? I will help you to understand this topic. Imagine that you have been arrested and charged with a crime. You go before a judge who hears the prosecution, and then asks if you have anything to say in your defense. Will reciting the Gettysburg address help you? She can recite excerpts from War and Peace for all I care. The burden here is on the prosecution. She is accused of dereliction of duty for allowing corruption - or similar to the topic, failure to address and stop corruption. A crime involves an ACTION, whether it be fraudulent or criminal, not a non-action. That is the problem with the logical fallacy behind the charges. You can't prove a negative! Sometimes crime can be a non action,example : not taking a sick kid to hospital and the kid dying. Criminal neglect! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rubl Posted February 8, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2015 Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? I will help you to understand this topic. Imagine that you have been arrested and charged with a crime. You go before a judge who hears the prosecution, and then asks if you have anything to say in your defense. Will reciting the Gettysburg address help you? She can recite excerpts from War and Peace for all I care. The burden here is on the prosecution. She is accused of dereliction of duty for allowing corruption - or similar to the topic, failure to address and stop corruption. A crime involves an ACTION, whether it be fraudulent or criminal, not a non-action. That is the problem with the logical fallacy behind the charges. You can't prove a negative! Actually Ms. Yingluck has only been impeachment for 'negligence' based on her self-financing RPPS which lost 700 billion Baht, with her having been on record to have all under control, to have listened to comments, taken warnings into account and more over stating in parliament that she and only she was in charge. Questions she didn't answer, instead she went on about how good she'd done it, helped the poor farmers, was politically prosecuted, etc., etc. Now the OAG has said they'll charge Ms. Yingluck at the Supreme Court for Political Office holders. Once charged and she being present to hear and acknowledge the charges all information the OAG submitted to the court she and her legal team will have access to. She'll also be able to request a long list of witnesses for the defence to be heard, but how many the court will allow depends on the length of the list and the relevance of the witnesses. Nothing out of the ordinary there. BTW I think you should not underestimate the value of the statements Ms. Yingluck and her cabinet have made over 2-1/2 years running the scheme. Self-incriminating one might say. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Thea01 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Penal code section OOYA: Any one convicted of "Failure to address issues" will be subject to criminal charges and banned from politics. That leaves no one in politics…! Anarchy anyone? I will help you to understand this topic. Imagine that you have been arrested and charged with a crime. You go before a judge who hears the prosecution, and then asks if you have anything to say in your defense. Will reciting the Gettysburg address help you? She can recite excerpts from War and Peace for all I care. The burden here is on the prosecution. She is accused of dereliction of duty for allowing corruption - or similar to the topic, failure to address and stop corruption. A crime involves an ACTION, whether it be fraudulent or criminal, not a non-action. That is the problem with the logical fallacy behind the charges. You can't prove a negative! In England, the US and some states of Australia there is an offence called "Misprision of a felony" A misprision of a felony is the concealment of a felony without giving any degree of support to the felony. To sustain a conviction of misprision of a felony, it must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt: that the principal had committed and completed the felony alleged; that the defendant had full knowledge of that fact; that the defendant failed to notify authorities; and that the defendant took affirmative steps to conceal the crime of the principal. So yes, you can take action against someone contrary to what you state but here in Thailand, I do not know, maybe someone with Thai law expertise will know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlQaholic Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 How can there be a censure debate without a government to debate it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 How can there be a censure debate without a government to debate it?? There is a fully functional government in Thailand at the moment!!! Strange statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 She can recite excerpts from War and Peace for all I care. The burden here is on the prosecution. She is accused of dereliction of duty for allowing corruption - or similar to the topic, failure to address and stop corruption. A crime involves an ACTION, whether it be fraudulent or criminal, not a non-action. That is the problem with the logical fallacy behind the charges. You can't prove a negative! So you don't recognise dereliction of duty, criminal negligence or depraved indifference as crimes? Well your failure to comprehend won't help Yingluk, or yourself should you be charged with any of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
american12bthai Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Supremacy of the law? More like supremacy of the junta! She hasn't fled there's been no tears just grace and dignity and this farce is only going to make her more popular than ever before no matter which way it goes. The self proclaimed peoples champion hides behind a monks robe ignoring court summonses and currying favour for his divisive efforts in bringing down Thailands elected government while this lady stands face to face with her accusers. If the general thought he would wipe the Shinawatras off the political map then sadly for the junta and yellow dems the complete reverse is happening. you see only the flowers that bloom on the field and the bees that pollinate them, you ignore the toxicity that poisons the ground and the pollution that murders the bees . you truly are a stuttering parrot, repeating only what you have been trained to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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