Abu Hamza gets life in plot to kidnap tourists in Yemen

[Lite Beer]

Islamic cleric gets life in plot to kidnap tourists in Yemen
LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — An Egyptian-born cleric who turned a London mosque into a training ground for extremist Islamists was sent to prison for life on Friday by a judge who cited his lack of remorse for "barbaric" acts that included aiding kidnappers who killed four tourists in Yemen in 1998 and sending two men to the United States to open a terrorist training camp in Oregon.

"If released, you would do it again," U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest told Mustafa Kamel Mustafa, a former engineer who was jailed by Great Britain on separate charges in 2004 and extradited to the United States in 2012.

The white-haired Mustafa remained composed as the judge announced the sentence, saying it was significant "you have not expressed sympathy or remorse for the victims of the Yemeni kidnapping."

She called his actions "barbaric, misguided and wrong" and read aloud the names of the victims, saying, "With the passage of time, their names have not been lost."

The judge said a life sentence was necessary in part because Mustafa, 56, had "not had a change of heart" and would try to inspire others to commit violence if he were released.

She quoted from his speeches, including one in which he advocated killing people and another in which he called terrorism "a very effective weapon." She called him a "very complicated man," saying he had been raised in privilege, attending private schools and getting an advanced degree.

She acknowledged he was loved by his family but added: "Evil comes in many forms but doesn't always show itself immediately in all its darkness."

Mustafa's lawyers had urged leniency, citing his missing hands and forearms from what he says was a 1993 accident with explosives when he helped the Pakistani military as a civil engineer. Mustafa also suffers from psoriasis, diabetes and high blood pressure.

The judge said she will not prejudge the ability of the Federal Bureau of Prisons to properly evaluate Mustafa's needs and to designate an appropriate prison.

Asked to speak, Mustafa, also known as Abu Hamza al-Masri, maintained his innocence and called for a worldwide investigation into the cause of the World Trade Center's collapse on Sept. 11, 2001. But, otherwise, he spent 15 minutes complaining about life in prison as a double amputee. He spoke calmly, in a professorial tone he mastered during his trial testimony.

In May, a jury convicted Mustafa of aiding terrorists who kidnapped tourists in Yemen by consulting with their leader and by providing them with a satellite phone. He also was convicted of helping others plot to open a terror training camp in Bly, Oregon.

The judge called the satellite phone an "indispensable tool" and said that even though the planned training camp never materialized, "success of that camp would have meant death to many people."

In a statement, U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said: "Abu Hamza's blood-soaked journey from cleric to convict, from Imam to inmate, is now complete."

Defense attorney Sam Schmidt told the judge that housing Mustafa at Colorado's Supermax federal prison, sometimes referred to as the Alcatraz of the Rockies, would violate assurances the United States made to British judges to secure his 2012 extradition.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Edward Kim said Mustafa has tried to dictate where he's imprisoned as part of his effort to remain in control.

Kim said messages Mustafa repeatedly delivered from his pulpit at London's Finsbury Park Mosque, which attracted men including Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and shoe bomber Richard Reid, were hate-filled.

"His ideology was simple, and it was brutal — non-Muslims should be killed," he said.

The judge said she reviewed tapes of an interview hostage victim Mary Quin, a U.S. citizen who now lives in New Zealand, conducted with Mustafa in his London mosque as Quin worked on a book. The judge said she was struck that Mustafa referred to the kidnappings without remorse, saying, "We didn't know it would be that bad."

She said it was as if "you were remarking on a day that had rain when you thought there would be sunshine."

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-01-10

[Mosha]

Better make it solitary then. so he can't pass on his poison.

[uptheos]

Does life actually mean 'life'?

[yankee99]

Does life actually mean 'life'?

in this case my guess is yes.

[mrtoad]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

[robertthebruce]

Best place for him...

[mrtoad]

The religion of peace....

[i claudius]

The religion of peace....

More like bits and pieces.when they blow you up.

[Manbing]

Wasting good bullets for this nutter.

Why prolong his opportunity for meeting rapture?

[Johnny S]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

In EU they dont do anything to these parasites untill they start killing like in Paris - acting when its too late is unfortunately a sign of EU-culture

[Manbing]

Islam is a religion that sprung up around the 7th century. Mohamed a sand pirate, said he heard an angel in a cave tell him what to do. Its not ancient.

Since then Islam extremists have been killing people in the name of Mohammed and other nutters claiming to be the genuine chosen prophet. (If you hadn't already guessed, I'm a non- believer)

Islam is intolerant of other religions, unlike other religions which have allowed others to exist freely. The extremists who follow this religion insist no-one should question, just believe. Its incredibly Amish like. These clerics are self styled nutters.

Its not enough to imprison them, however isolated, for however long. They need to be killed like a cancer. They breed more nutters, by being imprisoned they become martyrs.

The punishments should extend to their families and associates, arrest them all and send them all to live in Iran or Indonesia or Saudi Arabia.They seem to enjoy hosting this particular flavor of nutter there. Uproot the family and simply dump them in a Muslim country. Sudan might be a place to start. Send them to the land they all profess to belong to.

Its time to send a clear message, you want to commune with Allah, then the state will let you.

If you think this is too radical, its not a radical as the plans these idiots have got for you.

[Neilly]

Islam is a religion that sprung up around the 7th century. Mohamed a sand pirate, said he heard an angel in a cave tell him what to do. Its not ancient.

Since then Islam extremists have been killing people in the name of Mohammed and other nutters claiming to be the genuine chosen prophet. (If you hadn't already guessed, I'm a non- believer)

Islam is intolerant of other religions, unlike other religions which have allowed others to exist freely. The extremists who follow this religion insist no-one should question, just believe. Its incredibly Amish like. These clerics are self styled nutters.

Its not enough to imprison them, however isolated, for however long. They need to be killed like a cancer. They breed more nutters, by being imprisoned they become martyrs.

The punishments should extend to their families and associates, arrest them all and send them all to live in Iran or Indonesia or Saudi Arabia.They seem to enjoy hosting this particular flavor of nutter there. Uproot the family and simply dump them in a Muslim country. Sudan might be a place to start. Send them to the land they all profess to belong to.

Its time to send a clear message, you want to commune with Allah, then the state will let you.

If you think this is too radical, its not a radical as the plans these idiots have got for you.

Black Jack Pershing

[F4UCorsair]

More filth fron the 'religion of peace', but there will be those, soft c*** politicians amongst them, who will proclaim that this has nothing to do with islam. When the instigators of violence say it is in the name of islam, wear the fancy dress, chant 'allahu akbar', those denying it is about islam must be imbeciles.

[uptheos]

Does life actually mean 'life'?

in this case my guess is yes.

I wish the judge had actually said something like, "life without parole" or 'life + 99 years"

If the judgement was simply 'life' then it leaves a door open, maybe a long way down the road but a possibility.

[Scott]

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[Moonlover]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment.

I'm sure that all concerned were very happy to see the back of this evil creature when the US took charge of him.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Moonlover

[mrtoad]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment

Yeah after yeats of hate speach and scrounging off the state. Payehtic immigration laws allowed this vile specimen in the country in the first place

[AhFarangJa]

I remember when the authorities closed his mosque in Finsbury park he took to preaching in the street, actually blocking it on a Friday to deliver his diatribe, and the police stood by and watched!!! too politically correct to interfere with his free speech. Yet, if I closed the street and started Bible bashing, guess what, I would be arrested for obstructing a public highway!! As you say MrToad, soft and pathetic immigration laws!!

Well, I for one hope he gets put in general population and given bacon sandwiches and pork scratchings for the rest of his natural, scum of the earth,

Thank you rant over now,

[Mosha]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment.

I'm sure that all concerned were very happy to see the back of this evil creature when the US took charge of him.

We the British taxpayer still pay for his family to live here - they should be binned off to whatever nutcase country he supports !

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/477268/Abu-Hamza-s-family-allowed-to-stay-in-1-25-million-London-home-and-claim-33-800-benefits

From that link

"Several of Hamza's sons have also become criminals."

Now ain't that just lovely?

[kimamey]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment

Yeah after yeats of hate speach and scrounging off the state. Payehtic immigration laws allowed this vile specimen in the country in the first place

Not going to admit you were wrong then?

[Jay Sata]

The UK Labour government under Blair allowed the likes of Hamza and others to breed today's generation of terrorists.

There are several high profile preachers of hate still living of the UK state and allowed to spew their evil rhetoric thanks to politcal correctness.

[mrtoad]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment

Yeah after yeats of hate speach and scrounging off the state. Payehtic immigration laws allowed this vile specimen in the country in the first place

Not going to admit you were wrong then?

Wrong about what?

The taxpayer is still footing the bill for his vermin offspring.

[outsider]

He can start counting his lucky stars already, that at least he is not in a prison or in a system where 'accidental deaths' and 'suicides' are the norm.

[Steely Dan]

How he was never jailed in the UK god only knows.

This bloke is vermin, hope he rots in a supermax

He was. See this from Wikipedia:

In 2004, Hamza was arrested by British police after the United States requested he be extradited to face charges. He was later charged by British authorities with sixteen offences for inciting violence and racial hatred.In 2006, a British court found him guilty of inciting violence, and sentenced him to seven years' imprisonment.

I'm sure that all concerned were very happy to see the back of this evil creature when the US took charge of him.

We the British taxpayer still pay for his family to live here - they should be binned off to whatever nutcase country he supports !

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/477268/Abu-Hamza-s-family-allowed-to-stay-in-1-25-million-London-home-and-claim-33-800-benefits

From that link

"Several of Hamza's sons have also become criminals."

Now ain't that just lovely?

Yes, enrichment that spans generations, which shows our immigration policies are the gift that keeps on giving.

[halloween]

Mustafa's lawyers had urged leniency, citing his missing hands and forearms..............which will make chicken choking difficult. Cruel and unusual punishment?

[bendejo]

He also was convicted of helping others plot to open a terror training camp in Bly, Oregon.

An idea they no doubt gave a lot of thought to.

Maybe they figured the FBI/CIA/etc wouldn't think to look there, but did they ever think the locals would notice a bunch of guys dressed like they're in a Nativity scene running around? "Allahu Akbar" echoing through the hills? Add to that there is no shortage of right-wing fringe types (like the ones who went to defend Bundy Ranch), and gun ownership is very common, I would guess the folks there might settle things themselves before they call in external law enforcement. I'd like to see how that one plays out.

[ableguy]

Islam is a religion that sprung up around the 7th century. Mohamed a sand pirate, said he heard an angel in a cave tell him what to do. Its not ancient.

Since then Islam extremists have been killing people in the name of Mohammed and other nutters claiming to be the genuine chosen prophet. (If you hadn't already guessed, I'm a non- believer)

Islam is intolerant of other religions, unlike other religions which have allowed others to exist freely. The extremists who follow this religion insist no-one should question, just believe. Its incredibly Amish like. These clerics are self styled nutters.

Its not enough to imprison them, however isolated, for however long. They need to be killed like a cancer. They breed more nutters, by being imprisoned they become martyrs.

The punishments should extend to their families and associates, arrest them all and send them all to live in Iran or Indonesia or Saudi Arabia.They seem to enjoy hosting this particular flavor of nutter there. Uproot the family and simply dump them in a Muslim country. Sudan might be a place to start. Send them to the land they all profess to belong to.

Its time to send a clear message, you want to commune with Allah, then the state will let you.

If you think this is too radical, its not a radical as the plans these idiots have got for you.

The only thing I would add is why not let them commute with Allah and order their virgins whilst being tossed out of Herc at thirty thousand feet strapped to a water board.

[45slap]

Bye bye, Hook!

[NeverSure]

He also was convicted of helping others plot to open a terror training camp in Bly, Oregon.

An idea they no doubt gave a lot of thought to.

Maybe they figured the FBI/CIA/etc wouldn't think to look there, but did they ever think the locals would notice a bunch of guys dressed like they're in a Nativity scene running around? "Allahu Akbar" echoing through the hills? Add to that there is no shortage of right-wing fringe types (like the ones who went to defend Bundy Ranch), and gun ownership is very common, I would guess the folks there might settle things themselves before they call in external law enforcement. I'd like to see how that one plays out.

Bly, Oregon is about as far into the sticks as you can get. The town is a wide spot in the road. It is beautiful country and the people are armed to the teeth if for no other reasons than hunting and self defense. Self defense because they mostly live on ranches where they are alone out of sight of neighbors except for the few who live in the tiny town.

Towns like that are suspicious of any strangers because the locals all know each other and if newbs don't go out of their way to get acquainted red flags go up. This regardless of how they dress or look.

I recall the news about that camp but it seems it was quite a while ago.

There aren't very many Muslims in the US. The last report I saw said .8% of the population. They must not feel welcome. I wonder why.

[F4UCorsair]

Mustafa's lawyers had urged leniency, citing his missing hands and forearms..............which will make chicken choking difficult. Cruel and unusual punishment?

He may find himself taking it up the shorts, or under the robe, and that may be the ultimate insult. But.....I see plenty of them hanging out in Soi Nana with LB's in tow, so maybe islam, or some of its members, aren't so opposed to homosexuality as it or they profess??

Good cartoon here http://pickeringpost.com/kyola/resources/articles/22102014%20Burka%20grandna%20S.png