Why the Muslim 'no-go-zone' myth won't die

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Why the Muslim 'No-Go-Zone' Myth Won't Die
There's no evidence of extremist takeover of areas in Europe or the United States. So why do the claims continue?
DAVID A. GRAHAM

Have you heard about the areas of Europe, or perhaps even of the United States, that are run by jihadists and which non-Muslims can't even enter?

WASHINGTON: -- Don't get too worried if you haven't: They don't exist. Or maybe you have, if you watch Fox News or read snippets of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's speech about Islamic extremism. While politics is rife with falsehoods, myths, and baseless rumors, it's often tough to see exactly where a claim comes from, and how it reaches a wider audience—including, for example, a Republican governor with apparent presidential aspirations and a reputation as a sober policy wonk. Here, however, it's possible to follow forensic traces and see how some small elements of truth metastasized into an outlandish claim.

Here's what Jindal said, via CNN:

In the West, non-assimilationist Muslims establish enclaves and carry out as much of Sharia law as they can without regard for the laws of the democratic countries which provided them a new home ....

It is startling to think that any country would allow, even unofficially, for a so called "no-go zone." The idea that a free country would allow for specific areas of its country to operate in an autonomous way that is not free and is in direct opposition to its laws is hard to fathom.

When CNN reporter Max Foster pressed him on this passage after the speech, Jindal couldn't name any specific instances. But he pointed to a report in the famously unreliable tabloid Daily Mail, and couched his refusal to back down as bold truth-telling: "I think that the radical Left absolutely wants to pretend like this problem is not here. Pretending it's not here won't make it go away."

Full story: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/paris-mayor-to-sue-fox-over-no-go-zone-comments/384656/

-- The Atlantic 2015-01-21

[Ulysses G.]

I have not been to the West for 25 years, so not sure if No-Go zones are real, or not, but here is the conservative side of the argument.

No-go zones are Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims due to a variety of factors, including the lawlessness and insecurity that pervades a great number of these areas. Host-country authorities have effectively lost control over many no-go zones and are often unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim youth.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

[zaphod reborn]

There are ghettos that are "no-go zones" in the US and Europe. The Charlie Hebdo gunmen lived in such a ghetto. Some of the ghettos in Europe do have a lot of Muslims living in them. I think Fox News and other media outlets have probably sensationalized their reporting when they refer to them as Muslim "no-go zones". Still, the Muslims who live in these ghettos are easily radicalized by others, and that's the problem facing the west.

[phrodan]

I have not been to the West for 25 years, so not sure if No-Go zones are real, or not, but here is the conservative side of the argument.

No-go zones are Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims due to a variety of factors, including the lawlessness and insecurity that pervades a great number of these areas. Host-country authorities have effectively lost control over many no-go zones and are often unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim youth.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

If you haven't been to the west for twenty-five years then don't comment.

And don't believe everything your read on the Internet.

[loppylugs1]

Was it Bradford that installed fencing and barriers stopping people entering muslim areas a few years ago. Not only visible,taxi drivers had their routings tracked ,not once went though mussie area

[Ulysses G.]

And don't believe everything your read on the Internet.

Learn to read. I did not say what I believe - one way or the other.

[SoiBiker]

Silly paranoid nonsense.

[up-country_sinclair]

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

[phrodan]

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

Really?

I thought hate and intolerance are spread via public beheadings on youtube.

You can't beat that!

Yes, it's a little known fact that white people are beheaded every day in Bradford.

I saw it on the Internet, it must be true. Let me find a link

[loppylugs1]

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

Really?

I thought hate and intolerance are spread via public beheadings on youtube.

You can't beat that!

It is when the mussies get to be the majority that problems develop. We saw that in Tower Hamlets,Rahman (sp) voted in by dishonest means and now awaiting criminal proceedings,, he pushed his agenda. Saying there is no problem is only masking the inevitable

[Ulysses G.]

Idiotic stuff

Idiotic stuff like telling people on the Internet that they can't comment on a subject unless they have been there personally? I hope they start enforcing that rule on the anti-American posters.

[chuckd]

I have not been to the West for 25 years, so not sure if No-Go zones are real, or not, but here is the conservative side of the argument.

No-go zones are Muslim-dominated neighborhoods that are largely off limits to non-Muslims due to a variety of factors, including the lawlessness and insecurity that pervades a great number of these areas. Host-country authorities have effectively lost control over many no-go zones and are often unable or unwilling to provide even basic public aid, such as police, fire fighting and ambulance services, out of fear of being attacked by Muslim youth.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

If you haven't been to the west for twenty-five years then don't comment.

And don't believe everything your read on the Internet.

Who died and left you in charge?

UG has a post count as of this post standing at 40,603.

You have 26.

Come back when you have gained some relevancy.

[Mosha]

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

It may surprise you that some of us have family on the edge of these muslim majority areas. I don't hear much good stuff from family and friends.

[Choctastic]

UG has a post count as of this post standing at 40,603.

You have 26.

Come back when you have gained some relevancy.

An average of 11 posts per day, over the last 10 years. Life outside the internet must be a 'No-Go' Zone.

[Steely Dan]

Fox News were guilty of having someone comment on the UK and France who had no first hand experience, hence their ignorance of some details showed. As ever the liberals latch on to this acting as if this means there are no problem areas. This is just ideologically motivated dishonesty. There is a large and growing problem, if the crime statistics are examined in detail this is clear to see.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/robert-spencer/no-no-go-zones-really/

Then we have Tommy Robinson recounting the way Luton has changed. I invite anyone to watch it and draw their own conclusions. Rather more credible than some middle class lib-left academic who would never dream of living in one of the 'mythical' problem areas.

Edited January 21, 2015 by Steely Dan

[Ulysses G.]

UG has a post count as of this post standing at 40,603.

You have 26.

Come back when you have gained some relevancy.

An average of 11 posts per day, over the last 10 years. Life outside the internet must be a 'No-Go' Zone.

Some of us work for a living. I have computer sitting in front of me at the job and hardly ever post during my free time. Welcome to the Internet age.

[SoiBiker]

I saw one of these areas dominated by immigrants just recently. It was filled with businesses catering to the immigrants, with signage in their own language. There were immigrants everywhere, dressing and acting as they chose without any regard for local custom. They spoke their own language and expected locals in the area to do the same. Many of them seem to look down on the locals, and most made no effort to integrate with local culture in any way.

Sukhumvit, I think it was called.

[Scott]

I saw one of these areas dominated by immigrants just recently. It was filled with businesses catering to the immigrants, with signage in their own language. There were immigrants everywhere, dressing and acting as they chose without any regard for local custom. They spoke their own language and expected locals in the area to do the same. Many of them seem to look down on the locals, and most made no effort to integrate with local culture in any way.

Sukhumvit, I think it was called.

I doubt that most of those are immigrants. Many are called tourists.

[NeverSure]

Learn to read. I did not say what I believe - one way or the other.

You posted a stupid link after admitting you have no clue as you haven't been there. Maybe ask some of us that not only have been in the west, but also in towns like Bradford - or maybe you think your link has more value, huh?

Idiotic stuff

Oh, you're going to be a lot of fun on the forum.

[NeverSure]

I saw one of these areas dominated by immigrants just recently. It was filled with businesses catering to the immigrants, with signage in their own language. There were immigrants everywhere, dressing and acting as they chose without any regard for local custom. They spoke their own language and expected locals in the area to do the same. Many of them seem to look down on the locals, and most made no effort to integrate with local culture in any way.

Sukhumvit, I think it was called.

What immigrants would that be? People on non-immigrant extensions of stay? Tourists? Overstayers?

[chuckd]

UG has a post count as of this post standing at 40,603.

You have 26.

Come back when you have gained some relevancy.

An average of 11 posts per day, over the last 10 years. Life outside the internet must be a 'No-Go' Zone.

You might do well to follow the same advice I gave the other newbie.

[Commander Tamson]

I saw one of these areas dominated by immigrants just recently. It was filled with businesses catering to the immigrants, with signage in their own language. There were immigrants everywhere, dressing and acting as they chose without any regard for local custom. They spoke their own language and expected locals in the area to do the same. Many of them seem to look down on the locals, and most made no effort to integrate with local culture in any way.

Sukhumvit, I think it was called.

I doubt that most of those are immigrants. Many are called tourists.

Tourists ; immigrants. No difference to the likes of Soibiker and his/her mates, the apologists & the governing Thai elite. All of Thailand's current problems are due to non-Thais.

For me, Sukhumvit/Asoke is already a no-go area, but not because of the farangs.

[H1w4yR1da]

If you haven't been to the west for twenty-five years then don't comment.

And don't believe everything your read on the Internet.

And who made you daddy?

There are no-go zones for non-muslims in the west. It's just not PC to say so.

The libtards scream racism and Islamophobia.

See the next quote for proof

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

Right, right!

Of course it's got nothing to do with the constant atrocities committed by Muslims following that most hateful and intolerant of religions?

[phrodan]

If you haven't been to the west for twenty-five years then don't comment.

And don't believe everything your read on the Internet.

And who made you daddy?

There are no-go zones for non-muslims in the west. It's just not PC to say so.

The libtards scream racism and Islamophobia.

See the next quote for proof

This "no go zone" thing is just another example of how Muslim demonizers spread hatred and intolerance.

Right, right!

Of course it's got nothing to do with the constant atrocities committed by Muslims following that most hateful and intolerant of religions?

Garbage - the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are peace loving family people.

It's comical that you use a Crusader as your avatar - those "Christians," that went on a murderous rampage are heroes to you, eh?

[Steely Dan]

Fox News were guilty of having someone comment on the UK and France who had no first hand experience, hence their ignorance of some details showed. As ever the liberals latch on to this acting as if this means there are no problem areas. This is just ideologically motivated dishonesty. There is a large and growing problem, if the crime statistics are examined in detail this is clear to see.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/robert-spencer/no-no-go-zones-really/

Then we have Tommy Robinson recounting the way Luton has changed. I invite anyone to watch it and draw their own conclusions. Rather more credible than some middle class lib-left academic who would never dream of living in one of the 'mythical' problem areas.

I don't know if you know who Tommy Robinson is - he's a violent convicted drug dealer, who has served time for fraud too. He famously quit the EDL three years ago after learning more about Islam. You could not have picked a worse guy to make your feeble point.

The lib left could give you an unflattering resume for the head of PERGIDA, for a bloke nicknamed Ffiordman, whose wrote about cultural enrichment in Scandanavia. The Americans know the game well seeing as every single Gop candidate gets the same. This is the lib left mindset when they can't refute the facts. Well as you can see looking at the rise of anti Islamization parties in Europe this no longer works any more, as is the case with your pet word Islamophobia.

Anyone, pick a European Country, likely as not I can find video footage of diversity in action.

[Choctastic]

You might do well to follow the same advice I gave the other newbie.

What are you. The forum QC Inspector? I post as I see fit. As I'm sure he will.

[transam]

Many decades ago Brixton in London became a no go area for us honkies, afro stuff........Stuff IS happening in the UK and has been for years, the non integration thingy........Wake up people.......Us nice folk are going to be in trouble in the future for putting our hand out in friendship to all....Sadly....

[SoiBiker]

Many decades ago Brixton in London became a no go area for us honkies, afro stuff........

That's nonsense. When I lived in London I went to Brixton all the time, and knew a number of 'honkies' that lived there.

[Ulysses G.]

Fox News were guilty of having someone comment on the UK and France who had no first hand experience, hence their ignorance of some details showed. As ever the liberals latch on to this acting as if this means there are no problem areas. This is just ideologically motivated dishonesty. There is a large and growing problem, if the crime statistics are examined in detail this is clear to see.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/robert-spencer/no-no-go-zones-really/

Then we have Tommy Robinson recounting the way Luton has changed. I invite anyone to watch it and draw their own conclusions. Rather more credible than some middle class lib-left academic who would never dream of living in one of the 'mythical' problem areas.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GyzGayfI400

I don't know if you know who Tommy Robinson is - he's a violent convicted drug dealer, who has served time for fraud too. He famously quit the EDL three years ago after learning more about Islam.

Not true. He quit because he thought that too many racists were joining the EDL and he was never anti-Muslim. He is against radical Islam.

Mr Robinson said it was still his aim to "counter Islamist ideology", although "not with violence but with better, democratic ideas".

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-24442953

[chuckd]

You might do well to follow the same advice I gave the other newbie.

What are you. The forum QC Inspector? I post as I see fit. As I'm sure he will.

I made a suggestion, you choose not to follow it.

What could possibly make you think I care what you think? Over and out.

Edited January 21, 2015 by chuckd