Nan Buddhists protest mosque construction

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Nan Buddhists Protest Mosque Construction
By Khaosod English


More than 1,000 Buddhists gathered by Phra That Chae Haeng Temple in Nan province to protest a plan to construct a mosque, 1 March 2015.

NAN — More than 1,000 Buddhists gathered by a temple in northern Thailand yesterday to protest a plan to construct a mosque in Nan province.

The rally came in response to news that a group of local Muslims had purchased a plot of land in Nam Kaen subdistrict, where they said they intended to build a house of worship.

Buddhists march to Nan City hall to protest the construction of a mosque, 1 March 2015.

After gathering in front of Phra That Chae Haeng Temple yesterday, more than 1,o00 white-clad protesters, who were joined by Buddhist monks and novices, marched to Nan City Hall and submitted a letter urging the provincial government to halt the mosque project.

The letter insisted that opposition to the mosque was not motivated by "religious persecution," but rather dissatisfaction by a lack of transparency and public consultation over the project.

The letter also cited other concerns, such as "noise pollution," "differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque.

According to a representative from the Muslim group in Nan, the nearest mosque is 130km away in a neighboring province.

"It's not convenient for us to travel, and it's dangerous, because some people have to travel by motorcycles, so I think there should be a mosque as a community center for Muslim brothers and sisters," Imaam Yarin was quoted as saying by Thai Rath newspaper.

Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1425282802


-- Khaosod English 2015-03-02

[Somtamnication]

Wish they protested all the mosques built in the UK.

Good on them!

[Bluespunk]

"The letter insisted that opposition to the mosque was not motivated by "religious persecution," but rather dissatisfaction by a lack of transparency and public consultation over the project."

Yeah, right.

The writers of that BS letter might want to check to see if their pants are on fire.

[Bluespunk]

"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

[Bluespunk]

yeah, islam the cult of peace NOT

Wow. Such an awesomely intellectual contribution. This thread is over. No one can overcome the stunning brilliance of this contribution. Bravo my good fellow.

[NextStationBangkok]

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"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

Just a matter of justification, there are 100s of 1000s of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus living in the Middle east for work and living, will they allow them build Churches and Temples there ?

If they are talking about religious freedom, they should consider in every country, not just enforce in the secular countries.

[Bluespunk]

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"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

Just a matter of justification, there are 100s of 1000s of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus living in the Middle east for work and living, will they allow them build Churches and Temples there ?

If they are talking about religious freedom, they should consider in every country, not just enforce in the secular countries.

Completely agree with you.

Religious bigotry and intolerance is unacceptable anywhere.

No one has the right to dictate to another what faith, if any, they follow nor impede anyone's ability to follow the faith of their choice.

[nikmar]

i thought religion preached tolerance.

[DM07]

Ahhhh- the tolerant and peaceful Thai- Buddhists!

Butthurt about punk-singers wearing safron-robes, people doing yoga OUTSIDE of a temple, stuff that happens halfway across the globe..now eager to fight "noise pollution" (in Thailand! What a joke!), a different lifestyles and culture!

And -of course- a fear of unrest and violence!

If you learn from the (paranoid) West- why can it not be something useful?!

[robblok]

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"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

Just a matter of justification, there are 100s of 1000s of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus living in the Middle east for work and living, will they allow them build Churches and Temples there ?

If they are talking about religious freedom, they should consider in every country, not just enforce in the secular countries.

Completely agree with you.

Religious bigotry and intolerance is unacceptable anywhere.

No one has the right to dictate to another what faith, if any, they follow nor impede anyone's ability to follow the faith of their choice.

Im divided on this topic.. not allowing anymore mosques in other countries until there is religious freedom in the middle east might pressure the Muslims over there to loosen up to help their fellow believers.

On the other hand (at least here in Thailand) the Muslims are ordinary Thais not immigrants and not allowing them to believe makes this country then as bad as those countries in the middle east that don't allow religious freedom.

Same like not allowing Thais to own land abroad might pressure Thais here to loosen up the regulations. (though it would bring many people in trouble just to show that trying to pressure people hurts those that have nothing to do with it)

[iReason]

Religions.

Seems to me, all intolerance and hate comes their archaic practices.

They are all anachronisms.

[cooked]

Balls. Islaam is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Muslim you have to accept the Koran 100%. That includes stoning of apostates and adulterers, something that is accepted by 45% of Muslims in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, sharia law... come on guys do some reading. Switzerland is the envy of Europe because it passed a law BY POPULAR VOTE stopping the construction of mosques.

[dru2]

Balls. Islaam is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Muslim you have to accept the Koran 100%. That includes stoning of apostates and adulterers, something that is accepted by 45% of Muslims in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, sharia law... come on guys do some reading. Switzerland is the envy of Europe because it passed a law BY POPULAR VOTE stopping the construction of mosques.

I think it was the construction of minarets, not mosques?

A couple of decades ago Saudi Arabia asked for permission to construct a mosque in Axum, the holy see of the Ethiopian Coptic Church. The Ethiopian Patriarch replied along the lines of: "Of course, as soon as we can build a church in Mecca".

[doremifasol]

[winstonc]

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"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

Just a matter of justification, there are 100s of 1000s of Christians, Buddhists, Hindus living in the Middle east for work and living, will they allow them build Churches and Temples there ?

If they are talking about religious freedom, they should consider in every country, not just enforce in the secular countries.

Completely agree with you.

Religious bigotry and intolerance is unacceptable anywhere.

No one has the right to dictate to another what faith, if any, they follow nor impede anyone's ability to follow the faith of their choice.

religion..is vile full stop..ban it worldwide..people believing there really is a god ..grow up .again christopher hitchens youtube for the utterly stupid who believe in this rubbish...

[tullynagardy]

Balls. Islaam is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Muslim you have to accept the Koran 100%. That includes stoning of apostates and adulterers, something that is accepted by 45% of Muslims in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, sharia law... come on guys do some reading. Switzerland is the envy of Europe because it passed a law BY POPULAR VOTE stopping the construction of mosques.

Alternatively

Balls. Christianity is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Christian you have to accept the bible 100%. That includes canibalism, slavery and rape, something that is accepted by 45% of Christians in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, canon law... come on guys do some reading.

I used Christianity but I could have used Buddism just as easily. (have a look at whats going on in Burma.)

This ignorant, prejudice, shit fails to aknowledge Islam is no different than any other imaginary friend which people kill in the name of.

[dave_boo]

I used Christianity but I could have used Buddism just as easily. (have a look at whats going on in Burma.)

This ignorant, prejudice, shit fails to aknowledge Islam is no different than any other imaginary friend which people kill in the name of.

Show me any other religion who has unending violence against ALL other people as a tenet of their faith.

I agree that religion is silly; but if you have a snake and a mouse in your house, you don't get rid of the mouse first as the snake may bite you now it's food is gone.

[Artisi]

I used Christianity but I could have used Buddism just as easily. (have a look at whats going on in Burma.)

This ignorant, prejudice, shit fails to aknowledge Islam is no different than any other imaginary friend which people kill in the name of.

Show me any other religion who has unending violence against ALL other people as a tenet of their faith.

I agree that religion is silly; but if you have a snake and a mouse in your house, you don't get rid of the mouse first as the snake may bite you now it's food is gone.

So, who goes in this case, the Buddhist or the Muslims?

[dave_boo]

I used Christianity but I could have used Buddism just as easily. (have a look at whats going on in Burma.)

This ignorant, prejudice, shit fails to aknowledge Islam is no different than any other imaginary friend which people kill in the name of.

Show me any other religion who has unending violence against ALL other people as a tenet of their faith.

I agree that religion is silly; but if you have a snake and a mouse in your house, you don't get rid of the mouse first as the snake may bite you now it's food is gone.

So, who goes in this case, the Buddhist or the Muslims?

The one murdering people (and other evils) around the world as commanded by their scriptures.

[h90]

Wish they protested all the mosques built in the UK.

Good on them!

Rather the Muslims protest a church built in the UK......

[tomacht8]

Followers of the revealed religions - Jews and Christians - Islamic law granted freedom in the exercise of their religious practices and restrictions, which defines the Islamic law, in the exercise of their religious duties. It provides no penalty for the failure of the religious duties of a non-Muslim. In a historical perspective, however, the Islamic law provides certain restrictions on the exercise of religious duties other creditors. The best-known document for the treatment of Christians after the conquest of the cities of Syria and Mesopotamia by the second caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab (592-644) confirmed contract that should apply to future contracts as a guide and in works of alien law - was handed down - such as with the acting to 923 Abu Bakr al-Khallal. Some conditions that had to meet the Christians were: no construction of new churches or monasteries; no reconstruction of destroyed churches in the residential quarters of the Muslims; no cross on the church towers; no public show of the cross or the Bible in the presence of Muslims; no loud Praying or loud recitation of sacred texts; no proselytizing.

[h90]

Balls. Islaam is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Muslim you have to accept the Koran 100%. That includes stoning of apostates and adulterers, something that is accepted by 45% of Muslims in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, sharia law... come on guys do some reading. Switzerland is the envy of Europe because it passed a law BY POPULAR VOTE stopping the construction of mosques.

Come on...Religion of peace: Which is?

Buddhist monks or Christians all bless weapons of the army which whole purpose is to kill.

All the same.....making money on promises delivered after your dead.....

[tomacht8]

A Thai friend told me that in Nan live primarily Buddhists.
The Moslems can practice their faith at home, no one has anything against it.
But no one has the desire to be woken up at 5 clock in the morning, through the loudspeakers from a mosque.

[John1012]

Radical Islam has been at war with non Muslims (and fellow Muslims) for centuries. Only in the last 20 or so years has it become so well reported, internet?. The people of Nan are just reacting to what they have seen globally and do not want to encourage the possibility that they might be nurturing a viper in their midst. 30 years ago I would not have even thought that a follower of Islam would be a danger to me, now I am aware that any follower of Islam COULD be an extremist and could kill me or mine . Perhaps the government could print a health warning on followers of Islam so that we, infidels, would know which ones were safe to live along side and which ones we are to avoid. Until such time, or when moderate followers of Islam expel and destroy those from within their ranks that are destroying their religion, I quite understand why people don't want to encourage the growth of Islam. And b*ll*cks to all those feeble liberal pr*cks that say people have the right to practice their religion as they see fit.

[John1012]

"differences in lifestyle and culture" between Buddhists and Muslims, and possible "unrest and violence" that could follow the construction of the mosque."

On whose part?

The Muslims just want a place to pray.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing is wrong with wanting a place to pray. But people no longer trust the followers of Islam. They do not want them . All followers of Islam are no longer trusted, is he my friend and co-worker or has he become radicalised and will he destroy me and mine? I cannot tell. If someone has been exposed to an infectious desease, they are quarintined until proven healthy. Islam has been exposed to a virilant dose of radicalism, so it is natural that those not exposed are wary of those that could be infectious.

[cooked]

Balls. Islaam is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Muslim you have to accept the Koran 100%. That includes stoning of apostates and adulterers, something that is accepted by 45% of Muslims in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, sharia law... come on guys do some reading. Switzerland is the envy of Europe because it passed a law BY POPULAR VOTE stopping the construction of mosques.

Alternatively

Balls. Christianity is NOT a religion of peace, it's an all or nothing religion, to be a true Christian you have to accept the bible 100%. That includes canibalism, slavery and rape, something that is accepted by 45% of Christians in Europe as being justifiable, Killing those that are not submitting to their evil cult, canon law... come on guys do some reading.

I used Christianity but I could have used Buddism just as easily. (have a look at whats going on in Burma.)

This ignorant, prejudice, shit fails to aknowledge Islam is no different than any other imaginary friend which people kill in the name of.

Yeah, so all religions are the same. I don't think it is written anywhere in the bible that you have to follow all its edicts under threat of eternal hell fire. In fact there are very few edicts about how to live, and none of them exhort Christians to put members of other religions to the sword, to make them afraid, and allows them to take women of other religions as 'wives' and all the rest of it. Islam is inherently evil.

[cooked]

Followers of the revealed religions - Jews and Christians - Islamic law granted freedom in the exercise of their religious practices and restrictions, which defines the Islamic law, in the exercise of their religious duties. It provides no penalty for the failure of the religious duties of a non-Muslim. In a historical perspective, however, the Islamic law provides certain restrictions on the exercise of religious duties other creditors. The best-known document for the treatment of Christians after the conquest of the cities of Syria and Mesopotamia by the second caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab (592-644) confirmed contract that should apply to future contracts as a guide and in works of alien law - was handed down - such as with the acting to 923 Abu Bakr al-Khallal. Some conditions that had to meet the Christians were: no construction of new churches or monasteries; no reconstruction of destroyed churches in the residential quarters of the Muslims; no cross on the church towers; no public show of the cross or the Bible in the presence of Muslims; no loud Praying or loud recitation of sacred texts; no proselytizing.

For every reasonable quote from Koran you will later find a later revision, probably added for politcal reasons, many verses of the earlier Surahs were removed shortly after Mohamed's death, according to Aisha (his wife that he married when she was 6 and deflowered at the age of nine).

Here is a quote that is nearer to the truth:

"The idea that Islam is [of] peace, tolerant and compatible with Western political theory and values, I think, seems to be useful more as a strategy and not as a pursuit of the truth," (http://www.christianpost.com/news/ex-muslim-proposal-that-islam-is-tolerant-is-fallacious-dangerous-47349/ )

Muslims are allowed to lie and mislead (Taqqiya) if it leads to the furthering of Islam. That's what they do all the time, a moderate, peaceful speech on Monday and what we would call a hate speech on Tuesday.

It is not about 'a few extremists', it is about Islam, which is more about politics than religion, submission plays a major part in their cult.

[chooka]

I can see a battle of P.A systems with each trying to drown each other out.

[cooked]

I can see a battle of P.A systems with each trying to drown each other out.

10 000 posts?wow!

[webfact]

Buddhists in Nan take a stand against mosque
THE NATION



BANGKOK: -- RESIDENTS IN the northern province of Nan yesterday demanded that a public hearing be held in relation to the construction of a mosque in the predominantly Buddhist province because it would put their safety at risk.

Muslim residents plan to build a mosque in Nan's Phu Peang Phiang district, some 2 kilometres from the well-known Buddhist temple of Phra That Chae Haeng.

In January, many Buddhist residents voiced their disagreement, saying there were no Muslim people in their community and they were worried that people from outside would come to use the mosque, which might open the door to problems like those in the deep South.

People from Buppharam village in Phu Paeng Phiang district had earlier met with Imam Yarin from Lampang province to ask why it was necessary to build a mosque in their area. Village chief Charan San-gnern quoted the imam as saying that Muslim residents in Nan needed a mosque because it was inconvenient for them to travel 130km to pray in Phrae province.

Nan has a population of about 478,000, and only 60 of them are Muslim, and like many other provinces such as Kamphaeng Phet, Nakhon Phanom, Mukdahan and Sukhothai, it does not have a mosque.

Move could go to public hearing

However, last Tuesday, a group of Muslims met with Nan Deputy Governor Kajphon Erbsuksiri insisting that they needed a mosque for religious services.

Meanwhile, on Sunday, some 800 Buddhists led by Kraisak Kantha and monk Phra Maha Narongsak, gathered at Wat Phra That Chae Haeng to lodge a petition with provincial authorities demanding that construction of the mosque be stopped.

Kraisak said the Buddhist residents were not against the Muslim minority or Islam, but objected to provincial authorities allowing the construction of the mosque to go ahead without their consent.

"The mosque will definitely affect the lives of people living in the area. If the authorities do not stop the project, we will protest again," he said.

Meanwhile, Chairat Tharasantisuk, another deputy governor for Nan, said he would consult with the provincial governor, while Phu Peang's Phiang's district chief Chanathip Senyaem said he would consult with the Islamic Central Committee of Thailand.

Colonel Chatchawan Kulkusol, deputy director of Nan's Internal Security Operations Command, said the construction of any building, be it a mosque, a factory or something else, was required by law to undergo a public hearing first.

"In the case of this mosque, if locals disagree, it should not be constructed. If the Muslim people insist on going ahead with the construction, then it might have an impact on security, social unity and peace, and the consequence of conflict might be far beyond our expectation," he warned.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Buddhists-in-Nan-take-a-stand-against-mosque-30255206.html


-- The Nation 2015-03-03