Ken Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Completed my one year retirement extension in Korat yesterday, as I've done for many years. This year they have some extra "forms" to complete, like acknowledge overstay penalties. One form (attached) was completely in Thai and that form I was told my Thai wife needed to be with me to sign. There is a place at the bottom for what looks like 4 signatures. I had to sign the top spot and the officer wanted to see my Thai wife sign the bottom. He wasn't particularly "pleasant" when I asked why, with just a "grunt" in reply. Said next year I must bring wife with me. Guess we shall see, next year. Sorry for the poor quality of the document, but the original is bad as well. Can anybody read it well enough to tell me what the document is about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suradit69 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Can anybody read it well enough to tell me what the document is about? Have you tried asking your wife? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Can anybody read it well enough to tell me what the document is about? Have you tried asking your wife? Nope. Typically, she will say "cannot explain in English". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adisornc Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) The form simply get you to state your name, address etc. for the purpose of renewing your visa. You also have to specify your source of income (retirement pension and/or back deposit). The four signatures below are for you, a translator and recorders. Nothing about bringing your wife with you next time. Edited March 13, 2015 by adisornc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahjongguy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) There is nothing on the form about being married. I think the officer really meant "bring someone who can translate". It seems to be a local form whereby you attest to your address and income/bank balance and promise not to work in Thailand. Legally, it makes sense. On the TM7 form you attest to your address but you don't attest to the financial info that you submit nor is there anywhere that you confirm the prohibition against working. Edited March 13, 2015 by mahjongguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbi1 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nuddy Posted March 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle I agree. Mind you mostly I am not allowed out on my own. Regards 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I agree Since you are married the immigration officer thought it would be easier for you to bring your wife for translation Nothing to do with your visa extension I believe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billrose Posted March 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle Maybe the big deal is because he's applying for a retirement extension! You don't need to have a wife for a retirement extension, so why should he need to take her with him. I had the same problem a couple of months ago in Korat when I went for my retirement extension. My wife works, so she would have to take time off work to come with me, so I didn't take her. They wanted to see her ID card and copy of her house book, even though I don't even need a wife for a retirement extension and I've never been asked for these before. They also wanted her to sign the same document that Ken posted. When I insisted that she couldn't come to Immigration (50 Kms each way from my house), they eventually accepted that, but then they made me wait because the boss was not there to sign the extension, but the boss never came back! I had to go back twice before I finally got it signed. I've had 7 previous retirement extensions from Korat immigration with no problems before, but now they're making it very difficult. It took 3 days and 300 Kms to get my extension which previously took about 20 minutes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle Well, my wife has better things to do than spend a day with me at Korat immigration which is a 250 km round trip from our house. Hey, I think it's a waste of MY time and I don't have anything in particular better to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMo Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What if you do not have a wife ? ! ? ! Close to 10 years ago I took my partner with me when extending based on Retirement. The Immigration Officer told her to sign a form which I later found out she did as "translator". Immigration is just trying to cover its' back-side. Should any dispute arise over what was said or told at the time and by whom, to whom it will all be the fault of the translator, "employed" by the farang.. Since that visit I have never taken her again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle Maybe the big deal is because he's applying for a retirement extension! You don't need to have a wife for a retirement extension, so why should he need to take her with him. I had the same problem a couple of months ago in Korat when I went for my retirement extension. My wife works, so she would have to take time off work to come with me, so I didn't take her. They wanted to see her ID card and copy of her house book, even though I don't even need a wife for a retirement extension and I've never been asked for these before. They also wanted her to sign the same document that Ken posted. When I insisted that she couldn't come to Immigration (50 Kms each way from my house), they eventually accepted that, but then they made me wait because the boss was not there to sign the extension, but the boss never came back! I had to go back twice before I finally got it signed. I've had 7 previous retirement extensions from Korat immigration with no problems before, but now they're making it very difficult. It took 3 days and 300 Kms to get my extension which previously took about 20 minutes. I'm "with you Bill". My wife also works. Indeed, I knew about the "proof of address", meaning signed copies of wife's ID card and housebook, so I supplied those. In the past I have never had any issues with Korat Immigration, but for whatever reason they are getting more and more unfriendly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOZMO Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle For the past 5 years Korat immigration has requested new forms, paperwork , etc. just to extend my type o visa. Every year is something else!!!! Last year they said my "Original" thai marriage license was not enough and needed a bunch of printouts from both my wife and myselves stay in thailand. The license was from 1973!!! Yes it is hard to to bring your wife of 42 years when she has Parkinsons, 2 strokes and is bed-ridden!!! Yes, i always have her doctors statement stating so everytime!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick turpin Posted March 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2015 Had it up to my neck with Korat immigration, five years of teeth grinding, teeth clenching applications with ever more hoops(of their own making it would seem) to jump through. One always assumes it is much the same experience at other offices. But no it is not. Recently changed address and this week went for my first retirement extension at Lop Buri immigration. Smart offices, fully-staffed desks and a friendly service. Pressed for a retirement extension ticket on entry and was immediately directed to a desk, with extension and re-entry completed in 30 minutes. What a joy....immigration nirvana does exist. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Maybe the "innovations" of certain immigration offices would be a test for the fabolous new "foreigner help line" 1111 Its a brazenness/bullying to invent some Thai language forms and create the need for an interpreter. Bring your wife. If you have one Just happy that I have a lucky draw with my immigration in Khon Kaen. Edited March 13, 2015 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Maybe the "innovations" of certain immigration offices would be a test for the fabolous new "foreigner help line" 1111 Its a brazenness to invent some Thai language forms and create the need for an interpreter. Bring your wife. If you have one Just happy that I have a lucky draw with my immigration in Khon Kaen. I certainly agree that a complaint about Korat's clearly blatant and bloody-minded refusal to produce an English version of the form referred to in the OP might provide a suitable test of the effectiveness of this helpline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mencken Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle Because genius, some of us don't live in the middle of nowhere. Our wives have decent jobs. It is inconvenient for them, for their workplace and maybe a loss of incomE. Besides, from what we had been thru who would want to subject anyone they know let alone love to the nonsense and sourness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mencken Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle For the past 5 years Korat immigration has requested new forms, paperwork , etc. just to extend my type o visa. Every year is something else!!!! Last year they said my "Original" thai marriage license was not enough and needed a bunch of printouts from both my wife and myselves stay in thailand. The license was from 1973!!! Yes it is hard to to bring your wife of 42 years when she has Parkinsons, 2 strokes and is bed-ridden!!! Yes, i always have her doctors statement stating so everytime!!! This is just tragic. I'm sure she is very ill but you should make up a bunch of drama like blanket her all up, hire two caretakers, put her on a walker or better a stretcher. Make em think. Make em feel their actions. Good luck to you both. Edited March 13, 2015 by Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What if you do not have a wife ? ! ? ! I guess you'd have to find someone else to act as intepreter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 What load of shit from thai Immigration in thailand // Some of those thais at Immigration people are just full of it . I think many problems come from farangs, not from the Immigration Officers. There are many times problem due to comprehension/translation only. Here I think like mahjongguy above: he just asked you "someone that could understand/translate". BTW how could he know you have a Thai wife ? You don't mention that on Retirement form. Obviously you don't read all the posts. I said early on that the officer asked me if I was married with Thai and I answered yes. I thought he was just making some "chit chat" when he asked me. I then even asked him if he was married and he said no but he had some girlfriends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Maybe the "innovations" of certain immigration offices would be a test for the fabolous new "foreigner help line" 1111 Its a brazenness to invent some Thai language forms and create the need for an interpreter. Bring your wife. If you have one Just happy that I have a lucky draw with my immigration in Khon Kaen. I certainly agree that a complaint about Korat's clearly blatant and bloody-minded refusal to produce an English version of the form referred to in the OP might provide a suitable test of the effectiveness of this helpline. Do it the naive way: "could you translate that form for me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Ingalls Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The document looks like a local office made one. Not standardized for all Immigration offices. Does not have the Governmental bird seal on the top making it an official document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigyin Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The difference from 1 Immigration Office to another is astounding. I live in Phitsanulok and the first time I went my wife came with me. They didn't want proof of residence or anything very much and when I tried to give him it he said that my wife was my guarantee. So I take her every time now and we breeze in and out very quickly. Mind you Phitsanulok is small with only 2 counters and they both do everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashead Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Got my retirement extension in Korat earlier this week it was a nightmare. I wen t(alone) on Monday and the lady checking the documents and handing out numbers lost the plot and was just telling people to sit down with no idea when they would be served since the number system had been turned off. I cut my loses and left since I feared an all dayer with no guarantee of being served. I went back at 8am on Tuesday and managed to see a more friendly lady who after checking my documents told me a needed my wifes ID card and House book and NOT proof of Address (Drivers Licence) as previously. Luckily I had a signed id copy with me and house book copies which were unsigned _ managed to beg enough for her to accept the house book copies signed by me, So I get number 001 - a result. I then get called up and the lady serving me was next to useless - staring at various pages of my app for 5 minutes on end for no apparent reason. Finally she asks me if I come alone and hands me the same form the OP has shown. I tell her Iam alone and don't read Thai. She simply collected all my documents up places the number 001 on top and pushes them towards me and mumbles something about me coming alone. Luckily the original (helpful) lady was nearby so I called he over and explained I didn't read Thai. She then proceeded to tell me what to write where and finally I signed it. Finally I was told to sit down at the back and wait to get my passport back. I now know that I was waiting for the documents to be verified by the boss lady in one of the back offices. Problem wa she wasn't there. She wandered in one hour later by which time there was a pile of about 20 various immigration forms to be check. Mine was on the bottom!! Can't wait til next year.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NCFC Posted March 13, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 13, 2015 One of the most annoying things about living in Thailand is officials just making up requirements outside the published ones just to be blodsy minded. I had the same thing for many years over marriage extensions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The document looks like a local office made one. Not standardized for all Immigration offices. Does not have the Governmental bird seal on the top making it an official document. There is no garuda. All immigration offices have these forms but not all immigration offices require them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laislica Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The document looks like a local office made one. Not standardized for all Immigration offices. Does not have the Governmental bird seal on the top making it an official document. There is no garuda. All immigration offices have these forms but not all immigration offices require them 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 This is Karma - payback for the times we wandered the corridors at work, carrying an empty file of meanless papers - whilst trying to look busy and creeping in late, after a very late lunch Hell, some of us even postponed bathroom breaks until overtime had started LOL 5 5 5 5 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman77 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Korat immigration always wants more paperwork a friend told me, this year immigration first time not accept eu passport picture size must have Thai size come back again maybe the import some burocrats from Europe.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee4Life Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What's the big deal about bringing your wife with you? Retirement Visa's are for 1 year so surely bringing your wife with you one time can't be such a hassle I agree. Mind you mostly I am not allowed out on my own. Regards That's funny...mine never wants to go with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Korat immigration always wants more paperwork a friend told me, this year immigration first time not accept eu passport picture size must have Thai size come back again maybe the import some burocrats from Europe.. That is nothing unusual. Most offices want a photo equal to or little larger than the outline for the photo. A 3.5 X 4.5 photo certainly is not big enough. Just go to a photo shop and order some 4cm X 6cm size photos, I print mine out myself on photo paper. I witnessed that up here at immigration where a person was told to get bigger photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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