Thai tour agents concerned about report of Japan's ban of Thai chartered flights

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Thai tour agents concerned about report of Japan's ban of Thai chartered flights

BANGKOK: -- Thai Tour Agents Association has urged the Civil Aviation Department to seek an explanation from its Japanese counterpart whether chartered flights from Thailand has been barred from landings in Japan.

Mr Suparoek Surangkoon, president of TTAA and Noomsao tour agency, said he was concerned about the yet to be verified report about the banned chartered flights from Thailand because between 4,000-5,000 Thais have already booked chartered flights to Japan during the Songkran festival.

He said he only heard that the Civil Aviation Department and some airlines operating chartered flights have been negotiating with Japan about the matter which he hoped would be settled amicably otherwise a plan B has to be worked out for the Thai tourists.

It was reported that Japan’s action against chartered flights from Thailand followed an assessment report from the International Civil Aviation Organisation which rated Thailand’s supervision of safety standards of air travels as below below standard.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thai-tour-agents-concerned-about-report-of-japans-ban-of-thai-chartered-flights


-- Thai PBS 2015-03-26

[Bluespunk]

"It was reported that Japan’s action against chartered flights from Thailand followed an assessment report from the International Civil Aviation Organisation which rated Thailand’s supervision of safety standards of air travels as below below standard.'

Missed that report in the local press.

[Ricardo]

Wonder which airlines are involved ?

The traveling-public, using these same aircraft daily, ought to be told !

[winstonc]

i love the BELOW BELOW STANDARD...well done japan bit like the bangkok drains were talking about today...not a clue these people..

[bangkokheat]

i wonder if other countries will adopt monkey see monkey do, is this a wake up call for thailand, pffft, doubt it

[geriatrickid]

The ICAO report isn't due to be released until May.

Thailand was supposed to have provided its response to the deficiencies a week ago. Either Thailand didn't respond or the response was inadequate.

[tso310]

Not the first time this has happened. Orient Thai were banned from the US and Europe and lets not forget Phuket Air and its leaky fuel tanks which lead to it being banned from Europe.

[Lupatria]

This was already foreseeable in January as it leaked that the Civil Aviation Organisation report, officially expected to be released in May, would demand massive changes regarding international safety standards in the airline industry as well as the air traffic control, or face consequences. A negative report by the CAO normally results in start and landing restraint in other countries.

I wonder why the TTAA just ask for an explanation instead of insisting the CAD gets their act together. And in the wake of very recent incidents, what is there to negotiate, when it comes to safety of passengers and crews?

[rheinwiese]

http://www.aviationnews-online.com/editorial-comment/will-icao-hit-thailand-hard-and-are-the-big-ulcc-investors-moving-to-grab-jetlines/

[JOC]

i wonder if other countries will adopt monkey see monkey do, is this a wake up call for thailand, pffft, doubt it

Wake up call?? In your dreams mate!!

Quote from the OP:

>>which he hoped would be settled amicably otherwise a plan B has to be worked out for the Thai tourists.<<

In other words we are going to send them somewhere, where the authorities don't care about minor issues, such as passenger safety!!

[JOC]

Name and shame the carriers!!

So we can avoid the flying coffins!!

[kalbo123]

Great news, did I not read yesterday that too many Thais are spending too much money abroad, and Thai tour operators worried about that?

[Lupatria]

Name and shame the carriers!!

So we can avoid the flying coffins!!

From what I read before (January) this would fit your question:

Nok Air plane's windshield cracks before taking off

[tinhead]

Sadly the naming would probably have to happen outside Thailand and then I wonder what would happen in the wake of cries for a defamation suit? I'm sure the MICT would then have to get involved and block the offending sites from the Internet. Head in sand... as usual.

Name and shame the carriers!!

So we can avoid the flying coffins!!

[trogers]

How many local carriers have flight slots to Japan? One brush paints all.

[Strangebrew]

What the customary bribe don't work outside Thailand? Oh now airlines will complain can't compete in other countries cause they won't let us cover logo in case of an accident. As is SOP in LOS

[Kaoboi Bebobp]

If the ICAO downgrades the airline and airport control systems, then that means ICAO nations will likely ban ALL Thai airlines from much of western airspace. Hence Japan's ban. It's serious.

Don't suppose there was a reason THAI was shedding aircraft with undue haste? Just asking.

[thhMan]

Instead of trying to negotiate/make up stuff/BS.. (people are catching on to thailands bs speak)...

Fix the problems and increase safety standards... Duhhh !

[JohnnyJazz]

For more information about the consequences of the ICAO report :

What are the consequences of a downgrade?

Thai carriers and AOL/AOC holders licensed by the DCA and operating under its supervision would technically not be affected by any ICAO downgrade. There are, however, several potential consequences which could have a significant impact on the operations of Thai carriers and Thai AOL/AOC holders.

http://www.wfw.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/WFW-Aviation-ThailandPotentialICAODowngrade.pdf

[JoeLing]

I wonder how Thailand will try to white wash, negotiate and clarify this issue.

As it so nicely said on the end of that article:
"If Thai authorities are unable to take swift and decisive action ......
then expect all Thai carriers to enter a period of isolation and contraction in 2015."

I would go even further and say:
"If Thai authorities are unable to take swift and decisive action in tackling
human trade, graft, corruption and human rights issues, then don't be surprised
if Thailand enters a period of isolation and contraction over the next few years"

[Cake Monster]

With the Airlines like " NokScoot " , " Thai Air Asia X " , being severley curtailed on their flights into Japan, and also Korea due to " concerns over safety ", this comes as no real surprise to me.

The main carriers are also restricted in useing only the designated craft under the flight aggreements and no alternatives are allowed.

My wife tells me on an almost daily basis that this Airplane has left a runway, that Airplane leaves people because the pilots window has blown out.

It was only a matter of time for the bans to start coming.

[BSJ]

The aircraft are just to d@mned complicated for somchai. It's time to return to aircraft they CAN work on!

[ChrisY1]

It appears that a couple of international issues are set to further embarrass Thailand right now.

The ICAO report is a very serious affair that could see Thailand' international airline industry curtailed very quickly.....the industry here must act now.....!

I wonder, after so many years of cheating, bribes, short cutting and the like, if there are any authorities here that actually have the knowledge to get over this pending disaster......

This is the exact reason that so many countries employ the best people, whether internationally or locally trained, for their civil aviation and air safety industries.....compromising isn't thought of.

[LuckyLew]

They submitted a plan to improve maintenance and safety but it was rejected

Maybe this will get them to be more serious about it

If not it could be the tip of the iceberg

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

No need to name the "flying coffins" Take your pick.

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

I'm thinking of boycotting all airlines in the wake of German Wings flight 9525. Have to contend with ill-minded passengers and like minded pilots.

[SoilSpoil]

Does this in any way affect my flight to Narita in May with Thai Airways? I am just about to book my hotel snd trips in Tokyo. Maybe better wait?

[Toknarok]

http://www.aviationnews-online.com/editorial-comment/will-icao-hit-thailand-hard-and-are-the-big-ulcc-investors-moving-to-grab-jetlines/

I will just copy and paste one paragraph from this article:

If this were to happen then it is likely that EASA and the FAA would have to react and that would affect licences for 10 Thai-registered airlines operating international flights, 10 domestic and chartered airlines, and one cargo carrier.

As can be seen this is likely to affect TWENTY ONE Thai registered airlines. I would think that that's just about ALL of them.

[mikiea]

hmmmmm.... maybe this is a good problem for the new self appointed PM to sort out. yea , maybe he could . :-)

[Somtamnication]

The ICAO report isn't due to be released until May.

Thailand was supposed to have provided its response to the deficiencies a week ago. Either Thailand didn't respond or the response was inadequate.

How negative!

Of course they responded:

K. Nippon San:

Our pilots jaidee

Our mechanics jaidee

Our aircraft dee maak

Everything jaidee. We happy happy!