Give graft court death penalty powers: Veera

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Preposterous proposal by a Thai genius.

Why is it preposterous? What would you suggest?

By the way, don't let your overall negativity get in the way of logic, morals, ethics and justice for the good working people / all people of Thailand.

[Nobb]

Well done at least a step in the right direction.

[DM07]

What could possibly go wrong?

[issanaus]

Responses need to be sever but well thought out - not emotional or populist.

The Junta is all emotion and populism, though - that's the problem.

In your opinion - and that is not a problem to the Junta

Most of the economic decisions have been rational economic decisions. Which upset his political opponents both those who prefer the previous government as well as the "economic rationalist (who are anything but economically rational). On matters outside that of security the PM has shown himself to be approachable by Thai people, more so than the previous government.

The details of the proposed political structures are the business of the Thai people and some thing that I stay away from. If pressed by Thai friends I will express the view that the proposal appear to be to complex in a desire to moderate the lack of accountability and governance displayed by all of the previous Thai government. Requireing futher constitution changes to be made by referendum and setting the principles in with organic legislation should be interpretated with might make a bit more sense but I have no real fixed views on the subject.

[NanLaew]

Responses need to be sever but well thought out - not emotional or populist.

The Junta is all emotion and populism, though - that's the problem.

Yeah... and just look where all that emotion and populism got the Shin clan.

[lostoday]

Excellent way to get rid of all political opponents, accuse them of corruption and have them executed. Makes the defamation cases business partners use to take over companies seem quite mild.

Isn't that what they did in Singapore but only put them in jail and charged them with libel - no executions.

[trainman34014]

They are learning from their new friends the Chinese, where dozens are executed weekly for putting fingers in 'tills, and Russia, where people either get murdered with toxic substances, shot to death outside the Kremlin, or simply vanish.

Sadly; if these 'new idea's' were to take hold in this country there would be very few left standing on either side of the Political Chasm.....or in the Military.

[halloween]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

[jayboy]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Read the post carefully.She is not guilty of personal corruption.Her wealth is properly accounted for unlike that of the uniformed thugs you champion.

Nobody is suggesting the previous government was ideal.The Thai people had nevertheless endorsed it in a general election.It was for the opposition to campaign and bring it down.The first stage of the protests in Bangkok was admirable but the Democrat leadership failed its supporters.Looking ahead it would be better to promote the restoration of democracy rather than endlessly obsess about Thaksin.

[a99az]

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Death row will need extra room if they approved something like this. 5 million baht is nothing, not worth dying for. If you want to kill them for corruption raise the ladder.

" 5 million baht is nothing, not worth dying for ". Unless your Thai !

[Baerboxer]

Death row will need extra room if they approved something like this. 5 million baht is nothing, not worth dying for. If you want to kill them for corruption raise the ladder.

5 million baht is nothing? Maybe not to a rich farang like you Bob, But I'm sure those poor debt ridden farmers, the ones Yingluck vowed to pay months late and then didn't, might think differently.

[Baerboxer]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Read the post carefully.She is not guilty of personal corruption.Her wealth is properly accounted for unlike that of the uniformed thugs you champion.

Nobody is suggesting the previous government was ideal.The Thai people had nevertheless endorsed it in a general election.It was for the opposition to campaign and bring it down.The first stage of the protests in Bangkok was admirable but the Democrat leadership failed its supporters.Looking ahead it would be better to promote the restoration of democracy rather than endlessly obsess about Thaksin.

I have no idea about her real wealth, what, if anything is hidden away, offshore, in nominee names etc. And neither does anyone else posting here. She was involved in her brother's asset concealment case where arguably she perjured herself; and there were rumblings about some valuable items not being declared. Is she alone in that, the worst example or the greediest - probably not.

No arguments on promoting the restoration of democracy with hopefully a more robust legal system and less corruption.

Halloween's question was about the corruption in allowing her non elected fugitive brother to control the government, and support the idea of an amnesty for him herself and her government. Not about how accurately her wealth declaration is.

Do you believe she was complicit in the corrupt way her brother effectively ran the government of which professed to be head, even to the extent that he selected and shuffled cabinet ministers? Do you believe there were any issues in which she was complicit with the proposed amnesty which would have completely whitewashed her brother and also cover the period she and her government were in office?

[robblok]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

Humor is lost on red cheerleaders.. i put a big smile behind it and they still don't get it. This is a stupid idea death penalty for corruption (i am against dead penalty in general and certainly here)

[phoenixdoglover]

Given the current state of "justice" in Thailand, there is no way there should be the death penalty for any crime short of mass murder.

The issue in Thailand is not the low severity of punishment; the issue is the very low probability of punishment.

[IamNoone88]

Until some corrupt officials are strung up, as they do in China, corruption will not be taken seriously. Given the high profile executions in China everyone is running scared. Its the only language to get through.

[kaorop]

No statute of limitations and crippling asset seizure penalties - abso-bleeding-lutely. As kaorop says, a self-obsessed, admiration loving pollie fears nothing more than being poor. Too right. And losing his "mana" and the love and adoration of people who rush to kiss his derriere because his wallet is loaded. I fear Cambodian prison has scrambled Veera's brain.

Yes, if caught,

they would be far happier to spend 5 yrs inside as long as they kept their massive i'll gotten gains

than do no time but be 100% stripped.

as they'd well know it would be as comfy as a 5 yr term could get for someone with substantial resources!

and then back to palaces and bentlys.

[halloween]

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Read the post carefully.She is not guilty of personal corruption.Her wealth is properly accounted for unlike that of the uniformed thugs you champion.

Nobody is suggesting the previous government was ideal.The Thai people had nevertheless endorsed it in a general election.It was for the opposition to campaign and bring it down.The first stage of the protests in Bangkok was admirable but the Democrat leadership failed its supporters.Looking ahead it would be better to promote the restoration of democracy rather than endlessly obsess about Thaksin.

So your narrow definition of "personal corruption" is declared income in the the corrupt person's bank account? She was the leader and PM of PTP and PERSONALLY responsible for the corrupt practices she endorsed and (attempted to) put into practice.

[MobileContent]

OMG...the death penalty for corruption? There will not be anyone left in Thailand to scam the tourist after a few years...

+1 but I guess this will be for Thai's only. The farangs scams are of course accepted.

[ExPratt]

So they want to go from doing nothing to Death Penalty. I think somewhere in between the two may be more practical

[halloween]

I doubt even the death penalty could stamp out corruption. but it's very effective in stopping recidivism.

[chooka]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Prayuth did grant himself and his mates amnesty.

[Snig27]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Meanwhile back in the real world, the conviction of Thaksin is pretty much universally seen beyond these shores by informed legal opinion as a politically motivated manipulation of the Thai justice system by a corrupt court that has long played the judicial system without reference to the equitable rule of law - to benefit the very few. And the same opinion is fairly widely held in country too.

That you seem to have missed this and have made the firm determination otherwise perhaps says more about your pre-determined stance than any real corruption.

[EyesWideOpen]

I assume Chalem is already packing his bags for his next

overseas flight. Wonder if he will go to Denmark again this

time..... I agree with the concept at one level, but the justice

system is so deeply flawed it is a bit scary...

Edited April 25, 2015 by EyesWideOpen

[EyesWideOpen]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Meanwhile back in the real world, the conviction of Thaksin is pretty much universally seen beyond these shores by informed legal opinion as a politically motivated manipulation of the Thai justice system by a corrupt court that has long played the judicial system without reference to the equitable rule of law - to benefit the very few. And the same opinion is fairly widely held in country too.

That you seem to have missed this and have made the firm determination otherwise perhaps says more about your pre-determined stance than any real corruption.

The very same Thaksin that freely used the " justice " system here to punish his

enemies while he was in power. So in fact there is a bit of delicious irony there

if you are able to see it.

[halloween]

That is one way to get rid of YL and Thaksin.. creative to say the least

It also would be one way to get rid of a large number of generals as well including many associated with current junta and its puppet assembly.

Incidentally there is not a jot of evidence to suggest YL was guilty of personal corruption.Irresponsibility and incompetence arguably but not personal corruption.

In your opinion. How is allowing a fugitive criminal billionaire access to cabinet deliberations and decisions NOT corrupt? How is ignoring the massive conflict of interest of proposing an amnesty for yourself and your family NOT corrupt?

Meanwhile back in the real world, the conviction of Thaksin is pretty much universally seen beyond these shores by informed legal opinion as a politically motivated manipulation of the Thai justice system by a corrupt court that has long played the judicial system without reference to the equitable rule of law - to benefit the very few. And the same opinion is fairly widely held in country too.

That you seem to have missed this and have made the firm determination otherwise perhaps says more about your pre-determined stance than any real corruption.

Let us assume for a minute that you are correct. How does that make allowing a billionaire businessman access to cabinet meetings less corrupt? How does that make proposing an amnesty for yourself and your government less corrupt, especially as some of those members are being protected from serious charges by being allowed in that government?

My predetermined stance is that insider trading and conflicts of interest are to be avoided. Yours seems to be that Thaksin's inherent saintliness overrides normal political and legal behaviour. You also ignore that your little tin god has quite a few other charges waiting for his presence, most of which can't be brushed aside by external opinion.

[BSJ]

Twenty years of hard labour I could agree with but the death penally.......a bit lot over the top I think!