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NLA to deliberate impeachment of 248 former MPs on June 25-26

BANGKOK, 22 June 2015 (NNT) - Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament.

NLA President Pornpetch Pornpetch Wichitcholchai has issued an invitation to all members of the legislature to a sitting on June 25 and 26 to discuss an urgent agenda.

One area of discussion is the deliberation of the draft Kalasin University Act which has been vetted by the special committee tasked with the process.

On June 26, the NLA is scheduled to hold an open debate on the regulations and a request for a permit to open a new sugar plant or to relocate the existing one.

The legislature will also review the operations of the Bank for Agriculture and Agricultural Cooperatives.

Last on its agenda is the debilitation of an impeachment motion against 248 former MPs for their involvement in the illegal amendment of the previous Constitution.

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

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Do they mean the constitution that this new gang has tossed out? What is the penalty for throwing out a constitution? Hopefully larger than the one for amending a constitution?

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Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming...? No...?

It would be hard not to see this coming as it has been reported many times since their attempt to manipulate the system in their favour.

Last reported here 2 nd June

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/829879-nla-to-open-impeachment-case-against-248-ex-mps-on-june-26/?p=9476613&hl=%2Bimpeachment

Hope they are all banned for 5 years.

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Help me out here. Is the purpose of the impeachment of people that are no longer in office to keep them from being elected / assigned again down the road or is this to kick start criminal proceedings against them?

Or, as is always possible, is it a TIT kind of answer that we are unlikely to understand?

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Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming...? No...?

It would be hard not to see this coming as it has been reported many times since their attempt to manipulate the system in their favour.

Last reported here 2 nd June

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/829879-nla-to-open-impeachment-case-against-248-ex-mps-on-june-26/?p=9476613&hl=%2Bimpeachment

Hope they are all banned for 5 years.

Can you please explain what is happening to the constitution under the Junta ?

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It would stop them from running for office in the next election and for five years. It's a non-transparent way to stifle the competition. After all, with any luck there just might be another election...

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'Last on its agenda is the debilitation of an impeachment motion against 248 former MPs for their involvement in the illegal amendment of the previous Constitution.'

Just setting down some markers...Like canines establishing territorial boundaries against future encroachments on their constitution, by pissing around the perimeters.

The message, "don't mess with our constitution later on"

The past is prologue.

During the so-called referendum to approve the previous constitution, they tried to calm those fearful of approvals, by indicating it could always be changed and/or amended later.........well, the above shows the veracity of that smoke..... With the implicit warning, threatening what is in store should the Pleb's try that again.

And what is this about the "illegal amendment of the previous constitution".......... Same old, same old....using faux legalities to hide behind and to mask their motives.

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Accountability sucks, but excuses rain supreme.

Thank goodness PEACE war TV is not running. There would be a call for blood, death and murder of innocents again.

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

I think stupid does not go far enough.

If these ex MP's are guilty of what they are accused of, and given the publicity of this we saw at the time it would seem pretty certain they are, it was way past stupid that they had to cheat in attempting to pass this legislation into law.

There was no need to cheat as they had the numbers to pass the bill had it been done legally, but no they had to try to take short cuts and ignore the rules in their confidence they could do whatever they wanted..........They were elected and they believed that gave them the right to ignore the law.

Well now they are finding out that they are accountable to the law, as are they and their fellow ex MP's and cabinet ministers in regards to the rice pledging scheme and other things.

It needs to be spelt out very clearly to any would be politician of the future that they can and will be held accountable by the law for any actions that subvert or break the law.

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These are the reforms to democracy we have been hearing about. For years the majority of Thai people have been making the wrong choices at election time. Now by eliminating the former government members from running in another election. The country will no longer have to worry about making those wrong choices again. Happiness restored.

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These are the reforms to democracy we have been hearing about. For years the majority of Thai people have been making the wrong choices at election time. Now by eliminating the former government members from running in another election. The country will no longer have to worry about making those wrong choices again. Happiness restored.

And the National Moral Assembly will take care of those bad people who by some quirk get elected. :unsure:

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Do they mean the constitution that this new gang has tossed out? What is the penalty for throwing out a constitution? Hopefully larger than the one for amending a constitution?

2007 Constitution, Part 13, “Right to Protect the Constitution,” Article 68 states:

“No person shall exercise the rights and liberties prescribed in the Constitution to overthrow the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of State under this Constitution or to acquire the power to rule the country by any means which is not in accordance with the modes provided in this Constitution. “

Organic Law, Article 113 of the Criminal Code states that anybody who commits treason by overthrowing the country's constitution faces the maximum penalty of death.

This is why the Junta abolished the constitution and granted itself amnesty past, present and future for any of its or its subordinates actions. But the Junta retained the Organic laws that it uses to control the citizens.

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

This is a warning shot over the bow for the next crop of parliamentarians. Keep your head down and your nose to our wheel.

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How good is that! All the old Thaksin Shinawartra mates are being treated equally like Yingluck. No one is being left out which is fair.

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Fearless Leader has created a new category of T.I.T., which is T.I.T on Steroids. Did you hear him last Friday on his telly-cast how nutritious crickets are? And how Thailand needs more earthworms in the soil.

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Maybe they can amend the law and make the bans permanent. Too bad what they did doesn't carry a long prison sentence. Karma in action!

Still, it's going to take a lot more than banning a few former politicians to disentangle Thaksin's hold on Thailand. There will be lots of those soon-to-be-banned politician's family members to run in their place and the RTP are still in his pocket as witnessed by Nat. Pol. Chief Somyot's failure to strip Thaksin of his rank. Thaksin is also backed by his own set of 'elite'.

.

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According to some members, the following scenario is entirely reasonable:

A lower house of Parliament passes legislation, which is quickly found to be unconstitutional. The legislation is declared null and void, and never becomes a law..

Later , all parliament members who voted for this legislation (which never became law), are impeached and banned from politics.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law. ermm.gif

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

I think stupid does not go far enough.

If these ex MP's are guilty of what they are accused of, and given the publicity of this we saw at the time it would seem pretty certain they are, it was way past stupid that they had to cheat in attempting to pass this legislation into law.

There was no need to cheat as they had the numbers to pass the bill had it been done legally, but no they had to try to take short cuts and ignore the rules in their confidence they could do whatever they wanted..........They were elected and they believed that gave them the right to ignore the law.

Well now they are finding out that they are accountable to the law, as are they and their fellow ex MP's and cabinet ministers in regards to the rice pledging scheme and other things.

It needs to be spelt out very clearly to any would be politician of the future that they can and will be held accountable by the law for any actions that subvert or break the law.

Robby, i don't believe the case about suspect voting is even being considered it is just the attempt to amend the Constitution which is subject to the impeachment vote.

Farcical really given every single Govt, including the one previous alter the Constitution, yet suddenly its deemed an impeachable offence.

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Hilariously, the junta is doing precisely what those MPs tried to do -- change the makeup of the Senate. The junta is amending the Constitution to appoint many more people: Senators, Ethics Committees, Politician-Review Committees...and lots, lots more.

So they are doing what they accuse the criminals of doing, but since it changes the balance of power in their favor, they seem to think no one notices the sheer hypocrisy of this myopic mindset.

Bull feces. Monkey crap. And, especially, dinosaur droppings.

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

I think stupid does not go far enough.

If these ex MP's are guilty of what they are accused of, and given the publicity of this we saw at the time it would seem pretty certain they are, it was way past stupid that they had to cheat in attempting to pass this legislation into law.

There was no need to cheat as they had the numbers to pass the bill had it been done legally, but no they had to try to take short cuts and ignore the rules in their confidence they could do whatever they wanted..........They were elected and they believed that gave them the right to ignore the law.

Well now they are finding out that they are accountable to the law, as are they and their fellow ex MP's and cabinet ministers in regards to the rice pledging scheme and other things.

It needs to be spelt out very clearly to any would be politician of the future that they can and will be held accountable by the law for any actions that subvert or break the law.

Robby, i don't believe the case about suspect voting is even being considered it is just the attempt to amend the Constitution which is subject to the impeachment vote.

Farcical really given every single Govt, including the one previous alter the Constitution, yet suddenly its deemed an impeachable offence.

I thought it was the way they wen't about things - not allowing debating time, sending the opposition home early and promising the vote would be next day - then voting as soon as they'd gone, and voting on behalf of absent colleagues, that got them into trouble; and quite rightly so. Not what they were doing, but how they went about it.

We shall have to wait and see.

Given their behavior record, how anybody can regard PTP has democratic is laughable. Cheats and liars - even when they've enough of a majority not to have to. Just can't follow the rules because they're so important.

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Hilariously, the junta is doing precisely what those MPs tried to do -- change the makeup of the Senate. The junta is amending the Constitution to appoint many more people: Senators, Ethics Committees, Politician-Review Committees...and lots, lots more.

So they are doing what they accuse the criminals of doing, but since it changes the balance of power in their favor, they seem to think no one notices the sheer hypocrisy of this myopic mindset.

Bull feces. Monkey crap. And, especially, dinosaur droppings.

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No.

One side tells you how it's going to be. Or else. The other side wants to con you into believing it's something it's not, and don't want to bother with any formalities such as debates, votes, and parliamentary procedures. The boss thinks, they do, regardless of how they do it.

Which would you prefer - a Junta, openly called a Junta or a government openly run by a non elected crook that defies the law and does as it pleases for it's own benefit?

Hobson's choice. Not likely to change without real reform that involves some real punishments for those who transgressed. Ain't ever going to happen. The corruption is too wide and deep and the gravy train to attractive. The farce about striping a crook of his police rank is just one example.

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Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming...? No...?

they shouldn't impeached they should be jailed

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Hilariously, the junta is doing precisely what those MPs tried to do -- change the makeup of the Senate. The junta is amending the Constitution to appoint many more people: Senators, Ethics Committees, Politician-Review Committees...and lots, lots more.

So they are doing what they accuse the criminals of doing, but since it changes the balance of power in their favor, they seem to think no one notices the sheer hypocrisy of this myopic mindset.

Bull feces. Monkey crap. And, especially, dinosaur droppings.

tongue.png

Well the MPs tried to change for personal gains and for amnesty for their own and their leaders crimes.

The military government does it to help the country, bring stability and move forward. We can discuss if they do the right thing or if it is complete wrong, but they do it with good intentions.

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"Members of the National Legislative Assembly are scheduled to meet before the end of the month to deliberate the impeachment of hundreds of former members of parliament."

How totally stupid - even Monty Python would have found it hard to think of anything equally ridiculous.

I think stupid does not go far enough.

If these ex MP's are guilty of what they are accused of, and given the publicity of this we saw at the time it would seem pretty certain they are, it was way past stupid that they had to cheat in attempting to pass this legislation into law.

There was no need to cheat as they had the numbers to pass the bill had it been done legally, but no they had to try to take short cuts and ignore the rules in their confidence they could do whatever they wanted..........They were elected and they believed that gave them the right to ignore the law.

Well now they are finding out that they are accountable to the law, as are they and their fellow ex MP's and cabinet ministers in regards to the rice pledging scheme and other things.

It needs to be spelt out very clearly to any would be politician of the future that they can and will be held accountable by the law for any actions that subvert or break the law.

Robby, i don't believe the case about suspect voting is even being considered it is just the attempt to amend the Constitution which is subject to the impeachment vote.

Farcical really given every single Govt, including the one previous alter the Constitution, yet suddenly its deemed an impeachable offence.

I thought it was the way they wen't about things - not allowing debating time, sending the opposition home early and promising the vote would be next day - then voting as soon as they'd gone, and voting on behalf of absent colleagues, that got them into trouble; and quite rightly so. Not what they were doing, but how they went about it.

We shall have to wait and see.

Given their behavior record, how anybody can regard PTP has democratic is laughable. Cheats and liars - even when they've enough of a majority not to have to. Just can't follow the rules because they're so important.

Well every report i have read, including the ones someone linked to above indicate that it is the actual attempt to alter the Constitution which they are deeming an impeachable offence.

Nothing to do with how it was done, or whether you think they are all liars, crooks etc, just that the attempt was illegal and because of it they would all be impeached.

Given the above, and how often the Constitution has been torn up or amended by pretty much every Government ever, do you think its a little bit strange how the PTP attempt to amend the Constitution now becomes an impeachment offence?

It might have said in the previous Constitution that specifically attempting to alter the make up of the Senate was an impeachable offence, but i have never seen this mentioned. After all the makeup of the Senate has been altered previously with no NACC intervention.

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According to some members, the following scenario is entirely reasonable:

A lower house of Parliament passes legislation, which is quickly found to be unconstitutional. The legislation is declared null and void, and never becomes a law..

Later , all parliament members who voted for this legislation (which never became law), are impeached and banned from politics.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law. ermm.gif

With your logic (I use the term loosely), if I fail or am forcibly stopped in my attempted crime (I broke into the bank but I didn't leave with any money), I didn't do anything wrong. Definitely comes right out of the Red Shirt play book. The same one that says because Thaksin's wife gave the publicly owned land back that she illegally bought with Thaksin's illegal permission, Thaksin didn't really break any law.

I wonder what motivates a person from Phoenix to so assiduously take up the defense of one of the most corrupt governments Thailand has ever had. (Yingluck's Thaksin's PTP government)

Assiduous: marked by careful unremitting attention or persistent application.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law.

BTW, they are being considered for impeachment not for trying to create a new law but for trying to illegally amend the constitution to 'stack the deck' in their favor.

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Hilariously, the junta is doing precisely what those MPs tried to do -- change the makeup of the Senate. The junta is amending the Constitution to appoint many more people: Senators, Ethics Committees, Politician-Review Committees...and lots, lots more.

So they are doing what they accuse the criminals of doing, but since it changes the balance of power in their favor, they seem to think no one notices the sheer hypocrisy of this myopic mindset.

Bull feces. Monkey crap. And, especially, dinosaur droppings.

tongue.png

Well the MPs tried to change for personal gains and for amnesty for their own and their leaders crimes.

The military government does it to help the country, bring stability and move forward. We can discuss if they do the right thing or if it is complete wrong, but they do it with good intentions.

Utter tripe! They do it to ensure these politicians don't stand IF an election takes place.

Reconciliation my bottom, they're ensuring that the cycle of revenge goes on ad infinitum.

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According to some members, the following scenario is entirely reasonable:

A lower house of Parliament passes legislation, which is quickly found to be unconstitutional. The legislation is declared null and void, and never becomes a law..

Later , all parliament members who voted for this legislation (which never became law), are impeached and banned from politics.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law. ermm.gif

With your logic (I use the term loosely), if I fail or am forcibly stopped in my attempted crime (I broke into the bank but I didn't leave with any money), I didn't do anything wrong. Definitely comes right out of the Red Shirt play book. The same one that says because Thaksin's wife gave the publicly owned land back that she illegally bought with Thaksin's illegal permission, Thaksin didn't really break any law.

I wonder what motivates a person from Phoenix to so assiduously take up the defense of one of the most corrupt governments Thailand has ever had. (Yingluck's Thaksin's PTP government)

Assiduous: marked by careful unremitting attention or persistent application.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law.

BTW, they are being considered for impeachment not for trying to create a new but for how they went about it.

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They are not being impeached of how they went about it according to the news report, just that they tried to do it.

Your analogy is ridiculous. Governments are authorised to propose to amend laws, which is either accepted or not accepted. Someone is not allowed to break into a bank regardless of whether they steal anything or not.

In the article linked from the Nation it even states the NACC had dropped any case on the voting procedures for this issue.

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According to some members, the following scenario is entirely reasonable:

A lower house of Parliament passes legislation, which is quickly found to be unconstitutional. The legislation is declared null and void, and never becomes a law..

Later , all parliament members who voted for this legislation (which never became law), are impeached and banned from politics.

The reason for impeaching the legislators? They tried to create a new law. ermm.gif

You very conveniently missed the most important point - the reason (obvious as the nose of your face) why they were trying to change the law.

Put simply so that pt could gain even more control, tighten their dictatorship activities and pass even more laws, without challenge, so that they could quickly make even more gains to a situation where it would be impossible for anybody to vote them out.

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