LPG , best small car on market to buy .

[dirtycash]

if buying a car in future i will go for a small LPG , are there any toyota yaris or anything similar that run on LPG or is there really no difference in the kpg in small cars such as honda and toyota,s .

i had a 4x4 mitsu a few years ago and i would never go back to a big car, small to get me around the city , easy parking plus i have no family now to fit in the back .

which websites are there so i can look for a decent small car.

thanks

[hellstens]

I have a Mitsubishi Mirage and install LPG on it. (and I love it)

It runs really good and cheaply on LPG, the best with this car is the turn aria

you can easy turn around on a normal street in one go, and more easy to park,

when a big car can't, and you drive easy 360-400km for about 300thb

I drive from Rayong to Uthai Thani 360km and I drive for three days more before I need to fill up

42L LPG = 485thb, and the Car have a 35L petrol tank, so you can go quite fare ;-)

[Katipo]

The majority of people I work with who run LPG have after market modifications. It is relatively inexpensive and I have yet to hear a bad story.

Honda do offers a stock CNG City. Never seen anything smaller than that direct from a dealership.

[DavisH]

Eco cars are cheap enough to run on e20 at the moment. The cost is not so bad. Yes it's a bit more expensive than lpg, but still needs a few years to recoup the costs. And lpg will void the dealer warranty on the engine. I wouldn't convert a new car under warranty and especially a small car that is relatively efficient anyway.

[willr]

Why would you run lpg on small car , false economy.plus lose power about 13%.look at mazda 2 skyactive diesel.i get over a 1000klm to a tank, and diesel is 26baht a litre.i have also had gas but never again.just do your homework..A little 1.2 litre engine not worth putting on gas.

[bazza40]

Why would you run lpg on small car , false economy.plus lose power about 13%.look at mazda 2 skyactive diesel.i get over a 1000klm to a tank, and diesel is 26baht a litre.i have also had gas but never again.just do your homework..A little 1.2 litre engine not worth putting on gas.

A vehicle on LPG or CNG delivers more power because the fuel burns more readily; however, fuel consumption is higher. I've seen these results on a a dynamometer plus exhaust analyser, so I'd gently suggest your opinion is wrong.

I have a Toyota Yaris on petrol/CNG. My cost per km on CNG is 0.6 baht, and 1.1 baht with petrol. If that's false economy, I'll take it.

Having said that, I'd always buy an LPG car next time, because of the ridiculous waiting times when refilling at CNG stations. And their scarcity compared to LPG stations.

If you do buy a car with the intention of installing LPG after-market, It's worthwhile checking if the engine is LPG compatible. The engine needs hardened valves and valve seats because they don't get the same residual lubrication as with petrol.

Nothing against diesels; however, IMHO the jury is still out on maintenance cost and longevity of SMALL diesel engines.

[PattayaPhom]

Where is there room for a tank on a small car like a Mirage>>>>>must go on the roof surely

[sometimewoodworker]

Why would you run lpg on small car , false economy.plus lose power about 13%.look at mazda 2 skyactive diesel.i get over a 1000klm to a tank, and diesel is 26baht a litre.i have also had gas but never again.just do your homework..A little 1.2 litre engine not worth putting on gas.

A vehicle on LPG or CNG delivers more power because the fuel burns more readily; however, fuel consumption is higher. I've seen these results on a a dynamometer plus exhaust analyser, so I'd gently suggest your opinion is wrong.

I have a Toyota Yaris on petrol/CNG. My cost per km on CNG is 0.6 baht, and 1.1 baht with petrol. If that's false economy, I'll take it.

Having said that, I'd always buy an LPG car next time, because of the ridiculous waiting times when refilling at CNG stations. And their scarcity compared to LPG stations.

If you do buy a car with the intention of installing LPG after-market, It's worthwhile checking if the engine is LPG compatible. The engine needs hardened valves and valve seats because they don't get the same residual lubrication as with petrol.

Nothing against diesels; however, IMHO the jury is still out on maintenance cost and longevity of SMALL diesel engines.

Sorry LPG & CNG deliver less power because LPG is about less 10% energy rich than petrol, so you lose about 10%. That loss is mitigated by better burning characteristics, which can recover 3 or 4 percent depending how smart the ECU is.

CNG is a lot less a 129btu vs 37btu.

[arthurwait]

As someone posted get a Mazda 2 Diesel, no room taken up by a tank, no extra weight caused by the tank. Plus if someone rear ends you in a small car with a tank in the back it ain't going to be pretty.

[DavisH]

As someone posted get a Mazda 2 Diesel, no room taken up by a tank, no extra weight caused by the tank. Plus if someone rear ends you in a small car with a tank in the back it ain't going to be pretty.

The only benefit is the punch from the diesel, as the car costs 150-300k more than other ecocars. That wouldn't make economic sense if the OP's main goal was to save money.

[dirtycash]

ok thanks, what is a better small car, toyota yaris or honda jazz ? i like the look of both and as i said ill never buy a 4x4 again . i want something nifty around town , easy to park, easy on fuel and insurance, easier to control in heavy traffic etc. ill probably use it once a month for trips to isaan and elsewhere.

i know absolutely nothing about cars and as someone pointed out , what is the point in putting lpg into a small car when a small car is economic anyway .

Edited July 2, 2015 by dirtycash

[DavisH]

ok thanks, what is a better small car, toyota yaris or honda jazz ? i like the look of both and as i said ill never buy a 4x4 again . i want something nifty around town , easy to park, easy on fuel and insurance, easier to control in heavy traffic etc. ill probably use it once a month for trips to isaan and elsewhere.

i know absolutely nothing about cars and as someone pointed out , what is the point in putting lpg into a small car when a small car is economic anyway .

We have a suzuki swift and quite like it. I just got 19.6 km/l on a run to Ratchaburi and back. I's generally 14-15 km/l around Nonthaburi where I live. The yaris 1.2 is the biggest seller. The jazz is a 1.5L and is somewhat more expensive, has more power, but will be heavier on fuel. If you need to haul quite a bit of stuff, the jazz is a good car for that. If I was spending jazz king of money, I'd also be looking at the mazda 2. Maybe a few test drives are in order:)

[ocean268]

the Mitsubishi Attrage is super comfortable, has a huge trunk, and gets 22km per liter. Visit the Mitsubishi Attrage app.... GOOD LUCK[emoji736]

[lj cm]

Where is there room for a tank on a small car like a Mirage>>>>>must go on the roof surely

You install it with a donut tank, that replaces the spare wheel.

You hardly ever need the spare tire in Thailand; tire shops are always close by.

In average you will get a flat tire once every 160,000 Km.

I have driven 350,000 Km. in Thailand with only one flat tire, so I might be due for the next one!

A LPG system for eco cars cost 24,000 Baht (with donut tank).

Edited July 3, 2015 by lj cm

[BBJ]

I believe the new Jazz Hybrid E85 will be out soon. Might be worth a look. I used LPG on my 2.0 Mazda 3 a couple of years ago. Worked great and saved a packet.

[DavisH]

Where is there room for a tank on a small car like a Mirage>>>>>must go on the roof surely

You install it with a donut tank, that replaces the spare wheel.

You hardly ever need the spare tire in Thailand; tire shops are always close by.

In average you will get a flat tire once every 160,000 Km.

I have driven 350,000 Km. in Thailand with only one flat tire, so I might be due for the next one!

A LPG system for eco cars cost 24,000 Baht (with donut tank).

Let's not even go there. I've had three flats on my swift tires. A wire went through the side wall after 5000 km, and just last weekend I got two flats on one side at the same time after hitting something on the dirty road shoulder. Had to call the wife to come and bring my other spare from the honda to get mobile again. In contrast, my honda has not had a flat in 230K kms. I'm not sure why, but maybe the ecocar tires are a little thinner and less resistant to punctures. Originally my swift had the electric pump supplied and no spare tire. I went and bought a spare. The pump/sealant is useless/unsafe if the sidewall is punctured.

[DavisH]

I think the best buy among the ecocars for cost/performance/economy now is the new mazda 1.3. It wont have the punch of the diesel but the 1.3 fuel economy matches or betters the diesel

http://community.headlightmag.com/index.php?topic=45193.0

[Paul944]

It also depends where you want to go. I wouldn't like a 1.2L engine in the mountains. On flat roads it would be fine.

[JAS21]

I think the best buy among the ecocars for cost/performance/economy now is the new mazda 1.3. It wont have the punch of the diesel but the 1.3 fuel economy matches or betters the diesel

http://community.headlightmag.com/index.php?topic=45193.0

We bought daughter a Fiesta Ecoboost last month on offer about 650,000thb a 1.0 ltr engine but apparently

Key facts 0–60mph 9.4 secs Top speed 122 mph Average mpg 65.7 Tank range 650 miles 60mph is nearly 100kpm and the Mazda takes 14.6 secs ... that Ford engine must be quite quick for its size. I await with interest what fuel consumption she gets driving around BK

[willr]

Mazda 2 takes 14.6 seconds 0-60mph. Ha ha were did pluck that figure from, as all the road test I read have been around 10 second mark.the fiesta is also turbocharged whilst the Mazda 1.3 is not.and the other op about eco tyres yes only have 1 ply nylon side walls.and tread depth is less as well. I think more susceptible to picking up shit on the road causing punctures. Not mal tyres I have not had a puncture in 5 years.buy a Mazda 2 and had 2 within 300klm. Eco be <deleted>. How's that economic.

[DavisH]

Mazda 2 takes 14.6 seconds 0-60mph. Ha ha were did pluck that figure from, as all the road test I read have been around 10 second mark.the fiesta is also turbocharged whilst the Mazda 1.3 is not.and the other op about eco tyres yes only have 1 ply nylon side walls.and tread depth is less as well. I think more susceptible to picking up shit on the road causing punctures. Not mal tyres I have not had a puncture in 5 years.buy a Mazda 2 and had 2 within 300klm. Eco be <deleted>. How's that economic.

Those figures are about right or conservative. My swift is in the 13 second range not 14plus as in the article. The only mazda 2 that gets close to 10 sec is the 1.5 manual and its still 11 plus seconds. The cars close to 10 seconds are 1.8 to 2 litre motors such as the new mazda 3 and altis 1.8 etc. They dont get much below 10 sec even on a good day

[willr]

Depends on what you read, auto car in UK claimed 10.1 for the diesel and several others as well.Austalia was 10.7 but overseas cars are also fully loaded with features we don't get in thailand.

[DavisH]

Depends on what you read, auto car in UK claimed 10.1 for the diesel and several others as well.Austalia was 10.7 but overseas cars are also fully loaded with features we don't get in thailand.

Yes, that's why I generally read the local press as they deal with the locally assembled cars tested under our conditions. Acceleration will be a bit better in cold UK conditions where the air is colder and denser, producing a bit more HP. And specs can vary from country to country too, affecting the weight and performance of the car.

[BBJ]

Has the Mazda 2 Diesel been mentioned yet?