Hispanic leaders want GOP field to condemn Trump's 'idiocy'

[Lite Beer]

Hispanic leaders want GOP field to condemn Trump's 'idiocy'
By STEVE PEOPLES

WASHINGTON (AP) — Hispanic leaders are bristling at the largely tepid response by Republican presidential candidates to Donald Trump's characterization of Mexican immigrants as rapists and drug dealers.

Several 2016 contenders have brushed off Trump's comments while others have ignored them. Marco Rubio, a Florida senator who is Hispanic, denounced them as "not just offensive and inaccurate, but also divisive," after declining for two weeks to address the matter directly. Another Hispanic in the race, Ted Cruz, said Trump is "terrific," ''brash" and "speaks the truth."

It's an uncomfortable moment for Republicans, who want more votes from the surging Latino population.

And it could be a costly moment if more candidates don't go beyond their Donald-will-be-Donald response and condemn him directly, said Alfonso Aguilar, a Republican who leads the American Principles Project's Latino Partnership.

"The time has come for the candidates to distance themselves from Trump and call his comments what they are: ludicrous, baseless and insulting," Aguilar said. "Sadly, it hurts the party with Hispanic voters. It's a level of idiocy I haven't seen in a long time."

So far, Trump has paid less of a political price than a commercial one.

The leading Hispanic television network, Univision, has backed out of televising the Miss USA pageant, a joint venture between Trump and NBC, which also cut ties with Trump. On Wednesday, the Macy's department store chain, which carried a Donald Trump menswear line, said it was ending its relationship with him. Other retailers are facing pressure to follow suit.

On Friday, the NASCAR motorsports series said it will not hold its season-ending awards ceremony at the Trump National Doral Miami. The CEO of a top NASCAR sponsor, Camping World's Marcus Lemonis, had said he would not participate in the awards ceremony if it were held at a property owned by Trump, whom he criticized for "recent and ongoing blatantly bigoted and racist comments ... in regards to immigrants."

In his speech last month marking his entry into the Republican race, Trump said Mexican immigrants are "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

The businessman has refused to back down, although he insists his remarks were misconstrued.

"My statements have been contorted to seem racist and discriminatory," he wrote in a message to supporters on Thursday. "What I want is for legal immigrants to not be unfairly punished because others are coming into America illegally, flooding the labor market and not paying taxes." His original comments, though, did not make a distinction between Mexicans who came to U.S. legally and those here illegally.

His rhetoric may resonate with some of the Republican Party's most passionate voters, who have long viewed illegal immigration as one of the nation's most pressing problems. But the 2016 contest brings opportunity for the party to make inroads with Hispanics, with several Latino candidates and a former Florida governor, Jeb Bush, who has deep Latino ties and speaks Spanish and hasn't been shy about using it in the campaign.

Even so, Bush has said little more about Trump's comments than that they were "wrong."

"Maybe we'll have a chance to have an honest discussion about it onstage," Bush said last weekend while campaigning in Nevada, referring to Republican presidential debates.

Rev. Gabriel Salguero, president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition, is paying keen attention to how the candidates respond to Trump's "xenophobic rhetoric."

"We're listening very, very closely, not just what candidates say but what they don't say — the sins of commission and the sins of omission," he said.

Among 2016 contenders:

—New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie called Trump's comments "wholly inappropriate." But in a subsequent radio interview, he said Trump is "a really wonderful guy (who's) always been a good friend."

—Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry said: "I don't think Donald Trump's remarks reflect the Republican Party."

—Cruz said he likes Trump and thinks NBC "is engaging in political correctness" in breaking ties with him.

—Rubio said the next president "needs to be someone who brings Americans together — not someone who continues to divide."

—Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former technology executive Carly Fiorina and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson have been silent.

Not since the 2004 re-election campaign of President George W. Bush has a Republican presidential candidate earned as much as 40 percent of the Hispanic vote. Mitt Romney got a dismal 27 percent in the 2012 contest against President Barack Obama.

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Associated Press writers Ken Thomas in Washington, Hillel Italie in New York and Jill Colvin in Ashland, New Hampshire, contributed to this report.

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-07-03

[ezzra]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

[brewsterbudgen]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Perhaps he's deliberately trying to saborage the other GOP candidates? After all he's an old friend of Hillary's and used to be a Democrat. He's doing a good job and hopefully he'll stay in the race for a while and make it intetesting and fun.

[boomerangutang]

Keep running Trump. The mud you splatter is staining your buddies' shirts. ...and late-night talk show hosts love it.

[spidermike007]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

Edited July 4, 2015 by spidermike007

[alfalfa19]

The Donald suffers from foot in mouth disease. I say keep it up, oh great Donald, and cause more wreckage within your party.

[CMNightRider]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

You may have missed the part about illegal Mexican immigrants. If a person wants to come to America through legal immigration then good on them. It is "ridiculous" to support or encourage illegal immigration. The majority of people crossing America's borders illegally tend not to be the creme of the crop.

[samran]

Who did the last amnesty? Some guy called Ronald something or other...

Did the Sky fall in? Ah, sorry, they were supposed to be the golden years for America weren't they?

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts removed along with replies.

[quandow]

[Publicus]

The Gone Old Party has now begun the process of losing the election. If the R's did a replay of their disastrous 2012 campaign they would simply lose, but in this 2016 election campaign the Republican party has found new and astounding ways to outdo itself and by far.

GOP fears Trump hurting brand

Even before he entered the race, veteran GOP voices, such as Bonjean, were worried he could hurt the party.

“He's a carnival sideshow that just sucks the air out of the room and steals the spotlight just for the simple fact that he wants to have the headlines,” Bonjean said.

“He has an ego the size of a Mack truck,” Bonjean continued. “People love watching Donald Trump because of the outlandish statements he makes. They love watching a car accident.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246720-gop-fears-trump-hurting-brand

The clown car yes.

[Ulic]

The Donald, and Ted Cruz, great entertainment value. Stay strong and in the race.

I need my weekly chuckle.

[tonypace02]

Nothing wrong with illegal Mexicans. They are taking jobs nobody wants. And they do pay taxes, every time they buy something or when they fill their tanks with gas. The income tax that they don't pay is insignificant considering the wages they receive. Those taxes are supposed to be deducted by the employers, anyway. We need to send home the illegal Canadians, who are taking the high paying Corporate jobs, and the Indians who have invaded the technology industry both of whom are shipping dollars out of the country in large amounts. The Latinos? By the time the are done paying for basics, there are few enough dollars left for exporting.

[samran]

Nothing wrong with illegal Mexicans. They are taking jobs nobody wants. And they do pay taxes, every time they buy something or when they fill their tanks with gas. The income tax that they don't pay is insignificant considering the wages they receive. Those taxes are supposed to be deducted by the employers, anyway. We need to send home the illegal Canadians, who are taking the high paying Corporate jobs, and the Indians who have invaded the technology industry both of whom are shipping dollars out of the country in large amounts. The Latinos? By the time the are done paying for basics, there are few enough dollars left for exporting.

hey, come off it.

The 'I buy things, pay sales tax and thus contribute' argument is only useable for farangs who move to Thailand sight unseen, show proof of an anemic pension/SS cheque, and then argue that without them the country would fall to bits.

Its not as if they are Mexican who are working and producing something that the locals need.

[Nobb]

In the USA there is freedom of speech. If the Hispanics do not like it and just come to Thailand and see what life is all about to coming into a country with out visa and just sneaking across the border. In Thailand you get no free medical or get put on social security. The poor people would change locations with you any time you would want! The man has a right to speak and maybe not give unwelcome aliens every thing and take away from the true citizens and tax payer and the people who have paid Social Security all there live to have it drained by a people who want every thing but give nothing!

[spidermike007]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

You may have missed the part about illegal Mexican immigrants. If a person wants to come to America through legal immigration then good on them. It is "ridiculous" to support or encourage illegal immigration. The majority of people crossing America's borders illegally tend not to be the creme of the crop.

The incredibly important point you are missing here, and the area that is at the very crux of this debate, is that our immigration policy is completely broken. Completely. Nuclear scientists cannot get work visas, to work for multi-nationals in the US, due to the quota system, which is outdated, and inappropriate. We should be willing to take as many people as possible that fit your "cream of the crop" description. But, we can't due to a broken system. Illegal immigrants do a lot of the work that Americans won't. If the demand was not there, they would not risk their lives crossing the border. For a person like that to come to the US through legal immigration, is near impossible. Please read up on this very important subject, before repeating Fox news mottos. They are NOT based on truth, nor the reality on the ground.

Unauthorized immigrants comprise a major portion of the U.S. civilian labor force.

Pew Research Hispanic Center

Close to 25 percent of farm workers, 19 percent of maintenance workers and 17 percent of construction workers were unauthorized immigrants in 2008.

Pew Research Hispanic Center

And in 2008, 8 percent of births in the U.S. were children with unauthorized immigrant parents. 24 percent were from immigrants of any legal status.

Pew Hispanic Research Center

That is who is already here. But one major question with immigration reform is how to deal with the porous border?

Jonathan Gibby/Getty Images

The Border Control's budget has been rising rapidly.

Walter Hickey/BI, Data from Border Control

However, the reported number of annual apprehensions carried out by the Border Control has been decreasing steadily.

Walter Hickey/BI, data from Border COntrol

As a result, the cost per apprehension has skyrocketed from $238 per apprehension in 1990 to $10,431 per apprehension in 2011.

Walter Hickey/BI, Data from Border Control

Border Control Budget, Apprehension

The number of immigrants held in Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facilities is on the rise, and was almost 450,000 people newly jailed in 2011 alone.

Walter Hickey/BI, Data from DHS

Data: DHS.gov

One issue is that it's become incredibly difficult for people to get residency in the United States, and even harder to become a naturalized citizen.

Flickr/SEIU International

Until the early 1990s, less than 3 percent of petitions for naturalization were denied annually. Since then, denials have become much more common.

Walter Hickey/BI, data from DHS

Petitions from people seeking to become naturalized citizens have been denied more often than ever in the past two decades, peaking in 2000.

Walter Hickey/BI, data from DHS

The vast majority of people who obtain permanent residency — "green cards" — are relatives of U.S. citizens. Since at most 7 percent of green cards can legally come from a single country, it's difficult for skilled professionals with no ties to the U.S. to get permanent residency

Walter Hickey/BI, data from DHS

As a result, the nation is having trouble getting high skilled workers into the U.S. The L-1B visa allows companies to bring people with "specialized knowledge" like engineers and programmers into the U.S. Denial rates have jumped since the 1990s.

National Foundation for American Policy

Requests for Evidence, which delay the L-1B application process, have also become the norm when in the past they were the exception.

National Foundation for American Policy

Suffering more than many other groups are specialists from India who see widespread visa petition denial because the nation produces a large volume of highly trained and educated specialists.

National Foundation for American Policy

These stats show how hard it is to develop a working solution to unauthorized immigration.

AP

See a Fascinating Presentation Showing Why The GOP Has To Embrace Immigration Reform >

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/immigration-data-charts-reform-illegal-2013-1?op=1#ixzz3euFV3Ugy

[Publicus]

A Trump classic of his idiocy as displayed on Letterman two years ago that is as fresh as Macy's expulsion of this week...

https://youtu.be/Ek8i9MroBZU?t=15

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?taxonomy=post_tag&term=campaign-2016

Edited July 4, 2015 by Publicus

[elgordo38]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Perhaps he's deliberately trying to saborage the other GOP candidates? After all he's an old friend of Hillary's and used to be a Democrat. He's doing a good job and hopefully he'll stay in the race for a while and make it intetesting and fun.

I am not an American or a Donald Trump fan. The rapist part was a stretch but in the end Mexicans are breaking the law by entering the USA illegally. The trickle has now turned into a torrent and well in their eyes they are only taking back what the Americans stole from them in last 150 years. They have Santa Ana to thank for that plus the American Mexican war. If you look at California you can see Mexican gangs proliferating and they do not make their money by selling hymn books. To give the devil his due Donald speaks from a refreshing no nonsense style straight from the hip. He comes out shooting from the hip not trying to sugar coat voters much like other candidates including Hillary. Maybe its time to tell voters how it is not how it should be. When looking back over my decades of life and elections politicians are ALL full of BS. Nothing has changed in my humble viewpoint only politicians have more money to play with to get elected. Just call me "Jeb" has vaulted into the lead because of the big money behind him. He just wants to become a third leg of a political dynasty of which 1 leg was a total disaster.

Edited July 4, 2015 by elgordo38

[Johnny S]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

Sounds like the muslim apologists in Europe when they go on a rape rampage only against White girls, call their female teachers prostitutes, rape their own daughters, nieces and sisters ... the list of atrocities are endless but many people are scared to death to be called "Racist" which is what these criminals call everyone that is not on their side - The PC people of Europe has sentenced EU to suicide and the muslim caliphate to take over ... F...... traitors ...

[thaibeachlovers]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

You have got sucked in by the anti Donalds. He was NOT complaining about LEGAL Mexican immigrants, only ILLEGAL ones.

It would be difficult for most GOP to criticise Donald as no doubt they believe he spoke the truth.

[thaibeachlovers]

Nothing wrong with illegal Mexicans. They are taking jobs nobody wants. And they do pay taxes, every time they buy something or when they fill their tanks with gas. The income tax that they don't pay is insignificant considering the wages they receive. Those taxes are supposed to be deducted by the employers, anyway. We need to send home the illegal Canadians, who are taking the high paying Corporate jobs, and the Indians who have invaded the technology industry both of whom are shipping dollars out of the country in large amounts. The Latinos? By the time the are done paying for basics, there are few enough dollars left for exporting.

More correctly they do jobs for such little money that no legal person would work for that amount. If the wages were higher the unemployed would do those jobs. Unfortunately, the filth 1 % don't want to pay decent wages as it would mean they didn't make as much money for their decadent lifestyle.

[samran]

In the USA there is freedom of speech. If the Hispanics do not like it and just come to Thailand and see what life is all about to coming into a country with out visa and just sneaking across the border. In Thailand you get no free medical or get put on social security. The poor people would change locations with you any time you would want! The man has a right to speak and maybe not give unwelcome aliens every thing and take away from the true citizens and tax payer and the people who have paid Social Security all there live to have it drained by a people who want every thing but give nothing!

Um, if a migrant crosses the border illegally from say Laos, Cambodia or Myanmar and start working, then the employer (Thai or foreign) can legalise their status once a year, usually around June.

They then get enrolled in a medical scheme and get access to labour protections. And they get an ID card which can allow them to open bank accounts etc and wire money home. And Thailand benefits from having a regularised migrant labour work force.

It is all very simple to do.

So a country, like Thailand, where you want them to see "what life is about" can put together a scheme like this, have it remain non political (especially given the Burmese are historical sworn enemies of the Thai's) and work to everyone's advantage.

Yet 'The Greatest Nation on Earth' can't figure it out.....

[samran]

Nothing wrong with illegal Mexicans. They are taking jobs nobody wants. And they do pay taxes, every time they buy something or when they fill their tanks with gas. The income tax that they don't pay is insignificant considering the wages they receive. Those taxes are supposed to be deducted by the employers, anyway. We need to send home the illegal Canadians, who are taking the high paying Corporate jobs, and the Indians who have invaded the technology industry both of whom are shipping dollars out of the country in large amounts. The Latinos? By the time the are done paying for basics, there are few enough dollars left for exporting.

More correctly they do jobs for such little money that no legal person would work for that amount. If the wages were higher the unemployed would do those jobs. Unfortunately, the filth 1 % don't want to pay decent wages as it would mean they didn't make as much money for their decadent lifestyle.

That would be unamerican.

The GOPers are already cheering on Scott Walker for busting unions, whos role is to argue for hire wages.....

[spidermike007]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

Sounds like the muslim apologists in Europe when they go on a rape rampage only against White girls, call their female teachers prostitutes, rape their own daughters, nieces and sisters ... the list of atrocities are endless but many people are scared to death to be called "Racist" which is what these criminals call everyone that is not on their side - The PC people of Europe has sentenced EU to suicide and the muslim caliphate to take over ... F...... traitors ...

I have a hard time drawing a comparison between honest, hard working Mexicans in the US, and criminal rapist gangs in the middle east and Europe. Just don't see where you are going with this. I am speaking from experience. I work with alot of these Hispanic folks in So. Cal. I know who alot of them are. And they are lovely people who have never committed a crime in their lives, other than ignoring a broken immigration policy. I have absolutely no issue with them coming into the US illegally. None. They contribute vastly to the well being of the US. The country would be a pale shadow of itself without them. Sorry, I rarely watch fox news and when I do, I treat it as comedy.

[spidermike007]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

You have got sucked in by the anti Donalds. He was NOT complaining about LEGAL Mexican immigrants, only ILLEGAL ones.

It would be difficult for most GOP to criticise Donald as no doubt they believe he spoke the truth.

The only way to be a legal Mexican immigrant is to be middle or upper class with alot of money to spend on attorneys and have alot of assets. So, silly man, most are illegal not because they choose to be. But rather due to a broken immigration policy. Disgusting Don is not addressing that. I don't even know who the anti Donalds are. I have always disliked him, and everything he is about. I can smell him all the way from Thailand. He stinks. And current immigration policy stinks.

[samran]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

Sounds like the muslim apologists in Europe when they go on a rape rampage only against White girls, call their female teachers prostitutes, rape their own daughters, nieces and sisters ... the list of atrocities are endless but many people are scared to death to be called "Racist" which is what these criminals call everyone that is not on their side - The PC people of Europe has sentenced EU to suicide and the muslim caliphate to take over ... F...... traitors ...

I have a hard time drawing a comparison between honest, hard working Mexicans in the US, and criminal rapist gangs in the middle east and Europe. Just don't see where you are going with this. I am speaking from experience. I work with alot of these Hispanic folks in So. Cal. I know who alot of them are. And they are lovely people who have never committed a crime in their lives, other than ignoring a broken immigration policy. I have absolutely no issue with them coming into the US illegally. None. They contribute vastly to the well being of the US. The country would be a pale shadow of itself without them. Sorry, I rarely watch fox news and when I do, I treat it as comedy.

I'm sure he's talking about those Muslo-Mexicans. You know, you have to watch out for those ones. Nasty critters

[spidermike007]

In the USA there is freedom of speech. If the Hispanics do not like it and just come to Thailand and see what life is all about to coming into a country with out visa and just sneaking across the border. In Thailand you get no free medical or get put on social security. The poor people would change locations with you any time you would want! The man has a right to speak and maybe not give unwelcome aliens every thing and take away from the true citizens and tax payer and the people who have paid Social Security all there live to have it drained by a people who want every thing but give nothing!

Um, if a migrant crosses the border illegally from say Laos, Cambodia or Myanmar and start working, then the employer (Thai or foreign) can legalise their status once a year, usually around June.

They then get enrolled in a medical scheme and get access to labour protections. And they get an ID card which can allow them to open bank accounts etc and wire money home. And Thailand benefits from having a regularised migrant labour work force.

It is all very simple to do.

So a country, like Thailand, where you want them to see "what life is about" can put together a scheme like this, have it remain non political (especially given the Burmese are historical sworn enemies of the Thai's) and work to everyone's advantage.

Yet 'The Greatest Nation on Earth' can't figure it out.....

All you said is correct, except the part about the greatest nation. They cannot figure out a reasonable immigration policy. And the best and the brightest are no longer coming there to work as the tiny quotas are full and have barely been adjusted in a generation. So, what does that leave us with? 10-20 years from now, it may be a nation of only landscapers, house cleaners, painters and dishwashers. It could have been something great. If the inferior minds of the congress and the senate did some productive immigration policy work. So far, it appears to be above their small minds.

[NickJ]

I would be very surprised if the next POTUS is a Republican. Way to many people dont want to give up there free stuff. To many people count on the Govt to support them.

[wabothai]

Spidermike, you just love the graphics, don't you?

[arjunadawn]

Finally there's a man that speaks up his mined and the truth, tell it the way it's really is,

Trump don't give a hoot for being PC madness (politically correct ) and a fake liberal just to

win votes, and yes, the Mexican in the US are a huge problem, on every imaginary level,

on the other hand, commerce will grind to a hold had not been for the Mexican's cheap labor....

Such ridiculous statements. Mexicans are a huge problem on every level? The extent to which Mexicans contribute to American society, and to its economy is vast. They contribute far more money than they take. Even a congressional budget study proved that. If you believe the hyperbole, you have been watching too much Fox news. Nearly all the illegal immigrants contribute cash they will never get back. Wake up please. America is a country of immigrants. There are millions of jobs Americans have no interest in doing. It reminds me of Thailand in a way. The Mexicans in the US are a bit like the Burmese here. They do work the locals do not want to do, and they do it better, with more sweat, less complaints, and more reliability than the locals. America would grind to a halt without immigrants. I have a real ax to grind against current immigration policy. When you make it ridiculously difficult for people from the third world to get work visas, you will have a lot of illegal immigration. The US is causing some of this problem.

And what despicable Donald said about the Mexicans is downright silly. He is a charicature of a man. How do you take a goon like that seriously? OK, he stold a lot of money, from unsuspecting partners over the years. A real accomplishment. It is much easier to become a billionaire if you have no concerns about the lines you cross in the process. He does not.

Well, the debate really needs to qualify itself. The issue is really illegals. Blurring the distinction has been a long term goal of illegal behavior apologists, but it is illegals- a population which every country on earth has a right, and does defend the host from. An argument could be made regarding the entire immigration policy regarding Latin America, but this is not my argument here. Immigration reform needs to take place but the issue with immigration of illegals is not that discussion. Illegal immigration (an oxymoron) is treason, plain and simple.

The US is causing a good deal more than some of this problem. The US is facilitating this problem in the same way government handouts instigate dependency. Give something for free... build it... and they will come. Well, that's the gist of my response to you. Illegals. Illegals absolutely take in more than they contribute. As one example, beside a single link provided, look at the Obama fast track poppycock whereby illegals then enabled to pay taxes... the stalking horse... would become taxpaying citizens. No person in their right mind believed this and of course it was not true. It amounted to a massive government redistribution of wealth into the hands of non Americans. Filing taxes for up to 5 years retro enabled all who never worked a day in the US to collect Earned Income Credit in the many thousands. Indeed, hundreds of billions are hemorrhaging because of illegals. Illegals most definitely are not coming to the US to take jobs significantly over the poverty line. By definition, these then would be the jobs Americans would presumably want. It is the jobs they do take where taxes are filed, but not paid. WIC, EIC, and other programs generously compensate for their poverty, which is in numerous cases, ostensibly, better than where they left. It is a net loss to Americans and a gain to illegals.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/confirmed-majority-of-illegal-immigrants-receive-government-welfare/

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

I will not belabor the issue with illegals and crime; it is indisputably epidemic and outrageously out of proportion to a given population, let alone an illegal population.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/30/illegal-immigrants-released-custody-committed-1000/

http://www.constitutionparty.com/illegal-alien-crime-and-violence-by-the-numbers-were-all-victims/

http://www.fairus.org/issue/examples-of-serious-crimes-of-illegal-aliens

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/03/01/texas-leaked-dps-report-confirms-crime-related-dangers-of-swiss-cheese-border/

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims_2.html

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-security-let-166000-criminal-illegal-immigrants-stay-in-u.s./article/2561916

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/07/04/trump-is-right-about-mexican-illegals-committing-crimes-n2021225

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/05/u-s-frees-36007-illegal-aliens-serious-criminal-convictions/

One can choose to ignore the data but one cannot effectively argue the data. Illegals are illegal are illegal. No nation can survive invasion, of any type. No equality in outcomes has ever resulted in a utopian society. No redistribution of wealth has ever achieved parity. Economic refugees has never been a legitimate reason to invade. American is strangled by stupidity, political correctness- the most insidious insult to rational faculties, and labeling and Balkanization. America has become a festering cesspool in the span of a few years. America has become "fundamentally transform[ed]."